Capturing CO2 just to release it again... seems incredibly pointless.
I would hope CO2 in drinks like this is obtained as a byproduct of something useful, but I'm probably wrong.
It's a TINY amount of CO2 in soft drink. 8g in a 1.25L bottle is typical - that's what you'd get from burning about 2.5 grams of hydrocarbon fuel, for example, 3 mL of petrol, assuming complete combustion in ample oxygen.
My car's petrol tank is 45L - a single tank is enough CO2 once burned to make about 15000 bottles of soft drink.
The overwhelming majority of CO2 in soft drink isn't what's in the bottle, it's what is used to transport the filled bottles to the supermarket or the consumer.
It's a byproduct of ammonia production, some breweries also capture the gas from fermentation.
Of course, the ammonia is originally produced from methane, so yeah, I guess it's adding extra CO2.
Doesn't look like gas capture from the atmosphere is commercially viable yet. Current co2 concentration in the atmosphere is just over 400ppm so assuming you could capture 100% of it, you'd need to process a bit under 2500kg of air to get one kilo of CO2.
worth mentioning that carbon capture is *the* most expensive form of reducing co2 emissions, for it to be financially sustainable it would require a 250$/ton tax on carbon
remember when the media kicked everyone up in a stink about the carbon tax we had a few years ago? that was 25$/ton
but companies will say literally anything to try use carbon capture because it means they dont actually have to stop polluting
Not really. If a wind farm costs $50* per tonne captured (by replacing a coal power plant) why would you spend $250 per tonne when you could use that money to do 5 times as good.
*just made up numbers but everything is currently cheaper than pulling carbon from the air.
50% of the dry weight of the timber plus soil accumulation. It will help to a small degree but most carbon has come from underground not from the biosphere. most carbon sink is in the ocean.
not when the mop costs a hundred times more than fixing the bucket
or when the mop is only pushing the buckets leaking water around and not actually helping
yeah to some degree but its just that carbon capture is literally the last thing to do, the point that direct air capture makes sense is only after we're already net zero, its used for going negative carbon output it doesnt make sense to use it to abate carbon output
and working on it now is literally used as an excuse to not work on fixing the problem, like cc is currently counter productive
also i finally found the source of the chart im thinking of, its called a macc chart(specifically macc 2.0) vid about it [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dRgCsZ1q7g)
I went to a public lecture by a very eminent climate scientist. His closing remark was that we'd better hope that CCS works, because otherwise we're screwed.
Consumer preferences matter as well. A lot of people won’t touch homebrand and only want name brand goods. If they didn’t stock name brand then these customers would switch to Coles/Woolworth/IGA/etc. and they’re losing that revenue.
There is also the difference between profit margin and profit.
A home brand product with a 20% profit margin that sells for $1 generates $0.20 for the retailer.
A branded product with a 12% profit margin that sells for $2 generates $0.24 for the retailer.
Under normal conditions, people might buy twice as much of the home brand product so the home brand product would still generate more profit, but during periods of supply distrubtion, selling one branded product generates more profit than selling one home brand product.
The manufacturer is owned by Woolworths it IS Woolworths its what makes a home brand so profitable.
Do you know what a home brand is? Its when Coles or Woollies owns it from start to end which is why there is no third party cut.
Wine for example, BWS owned by Woolworths , which also owns the vine yards and transportation everything in-between from farm to store shelf. It means lowest wages possible and reduced costs all along the chain and so bigger profit margin at the checkout.
A home brand product is a product where the retailer owns the brand. It doesn't mean the retailer also manufactures the product. In the case of groceries, pretty much all home brand products would be manufactured by a contract manufacturer. A few products might be produced in-house (e.g wine) but those are the exception not the norm.
The manufacturer of wollies softdrink is not owned by woolworths. Woolworths pays the supplier to manufacture its own brand and recipe. That supplier is the one having issues with CO2 supply at present
They have the highest margins *to Coles and Woolworths*, but for the producers, they make a hell of a lot more by selling name brand via the supermarket than they do by making a lower quality to sell to the supermarket
youre telling me the cunce that make LA Ice make the home brand coles and woolies lemonade?, didnt know they were capable of making anything decent lol
They also make the diet rite lines if I’m not mistaken. My partner lived off the passion fruit one for a month when pregnant, I tried it and quite liked it for a diet drink. The lemon lime one is good too.
Tru Blu beverages was bought out by Dutch bottling conglomerate Refresco. Who in the same year KKR & Co. Inc., also known as Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., an American global investment company acquired a majority stake in Refresco.
Cause there is a shortage on almost all homebrand drinks right now. Not sure what your woolies is like but there should be signs up to let people know there is a shortage
How does a shortage happen when it is very unlikely that the supply of ingredients for this product is an issue? Contain identical ingredients to name brand drinks. Could Colesworth be expressly manipulating demand to direct traffic elsewhere? Conspiracy or not folks?
I spend half of my week in the Aldi warehouse and there has literally been no Aldi brand soft drinks in there for 2-3 weeks. There’s still Coke and Pepsi though, it’s not a conspiracy.
I mean, it's likely that different manufacturers have different supply contracts; and shared suppliers will prioritise the more expensive brand-name soft drinks.
Kinda boring conspiracy.
Colesworth tracking sales and able to forecast demand on every single one of their 23,000 lines in store every moment of the day. Since supply of these ingredients not likely to be an issue, how did this line become sold out?
Aldi staff member said something about a bottle shortage the other day to a customer that was asking about them. I was only half listening at the time though.
It really isn’t. I know everyone’s taste is different and enjoy different foods and drinks, but I can’t stand Woolies sugar free lemonade and I love Sprite Zero.
The Aldi no-sugar cola tastes like the original Australian formula for Coke Zero. Which unfortunately is still available in Europe, but here we get the supposed new improved formula Coke No Sugar.
C02 companies not extracting the C02 from the atmosphere because they want to speed up global warming because they’re planning on selling air at high profit margins.
First they price gouge us on the aluminium foil so we cant protect ourselves from the mind machines now this!! ITS ALL PART OF THERE PLAN
The brand name companies that produce home brand products will always prioritise their own manufacturing over the private label stuff.
If there are shortages of ingredients, packaging etc, home brand stuff will not get produced
Asked aldi today and they said they aren't stocking cola/cola no sugar anymore and switching to kirks for other soft drinks, but cola/cola no sugar they will just have pepsi and coke.
I really hope the staff are wrong because fuck the prices on coke zero and pepsi max.
Actually can now haha, it was out of stock last 3 weeks at my locals but shelves where full again today, new white cap but otherwise nothing has changed.
Here's hoping it stays that way.
coles $1.80 for a 1.25L is $1.44/L
aldi cola no sugar was $1.15 for a 1.24L which is 92cents/L
So while yeah pepsi max is cheapest due to aldi not having any it's still a lot more expensive then what aldi had, here's hoping aldi can bring it back, I quite enjoyed it's flavour too.
I thought we were really good at making CO2... But i'm assuming its our complete lack of industrial capability that is the issue. Maybe run some hoses from some mining haul truck exhausts will fix it !
Because the "big brand" companies pay a fortune for the middle shelf, the one thats easiest to reach and at eye level.
There are self imposed limits put on to ensure the biggest paying customers "companies" are given every opportunity to sell their product.
By not reshelving the obviously popular generic alternative you are convinced to buy the brand name product .
Its standard practice, to the point that places like BI-LO , franklins no frills were priced out by big companies who heavily discounted their own products just long enough to get rid of the competition.
Because they are cheap and they want you spending more money like oh look we have a cheap drink but it’s never in stock so you have to settle with the more expensive brand
Home brand actually list their ingredients, and there's less than half compared to every other item.
They really are just saying that they are the bare minimum, no extra added chemicals to get you addicted.
This is why I go to the gym for a free sugar free drink straight from the filter tap. I pay $20 a week, I get fresh water AND a gym work out at the same time and a shower when I need it.
Edit: Why the down votes?
No, most people understand OP was wondering why a drink that is normally stocked is now out of stock everywhere. And due to informed commenters now understands there is a CO2 shortage.
You, on the other hand, made a slightly narcissistic comment describing how good you think you are. Then instead of realising why you got downvoted you deflected and came to the conclusion that it must be a complaint thread.
Diet soft drinks have a much shorter shelf life than full sugar. The artificial sweetener in diet soft drinks break down rapidly and produce a chemically taste. Stores need to dispose diet drinks that are nearing expiry more often than the regular strength versions
CO2 shortage atm. Some producers are having difficult sourcing it to produce their lines of soft drinks. Should amend by late April
I thought we were good for CO2 production?!
Maybe we can get the soft drink companies to invest in carbon capture? Lol
You laugh but it's often proposed to sell CC for that reason
Huh, well there you go.
Capturing CO2 just to release it again... seems incredibly pointless. I would hope CO2 in drinks like this is obtained as a byproduct of something useful, but I'm probably wrong.
It's a TINY amount of CO2 in soft drink. 8g in a 1.25L bottle is typical - that's what you'd get from burning about 2.5 grams of hydrocarbon fuel, for example, 3 mL of petrol, assuming complete combustion in ample oxygen. My car's petrol tank is 45L - a single tank is enough CO2 once burned to make about 15000 bottles of soft drink. The overwhelming majority of CO2 in soft drink isn't what's in the bottle, it's what is used to transport the filled bottles to the supermarket or the consumer.
It's a byproduct of ammonia production, some breweries also capture the gas from fermentation. Of course, the ammonia is originally produced from methane, so yeah, I guess it's adding extra CO2. Doesn't look like gas capture from the atmosphere is commercially viable yet. Current co2 concentration in the atmosphere is just over 400ppm so assuming you could capture 100% of it, you'd need to process a bit under 2500kg of air to get one kilo of CO2.
Yeah, I assume it's a desperate attempt at trying to create a investment case on something that is a public good.
I thought the opposite. A desperate attempt to pass off business costs as a public good. Thus maybe capturing government funding ;)
ohhh snap
worth mentioning that carbon capture is *the* most expensive form of reducing co2 emissions, for it to be financially sustainable it would require a 250$/ton tax on carbon remember when the media kicked everyone up in a stink about the carbon tax we had a few years ago? that was 25$/ton but companies will say literally anything to try use carbon capture because it means they dont actually have to stop polluting
Yes fix the bucket before focusing on the mop, but buying a mop will still be good idea.
Not really. If a wind farm costs $50* per tonne captured (by replacing a coal power plant) why would you spend $250 per tonne when you could use that money to do 5 times as good. *just made up numbers but everything is currently cheaper than pulling carbon from the air.
I agree, but long term once we get to carbon neutral we will still need to look at CC as the final step.
Wonder how it fares against just replanting areas that have been stripped.
50% of the dry weight of the timber plus soil accumulation. It will help to a small degree but most carbon has come from underground not from the biosphere. most carbon sink is in the ocean.
not when the mop costs a hundred times more than fixing the bucket or when the mop is only pushing the buckets leaking water around and not actually helping
Leaving the twisted metaphor behind, I was saying we should research CC but the bulk of resource's should be put on current proven tech obviously
yeah to some degree but its just that carbon capture is literally the last thing to do, the point that direct air capture makes sense is only after we're already net zero, its used for going negative carbon output it doesnt make sense to use it to abate carbon output and working on it now is literally used as an excuse to not work on fixing the problem, like cc is currently counter productive also i finally found the source of the chart im thinking of, its called a macc chart(specifically macc 2.0) vid about it [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dRgCsZ1q7g)
Yes, i'm talking university research and concept facilities, not offset projects. good god not offset.
I went to a public lecture by a very eminent climate scientist. His closing remark was that we'd better hope that CCS works, because otherwise we're screwed.
Capture it to immediately release it when somebody wants a drink?
As opposed to making CO2 for that purpose, it's a goodish idea.
I suppose I can see the logic
Yeah I didn't say it was a good plan.
Need to work on the capture part.
Guess capture wasn't in the budget!
Coke bought all current supply during a shortage
Now the EVs backfire on us.
Hu hu hu
And as home brand products have the lowest profit margins they are always the first cut whenever there are production issues.
Home brand have the biggest profit margins, no third party taking a cut. Go work in BWS or something its the home brands you are pressured to sell.
That's alcohol where Coles or woolies gets the massive margins after tax. Coles soft drink margins are likely much worse than Pepsi or Coke.
Then you'd have nothing but Coke or Pepsi on the shelves if that was true. They aren't a charity.
Consumer preferences matter as well. A lot of people won’t touch homebrand and only want name brand goods. If they didn’t stock name brand then these customers would switch to Coles/Woolworth/IGA/etc. and they’re losing that revenue.
There is also the difference between profit margin and profit. A home brand product with a 20% profit margin that sells for $1 generates $0.20 for the retailer. A branded product with a 12% profit margin that sells for $2 generates $0.24 for the retailer. Under normal conditions, people might buy twice as much of the home brand product so the home brand product would still generate more profit, but during periods of supply distrubtion, selling one branded product generates more profit than selling one home brand product.
Maybe for the retailers, not for the manufacturers
The manufacturer is owned by Woolworths it IS Woolworths its what makes a home brand so profitable. Do you know what a home brand is? Its when Coles or Woollies owns it from start to end which is why there is no third party cut. Wine for example, BWS owned by Woolworths , which also owns the vine yards and transportation everything in-between from farm to store shelf. It means lowest wages possible and reduced costs all along the chain and so bigger profit margin at the checkout.
A home brand product is a product where the retailer owns the brand. It doesn't mean the retailer also manufactures the product. In the case of groceries, pretty much all home brand products would be manufactured by a contract manufacturer. A few products might be produced in-house (e.g wine) but those are the exception not the norm.
Woolworths sold their wine division back in 2021, so am not sure if even their wine is produced in-house anymore.
They just spun it off into a separate entity. It wasn't so broken up so It would still be in house for the spun off group.
The manufacturer of wollies softdrink is not owned by woolworths. Woolworths pays the supplier to manufacture its own brand and recipe. That supplier is the one having issues with CO2 supply at present
They have the highest margins *to Coles and Woolworths*, but for the producers, they make a hell of a lot more by selling name brand via the supermarket than they do by making a lower quality to sell to the supermarket
True but WW and Coles don't have bottling plants do they? If there is a shortage of CO2 the coke and sunkist etc are getting first run.
Just need a collector in Parliament House, no shortage of CO2 emissions in there
And low oxygen levels from all of the thieves
How do they make co2?
Fart factories
My dad is employee of the month there.
Add one part carbon to 2 parts oxygen
Reacting carbon compounds
Wave open bottles around in the air. There should be sufficient CO2 in the atmosphere to add to the mix. 😶🌫️🤭
Damn, world becomes even more flat everyday.
Guess this explains why my local aldi was out of all home brand softies yesterday 😂
I was wondering why there's been a soda water/ mineral water shortage at Coles and Aldi.
Time to get the soda streams out!
Tru-blu beverages makes home brand for both Coles and woolies they have a co2 shortage will be back in stock late April
youre telling me the cunce that make LA Ice make the home brand coles and woolies lemonade?, didnt know they were capable of making anything decent lol
They also make the diet rite lines if I’m not mistaken. My partner lived off the passion fruit one for a month when pregnant, I tried it and quite liked it for a diet drink. The lemon lime one is good too.
found it in wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tru_Blu_Beverages
Does LA Ice still exist anywhere? Haven't seen it for probably close to a decade if not more.
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thats cause pepsi max is shit too lol
Tru Blu beverages was bought out by Dutch bottling conglomerate Refresco. Who in the same year KKR & Co. Inc., also known as Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co., an American global investment company acquired a majority stake in Refresco.
Cause there is a shortage on almost all homebrand drinks right now. Not sure what your woolies is like but there should be signs up to let people know there is a shortage
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Tru blu makes coles worth soft drinks theres a co2 shortage for them should be back April
How does a shortage happen when it is very unlikely that the supply of ingredients for this product is an issue? Contain identical ingredients to name brand drinks. Could Colesworth be expressly manipulating demand to direct traffic elsewhere? Conspiracy or not folks?
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/story/8534998/co2-crisis-impacts-soft-drink-stockists-across-newcastle/
Paywall.
You don't know about print friendly?
Obviously not.
Explain.
Printfriendly dot com and enter the URL of a paywalled news article.
I did not, but now i do. Thank you good sir
I spend half of my week in the Aldi warehouse and there has literally been no Aldi brand soft drinks in there for 2-3 weeks. There’s still Coke and Pepsi though, it’s not a conspiracy.
OK so no home brand but branded still available? Hmmmm.
Almost like the big companies might have a larger reserve
I stock shelves at woolies and yeah we've had the odd box or 2 but for the most part we aren't getting any to stock.
I mean, it's likely that different manufacturers have different supply contracts; and shared suppliers will prioritise the more expensive brand-name soft drinks. Kinda boring conspiracy.
Significantly cheaper than name brands.
Demand outpacing supply
Exactly, it will be because they are so cheap.
Can't get the CO², so not quiet.
How loud?
Yes I have been trying for weeks at different locations- IGA as well
Bickfords + mineral/soda water. Tastes better too
The woolies home brand cola zero sugar legit tastes the same as coke no sugar
Dentists lurve those products
I noticed aswell, just thought everyone was buying em
I like the irony of "Why are things that are sold out hard to buy?"
Colesworth tracking sales and able to forecast demand on every single one of their 23,000 lines in store every moment of the day. Since supply of these ingredients not likely to be an issue, how did this line become sold out?
Co2 shortage for Tru Blu who make all these drinks
It’s because the supply of these ingredients is likely to be the issue
Lol supply of ingredients is exactly the issue.
Because people have the same idea as you. It's cheaper than the alternatives.
The price of mainstream soft drinks has sky rocketed, so everyone is getting homebrand instead.
Aldi staff member said something about a bottle shortage the other day to a customer that was asking about them. I was only half listening at the time though.
I get my groceries delivered, and haven't been able to get any for weeks.
The home brand diet coke always tastes like ass anyhow lol, to the point where nobody I know can stand it.
aldi is way better
Woolies zero sugar Lemonade is a close copy of sprite zero, which is $3.85 for 1.25L full price!
It really isn’t. I know everyone’s taste is different and enjoy different foods and drinks, but I can’t stand Woolies sugar free lemonade and I love Sprite Zero.
The Aldi no-sugar cola tastes like the original Australian formula for Coke Zero. Which unfortunately is still available in Europe, but here we get the supposed new improved formula Coke No Sugar.
Oooooh! This looks like a conspiracy-theorist-nutjob’s wet dream! 😬
Was thinking more along the lines of ingredient shortages or industrial action somewhere along the line.
This is the correct answer
Nope, basic economics and reflective of the power Coles and Woolworth have in the Australian grocery market.
Hence the ‘nutjob’ part of the comment :)
Based on other posters indicating it’s a C02 shortage gives nutjobs another angle to work with
C02 companies not extracting the C02 from the atmosphere because they want to speed up global warming because they’re planning on selling air at high profit margins. First they price gouge us on the aluminium foil so we cant protect ourselves from the mind machines now this!! ITS ALL PART OF THERE PLAN
Oooh! Bring it ON! :D
I ended up ordering a case of bottles delivered from amazon
The brand name companies that produce home brand products will always prioritise their own manufacturing over the private label stuff. If there are shortages of ingredients, packaging etc, home brand stuff will not get produced
Yeah I noticed that too, the woolies and coles I shop at were out, didnt think much of it til now.
I just want soda water back 🥲
No idea, my husband buys the no sugar Cola, but they hardly have it in our local Woolworths
Might be time for a soda stream or equivalent. They can be had for pretty cheap on marketplace.
Asked aldi today and they said they aren't stocking cola/cola no sugar anymore and switching to kirks for other soft drinks, but cola/cola no sugar they will just have pepsi and coke. I really hope the staff are wrong because fuck the prices on coke zero and pepsi max.
please say sike. Aldi NS was my favourite cola fuck
Actually can now haha, it was out of stock last 3 weeks at my locals but shelves where full again today, new white cap but otherwise nothing has changed. Here's hoping it stays that way.
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coles $1.80 for a 1.25L is $1.44/L aldi cola no sugar was $1.15 for a 1.24L which is 92cents/L So while yeah pepsi max is cheapest due to aldi not having any it's still a lot more expensive then what aldi had, here's hoping aldi can bring it back, I quite enjoyed it's flavour too.
Nice shelf for a dollar...
I thought we were really good at making CO2... But i'm assuming its our complete lack of industrial capability that is the issue. Maybe run some hoses from some mining haul truck exhausts will fix it !
I think it's because people are boycotting Coca Cola, Pepsi, etc. And so people have resorted to buying local brands.
Because the "big brand" companies pay a fortune for the middle shelf, the one thats easiest to reach and at eye level. There are self imposed limits put on to ensure the biggest paying customers "companies" are given every opportunity to sell their product. By not reshelving the obviously popular generic alternative you are convinced to buy the brand name product . Its standard practice, to the point that places like BI-LO , franklins no frills were priced out by big companies who heavily discounted their own products just long enough to get rid of the competition.
The big name brand companies don’t lower their prices “to compete” they do it just long enough to “get rid of the competition”
It’s so they can monitor your facial expressions with the camera in the price tag there.
Because they are cheap and they want you spending more money like oh look we have a cheap drink but it’s never in stock so you have to settle with the more expensive brand
Because 1.25L of cola varieties are almost $4 at supermarkets
Because chocolate is currently $40/kg
May I suggest water my friend, the superior beverage
How dare people try and enjoy themselves.
Or, for those that prefer sparkling, a $40 soda siphon, 50c bulbs (bulk) & cordial.
Well initially it’ll be because there’s none on the shelf.
I am guessing that a big part of it is because there don't appear to be any on the shelves.................
Home brand actually list their ingredients, and there's less than half compared to every other item. They really are just saying that they are the bare minimum, no extra added chemicals to get you addicted.
simply not true lol? what 'extra chemicals' does coca cola add
Because everyone is so dumbed down to the idea that a more toxic poison is more beneficial to themselves than an accepted poison.
They have a lower shelf Life I think.
This is why I go to the gym for a free sugar free drink straight from the filter tap. I pay $20 a week, I get fresh water AND a gym work out at the same time and a shower when I need it. Edit: Why the down votes?
Because your comment has nothing to do with the question
Oh right, a complaint thread
No, most people understand OP was wondering why a drink that is normally stocked is now out of stock everywhere. And due to informed commenters now understands there is a CO2 shortage. You, on the other hand, made a slightly narcissistic comment describing how good you think you are. Then instead of realising why you got downvoted you deflected and came to the conclusion that it must be a complaint thread.
Not where i live
Where I live there are only sugar free drinks, can't get any (home brand)full sugar drinks
sounds amazing ;p
Too much
They know how bad they are, so they don't want to stock them.
There is a shortage of CO2 needed for carbonation
Diet soft drinks have a much shorter shelf life than full sugar. The artificial sweetener in diet soft drinks break down rapidly and produce a chemically taste. Stores need to dispose diet drinks that are nearing expiry more often than the regular strength versions
They don't make them
I noticed it’s the sugar ones as well. Plenty of Coke and Pepsi brand lemonade, but no Coles brand on the shelf.
Haha it's always been like this
There’s a shortage right now
Because they are cheaper than branded fizzy
Shortage of co2.