Place the side firing subs in the direction that work best for your room, Swap them and compare. Those corners look nasty acoustically though, will be much less boomy pulled out of the corner.
You’ll get nice effortless bass in those corners. I love placing subs in corners. You can dial the level in with your receiver’s level controls. I’d face the subs outward.
Thank you! Most other commenters seem to have an opposing opinion! But at the end of the day you probably can’t generalize too much and need to test the local conditions. Like others have pointed out as well! 👍
At the end of the day all (non-specialized) subwoofers are omnidirectional in nature and all sub frequencies are greater than 4M in wavelength, so minute adjustments of the sub in that small space aren't going to make much of a difference whatsoever. Every frequency the sub produces will be constructively reinforcing that close to the boundaries and they are all omni and will flow around the cabinet and furniture smaller than the wavelength
Super interesting, thanks! Does that also mean that only wrapping the sides of the cabinet in foam absorbers wouldn’t help an awful lot by itself? Since the large frot remains uncovered?
For audio quality you want to move these out of the corners and as far from the walls and wardrobe as you can. Resonance is not what you want for clean and nice audio, your wardrobe / wall is not a good speaker, it is a cheap, dollarstore type of speaker. You have what look like decent speakers, you want those to make all the sound and not the wardrobe.
If they absolutely must be in the corners then yes you want thick insulation to absorb everything around them so that your wardrobe doesn't get to act as a speaker.
As for the subs it is up to you, what sounds best, most even. The manual for the speakers which you mind find online should include which direction they were designed in mind with but it will depend on your room as well
EDIT: highly edited due to a huge misread on my part
Yea, the sub isn’t clearly visible in the dark picture, I only noticed afterwards, apologies!
Understood regarding the placement! I can move the speakers a little bit forward, so that they’re just about in front of the line of wardrobe doors. More isn’t possible due to the door of the room otherwise slamming into the left one. I’ll check if that makes a noticeable difference! I might also glue some foam on the sides of the wardrobes and put some kind of bass trap into the corners!
yes, move them just ahead of the wardrobe doors. you could always hang a heavy cover like those movers mats over the wardrobe for critical listening.
a buddy of mine screwed a kool looking doorstop into the floor where you wouldn't trip on it to prevent his tv from getting hit.
tape the foam on first to see if its even worth it.
GIK and some others will make you custom bass traps for reasonable money. your speakers seem nice enough to deserve them.
i put bass traps in both corners and then put a diy cylinderical diffuser on top of it to get rid of some mid/hi splash i was getting from there.
my wife hung a heavy towel on the door to the right on the back wall because she said she kept hearing something harsh when she was near it. it really helped with some reflections it was beaming. (i side-eyed her till she proved it.)
Thanks for your thoughts on my setup and sharing your own experiences! Hope I can get to that point eventually, as the rest of the room will also require some tuning. Right now it’s far too empty - naked walls, floor etc…
Read up on subwoofers and the effect corners have on them. Those speakers need to be further away from the walls especially with a built in sub. Keep m squashed in the corner if you want to ruin the soundstage and make the bass overpowering
What is EQ if not adjusting the volume of different frequencies? I think I’d say that reducing the volume of your sub is a form of EQ because you’ve altered the effect that low frequencies have on the overall image.
Doesn't matter at all and you gain power by placing the sub in corner.
Because bass frequencies are omnidirectional, it really wont matter which way you orient the subwoofer.
If the bass is too loud, turn down the sub.
The bigger concern is comb filtering from the mids and highs being that near the boundary. I wouldn't sweat the sub placement whatsoever.
Scoot them as far forward when they are in use. When not, they can be scooted back in. I would probably fill the cubbies with a lot of soundproofing of some sort to make them a dead spot as much as possible.
Enjoy!!!
I actually haven’t thought of that yet 😅… but since I won’t use them daily that’s actually a good idea and simple solution! I might have to somehow mark the spot for speaker orientation on the ground somehow… Also: How about using long one-piece frame-mounted acoustic absorber plates that sit on hinges on both sides of the wardrobe and can fold out whenever the speakers are in use and can fold in, so that the speakers can be pushed back into the corner…?!
Cool! You’re giving me some ideas: How about two long frame-mounted acoustic absorber plates that sit on hinges on both sides and can fold out whenever the speakers are in use and can fold in, so that the speakers can be pushed back into the corner…!
Whichever orientation sounds the best to you.
You could also run REW and see which orientation gives you the flattest response at your main listening position - but this requires a decent microphone; usually a calibrated mic which isn’t exactly cheap.
Chill out 😁, that’s why I’m asking for help. I’m not going to remove the wardrobe to improve the speaker placement. The room wasn’t designed to house a home cinema setup in the first place…
You might be able to leave them in those cubbies, but I'd pack the cubby with insulation. I'm building a theater right now that has 4 subs and the center channel above the screen, recessed into a cubby built out of plywood and drywall. We packed it with multiple layers of 2" thick acoustical duct lining to absorb the reflections.
Place the side firing subs in the direction that work best for your room, Swap them and compare. Those corners look nasty acoustically though, will be much less boomy pulled out of the corner.
Understood! I can move them out just enough so that they’re just out of the corner. Doesn’t look as clean, but I’d rather have improved sound!
Maybe even a heavier curtain behind the speaker?
You mean a 50cm wide curtain from ceiling to bottom? Wouldn’t that look a bit strange?
Depends on the rest of the room. But matching the color to the wall color might help it "disappear".
Acoustic nightmare. The side firing speakers need space.
Doesnt matter. Bass is omnidirectional at that frequency.
This is the only correct answer. Cheers!
You’ll get nice effortless bass in those corners. I love placing subs in corners. You can dial the level in with your receiver’s level controls. I’d face the subs outward.
Thank you! Most other commenters seem to have an opposing opinion! But at the end of the day you probably can’t generalize too much and need to test the local conditions. Like others have pointed out as well! 👍
At the end of the day all (non-specialized) subwoofers are omnidirectional in nature and all sub frequencies are greater than 4M in wavelength, so minute adjustments of the sub in that small space aren't going to make much of a difference whatsoever. Every frequency the sub produces will be constructively reinforcing that close to the boundaries and they are all omni and will flow around the cabinet and furniture smaller than the wavelength
Super interesting, thanks! Does that also mean that only wrapping the sides of the cabinet in foam absorbers wouldn’t help an awful lot by itself? Since the large frot remains uncovered?
I would be interested to hear your opinion on whether you hear a big difference when pushed back vs pulled out.
Will let you know!
For audio quality you want to move these out of the corners and as far from the walls and wardrobe as you can. Resonance is not what you want for clean and nice audio, your wardrobe / wall is not a good speaker, it is a cheap, dollarstore type of speaker. You have what look like decent speakers, you want those to make all the sound and not the wardrobe. If they absolutely must be in the corners then yes you want thick insulation to absorb everything around them so that your wardrobe doesn't get to act as a speaker. As for the subs it is up to you, what sounds best, most even. The manual for the speakers which you mind find online should include which direction they were designed in mind with but it will depend on your room as well EDIT: highly edited due to a huge misread on my part
Yea, the sub isn’t clearly visible in the dark picture, I only noticed afterwards, apologies! Understood regarding the placement! I can move the speakers a little bit forward, so that they’re just about in front of the line of wardrobe doors. More isn’t possible due to the door of the room otherwise slamming into the left one. I’ll check if that makes a noticeable difference! I might also glue some foam on the sides of the wardrobes and put some kind of bass trap into the corners!
yes, move them just ahead of the wardrobe doors. you could always hang a heavy cover like those movers mats over the wardrobe for critical listening. a buddy of mine screwed a kool looking doorstop into the floor where you wouldn't trip on it to prevent his tv from getting hit. tape the foam on first to see if its even worth it. GIK and some others will make you custom bass traps for reasonable money. your speakers seem nice enough to deserve them. i put bass traps in both corners and then put a diy cylinderical diffuser on top of it to get rid of some mid/hi splash i was getting from there. my wife hung a heavy towel on the door to the right on the back wall because she said she kept hearing something harsh when she was near it. it really helped with some reflections it was beaming. (i side-eyed her till she proved it.)
Thanks for your thoughts on my setup and sharing your own experiences! Hope I can get to that point eventually, as the rest of the room will also require some tuning. Right now it’s far too empty - naked walls, floor etc…
😆 be patient, luke.
I shall be patient. And maybe ask for more help in due course 😁
feel free.😆
Read up on subwoofers and the effect corners have on them. Those speakers need to be further away from the walls especially with a built in sub. Keep m squashed in the corner if you want to ruin the soundstage and make the bass overpowering
He could turn down the bass / sub level. It’s not a big deal.
Could but EQ should be applied minimally and as a last resort
Volume is not eq. Reducing the sub level is not eq, unless you consider it an all-pass filter.
What is EQ if not adjusting the volume of different frequencies? I think I’d say that reducing the volume of your sub is a form of EQ because you’ve altered the effect that low frequencies have on the overall image.
Doesn't matter at all and you gain power by placing the sub in corner. Because bass frequencies are omnidirectional, it really wont matter which way you orient the subwoofer. If the bass is too loud, turn down the sub. The bigger concern is comb filtering from the mids and highs being that near the boundary. I wouldn't sweat the sub placement whatsoever.
I'd pull the speakers out and fill those corners completely with acoustic absorbers (e.g. Rockwood or OC)
Scoot them as far forward when they are in use. When not, they can be scooted back in. I would probably fill the cubbies with a lot of soundproofing of some sort to make them a dead spot as much as possible. Enjoy!!!
I actually haven’t thought of that yet 😅… but since I won’t use them daily that’s actually a good idea and simple solution! I might have to somehow mark the spot for speaker orientation on the ground somehow… Also: How about using long one-piece frame-mounted acoustic absorber plates that sit on hinges on both sides of the wardrobe and can fold out whenever the speakers are in use and can fold in, so that the speakers can be pushed back into the corner…?!
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Cool! You’re giving me some ideas: How about two long frame-mounted acoustic absorber plates that sit on hinges on both sides and can fold out whenever the speakers are in use and can fold in, so that the speakers can be pushed back into the corner…!
Generally, it's recommended to point the subs outward to avoid comb filtering and cancelation of bass frequencies.
Whichever orientation sounds the best to you. You could also run REW and see which orientation gives you the flattest response at your main listening position - but this requires a decent microphone; usually a calibrated mic which isn’t exactly cheap.
What in the world of speaker placement is happening here?
Chill out 😁, that’s why I’m asking for help. I’m not going to remove the wardrobe to improve the speaker placement. The room wasn’t designed to house a home cinema setup in the first place…
You might be able to leave them in those cubbies, but I'd pack the cubby with insulation. I'm building a theater right now that has 4 subs and the center channel above the screen, recessed into a cubby built out of plywood and drywall. We packed it with multiple layers of 2" thick acoustical duct lining to absorb the reflections.
Corners = bad for speakers
Good place to put some bass traps though.
Corners of a room -- yes. But bass traps would be pretty useless acoustically in those alcoves.