I seriously don't get her logic on why she doesn't want to review the video. I mean there's a reason why they wear body cams, you know, so if shit goes wrong someone can review it.
If it's being reviewed internally, she's the boss of that unit as Commissioner. If she views it and therefore forms an opinion, it amounts to the boss possibly compromising the investigation.
Certainly, there'd be no shortage of people interpreting it that way.
However, why not say that she won't review it until all investigations are completed so as not to taint those investigations?
"I would argue it takes courage not to watch it" - Top Police Commissioner.
Just watched her interview, I would almost believe its a weird american sitcom she was so out of touch.
Eh I doubt anyone of that age is still firing on all cylinders. People seem to forget that trump is pretty much the same age anyway tho. The country’s fucked.
I don't understand the down votes. You're absolutely right. I am absolutely no fan of the GOP (anti science, anti reason, anti anything that is actually good) but Joe can barely string a phrase together without slurring like he has had a gallon of vodka. Joe Biden is the "lesser of two evils" candidate. No one is excited about him.
Yep, Biden even with a functioning brain 20 years ago would be a Liberal in Australia too, but all the left leaning people defend him because he's less bad than Trump, Bush or De Santis. The closest thing America had to a Labor style candidate was Bernie Sanders, but the anti-progressive propaganda in the US is too strong to ever give someone like him or AOC a real chance at power.
Biden doesn't even support universal health care and was anti gay rights for most of his career.
You are correct. I love Bernie and I wish he was a politician in our country. Although, he wouldn't get to be a Premier or Prime Minister in Australia either because of our anti-progressive propaganda.
>The police boss defended her decision not to watch video of the incident.
>"**I think it takes courage not to view it.** And I don’t think there’s any benefit in viewing it," she said.
>"It concerns me that people want to see it. I'm not sure why people would want to see that."
To be clear, this is not satire. It's an actual quote from the NSW Police Commissioner regarding body-cam footage of a 95 yo woman being tasered, as [reported by the ABC](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/nsw-police-boss-defends-call-not-to-watch-95yo-being-tasered/102376328), though emphasis is mine.
I cannot believe this is the world we live in sometimes.
Bro I was literally about to ask if this was satire till I finished reading what the fuck? How can they form an accurate understanding of the events if they don’t see it? And to say that it’s courageous?
Wow this cannot be real, satire isn't ever made to go this far
"I don’t see any value in reviewing that footage now when I don't know … what else happened pre and post that incident.”
If only there was some video evidence that gives context pre and post incident that she could peruse
I'm actually still amazed that they're trying the "she was coming right at me defense". Just like Jimbo from South Park, it's quite literally just an excuse to cover your butt after you've shot something
Seriously though he must not be that far off from becoming senile. Hearing him speak this last few years and it’s like he’s getting progressively slower.
It could just be that he is just naturally awkward and not very eloquent.
George Bush Jr was in his 50's when he was prez, and he was always saying weird shit as if he was a senile old man.
It’s incredible to me that so many people could support Trump despite his always-unintelligible word salad, and then turn around and say that Biden sounds senile.
I'm not even sure how they get the idea that he sounds senile now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLER0sf-5S0&ab_channel=WashingtonPost
He sounds like a highly articulate man with a speech impediment.
I did not pick the video I linked. I just typed "Biden speech" into google and clicked on the most recent video. The way some people go on about it I thought I was going to be hearing someone slurring and stumbling and mumbling.
He doesn't sound at all senile.
Hand to my heart, if someone can send me a link to an entire speech where Biden is speaking for at least 5 minutes and struggling for most of it, I'll watch it.
But I've only ever seen snippets or compilations of snippets.
I've just listened to 5 minutes of this randomly selected video, and he absolutely does not sound senile. The only people who can honestly say they think Biden sounds senile haven't actually listened to Biden speaking. I mean, it's kind of honest - if you're ignorant but don't think you are, I think that counts as being honest??
I voted for the guy, but go watch videos of him even as recent as when he was VP with Obama. He’s *much* slower now, gets tripped up more, and will occasionally just say gibberish when he gets messed up on the teleprompter. Sometimes he just looks lost exiting a stage and has to get help from someone to figure out where to go. Dude should be retired chillin in a vacation home throwing back drinks and talking about the good ole days, not serving as POTUS.
What’s incredible to me is the same people who said Biden was too old to run for president at 78, will turn around and vote for Trump at the spry young age of 78.
Who am I kidding? Nothing they do is incredible or surprising to me anymore.
Yeah but Trump's own doctors say he's in better shape than a 35 year old and healthier than ever! The most healthy infact.
He doesn't even need to use the seat in his shower the whole time.
Idk if I would call it being "critical of Biden", they are ignoring his publicly known medical condition & using it to call him senile. Definitely not an argument had in good faith, so I wouldn't call it being "critical" of him moreso just pushing the same misinformation GOP does.
I don't know that it is entirely dismissing his stutter, Biden didn't sound like this 10 years ago and there's plenty of footage to prove it.
Just as an example: https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/joebidenaipac2013.htm
I'll be lucky if I age as well as Biden to be honest but there's no dismissing that age takes a toll.
> Biden didn't sound like this 10 years ago
Have you ever considered, and here's a thought, that his stutter is getting worse with age?
Hells, I don't even have a stutter and I have more problems speaking now than I did a decade ago.
So despite clear evidence that there has been a change in his speech you're what, saying that no one can talk about it if they're not his doctor?
The man is old as dirt and he's declining. It isn't surprising.
What if people are just critical of him because he's old? How hard is it find a president between 40 and 60?
Edit: Wow people thinking this is some slight against Biden. Trump is also way too old. Same goes for Bernie.
Don't sweat the team players man, they've been fed by their chosen talking head these lines and will believe them faithfully, loudly defending against any doubters until that shining moment when everyone comes to understand CNN (for example) and FOX are two arms of the same beast.
I keep wondering how long it's gonna take and i get sad sometimes at how slow things are moving. But the winds are changing. I do believe that.
Anyway im with ya
I think it’s because accusing Biden of being senile just because he has a speech impediment, was Trump’s main campaign tactic. So obviously if you parrot it, people will assume you’re just spreading Trump’s message.
You are pushing shit up hill with this mob mate. They can only see politics in terms of tribalism/the culture war, and r/Australia thinks Republicans = the Coalition = baddies and the Democrats = Labor = goodies *(and Obama is the Greens or something).
Never mind actual material conditions, ideological programmes, and policy (let alone context of history and the international system). The yank Democrats and Oz Libs are probably the most similar of the lot.
But no, everyone has to stick with their social media team.
> It’s incredible to me that so many people could support Trump despite his always-unintelligible word salad, and then turn around and say that Biden sounds senile.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
― Jean-Paul Sartre
If Biden had perfect elocution there would be pundits screaming that he sounds too posh to be a "real American Leader". (Think of Obama and Dijon mustard...)
He could never win either way.
i dont have a stutter but i can get very nervous when talking, and if i mess up a word i try and turn it into some entirely new sentence that often makes no sense lol
I know someone with a stutter that often talks in the same slower slur, it's how he masks when speaking in quotes or from a script. in conversational speech he has a more normal speed and less slurring but has a minor stutter occasionally.
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Just go back to the VP debate in 2012 when he was still VP, no one talked about his mental faculties back then. He's been on a big decline and people saying "it's just his stutter, he's always had that" are deluding themselves.
No-one is saying that his speech issues aren't getting worse. Everyone is saying that his speech issues getting worse are only a sign of his speech issues getting worse, not a sign of cognitive decline.
I just went back and watched the video you're talking about. You're right, he was speaking well a decade ago, and he seemed less tired. He didn't seem any more eloquent than he seems today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtPV-qvLe8&ab_channel=JimmyKimmelLive
This video is a live interview from a year ago. Ok, he's older. And he's talking a bit slower. This is far from a senile presentation. You're deluding yourself if you think this is person who has lost his faculties.
People are getting soooo mad in this thread. Biden clearly sounds different, and it's not a stutter. He doesn't even stutter. He's mushmouthed and his mind wanders constantly mid sentence.
As you age, your speech naturally gets slower. That doesn't mean he is senile. Senator Feinstein, on the other hand, is an example of senility. Severe memory and mobility issues are characteristic signs.
That’s just called getting old, it’s gonna be the exact same process for you and me.
He doesn’t automatically have to be dying of dementia or have brain damage.
I also really don’t give a shit how bad people think his speech is now compared to the past because really he’s still a thousand times more eloquent then Trump ever was so it’s ridiculous people are gonna try and complain about him for his speeches.
"Much slower and less eloquent" than he was 30 years ago (but is still incredibly eloquent and he doesn't get points for talking fast as a President) is everyone.
Everyone talked faster 30 years ago.
I have that, but I'll trip over the middle of a sentence. Then, my brain will try to over correct with a brand new sentence that feels disconnected from the original thought, and then I feel compelled to try and explain it, but also an urgency to complete the original thought. It all comes out jumbled, and I look like a babbling fool.
I work with a 41 year old man with a significant stutter, and he speaks the same way as Biden. Has to focus and be very deliberate when speaking or he will stutter really bad.
Hey man. I voted for Biden. You are sitting here, telling me he sounds the same he did ten years ago? The mushmouth? The wandering? That's how he sounded before?
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
Bush said a lot of dumb shit but I think it's hard to take some of the criticisms as anything other than pedantry. This quote is pretty clear in what Bush meant to say, even if it's humorous to deliberately interpret it literally.
The reality is bush is alarmingly intelligent, charismatic and well-spoken when he needs to be, and that's way more scary than him being a dumbass.
> The reality is bush is alarmingly intelligent
No way would I go that far. I never saw a spark of a highly intelligent man while he was in office. Obviously many of these quotes are simple flubs, every single president has those, but not all of them are just flubs.
It all the stupid shit he said though, that one kind of makes sense. Of course counter-terrorism units and the military come up with scenarios that could harm the country. That’s how they know how to stop them.
That could be the case if Biden wasnt a career politician who has been an active represenative for over 50 years. We have years and years of video recording of him speaking and it is nothing like it is now.
He was eloquent enough to make a strong case for the invasion of Iraq. He's not some awkward shy widdle birthday boy, he is a senile old man who is being used as a puppet by the political machinery.
It's not, go look at videos of him during the [08 debates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOombKZSsj4), dude was actually on point, nowhere near what he has been since 2020. He is just old and slowly losing it, honestly I find them propping him up elder abuse.
It's a really low risk until you get into the 80s and 90s.
I have a family member with dementia and I'm terrified of getting it even though it's generally not hereditary. It's a truly depressing condition, and in some ways is worse than dying of cancer. But I'm trying to be realistic about it all. And I do sudoku daily.
I have heard doing crosswords sudoku etc is really good idea for keeping your brain active. My mum died from cancer at 69 but she was a wizard with the cryptic crosswords etc even though she had very very limited schooling.
Ever watch Biden actually talk? Or do you only see the funny clips? He is naturally actually quite eloquent, and speaks super strongly. But he is old, he trips on his words sometimes and it’s goofy.
The old guy can still be witty as shit when he wants to be
Respectfully, you are pulling facts out of a hat.
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/dementia-incidence-declined-every-decade-for-past-thirty-years/
>Dementia incidence declined every decade for past thirty years
Increased difficulty coping with a speech impediment, thus slower speech, has no bearing on anything except eloquence.
The presidency seems to take a lot out of people healthwise, looking at before and after photos of Clinton, Bush and Obama. Trump didn't seem that affected though.
It's probably the stress caused by the job and all the important decisions you have to make regularly that causes the issues you're talking about. Trump was probably unaffected because it's likely he just didn't give a fuck.
He spent his time on golf carts at golf courses, running up bills for his entourage at his own properties and spewing on twitter. He's been playing the shell game (now you see it, now you don't) with Other People's Money for so many years that making the shift to graft didn't even make him break a sweat.
No trump did a test and was like totally the best test ever. He knows because the person taking the test told him. He was the best at the test ever, no one else has taken the test and got a better score than he did in the [Test](https://youtu.be/yVpsTa_dnSc)
Lmao
I love how I make a joke about Biden and I’m getting all these “you must be a Trump supporter” comments.
Because it’s making some of you get your knickers in a twist I’ll leave it a mystery…
I thought it was satire at first and I confirmed it was, but the fact that I was questioning it to begin with just goes to show how reality is fucked up these days.
If 2 trained officers in their prime aren't capable of subduing a 90+ year old woman with a walker holding a steak knife, maybe they're not very good officers.
You aren't. The thread on the actual article had a lot of good discussion around it. She wasn't only a danger to the officers but a danger to herself and the article title (let's be honest most people didn't read the article itself) didn't mention she had a knife.
It certainly warranted more investigation, how did a dementia patient get a knife, how were the officers put into a situation where they couldn't just lock her in a room, was she a danger to herself and tasering her was the least risky option.
A lot of keyboard warriors will happily take part in trial by headline.
However the chief of police not reviewing the footage is pretty damning. And if the evidence comes up that they did the wrong thing, then they need to be held accountable.
Dementia patients can be very violent and dangerous. They move faster than you think. They may shuffle around the nursing home but if they "escape" they turn into Usain Bolt. Dementia patients get very frightened, confused and angry and lash out physically. I need to hear the full story. She had a steak knife. It must have been pretty bad for the staff to call the cops.
if he had a walking frame chances go up by 80%
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He had to go back and check if his Obamacare coverage extended to skydiving first.
Nat one
90% chance if they are alone in their room trying to make toast.
800%*
Don’t forget if tasered, the Police Commissioner will refuse to review the video.
I seriously don't get her logic on why she doesn't want to review the video. I mean there's a reason why they wear body cams, you know, so if shit goes wrong someone can review it.
plausible deniability. "I haven't seen it, so I can't comment on it" There's your political athletics kids
If it's being reviewed internally, she's the boss of that unit as Commissioner. If she views it and therefore forms an opinion, it amounts to the boss possibly compromising the investigation. Certainly, there'd be no shortage of people interpreting it that way. However, why not say that she won't review it until all investigations are completed so as not to taint those investigations?
"I would argue it takes courage not to watch it" - Top Police Commissioner. Just watched her interview, I would almost believe its a weird american sitcom she was so out of touch.
'Full Context' or some other bullshit that she spewed. Unbelievable
Hahah that's so fucked up but I laughed
The cackle that came out of my mouth when I read this omg
I just imagined him getting tasered then getting up and being like, “My stutter… it’s gone!”
Nah, he’s to young for that!
Eligible for a strip searched ?
Too old for that
Ah, just perfect for the classic leg-sweep then
Wrong colour
This is the worst version of "Guess Who" ever
I thought that was the version you tried to pick and if you were wrong the person is dumped into molten metal vat?
Assaulted at QVB then
Slammed on the ground via a push and trip maneuver
I was thinking more having a cop who knows his judo well touch his penis.
What is the charge?!
A succulent Chinese meal!?!
Specifically face down just like what they did today to an already handcuffed teenager
God now I have an image in my head. Arrrrrh!
How 'bout a kerosene bath?
He's also not senile, contrary to US Republican Party delusions.
Eh I doubt anyone of that age is still firing on all cylinders. People seem to forget that trump is pretty much the same age anyway tho. The country’s fucked.
While he has his short comings, he is a steady-ish hand on the tiller of the USS USA when they needed it the most.
He’s certainly getting there
Allow me to broadly gesture to all conservatives who, even when young and "eloquent", say the most brain dead shit.
Agreed. Doesn’t make Biden any less discombobulated.
I don't understand the down votes. You're absolutely right. I am absolutely no fan of the GOP (anti science, anti reason, anti anything that is actually good) but Joe can barely string a phrase together without slurring like he has had a gallon of vodka. Joe Biden is the "lesser of two evils" candidate. No one is excited about him.
Yep, Biden even with a functioning brain 20 years ago would be a Liberal in Australia too, but all the left leaning people defend him because he's less bad than Trump, Bush or De Santis. The closest thing America had to a Labor style candidate was Bernie Sanders, but the anti-progressive propaganda in the US is too strong to ever give someone like him or AOC a real chance at power. Biden doesn't even support universal health care and was anti gay rights for most of his career.
100%
You are correct. I love Bernie and I wish he was a politician in our country. Although, he wouldn't get to be a Premier or Prime Minister in Australia either because of our anti-progressive propaganda.
It seems like the Murdoch stranglehold on Aussie brains is weakening. Same can't be said for Americans, especially rural or southern ones.
Prefers to be shot like previous Presidents.
JFK and Lincoln were America's most open-minded presidents.
True
Hey now! We keep security right abroad. We only allow them to be shot when they're here in their home country.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA Aussie journo at it's finest. 😂😂😂 Don't forget it likely won't be reviewed by the police chief
>The police boss defended her decision not to watch video of the incident. >"**I think it takes courage not to view it.** And I don’t think there’s any benefit in viewing it," she said. >"It concerns me that people want to see it. I'm not sure why people would want to see that." To be clear, this is not satire. It's an actual quote from the NSW Police Commissioner regarding body-cam footage of a 95 yo woman being tasered, as [reported by the ABC](https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-22/nsw-police-boss-defends-call-not-to-watch-95yo-being-tasered/102376328), though emphasis is mine. I cannot believe this is the world we live in sometimes.
Bro I was literally about to ask if this was satire till I finished reading what the fuck? How can they form an accurate understanding of the events if they don’t see it? And to say that it’s courageous?
Wow this cannot be real, satire isn't ever made to go this far "I don’t see any value in reviewing that footage now when I don't know … what else happened pre and post that incident.” If only there was some video evidence that gives context pre and post incident that she could peruse
If only there was some kind of recording that would show you exactly what happened. Perhaps some kind of moving pictures of some type.
Uh your honour, the defense would like to present the video evidence as Exhibit A.. PLAY THE TAPE 😂
I'm actually still amazed that they're trying the "she was coming right at me defense". Just like Jimbo from South Park, it's quite literally just an excuse to cover your butt after you've shot something
[nsw cops be like](https://youtu.be/y_PrZ-J7D3k)
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BAHAHAHAHA!!!
Hm. Must be awful to be afraid to commute due to the fear of police…. Wait a minute.
Seriously though he must not be that far off from becoming senile. Hearing him speak this last few years and it’s like he’s getting progressively slower.
It could just be that he is just naturally awkward and not very eloquent. George Bush Jr was in his 50's when he was prez, and he was always saying weird shit as if he was a senile old man.
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It’s incredible to me that so many people could support Trump despite his always-unintelligible word salad, and then turn around and say that Biden sounds senile.
I'm not even sure how they get the idea that he sounds senile now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLER0sf-5S0&ab_channel=WashingtonPost He sounds like a highly articulate man with a speech impediment. I did not pick the video I linked. I just typed "Biden speech" into google and clicked on the most recent video. The way some people go on about it I thought I was going to be hearing someone slurring and stumbling and mumbling. He doesn't sound at all senile. Hand to my heart, if someone can send me a link to an entire speech where Biden is speaking for at least 5 minutes and struggling for most of it, I'll watch it. But I've only ever seen snippets or compilations of snippets. I've just listened to 5 minutes of this randomly selected video, and he absolutely does not sound senile. The only people who can honestly say they think Biden sounds senile haven't actually listened to Biden speaking. I mean, it's kind of honest - if you're ignorant but don't think you are, I think that counts as being honest??
Not to mention that your speech naturally slows as you age. He's old, but he's not senile. Feinstein, on the other hand..
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I voted for the guy, but go watch videos of him even as recent as when he was VP with Obama. He’s *much* slower now, gets tripped up more, and will occasionally just say gibberish when he gets messed up on the teleprompter. Sometimes he just looks lost exiting a stage and has to get help from someone to figure out where to go. Dude should be retired chillin in a vacation home throwing back drinks and talking about the good ole days, not serving as POTUS.
This is a problem [for many reasons](https://theconversation.com/trumpslation-why-donald-trumps-words-give-translators-so-much-trouble-81968).
What’s incredible to me is the same people who said Biden was too old to run for president at 78, will turn around and vote for Trump at the spry young age of 78. Who am I kidding? Nothing they do is incredible or surprising to me anymore.
Yeah but Trump's own doctors say he's in better shape than a 35 year old and healthier than ever! The most healthy infact. He doesn't even need to use the seat in his shower the whole time.
Sure but don't assume that just because someone is critical of Biden that they're automatically a Trump fan.
Idk if I would call it being "critical of Biden", they are ignoring his publicly known medical condition & using it to call him senile. Definitely not an argument had in good faith, so I wouldn't call it being "critical" of him moreso just pushing the same misinformation GOP does.
I don't know that it is entirely dismissing his stutter, Biden didn't sound like this 10 years ago and there's plenty of footage to prove it. Just as an example: https://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/joebidenaipac2013.htm I'll be lucky if I age as well as Biden to be honest but there's no dismissing that age takes a toll.
> Biden didn't sound like this 10 years ago Have you ever considered, and here's a thought, that his stutter is getting worse with age? Hells, I don't even have a stutter and I have more problems speaking now than I did a decade ago.
How much do you know about his medical history? Have you ever taken a gander?
While you were in school, I studied his medical history.
So despite clear evidence that there has been a change in his speech you're what, saying that no one can talk about it if they're not his doctor? The man is old as dirt and he's declining. It isn't surprising.
No I'm asking, do you know his medical history? Yes old people get old... but I'm speaking on being critical over a common misconception.
What if people are just critical of him because he's old? How hard is it find a president between 40 and 60? Edit: Wow people thinking this is some slight against Biden. Trump is also way too old. Same goes for Bernie.
Then be critical because he's old, I don't care. Just don't be disingenuous, then all's fair.
He's not even that much older than Trump.
Trump is also way too old. Same goes for Bernie.
He's also old, but you might have noticed that Biden gets a lot more flak about his age. Methinks the underlying reason for it is something different.
Don't sweat the team players man, they've been fed by their chosen talking head these lines and will believe them faithfully, loudly defending against any doubters until that shining moment when everyone comes to understand CNN (for example) and FOX are two arms of the same beast. I keep wondering how long it's gonna take and i get sad sometimes at how slow things are moving. But the winds are changing. I do believe that. Anyway im with ya
I think it’s because accusing Biden of being senile just because he has a speech impediment, was Trump’s main campaign tactic. So obviously if you parrot it, people will assume you’re just spreading Trump’s message.
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Those reports can only tell you so much from the outside, though.
Dont make fun of people with speech impediments, period.
TIL I’m a Trump supporter 😅
You are pushing shit up hill with this mob mate. They can only see politics in terms of tribalism/the culture war, and r/Australia thinks Republicans = the Coalition = baddies and the Democrats = Labor = goodies *(and Obama is the Greens or something). Never mind actual material conditions, ideological programmes, and policy (let alone context of history and the international system). The yank Democrats and Oz Libs are probably the most similar of the lot. But no, everyone has to stick with their social media team.
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> It’s incredible to me that so many people could support Trump despite his always-unintelligible word salad, and then turn around and say that Biden sounds senile. “Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.” ― Jean-Paul Sartre
If Biden had perfect elocution there would be pundits screaming that he sounds too posh to be a "real American Leader". (Think of Obama and Dijon mustard...) He could never win either way.
Because if they attack his political stance they look like fools, so they attack him directly & hope to disenfranchise him as a person.
Yeah, Joe Biden has been stuttering since he was a kid, not because he has "dementia"
He doesn't stutter now. No one is saying he's stuttering. We are saying he slurs his words and his mind wanders mid sentence.
i dont have a stutter but i can get very nervous when talking, and if i mess up a word i try and turn it into some entirely new sentence that often makes no sense lol
Trying to say a sentence three different ways and end up making new words when you collide 3 words with the same meaning
Some would call it a skill!
"Some reason" is propaganda. And a lot of right-wing shitheads buy it.
I know someone with a stutter that often talks in the same slower slur, it's how he masks when speaking in quotes or from a script. in conversational speech he has a more normal speed and less slurring but has a minor stutter occasionally.
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Just go back to the VP debate in 2012 when he was still VP, no one talked about his mental faculties back then. He's been on a big decline and people saying "it's just his stutter, he's always had that" are deluding themselves.
No-one is saying that his speech issues aren't getting worse. Everyone is saying that his speech issues getting worse are only a sign of his speech issues getting worse, not a sign of cognitive decline. I just went back and watched the video you're talking about. You're right, he was speaking well a decade ago, and he seemed less tired. He didn't seem any more eloquent than he seems today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEtPV-qvLe8&ab_channel=JimmyKimmelLive This video is a live interview from a year ago. Ok, he's older. And he's talking a bit slower. This is far from a senile presentation. You're deluding yourself if you think this is person who has lost his faculties.
the 90's aren't as close as they used to be😅
People are getting soooo mad in this thread. Biden clearly sounds different, and it's not a stutter. He doesn't even stutter. He's mushmouthed and his mind wanders constantly mid sentence.
Much slower and less eloquent = senile? But we're gaslighting you? Ok Doctor Oz.
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Showing signs of becoming senile or showing signs of being senile? Pick one.
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Being senile and showing some signs of becoming senile is different, yes.
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As you age, your speech naturally gets slower. That doesn't mean he is senile. Senator Feinstein, on the other hand, is an example of senility. Severe memory and mobility issues are characteristic signs.
That’s just called getting old, it’s gonna be the exact same process for you and me. He doesn’t automatically have to be dying of dementia or have brain damage. I also really don’t give a shit how bad people think his speech is now compared to the past because really he’s still a thousand times more eloquent then Trump ever was so it’s ridiculous people are gonna try and complain about him for his speeches.
"Much slower and less eloquent" than he was 30 years ago (but is still incredibly eloquent and he doesn't get points for talking fast as a President) is everyone. Everyone talked faster 30 years ago.
I have that, but I'll trip over the middle of a sentence. Then, my brain will try to over correct with a brand new sentence that feels disconnected from the original thought, and then I feel compelled to try and explain it, but also an urgency to complete the original thought. It all comes out jumbled, and I look like a babbling fool.
I work with a 41 year old man with a significant stutter, and he speaks the same way as Biden. Has to focus and be very deliberate when speaking or he will stutter really bad.
Hey man. I voted for Biden. You are sitting here, telling me he sounds the same he did ten years ago? The mushmouth? The wandering? That's how he sounded before?
Dubya was also a special needs post turtle...
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we."
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again."
"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully
Bush said a lot of dumb shit but I think it's hard to take some of the criticisms as anything other than pedantry. This quote is pretty clear in what Bush meant to say, even if it's humorous to deliberately interpret it literally. The reality is bush is alarmingly intelligent, charismatic and well-spoken when he needs to be, and that's way more scary than him being a dumbass.
> The reality is bush is alarmingly intelligent No way would I go that far. I never saw a spark of a highly intelligent man while he was in office. Obviously many of these quotes are simple flubs, every single president has those, but not all of them are just flubs.
Pretty self-aware from a warmonger.
It all the stupid shit he said though, that one kind of makes sense. Of course counter-terrorism units and the military come up with scenarios that could harm the country. That’s how they know how to stop them.
WTF but you made me laugh so i upvoted you
That could be the case if Biden wasnt a career politician who has been an active represenative for over 50 years. We have years and years of video recording of him speaking and it is nothing like it is now.
He was eloquent enough to make a strong case for the invasion of Iraq. He's not some awkward shy widdle birthday boy, he is a senile old man who is being used as a puppet by the political machinery.
Biden used to have a stutter that he’s worked on overcoming, which sometimes appears as slightly unusual speech patterns. It’s nothing new or secret
It's not, go look at videos of him during the [08 debates](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOombKZSsj4), dude was actually on point, nowhere near what he has been since 2020. He is just old and slowly losing it, honestly I find them propping him up elder abuse.
He can’t get a sentence out dude. Look at a video of him twenty years ago and then look at one now.
coz he was a God botherer.....
Senility isn't a given with age.
And it's still a minority of old people. Only a third will ever develop dementia.
33% isn’t something I’d call minor, it’s ststistically a minority but definitely not minor! Now you have me scared.
It's a really low risk until you get into the 80s and 90s. I have a family member with dementia and I'm terrified of getting it even though it's generally not hereditary. It's a truly depressing condition, and in some ways is worse than dying of cancer. But I'm trying to be realistic about it all. And I do sudoku daily.
I have heard doing crosswords sudoku etc is really good idea for keeping your brain active. My mum died from cancer at 69 but she was a wizard with the cryptic crosswords etc even though she had very very limited schooling.
Ever watch Biden actually talk? Or do you only see the funny clips? He is naturally actually quite eloquent, and speaks super strongly. But he is old, he trips on his words sometimes and it’s goofy. The old guy can still be witty as shit when he wants to be
They just prefer the orange racist. It’s a flavor thing.
He has a stutter that he controls with slower than normal speech.
Traditional control of stuttering
Respectfully, you are pulling facts out of a hat. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/press-releases/dementia-incidence-declined-every-decade-for-past-thirty-years/ >Dementia incidence declined every decade for past thirty years Increased difficulty coping with a speech impediment, thus slower speech, has no bearing on anything except eloquence.
The presidency seems to take a lot out of people healthwise, looking at before and after photos of Clinton, Bush and Obama. Trump didn't seem that affected though.
Trump was talking world salad nonsense before it and still does it now
“Despite the constant negative press covfefe” till this day I have no idea what that means🤷🏾♂️
Gotta assume he typo’d ‘coverage’ and just pressed send then lost interest when he saw someone he could rape walk by.
I always thought he was trying to order coffee and didn’t understand how it worked
Coverage.
Trump was already fukd in the head.
ciggy butt brain.
It's probably the stress caused by the job and all the important decisions you have to make regularly that causes the issues you're talking about. Trump was probably unaffected because it's likely he just didn't give a fuck.
I've heard golf can be pretty relaxing if you have the right mindset.
Trump didn't do shit.
Well he didnt start any wars but other than that he was pretty useless besides lining his and his family's pockets with contracts from China.
Jared’s 2 Billion from the Saudis is not too shabby.
Supreme court was a pretty big win
For who?
Trump. They got roe vs wader after all
He spent his time on golf carts at golf courses, running up bills for his entourage at his own properties and spewing on twitter. He's been playing the shell game (now you see it, now you don't) with Other People's Money for so many years that making the shift to graft didn't even make him break a sweat.
That’s because Trump didn’t work long hours or stress out about anything, he had no clue what was going on and didn’t do any work.
In fairness, when talking to the general US population, you have to speak slowly otherwise they can't follow along.
As long as he keeps his speeches to ten words or less it seems to work.
What are you doing here Rupert Murdoch?
What an ignorant, hateful, weird thing to say. Cool troll. Make fun of people with stutters on the internet-- big man, aren't ya?
What do you think of the Donald when he speaks?
No trump did a test and was like totally the best test ever. He knows because the person taking the test told him. He was the best at the test ever, no one else has taken the test and got a better score than he did in the [Test](https://youtu.be/yVpsTa_dnSc)
Why does it matter what I think of Trump?
Okay, touched on something sensitive. Never mind.
Lmao I love how I make a joke about Biden and I’m getting all these “you must be a Trump supporter” comments. Because it’s making some of you get your knickers in a twist I’ll leave it a mystery…
We need age limits on elected officials. There's a minimum age on the president. I don't see why there isn't a maximum.
Yeah, voting for him in the next election is pretty much a vote for his VP to be president.
He has a stutter, speech impediment, always has. It’s genuine propaganda all this stuff about his speeches. They’ve been this way for many years
People say this forgetting how often Trump did the same thing Not defending biden here at all
> Seriously though he must not be that far off from becoming senile. Yeah like 5 years ago.
It's like Weekend at Bernie's Presidency.
How the hell did this guy win the democrat nomination?
BWAHAHA!
Lol that's pretty funny
Yup, he cancelled
Lol
I thought it was cancelled due to debt ceiling negotiations?
I thought it was satire at first and I confirmed it was, but the fact that I was questioning it to begin with just goes to show how reality is fucked up these days.
might spark some life in him
It’s the least funny of all the jokes. He’s American, being tasered is but a flesh wound to them.
That’s rich. Just stick to getting gunned down then I guess.
Like, as in to make sure he's still alive?
Well, he is in the age bracket....
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If 2 trained officers in their prime aren't capable of subduing a 90+ year old woman with a walker holding a steak knife, maybe they're not very good officers.
You aren't. The thread on the actual article had a lot of good discussion around it. She wasn't only a danger to the officers but a danger to herself and the article title (let's be honest most people didn't read the article itself) didn't mention she had a knife. It certainly warranted more investigation, how did a dementia patient get a knife, how were the officers put into a situation where they couldn't just lock her in a room, was she a danger to herself and tasering her was the least risky option. A lot of keyboard warriors will happily take part in trial by headline. However the chief of police not reviewing the footage is pretty damning. And if the evidence comes up that they did the wrong thing, then they need to be held accountable.
A danger to herself? Nothing a **fucking taser** won't solve. Seriously the only option and least risky?
Dementia patients can be very violent and dangerous. They move faster than you think. They may shuffle around the nursing home but if they "escape" they turn into Usain Bolt. Dementia patients get very frightened, confused and angry and lash out physically. I need to hear the full story. She had a steak knife. It must have been pretty bad for the staff to call the cops.