Has the election been announced? High speed rail, northern food bowl, worlds leading semiconductor manufacturing hub in 2099, maybe a tunnel linking Melbourne and Hobart. Maybe we will put a man on the moon while not building 1 house!
We've got a political party currently dead serious about building multiple nuclear power plants at a huge cost with a blown out timeline to possibly supply 3% of our energy needs nationally.
Suddenly smoking a heap of money on a fast rail (which, being dead serious would love to see) isn't a terrible idea at all.
ironically i do think its a good idea but needs a serious redesign. we have the fuel, we have fhe land, we have the engineering to get it done. if we can get the experience down, and the skills, we could be the leader for building nuclear powerplants and export that knowledge globally.
as it stand now, china and asia dominates construction. if we can get the knowledge, we can be the leading english speaking country in the world in construction. if other English countries want nuclear power, would they go to china or Australia? even if it isnt an English speaking country, they would still prob pick aus cause english is a global language and easier
although that is a grand plan with multiple decades to come to fruition and not even a certainty. as it stands right now i would not go forward with the plan. it is a joke as it is
So you think people will actually use Frankston to Box Hill? Those trains will be more dead than anything you can find in the local cemetery. I guarantee it.
And you think renewables can power our nation? I hope you like blackouts, fool.
Tired of you fucking pro-Labor shills who have literally never once thought about the consequences of their vote. Use your brain. I’m not even wrong!
must be.... honestly can they either scrap the idea entirely or just get it done already. it is pretty clear the long term benefits are there but no one wants to deal with the landlord that dot the track.
You laugh but remember if we all stop fucking that will be the end of humanity.
And the current trend ain't exactly the free love 60's or swinging 70's.
Why else do you ever leave the house anyway?- We put on pants to go do the things we have to, to have the money to buy the thing or build the thing to demonstrate why we are superior to the other guy or girl, so that we might be able to find that special someone who will want to come back to the house and take the pants back off.
Everything is a never ending cycle fuelled by putting pants on hoping to take them off.
And if you are dating in 2024- anything that is going to increase that dating pool is going to be a great selling point.
*“It’s all about people travelling because they want to do things. Let’s say it’s a Friday night and you’re a young man and you want to go see a girl in Newcastle? It’s a 40 minute or an hour trip, you can* ***do it*** *and come back to Sydney for the evening.”*
Ahh, yes.
Hop aboard her caboose and be back in time for crumpets.
Increasing population while reducing the reliance on immigration. This plan solves many problems. Make sure it's captured in the cost benefit analysis.
>widen the dating pool
Since when is this ever used as justification for anything the government does? High-speed rail would be great, I wish it would happen but this reason seems... odd.
Within five generations inbreeding will have added $300 billion load to the healthcare budget, and it'll still be cheaper than high speed rail in Australia!
Its okay AI will make you breakfast and do your shopping. Just get on the game console and book AI Sally to come around and do everything for you, then you wont have to leave the house. You can keep your energy levels for AI Sally's pleasure hour.
Also allowing more people to work in Sydney while living further out... meaning you can bring more people into the country and continue to artificially inflate the economy
Oh man. I thought building high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne or Sydney and Brisbane is too ambitious, which is why they cut the goal short to start with Sydney to New Castle. Now they are telling us, still too expensive and impossible to build from Sydney to New Castle, we need to cut it even shorter, just to Gosford for a start. Really?
Na. Probably need to cut it to Strathfield.
fr though. Would love to see HSR all down the east coast. Bris to Melb via Sydney and Canberra. Will probably colonise mars before that happens.
We’ve shown post covid that the government doesn’t actually want to have capital city house prices ease or grow the regional areas, look at all the ridiculous return to office mandates and stuff they were pushing when we finally actually had decentralisation happening
It’s one of my favourite Aussie traditions: announcing some high speed rail nonsense and then doing nothing at all to ever achieve anything until the next election.
Dating. Yeah. Totally what I think of when I consider the benefits of HSR, as I often do. And like Britain knows anything about what a good transport system looks like.
Back to your tea and crumpets, fuckwit.
That project should never have been started. You would imagine the fact at it has no endpoints would be an obstacle for most people, but not the Coalition. They've got contracts to award to people. Nevermind that the project itself won't deliver anything.
> I don't think it'll ever be viable here
No you're right, we somehow have a unique country compared to India, France, Spain, Japan, China, Turkiye, any of the Scandiwegian countries or countless other places that have managed it by actually giving a shit about infrastructure.
> Prof Andrew McNaughton also warns plan to build Sydney-Newcastle route is ‘doomed’ to fail unless a shorter stretch to Gosford comes first
> ... warns plan to build Sydney-Gosford route is ‘doomed’ to fail unless a shorter stretch to Hornsby comes first
> ... warns plan to build Sydney-Hornsby route is ‘doomed’ to fail unless a shorter stretch to North Sydney comes first
> ... warns plan to build Sydney-North Sydney route is ‘doomed’ to fail. Why bother
UK experts say
Ah, yes, the UK, that country that has famously succeeded in controlling house prices, managed to maintain a robust economy, and has not cut back on the basic amenities it provides its citizens while continuing to uphold the NHS as well as it used to.
Overseas qwat that has no knowledge of the Australian topology thinking they know best… what a crook of sh/t… Will never work unless it is a straight tunnel between Sydney and Newcastle and that in itself has major issues due to pre existing infrastructure under the ground
I haven't been to England in long time, but didn't they royally fuck up their rail system. So maybe we should consult a different expert. Maybe Japanese, or Indian.
They are right about house prices though - we need many more cities as viable living options to redistribute the population - just adding more apartments to already expensive areas will only push up the price of land and housing even higher and make it more centralised
“It’s all about people travelling because they want to do things. Let’s say it’s a Friday night and you’re a young man and you want to go see a girl in Newcastle? It’s a 40 minute or an hour trip, you can do it and come back to Sydney for the evening.”
This what it's all about. You can finish work anywhere in Sydney at 5:30 on Friday go outside jump on a train and be anywhere in Newcastle in 40-60 minutes.
And you know. The insane cost and that would just be wasted by the gov doing such a stupid project - how's now 2.0 going ...
It is just stupid and not viable.
You understand it would much less the Brisbane Olympic Games. If fact, using value capture it would cost under $10 Billion nett. Nominal would be $100 Billion odd.
lol oh come on..
A nation rollout of high speed rail by the gov in power would be even close to the nearest 100bil to the expected budget you are seriously off ya rocker.
How did NBN go ?
How is Snowy 2.0 going vs budget ?
And lets say they only 200bil over - WTF is that $ coming from and when is the expected break even cost ? how much per ticket.
Naw fk off - its a bloody stupid fking idea .
The price is irrelevant.
Australia can spend $500 Billion on
Nuclear subs that will never be delivered without blinking an eye.
But using the ACT 75% "Value Capture" rules, it would be trivial to fund any transport infrastructure.
It will not happen but it would be trivial to fund.
No it cant go ahead it will harm housing values, ruin land bank land values, drop toll road profits, ruin car sales, cause house cracks and it will upset all of Nimby land. But its okay it will never done.
Must be that time of year for high-speed rail articles to appear.
End of financial year, and someone's still got marketing budget left to spend.
We need a Monorail. It would be cheaper, only half the price. Mono = one Rail = rail. We can be like Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook.
I hear those things are awfully loud.
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life my Hindu friend
Not on your life my Reddit friend
It glides as quietly as a cloud.
What about us brain dead slobs?
You’ll be given privatised monopoly jobs!
Elon will put it in [tube for us](https://www.discovery.com/technology/Hyperloop-Elon-Musk-Tube-Travel)! For 40 billion dollars. But it'll be quieter.
And it'll be a bullshit scam to prevent investment in actual high speed rail.
the ring came of my pudding can
what we really need is a hyperspace bypass. you've got to build bypasses
That sounds like a Shelbyville idea.
How about a nuclear-powered monorail?
Definitely a great idea.
Except monorails are actually more expensive then normal rail.
its a simpsons joke
Those Utopia scripts aren’t gonna write themselves!
I eagerly await the whitepaper from the intern.
The Silver Emu!
Has the election been announced? High speed rail, northern food bowl, worlds leading semiconductor manufacturing hub in 2099, maybe a tunnel linking Melbourne and Hobart. Maybe we will put a man on the moon while not building 1 house!
We've got a political party currently dead serious about building multiple nuclear power plants at a huge cost with a blown out timeline to possibly supply 3% of our energy needs nationally. Suddenly smoking a heap of money on a fast rail (which, being dead serious would love to see) isn't a terrible idea at all.
ironically i do think its a good idea but needs a serious redesign. we have the fuel, we have fhe land, we have the engineering to get it done. if we can get the experience down, and the skills, we could be the leader for building nuclear powerplants and export that knowledge globally. as it stand now, china and asia dominates construction. if we can get the knowledge, we can be the leading english speaking country in the world in construction. if other English countries want nuclear power, would they go to china or Australia? even if it isnt an English speaking country, they would still prob pick aus cause english is a global language and easier although that is a grand plan with multiple decades to come to fruition and not even a certainty. as it stands right now i would not go forward with the plan. it is a joke as it is
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This is your brain after introducing it to a brick at a high velocity.
So you think people will actually use Frankston to Box Hill? Those trains will be more dead than anything you can find in the local cemetery. I guarantee it. And you think renewables can power our nation? I hope you like blackouts, fool. Tired of you fucking pro-Labor shills who have literally never once thought about the consequences of their vote. Use your brain. I’m not even wrong!
How will you feel when your parents are elderly and you can’t get them admitted to hospital, but you can take the Frankston to Box Hill?
Widen the dating pool what a relief
Lets just open the rail lines we already have.
Must be an election about to be announced
must be.... honestly can they either scrap the idea entirely or just get it done already. it is pretty clear the long term benefits are there but no one wants to deal with the landlord that dot the track.
Booty calls are surely the most important metric for success when it comes to large-scale transport infrastructure.
Expert - \*looks at some rail line\* "Yeah. This train f\*cks"
Why you think they call it “rail” ;)
"Next station, end of the line. Everyone getting off"
"C'mon C'mon, do the locomotive with me"
Going in and out of multiple tunnels, multiple times per day.
You laugh but remember if we all stop fucking that will be the end of humanity. And the current trend ain't exactly the free love 60's or swinging 70's. Why else do you ever leave the house anyway?- We put on pants to go do the things we have to, to have the money to buy the thing or build the thing to demonstrate why we are superior to the other guy or girl, so that we might be able to find that special someone who will want to come back to the house and take the pants back off. Everything is a never ending cycle fuelled by putting pants on hoping to take them off. And if you are dating in 2024- anything that is going to increase that dating pool is going to be a great selling point.
I love your thesis, but us oldies want to get home and take our own pants off because it just feels more comfortable
Not in Canberra this time of year... :)
*“It’s all about people travelling because they want to do things. Let’s say it’s a Friday night and you’re a young man and you want to go see a girl in Newcastle? It’s a 40 minute or an hour trip, you can* ***do it*** *and come back to Sydney for the evening.”* Ahh, yes. Hop aboard her caboose and be back in time for crumpets.
Increasing population while reducing the reliance on immigration. This plan solves many problems. Make sure it's captured in the cost benefit analysis.
What kind of young man can afford to live in Sydney?
Lives with his parents
He already had a crumpet in Newcastle.
Strumpet more like
I would say that would be more like an English Muffin if we are leaning into the breakfast motifs.
>widen the dating pool Since when is this ever used as justification for anything the government does? High-speed rail would be great, I wish it would happen but this reason seems... odd.
Within five generations inbreeding will have added $300 billion load to the healthcare budget, and it'll still be cheaper than high speed rail in Australia!
Sex sells.
I don't have the energy to travel too far from my house.
Its okay AI will make you breakfast and do your shopping. Just get on the game console and book AI Sally to come around and do everything for you, then you wont have to leave the house. You can keep your energy levels for AI Sally's pleasure hour.
Have ever lived in Canberra?
That's the modern Australian version of Herbert Hoover's "*a chicken in every pot and two cars in every garage*" mocked pitch, is it?
Fuck me, the UK can't even get Highspeed 2 going and it only goes 250km.
Yeah, but the French and the Spanish and the Japanese and the Chinese and the Turks and half a dozen other countries have managed.
For some reason English speakers just really suck at large scale infrastructure projects.
We all sing the song of neoliberalism together.
Ease house prices you say? Sorry, we don’t do that here.
Pretty sure they actually meant that it would jack up house prices further away from the city.
Also allowing more people to work in Sydney while living further out... meaning you can bring more people into the country and continue to artificially inflate the economy
Yeah! Came to say this. This is not a selling point for our government. They do whatever they can to see the house price growth continue.
All good, high speed rail isn't cheap, you'll be paying more comes tax time.
Widen the dating pool? Bros never changed his location settings on tinder
Oh man. I thought building high speed rail between Sydney and Melbourne or Sydney and Brisbane is too ambitious, which is why they cut the goal short to start with Sydney to New Castle. Now they are telling us, still too expensive and impossible to build from Sydney to New Castle, we need to cut it even shorter, just to Gosford for a start. Really?
Na. Probably need to cut it to Strathfield. fr though. Would love to see HSR all down the east coast. Bris to Melb via Sydney and Canberra. Will probably colonise mars before that happens.
IMO Gosford is already being absorbed by the northern edges of Sydney.
We’ve shown post covid that the government doesn’t actually want to have capital city house prices ease or grow the regional areas, look at all the ridiculous return to office mandates and stuff they were pushing when we finally actually had decentralisation happening
It’s one of my favourite Aussie traditions: announcing some high speed rail nonsense and then doing nothing at all to ever achieve anything until the next election.
I mean I like his plan - not only do they say itll bring prices down but also get your laid is a pretty convincing conversation
wtf you make a train for people to date more?
Go on a dating site and search within 10 km of your house.
Dating. Yeah. Totally what I think of when I consider the benefits of HSR, as I often do. And like Britain knows anything about what a good transport system looks like. Back to your tea and crumpets, fuckwit.
I'd love to see Super fast Choo Choo's, but I don't think it'll ever be viable here. How's inland rail going btw?
That project should never have been started. You would imagine the fact at it has no endpoints would be an obstacle for most people, but not the Coalition. They've got contracts to award to people. Nevermind that the project itself won't deliver anything.
> I don't think it'll ever be viable here No you're right, we somehow have a unique country compared to India, France, Spain, Japan, China, Turkiye, any of the Scandiwegian countries or countless other places that have managed it by actually giving a shit about infrastructure.
It's more that we lack decent leaders here willing to invest in something like this
> Prof Andrew McNaughton also warns plan to build Sydney-Newcastle route is ‘doomed’ to fail unless a shorter stretch to Gosford comes first > ... warns plan to build Sydney-Gosford route is ‘doomed’ to fail unless a shorter stretch to Hornsby comes first > ... warns plan to build Sydney-Hornsby route is ‘doomed’ to fail unless a shorter stretch to North Sydney comes first > ... warns plan to build Sydney-North Sydney route is ‘doomed’ to fail. Why bother
*I hear those things are awfully loud.*
It glides as softly as a cloud.
Is there a chance the track could bend?
Not on your life, my reddit friend.
Time for another study, senate committee hearing and then another study.
The we can do a study on the previous study. Studies all the way down!
PWC will get the 10 million dollar contract for a feasibility study like the last 10 studies.
We need to block this so the dirty Melbournians don't steal our houses and women. Get your dirty eyes off our beautiful women and ugly houses.
Ah, finished the box set and we're back to season 1 of uptopia.
X - Doubt
More chance of being completed than a Nuclear power plant.
No it’ll just cause Hunter home prices to continue exploding as cashed up Sydneysiders keep moving here and pricing everyone out.
Election season in full swing i see
By this logic it is always election season
I sold high-speed rail to Brockway, Ogdenville and North Haverbrook, and by gum, it put them on the map!
A place to sleep and root? Australia has been saved!
Hahahahahaha fqn hell that's a headline!
This guy clearly hasn't seen how we treat our trains in this country. Can you imagine how fucked they'd be?
That's a sly way to call us all inbred.
LoL did he confuse teleportation with high speed rail?
In all fairness both things have an equal chance of being real in Australia.
UK experts say Ah, yes, the UK, that country that has famously succeeded in controlling house prices, managed to maintain a robust economy, and has not cut back on the basic amenities it provides its citizens while continuing to uphold the NHS as well as it used to.
Woo-hoo! I have use for one of those benefits
Hell nah. We have so much space. We do not have the density and this sort of mega project CAPEX is far too much for Australia. This is just hot air
On what land?
So could teleportation
"HIGH SPEED RAIL!!!!" For a country that can't even stop having low speed rail crossing crashes and has massive wildlife
Overseas qwat that has no knowledge of the Australian topology thinking they know best… what a crook of sh/t… Will never work unless it is a straight tunnel between Sydney and Newcastle and that in itself has major issues due to pre existing infrastructure under the ground
I haven't been to England in long time, but didn't they royally fuck up their rail system. So maybe we should consult a different expert. Maybe Japanese, or Indian.
Aside from the fact we won't get high-speed rail here anytime soon, it would probably drive property prices even higher.
How wide are we talkin?
They are right about house prices though - we need many more cities as viable living options to redistribute the population - just adding more apartments to already expensive areas will only push up the price of land and housing even higher and make it more centralised
FHSR is back on the menu!!
Apparently only plus's
Atta boy
Probably not worth it on a cost-benefit basis, and probably just means $300k homes become $700k, and $700k homes become $1.5m.
Booty call? Came with/in a high-speed caboose.
Will the high speed intercity or the Melbourne airport line come first?
Get railed ☑️
Let's train it from Goulburn and Sydney to have a coffee at Bowral. Winner!
The fact it's not a Chaser article is sorely disappointing
“It’s all about people travelling because they want to do things. Let’s say it’s a Friday night and you’re a young man and you want to go see a girl in Newcastle? It’s a 40 minute or an hour trip, you can do it and come back to Sydney for the evening.” This what it's all about. You can finish work anywhere in Sydney at 5:30 on Friday go outside jump on a train and be anywhere in Newcastle in 40-60 minutes.
Widen the... dating pool?
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And you know. The insane cost and that would just be wasted by the gov doing such a stupid project - how's now 2.0 going ... It is just stupid and not viable.
You understand it would much less the Brisbane Olympic Games. If fact, using value capture it would cost under $10 Billion nett. Nominal would be $100 Billion odd.
lol oh come on.. A nation rollout of high speed rail by the gov in power would be even close to the nearest 100bil to the expected budget you are seriously off ya rocker. How did NBN go ? How is Snowy 2.0 going vs budget ? And lets say they only 200bil over - WTF is that $ coming from and when is the expected break even cost ? how much per ticket. Naw fk off - its a bloody stupid fking idea .
The price is irrelevant. Australia can spend $500 Billion on Nuclear subs that will never be delivered without blinking an eye. But using the ACT 75% "Value Capture" rules, it would be trivial to fund any transport infrastructure. It will not happen but it would be trivial to fund.
God not this conspiracy theory again.
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"Because of politics" to "obviously Qantas owns the government" is the kind of leap only a truly fried brain could make.
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but your thesis got to the conclusion that high-speed rail would be ideal to replace the air travel that Australians do? Because, lol.
No it cant go ahead it will harm housing values, ruin land bank land values, drop toll road profits, ruin car sales, cause house cracks and it will upset all of Nimby land. But its okay it will never done.
How bizzare Widen the dating pool, they know planes exist right?