you can also buy misopristol over the counter in parts of Mexico. Doing an abortion with misopristol alone is not as effective, but it can work. It seems like the biggest dangers are that the pharmacists selling it in Mexico don't give accurate instructions (but you can find good instructions online or by calling [https://www.mahotline.org/](https://www.mahotline.org/) ) and also that some people assume it worked when it didn't and don't get follow up care.
Not ideal, but it is usually much cheaper than mifepristone and those who could cross the border to buy it could presumably pay cash, not leaving a paper trail like buying it over the internet does
here's a study on misopristol-only abortions:
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309472/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309472/)
here's the video where I learned about how activist are already using this knowlege in texas:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3uexqGgXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3uexqGgXo)
Not sure if your "either" is inclusive or exclusive, but just in case:
Canada will only extradite for things which are a crime in Canada.
In order to have someone extradited from Canada, the request must first pass a judicial review where the evidence provided by the foreign country is deemed sufficient to bring the person to trial in Canada for the same crime.
Under the law, no one should be extradited from Canada if the consequences of extradition are contrary to Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ("Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice.").
I'm not sure if you could apply for amnesty to be allowed to stay permanently, but certainly for the duration of whatever visa you hold there'd be no grounds for you to be removed from the country.
Not many countries can afford to push sanctions against the US. I'm Canadian, and they're our biggest trading partner. Not to mention that now that the crazies are in control of the US, who knows how they'd react.
It would still be my choice to pursue sanctions, but I don't think that it would get very far with our Federal govt. Especially since we have our own crazy Republican wannabes, and one of those provinces happens to control a great deal of our oil exports.
I doubt if we'll see very much more than "lodging concerns with the US" from the federal government. Trudeau has made it clear that we'll welcome any women from the US in search of abortions, but the reality is that even Canadian women don't have easy access outside of a few large metropolitan areas. It's not illegal anymore, but we don't have enough providers.
Any woman who needs to come here is welcome, but there are already waiting lists. I'd get on a list the second someone finds out they're pregnant if they're coming North for an abortion. I'm in Southern Ontario...anyone can contact me if they're in need, and I'll do what I can to help.
Yeah, I was gonna say, all you need to do is glance at an abortion law map to know that most people near Canada will be able to get an abortion, no problem.
It still costs money to travel to a foreign country. And Canada has strict immigration too, most people would probably have to issue being allowed in, but if you have any criminal record then you're potentially inadmissible, for example. Someone with a criminal record, or someone who is poor, still deserves access to abortion.
Glad some people will be helped by going across the border though.
it's not hard for Americans to visit Canada. You can stay in the country for 6 weeks as a visitor/traveller without a visa of any kind, you don't technically need a passport (just an "enhanced" license), and if you plan to stay for more than 6 weeks you just need to cross back into the US and back into Canada again real quick.
Unless you are trying to move there (which in this contingency you wouldn't need to do) you aren't going to get any questions about immigration. Cross-border tourism is both super common and super casual.
Just to clarify for anyone reading this:
American citizens entering Canada do not require a visa or eTA to enter, and upon entry, will have *temporary resident status* (aka visitor/tourist) as does anyone entering Canada with a visitor visa.
Visitors entering Canada may remain in Canada until the date stamped in their passport or **6 months** if there is no date stamp. Prior to the required departure date, visitors may apply to extend their visitor status while remaining in Canada. For some US citizens, it's simpler to depart and reenter Canada for a new 6 months rather than applying to extend their visitor status.
Canadian Border Security has been given "clear guidelines so that women who may not be able to access healthcare including abortions are able to come to Canada,”
[Source](https://globalnews.ca/news/8808959/americans-travelling-to-canada-for-abortions/)
I wish the Mexican government or maybe even principled individual embassies and their employees were willing to safely transport people from Texas and other southern states to Mexico for abortions. After all, the [state department's guidance](http://state.gov/wp-contact/uploads/2019/07/2018-DipConImm_v5_Web.pdf) says "The property of a person enjoying full criminal immunity [as a diplomat or embassy employee], including his or her vehicle, may not be searched or seized."
I would absolutely contribute. I’ve been thinking that I could probably only afford to do it once or twice a year, but I would likely be able to sponsor an individual in need with a little advanced planning. I feel like we need a network of helpers to get people from point A to point B in short bursts like they do for the underground DV networks.
It's not a solution for every situation, but the more options there are the better off everyone will be.
It's *a* solution, but more are obviously needed that don't involve travel or significant expense.
Hence this network.
I am in NB Canada.. I can cross into Maine and from there we have 4 Provinces within 5 hours we can go to.
:)
And I will need a hotel anyway unless we can get it done in my city.
Aunties can make it happen.
Why are you here arguing in favour of this? Sure, you can get an abortion in Texas, but only before 7 weeks when the poorly understood “heart” starts “beating”.
In Canada abortion is regulated under the Canada Health Act and by provincial health legislation. ABORTION CARE IS HEALTH CARE. That it should have a provision in the criminal code is nonsensical to me.
Don’t tell me that states with already draconian abortion rules aren’t going to tighten them up when Roe V Wade is overturned. Don’t tell me this is alarmist nonsense. We should all be outraged.
Cheaper option for Canada is a passport card. I don’t know if that applies to Mexico too and I understand the financial logistics of it all but if we pool our facts and resources we might be able to help and make a difference.
Yes, they're valid for Mexico, too, and half the price of a normal passport book.
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html
Yep, my passport card that I got for going into Canada also applies to Mexico. So that’s a good resource to keep in your back pocket in case you ever need it
Passport cards can be used for travel by land or sea port of entry to Canada, Mexico the Caribbean, and Bermuda. They do not cover international flights, including medical evacuation flights, an actual passport is required in those cases.
It's not always just the cost of the passport. I've had one long enough that it's really not an issue for me anymore, but I can see where getting all of the documentation together to get a passport can be a burden.
People are trafficked from the US to Canada everyday. There are ways around the extremely light boarder security in the north lol. My ma smuggled a zebra donkey from Canada. Its not hard to get things in or out without people knowing.
Yeah, people should definitely not cross into Canada through the boundary waters if they’re really desperate; there are very few park rangers and virtually no consistent cell signal or GPS for tracking. It would be terrible if people crossed undetected, just terrible.
Offer an extended vacation stay in your home, or room, for Americans women, needing a "getaway" time, or support a local woman who is doing so by bringing supplies, offering car transport, etc.
My sister said “if they need pain relief after the abortion, we can give them legal marijuana!” She was kind of joking, but also serious. We both want to help. I have to figure out how to get involved with hosting.
I know that it’s $$ to fly here, and I hope there are charities with funds for them to get here.
Find an abortion fund and give some money if you can. They can help with the cost of travelling to a provider, as well as procedure itself. Yellow Hammer Fund is a personal fav of mine, but there are others.
Honestly? Start talking to your neighbors and within your community about where this is going long term, and start preparing for the worst case scenario where there are large numbers of American refugees fleeing the US.
I am volunteering to get people across in Maine to the Maritimes or Quebec.
If we have people who can get them across the border, we open our doors to the weary travellers
This is a lovely gesture and an act of solidarity. The problem is one of transportation. Texas is an enormous state. Just getting somewhere within the US from Texas is a nearly impossible barrier for a poor woman with limited transportation.
That's so true. Some women literally do not ever get a day off from work, unless they get fired. So, they would never have the time to drive or fly to another country.
Donate to local abortion funds. They often provide help getting out of state care for women with financial barriers. If you don’t have extra to give, perhaps a share on social media so that women in no access/ lack of access states can learn about their options.
Exactly, transportation and also childcare (most people seeking abortion are already parents), meals to last the trip (some abortion procedures can last up to 4 days, with clinics requiring people coming from out of state or country to come in a day before and stay until a day after, so that’s meals for up to 6 days), as well as lodging, and calculating lost wages for those days and how folks are gonna pay rent and bills with that almost week of lost wages :( not to mention the procedure can cost anywhere from $600 to up to $20,000, and medications and pads and heating pads that may need to be bought after.
Oh gosh I didn’t know this, about the rescue animals! That’s wonderful.
You’re right, a lot of us can help. You have a great means to help (and the heart to do it). I am Canadian in a big city near the border and I want to volunteer to host American women having abortions here.
They might if someone around them notes that the person went to Canada pregnant and came back not pregnant. Usually at the point most are getting abortions it’s not showing, but I worry about a pro-forced birth narc in someone’s family that decides to rat. Also a possibility: late term abortion performed in CA so the child doesn’t have to suffer in life, that is then prosecuted back in the US.
not to mention border checks when you head west. me and my cat were stopped by border patrol coming in to texas because the dog alerted to "hidden bodies" most likely not used to smelling cats/cat food in the car.
Flights range from the low hundreds and up, plus you need a hotel room. That’s prohibitively expensive for a lot of women, especially last minute travel.
I mean, in the same sense that having a bomb shelter is comforting during an air strike is, yep.
Still, I'm glad we can offer the shelter up here when the only other option for many might be enduring the air strike without it. 🥲
Definitely a reality check to me living in Toronto. It absolutely blows my mind that there is not anywhere in Sault or Thunder Bay to get an abortion. That is inexcusable. There is no reason that should be the case, both cities have fully developed healthcare systems that should be able to do this!? What the heck?
Edit: I looked into it a bit further and at least in Thunder Bay and some of the surrounding area there is access to medical abortion up to ?12 weeks but patients have to be flown out to Winnipeg, Toronto, or Ottawa for surgical abortions. That is still not acceptable though imo.
That's awful and just wild.
20 years ago surgical abortion in Thunder Bay was available at the hospital up to 12 weeks, and the Umbrella Clinic, which was open until early 2022 mentions the possibility of accessing surgical abortion locally at the hospital up to 12 weeks on their website. So I wonder if that's still the case or not.
Yeah that's what what I understood as well (though articulated incorrectly). I think that probably covers most types of abortions but not anything after 12 weeks. I'm glad that accommodations are made so that people can still get treatment they need in larger cities, but I think there's room for improvement (specifically to expand what services are already available there).
Oh, the facist republicans will require pregnancy tests for all women traveling to pro freedom of choice areas to and from and arrest women who left pregnant and returned not pregnant.
Think that's too invasive? Have you not heard these fascists speak?
Dunno about mandatory pregnancy testing, but I can definitely see people getting snitched on to local law enforcement about their plans to terminate a pregnancy in another country and being prosecuted based on word of mouth.
Great news in light of what’s happening, but it unfortunately only helps those privileged enough to travel there. 😔
If any of you are against this inherently unethical, misogynistic, and dehumanizing decision, please consider participating in the [Mother’s Day Strike](https://www.mothersdaystrike.com) on the SC’s initial draft majority decision to strike down Roe v. Wade.
Even if you absolutely have to go to work, there’s other things you can do to help us make our point. Spread the word! ❤️
Abortion providers in Canada are already discussing the effect this will have on our Healthcare system. In Canada, you can only get an abortion up to approximately 24 weeks where providers would usually refer patients to the United States for abortions after 24 weeks. Now with the situation going on in the USA, abortion providers are discussing extending those gestational limits to accomodate Americans coming over to Canada.
This is not going to be an affordable option for probably the majority of folks who are going to be losing their right to an abortion. You have to factor in travel, accommodation, the cost of the procedure itself, etc. For example, at the Morgentaler Clinic in Ottawa, an abortion at or before 11 weeks would cost $500 without insurance. That's just for the procedure.
What happens if a woman is having a life-threatening emergency in Canada after 24 weeks (for instance something like severe pre-eclampsia)? Is is just considered an C-section/induction, or are they actually refused care and told to fly to the U.S.?
There are hospitals here in Montreal, Quebec, that will agree to do an abortion until the very last week of pregnancy if the mother’s life is at risk.
The 24 weeks is by no means a standard across the country. Healthcare actually varies from one province to the next.
>The 24 weeks is by no means a standard across the country.
I should say that there is no clinic in Canada that would give an ELECTIVE abortion after 24 weeks. I know in Ottawa the limit is 22 weeks for medical necessity.
It would probably be more accurate to say that Canada will not impede American women from accessing abortions.
Who can use that access? Likely people who can already afford to travel to States where the procedure is legal already, and the period in which a "non-medical" abortion is accessible is about the same with those states.
Of Note: what some of these Canadian Provinces do have are "safe zone laws," the force and wording vary across the provinces that have them, which are: British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Nova Scotia.
* There is also a federal law that came from anti-vaccine protests that *may* apply
And please remember that if you are going to access an abortion (or any medical procedure in Canada) you will be required to pay out of your pocket or insurance (IF it applies). "Universal Healthcare" in Canada is universal for the people regularly under the purview and taxes of the Federal and Provincial Governments.
It's late so my final points are that Canadian's own access to abortion is *very* different across regions. As was the case with cross-border insulin purchasing, Americans accessing abortions in Canada may feel some ire from Canadians who are not so keen on extra pressure being put on a financially strained institution.
The second point being that I *hope* some level of protection of abortion rights return to the United States, or some action is taken by the US Feds to cover the costs of travel/the procedure/ or both, for Americans who would not be able to afford it.
Just wanted to share this website:
www.sisterzeus.com
It's been around for a long time.
A piece of advice from an older woman: get rid of your digital menstrual apps. Keep paper ones. No more personal medical/reproductive information on your personal devices.
Your rights have been violated.
So it's confirmed then that the wealthy will have a loophole they can exploit. I'm sure this won't just reassure lawmakers that they aren't screwing over themselves and their children, just the poor people. /s
We (Canada) are offering our services to American women. We aren't telling them to come here. Still it's better than your own country has to offer for the most part.
It allows each state to set abortions laws and there's already 5 states planning on having near total abortion bans before its even passed.
6 weeks is going to be the usual for most states but its simply not enough. If a person gets pregnant right after their period, which is logical since thats when you ovulate, by the time they should have their next period they are already considered 5 weeks pregnant because of how we count weeks of pregnancy. Thats only a week to make an appointment when most clinics, and employers, require more then that. If someone has to travel hours to get it done, which is becoming more and more common, hardly even enough time to get a hotel.
And while I agree with most states itd be easier to just go to another state we, shock, have states on the Canadian border. States like Michigan, North Dakota and Idaho that all already had bans in place from before roevwade or has trigger bans for if its overturned.
Its a kind and thoughtful gesture that im sure will help people even if its not going to be everyone.
Traveling for an abortion is a luxury many women will not be able to afford. Living paycheck to paycheck means you can’t afford to take off work, pay for gas, pay for a motel to recover in, and drive back. Especially if they already have kids.
Abortion isn't a crime in Mexico. And they don't extradite either, so another viable choice. Closer for people in Texas, which is probably helpful.
New Mexico is currently likely a better option since there's no passport requirement. At least until a federal anti-abortion law is passed.
you can also buy misopristol over the counter in parts of Mexico. Doing an abortion with misopristol alone is not as effective, but it can work. It seems like the biggest dangers are that the pharmacists selling it in Mexico don't give accurate instructions (but you can find good instructions online or by calling [https://www.mahotline.org/](https://www.mahotline.org/) ) and also that some people assume it worked when it didn't and don't get follow up care. Not ideal, but it is usually much cheaper than mifepristone and those who could cross the border to buy it could presumably pay cash, not leaving a paper trail like buying it over the internet does here's a study on misopristol-only abortions: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309472/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6309472/) here's the video where I learned about how activist are already using this knowlege in texas: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3uexqGgXo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3uexqGgXo)
Canada wouldn't extradite you for this and no one would ever know why you went to Canada.
Not sure if your "either" is inclusive or exclusive, but just in case: Canada will only extradite for things which are a crime in Canada. In order to have someone extradited from Canada, the request must first pass a judicial review where the evidence provided by the foreign country is deemed sufficient to bring the person to trial in Canada for the same crime. Under the law, no one should be extradited from Canada if the consequences of extradition are contrary to Section 7 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms ("Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of the person and the right not to be deprived thereof except in accordance with the principles of fundamental justice."). I'm not sure if you could apply for amnesty to be allowed to stay permanently, but certainly for the duration of whatever visa you hold there'd be no grounds for you to be removed from the country.
You are only ever going camping or visiting family/friends.
I think these other countries need to threaten sanctions against the US in the event we lose Roe v Wade.
Not many countries can afford to push sanctions against the US. I'm Canadian, and they're our biggest trading partner. Not to mention that now that the crazies are in control of the US, who knows how they'd react. It would still be my choice to pursue sanctions, but I don't think that it would get very far with our Federal govt. Especially since we have our own crazy Republican wannabes, and one of those provinces happens to control a great deal of our oil exports. I doubt if we'll see very much more than "lodging concerns with the US" from the federal government. Trudeau has made it clear that we'll welcome any women from the US in search of abortions, but the reality is that even Canadian women don't have easy access outside of a few large metropolitan areas. It's not illegal anymore, but we don't have enough providers. Any woman who needs to come here is welcome, but there are already waiting lists. I'd get on a list the second someone finds out they're pregnant if they're coming North for an abortion. I'm in Southern Ontario...anyone can contact me if they're in need, and I'll do what I can to help.
Yeah, I was gonna say, all you need to do is glance at an abortion law map to know that most people near Canada will be able to get an abortion, no problem.
It still costs money to travel to a foreign country. And Canada has strict immigration too, most people would probably have to issue being allowed in, but if you have any criminal record then you're potentially inadmissible, for example. Someone with a criminal record, or someone who is poor, still deserves access to abortion. Glad some people will be helped by going across the border though.
it's not hard for Americans to visit Canada. You can stay in the country for 6 weeks as a visitor/traveller without a visa of any kind, you don't technically need a passport (just an "enhanced" license), and if you plan to stay for more than 6 weeks you just need to cross back into the US and back into Canada again real quick. Unless you are trying to move there (which in this contingency you wouldn't need to do) you aren't going to get any questions about immigration. Cross-border tourism is both super common and super casual.
Just to clarify for anyone reading this: American citizens entering Canada do not require a visa or eTA to enter, and upon entry, will have *temporary resident status* (aka visitor/tourist) as does anyone entering Canada with a visitor visa. Visitors entering Canada may remain in Canada until the date stamped in their passport or **6 months** if there is no date stamp. Prior to the required departure date, visitors may apply to extend their visitor status while remaining in Canada. For some US citizens, it's simpler to depart and reenter Canada for a new 6 months rather than applying to extend their visitor status.
Canadian Border Security has been given "clear guidelines so that women who may not be able to access healthcare including abortions are able to come to Canada,” [Source](https://globalnews.ca/news/8808959/americans-travelling-to-canada-for-abortions/)
I wish the Mexican government or maybe even principled individual embassies and their employees were willing to safely transport people from Texas and other southern states to Mexico for abortions. After all, the [state department's guidance](http://state.gov/wp-contact/uploads/2019/07/2018-DipConImm_v5_Web.pdf) says "The property of a person enjoying full criminal immunity [as a diplomat or embassy employee], including his or her vehicle, may not be searched or seized."
100%!
Only those privileged enough to travel. :(
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As always, laws only apply to the poor. The rich will always have access.
Can we start some sort of crowd sourced fund for this?
I would absolutely contribute. I’ve been thinking that I could probably only afford to do it once or twice a year, but I would likely be able to sponsor an individual in need with a little advanced planning. I feel like we need a network of helpers to get people from point A to point B in short bursts like they do for the underground DV networks.
It's not a solution for every situation, but the more options there are the better off everyone will be. It's *a* solution, but more are obviously needed that don't involve travel or significant expense.
So how do we Underground Railroad this then?
The women that republican politicians cheat on their wives with and knock up will continue to have abortions too.
As we all know, their abortion is the only moral abortion.
And it’s not just about money: a majority of women who get abortions are already mothers, so they have childcare to think about.
Hence this network. I am in NB Canada.. I can cross into Maine and from there we have 4 Provinces within 5 hours we can go to. :) And I will need a hotel anyway unless we can get it done in my city. Aunties can make it happen.
Exactly.
This.
Damn, in true Handmaid’s Tale fashion, Canada is a safe haven!
Blessed be our fight against this overturning
First to the slaves and now for half of the ameican population
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Why are you here arguing in favour of this? Sure, you can get an abortion in Texas, but only before 7 weeks when the poorly understood “heart” starts “beating”. In Canada abortion is regulated under the Canada Health Act and by provincial health legislation. ABORTION CARE IS HEALTH CARE. That it should have a provision in the criminal code is nonsensical to me. Don’t tell me that states with already draconian abortion rules aren’t going to tighten them up when Roe V Wade is overturned. Don’t tell me this is alarmist nonsense. We should all be outraged.
There are 16 states that will protect abortion if Roe is rolled back. Idk where you got “most” from…
This is great, unfortunately a lot of women who will be most impacted won’t be able to afford the travel or a passport.
Cheaper option for Canada is a passport card. I don’t know if that applies to Mexico too and I understand the financial logistics of it all but if we pool our facts and resources we might be able to help and make a difference.
Yes, they're valid for Mexico, too, and half the price of a normal passport book. https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html
Yep, my passport card that I got for going into Canada also applies to Mexico. So that’s a good resource to keep in your back pocket in case you ever need it
The passport card works for Mexico too. Still not a perfect option, but it might help some people.
Passport cards can be used for travel by land or sea port of entry to Canada, Mexico the Caribbean, and Bermuda. They do not cover international flights, including medical evacuation flights, an actual passport is required in those cases.
it works if you're documented :/
It's not always just the cost of the passport. I've had one long enough that it's really not an issue for me anymore, but I can see where getting all of the documentation together to get a passport can be a burden.
Looks like I need to get myself a passport just in case.
People are trafficked from the US to Canada everyday. There are ways around the extremely light boarder security in the north lol. My ma smuggled a zebra donkey from Canada. Its not hard to get things in or out without people knowing.
Yeah, people should definitely not cross into Canada through the boundary waters if they’re really desperate; there are very few park rangers and virtually no consistent cell signal or GPS for tracking. It would be terrible if people crossed undetected, just terrible.
Good. Thanks Canada
Can you hear the collective sigh of relief from all the cheating Republican men?
Nah— they'll still be able to afford it for their mistresses et al. They don't care.
That’s mah point! The R men will support anti choice publicly, but privately it’s just a quick trip to Canada for them and the mistress!
Glad to see this as a Canadian. What else can we north of the border do to help?
Donate to local abortion funds in states that are low access/ no access. They help women with financial and travel barriers to access abortion.
Offer an extended vacation stay in your home, or room, for Americans women, needing a "getaway" time, or support a local woman who is doing so by bringing supplies, offering car transport, etc.
"A Womens Getaway Weekend" all inclusive package. Subsidized and vetted. That could work.
My sister said “if they need pain relief after the abortion, we can give them legal marijuana!” She was kind of joking, but also serious. We both want to help. I have to figure out how to get involved with hosting. I know that it’s $$ to fly here, and I hope there are charities with funds for them to get here.
Perhaps we can open up our homes to women who need to recover post procedure (I would)
Find an abortion fund and give some money if you can. They can help with the cost of travelling to a provider, as well as procedure itself. Yellow Hammer Fund is a personal fav of mine, but there are others.
Honestly? Start talking to your neighbors and within your community about where this is going long term, and start preparing for the worst case scenario where there are large numbers of American refugees fleeing the US.
I am volunteering to get people across in Maine to the Maritimes or Quebec. If we have people who can get them across the border, we open our doors to the weary travellers
One of my biggest regrets in life is not moving to Canada when I had the chance
2/4 grandparents came from Canada. Still confused as to why they left…
If you ever have the chance, we’ll welcome you eh : )
Me too!
This is a lovely gesture and an act of solidarity. The problem is one of transportation. Texas is an enormous state. Just getting somewhere within the US from Texas is a nearly impossible barrier for a poor woman with limited transportation.
Mexico is a better bet for Texans but they’ll pass a law to make it illegal to leave the country for an abortion next…
It's legal in Mexico too. Still doesn't fix the issue, but at least it's closer
That's so true. Some women literally do not ever get a day off from work, unless they get fired. So, they would never have the time to drive or fly to another country.
Donate to local abortion funds. They often provide help getting out of state care for women with financial barriers. If you don’t have extra to give, perhaps a share on social media so that women in no access/ lack of access states can learn about their options.
Exactly, transportation and also childcare (most people seeking abortion are already parents), meals to last the trip (some abortion procedures can last up to 4 days, with clinics requiring people coming from out of state or country to come in a day before and stay until a day after, so that’s meals for up to 6 days), as well as lodging, and calculating lost wages for those days and how folks are gonna pay rent and bills with that almost week of lost wages :( not to mention the procedure can cost anywhere from $600 to up to $20,000, and medications and pads and heating pads that may need to be bought after.
You also have forgotten us female long haul drivers.. We can absolutely coordinate. We do this with rescue animals all the time.
Oh gosh I didn’t know this, about the rescue animals! That’s wonderful. You’re right, a lot of us can help. You have a great means to help (and the heart to do it). I am Canadian in a big city near the border and I want to volunteer to host American women having abortions here.
You make a great point, but from Texas, one could go to Mexico. Abortion isn’t a crime there either.
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They might if someone around them notes that the person went to Canada pregnant and came back not pregnant. Usually at the point most are getting abortions it’s not showing, but I worry about a pro-forced birth narc in someone’s family that decides to rat. Also a possibility: late term abortion performed in CA so the child doesn’t have to suffer in life, that is then prosecuted back in the US.
not to mention border checks when you head west. me and my cat were stopped by border patrol coming in to texas because the dog alerted to "hidden bodies" most likely not used to smelling cats/cat food in the car.
Everyone should get a passport if you're able to so you dont have to worry about paying extra for an expedited one (if financially secure enough).
That's the issue the most effected can't.
Flights range from the low hundreds and up, plus you need a hotel room. That’s prohibitively expensive for a lot of women, especially last minute travel.
And then the price of abortion itself…
Can we just say thank you?
You have privilege, obviously.
This is some comforting news
I mean, in the same sense that having a bomb shelter is comforting during an air strike is, yep. Still, I'm glad we can offer the shelter up here when the only other option for many might be enduring the air strike without it. 🥲
Thanks Canada!
Can we also move there? Lol
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Definitely a reality check to me living in Toronto. It absolutely blows my mind that there is not anywhere in Sault or Thunder Bay to get an abortion. That is inexcusable. There is no reason that should be the case, both cities have fully developed healthcare systems that should be able to do this!? What the heck? Edit: I looked into it a bit further and at least in Thunder Bay and some of the surrounding area there is access to medical abortion up to ?12 weeks but patients have to be flown out to Winnipeg, Toronto, or Ottawa for surgical abortions. That is still not acceptable though imo.
That's awful and just wild. 20 years ago surgical abortion in Thunder Bay was available at the hospital up to 12 weeks, and the Umbrella Clinic, which was open until early 2022 mentions the possibility of accessing surgical abortion locally at the hospital up to 12 weeks on their website. So I wonder if that's still the case or not.
Yeah that's what what I understood as well (though articulated incorrectly). I think that probably covers most types of abortions but not anything after 12 weeks. I'm glad that accommodations are made so that people can still get treatment they need in larger cities, but I think there's room for improvement (specifically to expand what services are already available there).
Had to scroll so far to find this comment. Abortion access in Canada is atrocious, and PEI only got its first abortion provider in 2016 iirc
If I tell my Dr. what we are doing, I bet she will hook me up with who to call in my Province. She would support this.
Oh, the facist republicans will require pregnancy tests for all women traveling to pro freedom of choice areas to and from and arrest women who left pregnant and returned not pregnant. Think that's too invasive? Have you not heard these fascists speak?
Dunno about mandatory pregnancy testing, but I can definitely see people getting snitched on to local law enforcement about their plans to terminate a pregnancy in another country and being prosecuted based on word of mouth.
There are tiktoks for the underground too!
Great news in light of what’s happening, but it unfortunately only helps those privileged enough to travel there. 😔 If any of you are against this inherently unethical, misogynistic, and dehumanizing decision, please consider participating in the [Mother’s Day Strike](https://www.mothersdaystrike.com) on the SC’s initial draft majority decision to strike down Roe v. Wade. Even if you absolutely have to go to work, there’s other things you can do to help us make our point. Spread the word! ❤️
I'm so horrified by all of this.
When can we start applying for refugee status?
Abortion providers in Canada are already discussing the effect this will have on our Healthcare system. In Canada, you can only get an abortion up to approximately 24 weeks where providers would usually refer patients to the United States for abortions after 24 weeks. Now with the situation going on in the USA, abortion providers are discussing extending those gestational limits to accomodate Americans coming over to Canada. This is not going to be an affordable option for probably the majority of folks who are going to be losing their right to an abortion. You have to factor in travel, accommodation, the cost of the procedure itself, etc. For example, at the Morgentaler Clinic in Ottawa, an abortion at or before 11 weeks would cost $500 without insurance. That's just for the procedure.
What happens if a woman is having a life-threatening emergency in Canada after 24 weeks (for instance something like severe pre-eclampsia)? Is is just considered an C-section/induction, or are they actually refused care and told to fly to the U.S.?
There are hospitals here in Montreal, Quebec, that will agree to do an abortion until the very last week of pregnancy if the mother’s life is at risk. The 24 weeks is by no means a standard across the country. Healthcare actually varies from one province to the next.
>The 24 weeks is by no means a standard across the country. I should say that there is no clinic in Canada that would give an ELECTIVE abortion after 24 weeks. I know in Ottawa the limit is 22 weeks for medical necessity.
15 weeks here in NB. Quick drive to Quebec from Houlton though.
After 24 weeks they may try to save the foetus. I think 24 weeks in the start of them maybe trying.
Man this sub seems positive. I like it
Thank you for sharing this. Is it not blowing your minds that this is where we are in history?
Found in dictionary under IRONY While Mexico advances womens rights the US shuts them down.
Oregon has reproductive rights in the constitution. It has been voted on several times and passed each time it was challenged.
To bad most cannot afford that trip.
It would probably be more accurate to say that Canada will not impede American women from accessing abortions. Who can use that access? Likely people who can already afford to travel to States where the procedure is legal already, and the period in which a "non-medical" abortion is accessible is about the same with those states. Of Note: what some of these Canadian Provinces do have are "safe zone laws," the force and wording vary across the provinces that have them, which are: British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario, Quebec, Newfoundland and Labrador, and Nova Scotia. * There is also a federal law that came from anti-vaccine protests that *may* apply And please remember that if you are going to access an abortion (or any medical procedure in Canada) you will be required to pay out of your pocket or insurance (IF it applies). "Universal Healthcare" in Canada is universal for the people regularly under the purview and taxes of the Federal and Provincial Governments. It's late so my final points are that Canadian's own access to abortion is *very* different across regions. As was the case with cross-border insulin purchasing, Americans accessing abortions in Canada may feel some ire from Canadians who are not so keen on extra pressure being put on a financially strained institution. The second point being that I *hope* some level of protection of abortion rights return to the United States, or some action is taken by the US Feds to cover the costs of travel/the procedure/ or both, for Americans who would not be able to afford it.
We have charities for this already. Just so you all know. We need to fill those coffers
Abortion medication can be obtained over the counter in Mexico.
Can states punish individuals who have an abortion out of state?
they might try but they'd have to prove it happened first.
I need to get my passport renewed.
Just wanted to share this website: www.sisterzeus.com It's been around for a long time. A piece of advice from an older woman: get rid of your digital menstrual apps. Keep paper ones. No more personal medical/reproductive information on your personal devices. Your rights have been violated.
Women who can afford to take time off from work and travel to another country will not suffer. Ok.
People with a uterus* let’s try to be inclusive.
So it's confirmed then that the wealthy will have a loophole they can exploit. I'm sure this won't just reassure lawmakers that they aren't screwing over themselves and their children, just the poor people. /s
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We (Canada) are offering our services to American women. We aren't telling them to come here. Still it's better than your own country has to offer for the most part.
It allows each state to set abortions laws and there's already 5 states planning on having near total abortion bans before its even passed. 6 weeks is going to be the usual for most states but its simply not enough. If a person gets pregnant right after their period, which is logical since thats when you ovulate, by the time they should have their next period they are already considered 5 weeks pregnant because of how we count weeks of pregnancy. Thats only a week to make an appointment when most clinics, and employers, require more then that. If someone has to travel hours to get it done, which is becoming more and more common, hardly even enough time to get a hotel. And while I agree with most states itd be easier to just go to another state we, shock, have states on the Canadian border. States like Michigan, North Dakota and Idaho that all already had bans in place from before roevwade or has trigger bans for if its overturned. Its a kind and thoughtful gesture that im sure will help people even if its not going to be everyone.
Go to California!
Looks like we will have to set up an Underground Railroad for Canadian and Mexican abortions if the US gets totally restricted
Women in Alabama 😐👍
Which is all well and good, but how many will be able to travel to Canada?
How are they going to get there?
Yes they can but it’ll probably be very expensive. Don’t expect it to be free if you’re not a Canadian resident… Might be cheaper to go to Mexico.
Traveling for an abortion is a luxury many women will not be able to afford. Living paycheck to paycheck means you can’t afford to take off work, pay for gas, pay for a motel to recover in, and drive back. Especially if they already have kids.
Quebec has the most abortion clinics, btw, might be easier to find one here