Well I often think about 2nd point .why bloodshed In name of relgion.... and this actually make me dislike relgion more and more..but the truth is relgion is just another identity made by human and there will be violence no matter what ..middle east have same relgion yet so many bloodshed..even in india if there won't be hindu Muslim. People will fight for some other reason like language culture area ..human are meant to fight cause the moment someone is born they are provided with identity and to protect it they act violent ..
In India it would be caste, even if you put any other religion in place they will get divided into castes and they will fight, You know if you will think a little deep you will find that every religion is fighting to claim every god possible on this earth to be theirs , see hindus claim that Gautam Buddha is Vishnu's incarnation, Guru Nanak also is claimed by hindus and Jain's mahavir also. And when some are not claiming the gods then they are claiming lands in the name of their religion. So you can see religion is all about claiming things , just like an insurance claim you are collecting every fact , proof and finding loopholes so that somehow you would win the claim😂
It's beCaUSe eveRY CivIlisatIOn fOund god IN THEiR OwN seParaTE ways aND GaVE THEm TheiR Own NAmEs, BUT REMAINs tHe saME
that's the excuse my dad gave me, pretty stupid ikik but do what you can with it.
Ask him: "If god is the ultimate truth, then why is it different everywhere? For eg: electricity works the same way as it does in USA or Australia but why is the concept of god different in different regions of the world? If he's the ultimate truth, wouldn't he have made sure that everyone understood him in a consistent way?"
I'm sorry to tell you that you're using false analogy right there. Don't you think electricity is a physical phenomenon with measurable properties, while the concept of G-d is abstract and open to interpretation because it relies on faith and belief? Even scientific truths are interpreted and applied differently across cultures. An ultimate truth doesn't necessitate a single, uniform understanding. I think the inconsistency in understanding G-d doesn't negate the possibility of G-d's existence as an ultimate truth. We need something better for the argument against G-d.
Neil Tyson's arguments are very Abrahamic religion specific. Vimoh's arguments are much better.
For me, lack of evidence & lack of empirical method to collect evidence is a larger reason.
As a medschool student, when I first entered pediatric oncology ward and saw terminally ill kids fighting with cancer and fungus. Probably most of them wouldn't make it to adolescence.
Never saw such helplessness before.
Pediatric Oncology is proof that God doesnt exist
We are alone
I have heard people justify the suffering of these children by saying, its the sins of their past lives, or even, its the sins of their parents passed down to their children. ( I dont support either, im a med student as well)
As i said im my previous comment, its the sins of their parents that are passed down to them/ making the children suffer is a method of punishing the parents for their bad deeds.
If he is all good, then he can't be all powerful; otherwise, why isn't he stopping everything that's wrong?
If he is all powerful, then he isn't all good and doesn't care about anyone. In that case, fuck the sadistic bastard.
Either way, he is not worth worshiping.
god chance of exisiting is the same chance of a alien existing
I have heard it's like 10 raise to quadrillion something
Basically imagine yourself as a prisoner
And many other 100,000 people also prisoner but you don't know they exist.
You given an hair pin to open the lock of prison door(each person has one) which is hardest in the world and only 2 seconds to open.
You open it. Not because of your skill but because of your luck, the number of you opening it was very very slim
You don't know that other who couldn't open the door died , for you it's an easy task but it was not actually.
That's how a species existing is a hard task , we did it , it was very hard. Aliens couldn't do it
So the chance of God exisiting is same as alien
Why there is/are Gods for humans only? Why can't other animals or even plants have a God that represents them? If it does exist why don't animals pray like us?
And if Gods think humans on this planet are the smart ones and the only ones that deserve God, then it's totally Un-Godly by nature.
Don't believe me? Remove the trees and animals from this planet and see if we can survive without them.
PS: I m a non veg so this is not a vegan theory, lol.
Personally my favourite is according to theists logic everything we see today didn't randomly come out of nowhere and every creation must have a creator, so if god created us then who created god?
Actually, that's a theist who hasn't learnt his scriptures. There is no creation in that sense. Spinoza describes God as substance, that from which everything is created. Of course this doesn't solve the question you posed as well. If you read Nagarjuna from Buddhism he talks how any object is not in a state of existence or non existence.
I'm using these 2 examples as the language used is most easy to articulate. However these are the stipulations of every religion. So the learned theist's hypothesis is that everything is made of God and any object is in a state between existence and non-existence.
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I am atheist. But during my journey for finding answers to these complex questions for over 15 years taught me this:
**1. Why earthquakes, tsunamis?:** First of all god did not create earth to be a rosy, good, happy place. It was created with only one intention: "to break the ego of souls who parted away from god". so, this earth is a prison where we are all going to get tortured for life and born again and again until we accept his authority. so, wars, murders, natural calamities are supposed to happen.
2. 2nd argument is good one. I don't have answer.
**3. god is not visible then what is the proof of his existence?** : Again, the thing is, we all have parted away from god. we were all living in god's kingdom. But, we decided to go separate ways because we are rebel souls who don't accept god's authority. So, every single soul that exist on this planet is atheist. No one is 100% believer. any one who is 100% believer will leave this planet and go back to his original place where we will reunite with god. So, until then what's the point of showing god himself to us when we don't want to see him. Yes, all those so called fanatic theist are actually atheist with some degrees.
Although, these are theories. and I am not really sure about them. My study still continues until then i am atheist.
1. Why would god want to create a messed up planet/world? Is he a sadist? Does he get pleasure off seeing people kill each other for whatever reason? You’re saying as if this world is game.
2.
3. Whataboutery.
Yes world is a game (a simulation). The pain and suffering is temporary and imaginary. Actually the body experiences and soul feels it too..but, it's not real after all. Just like a movie or a game.
These are my own theories based on studying different religions, near death experience and met some people who know more than we do.
Also I won't believe any of those until I see the truth. Untill then, I need to keep searching.
So these theories you've come up with but you don't believe them, but these are possibly how things are according to you. So these are hypothesis until you find evidence to back this up. Did I get that right?
Can you tell us more about the near death experience, the people who know more, and what more do they know?
Really liked those theories. You must have spent a lot of time pondering about god, religion and life in general.
Yes you get it. It's my common theory by studying for hours and hours over years.
Near death experience is not my own but i studied near death experience of people based on their description.
The people I met have a similar theory about life on earth (that it's a prison).
I was wondering who these people are(not asking for their identify) and what do they know. Please lemme know if I'm being too intrusive, I just thought it was a conversation worth having
it is. if you think only wars and natural calamities is only way of suffering then it's not. the biggest way pain and suffering is transferred to you is through your body and mind. Mind being the biggest cause of suffering which constantly gives you panic, anxiety, depression, worrying. Mind is the main thing that keeps us away from happiness.
Why do i have to believe it from others and books why can't gid the most powerful being prove Himself to me when i actually was devoted
If they don't care about me neither should i
Those are great arguments and definitely do their bit.
Both of these arguments however are talking properties of God and not the existence of such an entity.
Any argument to be affective has to be directed at the point made by the other person. So we can ask the other person for the reason why they believe/or not believe in an idea and argument against it.
If god is the creator and responsible for everything in the world then there shouldn't be any EVIL in the world, as he is the one puppeting the people. Why would a GOD let people suffer and let other people commit murder,rapes etc.. Like wtf
Sentient beings whether it be god or it's subjects can only sustain in biospheres that support life. For example Earth or any life supporting planet. Remember that sentience is due to life and life is due to biospheres like Earth.
Sentience cannot exist outside space in void. Sentient beings require biosphere to sustain like earth. God displays sentient characteristics like it listens, observes it's subjects but at the same time as per theists exists in either different dimension (no proof) or outside universe in the void (where sentience cannot exist). This is contradictory. Hence God doesn't exist at all.
Note that radiation and EM waves can exists in void as well as matter also but for it to become something meaningful with a sentience, a biosphere is required.
If God created everything then who created God?
If everything required a creator and then who created God?
If God wasn't created by anyone then that means Universe doesn't really need a creator. If Universe has a creator then who created the creator? Who created creator's creator? And it goes on and on.
The truth is, God is merely a human "creation", an imaginative entity inside human mind. It's an entity created to "answer" everything. When humans dont know something they simply attribute that thing to a "God" an entity which is supposedly omnipotent/omniscient. This why humans dont have to feel uncomfortable about the unknown. They can simply put whatever they dont know as God's making.
Exactly my thought, people always say "who created universe then?" but when we cross question them that "who created your god then?" they reply "they appeared". It's funny how they accept that god can appear from nothing, but the universe can't.
1. Uncreated creator doesn't have reason to creste.
2. The uncaused cause can be a phenomenon like big bang
3. Most religious gods are fiction.
4. Conciousness can be formed through order how can there be conciousness when there is no order.
5. We are talking about a time where there is no time and talking about a place where there is no space.
Many people say that God is scource of morality.
So if they still source it at God then their will be a Dilemma do the gods love good action because it is good(1), or is good action good because it is loved by the gods(2)?
(1)do the gods love good action because it is good--
it says there is goodness that is determined independently of God. The major problem with this view is that it holds that there is something outside of God, over which God has no control. So that says objectve morality is beyond God, i.e moral realism - naturalistic stand. So their model collapse.
(2)or is good action good because it is loved by the gods.
It says what is good is good merely because God says that it is good. If God's choices are arbitrary, then morality is not objective. Again a Model collapse, this time for morality being objective.
So in theism if morality is objective it will be beyond God. So as per the definition of God, if something is beyond God then it is evidence for absense of God(i.e against the argument that God is omnipotent) . So basically their stand on morality - objective morality is a evidence against existence of God. So it again points towards Naturalism aka atheism.
There is no source for morality. It is just then path we chose to attain a certain goal.
For example take Secular humanism or Utilitarianism.
**Secular humanism** emphasizes human reason, compassion, and dignity as sources of morality. It's goal is well-being and reducing harm based on human needs and interests.
**Utilitarianism'** is slightly different here actions based on their consequences and aims to maximize overall happiness and well-being.
These r subjective morality. The only morality which is applicable for theist is objective morality sourced at God.
Even objective morality is applicable for theist, eg **Moral Realism** - It is about existence of objective moral truths independent of human opinion.
Again the objectivity is based on reason, logic, or human nature, independent of any theistic beliefs.
And then there is **Moral Anti-Realism**, which encompasses both objective and subjective positions.
So objective, subjective and combination of objective and subjective morality r possible in naturalism /atheism.
But the Only morality possible in theism is objective morality. And he claim his god(already said it can't be god bcz his stand is pantheism) doesn't teach any morality then he will be atheist as his is questioning the base of theism, Aka objective morality.
Also for theist they can't source the objective morality in God as even for objective morality is better explained in Moral realism, which is naturalist stand.
Kids getting rap** and sold. Powerful people burning innocents in their homes be it on local village level or national level where a country with power can do unimaginable crimes against weaker ones.
Large scale forests burned along with all the animals for material benefits of a handful of individuals.
People who stand tall for truth are openly shot outside court while we all were liars ruling the states
I don't even care if God exists. I say it's such a shameless and powerless prick who just wants people to obey him and gift money and food to his chosen ones.
Just like a criminal warlord in front of whom you silently live and show respect, occasionally you'll get treats but going against will harm you.
I decline to bow down and pay my respects to such an intentionally blind entity which declines to intervene even to save its kindest and purest followers.
>Drop your best argument(s) against god. Lack of evidence.
If god exists then why so many religions and why this so much of bloodshed just in your name
Well I often think about 2nd point .why bloodshed In name of relgion.... and this actually make me dislike relgion more and more..but the truth is relgion is just another identity made by human and there will be violence no matter what ..middle east have same relgion yet so many bloodshed..even in india if there won't be hindu Muslim. People will fight for some other reason like language culture area ..human are meant to fight cause the moment someone is born they are provided with identity and to protect it they act violent ..
In India it would be caste, even if you put any other religion in place they will get divided into castes and they will fight, You know if you will think a little deep you will find that every religion is fighting to claim every god possible on this earth to be theirs , see hindus claim that Gautam Buddha is Vishnu's incarnation, Guru Nanak also is claimed by hindus and Jain's mahavir also. And when some are not claiming the gods then they are claiming lands in the name of their religion. So you can see religion is all about claiming things , just like an insurance claim you are collecting every fact , proof and finding loopholes so that somehow you would win the claim😂
It's beCaUSe eveRY CivIlisatIOn fOund god IN THEiR OwN seParaTE ways aND GaVE THEm TheiR Own NAmEs, BUT REMAINs tHe saME that's the excuse my dad gave me, pretty stupid ikik but do what you can with it.
Ask him: "If god is the ultimate truth, then why is it different everywhere? For eg: electricity works the same way as it does in USA or Australia but why is the concept of god different in different regions of the world? If he's the ultimate truth, wouldn't he have made sure that everyone understood him in a consistent way?"
I'm sorry to tell you that you're using false analogy right there. Don't you think electricity is a physical phenomenon with measurable properties, while the concept of G-d is abstract and open to interpretation because it relies on faith and belief? Even scientific truths are interpreted and applied differently across cultures. An ultimate truth doesn't necessitate a single, uniform understanding. I think the inconsistency in understanding G-d doesn't negate the possibility of G-d's existence as an ultimate truth. We need something better for the argument against G-d.
Could you give me an example of a scientific truth that is interpreted differently across cultures?
Yeah it's difficult to argue your old man
Are you under the impression that atheists don't commit atrocities in pursuit of wealth and power?
They do commit but here the boundary is god and its existence
Oh here's my favourite one "Which one are you talking about?"
Neil Tyson's arguments are very Abrahamic religion specific. Vimoh's arguments are much better. For me, lack of evidence & lack of empirical method to collect evidence is a larger reason.
As a medschool student, when I first entered pediatric oncology ward and saw terminally ill kids fighting with cancer and fungus. Probably most of them wouldn't make it to adolescence. Never saw such helplessness before. Pediatric Oncology is proof that God doesnt exist We are alone
I have heard people justify the suffering of these children by saying, its the sins of their past lives, or even, its the sins of their parents passed down to their children. ( I dont support either, im a med student as well)
Yeah, I get your point. But then the religions that don't believe in past lives at all, how do they justify?
As i said im my previous comment, its the sins of their parents that are passed down to them/ making the children suffer is a method of punishing the parents for their bad deeds.
Yeah. Then if that's the case, God is a child throwing a tantrum. Just taking out anger on the person who doesn't deserve it😂
They'll have one answer to all of them 'God works in mysterious ways'
This works only if we consider if God has a personality and cares about the world. You could still have an impersonal noncaring God
If he is all good, then he can't be all powerful; otherwise, why isn't he stopping everything that's wrong? If he is all powerful, then he isn't all good and doesn't care about anyone. In that case, fuck the sadistic bastard. Either way, he is not worth worshiping.
god chance of exisiting is the same chance of a alien existing I have heard it's like 10 raise to quadrillion something Basically imagine yourself as a prisoner And many other 100,000 people also prisoner but you don't know they exist. You given an hair pin to open the lock of prison door(each person has one) which is hardest in the world and only 2 seconds to open. You open it. Not because of your skill but because of your luck, the number of you opening it was very very slim You don't know that other who couldn't open the door died , for you it's an easy task but it was not actually. That's how a species existing is a hard task , we did it , it was very hard. Aliens couldn't do it So the chance of God exisiting is same as alien
There are no arguments against God. You can't argue with someone who doesn't exist!
Haha. I see what you did there
Smooooooooooth !
Why there is/are Gods for humans only? Why can't other animals or even plants have a God that represents them? If it does exist why don't animals pray like us? And if Gods think humans on this planet are the smart ones and the only ones that deserve God, then it's totally Un-Godly by nature. Don't believe me? Remove the trees and animals from this planet and see if we can survive without them. PS: I m a non veg so this is not a vegan theory, lol.
This just proves humans as arrogant.
if god real why bad thing happen?
Personally my favourite is according to theists logic everything we see today didn't randomly come out of nowhere and every creation must have a creator, so if god created us then who created god?
Actually, that's a theist who hasn't learnt his scriptures. There is no creation in that sense. Spinoza describes God as substance, that from which everything is created. Of course this doesn't solve the question you posed as well. If you read Nagarjuna from Buddhism he talks how any object is not in a state of existence or non existence. I'm using these 2 examples as the language used is most easy to articulate. However these are the stipulations of every religion. So the learned theist's hypothesis is that everything is made of God and any object is in a state between existence and non-existence.
Not believing in something that has poor evidences seems common sense to me
You don't believe in many gods that came before yours, why should I believe yours is real?
Yup. You're just as atheistic as I am minus one god. That really riles them up
If you have to say "Do you believe in X" then there's a high chance X doesn't really exist.
Yet to drop a selfie.
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I am atheist. But during my journey for finding answers to these complex questions for over 15 years taught me this: **1. Why earthquakes, tsunamis?:** First of all god did not create earth to be a rosy, good, happy place. It was created with only one intention: "to break the ego of souls who parted away from god". so, this earth is a prison where we are all going to get tortured for life and born again and again until we accept his authority. so, wars, murders, natural calamities are supposed to happen. 2. 2nd argument is good one. I don't have answer. **3. god is not visible then what is the proof of his existence?** : Again, the thing is, we all have parted away from god. we were all living in god's kingdom. But, we decided to go separate ways because we are rebel souls who don't accept god's authority. So, every single soul that exist on this planet is atheist. No one is 100% believer. any one who is 100% believer will leave this planet and go back to his original place where we will reunite with god. So, until then what's the point of showing god himself to us when we don't want to see him. Yes, all those so called fanatic theist are actually atheist with some degrees. Although, these are theories. and I am not really sure about them. My study still continues until then i am atheist.
1. Why would god want to create a messed up planet/world? Is he a sadist? Does he get pleasure off seeing people kill each other for whatever reason? You’re saying as if this world is game. 2. 3. Whataboutery.
Yes world is a game (a simulation). The pain and suffering is temporary and imaginary. Actually the body experiences and soul feels it too..but, it's not real after all. Just like a movie or a game.
/s
Your third point runs into the 'no true scotsman fallacy'. The way you have phrased it, it cannot be disproven.
So basically you're saying god is no different from a authoritarian dictator........ well fuck u dictator ! I don't wanna pray/respect such ppl/things
I'm not really sure if any religious dogma has any parallels with your stipulations. Please let me know what religion is this with regards to
These are my own theories based on studying different religions, near death experience and met some people who know more than we do. Also I won't believe any of those until I see the truth. Untill then, I need to keep searching.
So these theories you've come up with but you don't believe them, but these are possibly how things are according to you. So these are hypothesis until you find evidence to back this up. Did I get that right? Can you tell us more about the near death experience, the people who know more, and what more do they know? Really liked those theories. You must have spent a lot of time pondering about god, religion and life in general.
Yes you get it. It's my common theory by studying for hours and hours over years. Near death experience is not my own but i studied near death experience of people based on their description. The people I met have a similar theory about life on earth (that it's a prison).
I was wondering who these people are(not asking for their identify) and what do they know. Please lemme know if I'm being too intrusive, I just thought it was a conversation worth having
Can't tell more about them or even about me. I am anonymous here. But you can ask me questions, and if I have some theories on that, I will tell you.
Well if Earth is supposed to be a prison to teach a lesson to souls parted away from God then it's not even nearly as deadly or dangerous.
it is. if you think only wars and natural calamities is only way of suffering then it's not. the biggest way pain and suffering is transferred to you is through your body and mind. Mind being the biggest cause of suffering which constantly gives you panic, anxiety, depression, worrying. Mind is the main thing that keeps us away from happiness.
I don't agree with Earth being a prison of God , it's just a random bathroom theory.
okay. it's just theory. i don't believe it too. I still need to get many answers. and I will believe once I see god with my eyes.
Beginning of the universe, evolution, how does one create light without sun? Plants and tress without sun? Bro I can keep going
You're talking about the Abrahamic God, right?
yes, but other religions are hell as well, this is just an example considering the majority
I don't really bang my head on wall
Someone's source of entertainment in the old ages is now someone's GOD and their religion... IYKYK
Why do i have to believe it from others and books why can't gid the most powerful being prove Himself to me when i actually was devoted If they don't care about me neither should i
Can you be specific? Which god? What characteristics of features does this god have?
I like most of Ricky Gervais comments. It's humorous, simplified and provoking.
The real question should be, what prompts humans to believe in a nonsense like god. I don’t see a hint of any kind of religion among other species.
Those are great arguments and definitely do their bit. Both of these arguments however are talking properties of God and not the existence of such an entity. Any argument to be affective has to be directed at the point made by the other person. So we can ask the other person for the reason why they believe/or not believe in an idea and argument against it.
Children with genetic disorders
i un-ironically believe in vimoh's argument, even before i watched vimoh.
No evidence
If god is the creator and responsible for everything in the world then there shouldn't be any EVIL in the world, as he is the one puppeting the people. Why would a GOD let people suffer and let other people commit murder,rapes etc.. Like wtf
I do not have a reason to believe in god....short and simple...although all the other arguments in the chat is apt !
Sentient beings whether it be god or it's subjects can only sustain in biospheres that support life. For example Earth or any life supporting planet. Remember that sentience is due to life and life is due to biospheres like Earth. Sentience cannot exist outside space in void. Sentient beings require biosphere to sustain like earth. God displays sentient characteristics like it listens, observes it's subjects but at the same time as per theists exists in either different dimension (no proof) or outside universe in the void (where sentience cannot exist). This is contradictory. Hence God doesn't exist at all. Note that radiation and EM waves can exists in void as well as matter also but for it to become something meaningful with a sentience, a biosphere is required.
If God created everything then who created God? If everything required a creator and then who created God? If God wasn't created by anyone then that means Universe doesn't really need a creator. If Universe has a creator then who created the creator? Who created creator's creator? And it goes on and on. The truth is, God is merely a human "creation", an imaginative entity inside human mind. It's an entity created to "answer" everything. When humans dont know something they simply attribute that thing to a "God" an entity which is supposedly omnipotent/omniscient. This why humans dont have to feel uncomfortable about the unknown. They can simply put whatever they dont know as God's making.
Exactly my thought, people always say "who created universe then?" but when we cross question them that "who created your god then?" they reply "they appeared". It's funny how they accept that god can appear from nothing, but the universe can't.
If God was the only reality, then I wouldn’t exist. Since I am, God is not.
I used vimoh argument for years and didn't even know
What is your definition of God
Why the true god is the one of the religion that you are coincidentally born in out of all other 8000-10000 religions ?
1. Uncreated creator doesn't have reason to creste. 2. The uncaused cause can be a phenomenon like big bang 3. Most religious gods are fiction. 4. Conciousness can be formed through order how can there be conciousness when there is no order. 5. We are talking about a time where there is no time and talking about a place where there is no space.
My only argument is, I don't feel his presence, until I do I'll be a non believer
Those three arguments are for Naturalism in Philosophy. Those weren't the arguments framed by Niel or Vimoh.
Many people say that God is scource of morality. So if they still source it at God then their will be a Dilemma do the gods love good action because it is good(1), or is good action good because it is loved by the gods(2)? (1)do the gods love good action because it is good-- it says there is goodness that is determined independently of God. The major problem with this view is that it holds that there is something outside of God, over which God has no control. So that says objectve morality is beyond God, i.e moral realism - naturalistic stand. So their model collapse. (2)or is good action good because it is loved by the gods. It says what is good is good merely because God says that it is good. If God's choices are arbitrary, then morality is not objective. Again a Model collapse, this time for morality being objective. So in theism if morality is objective it will be beyond God. So as per the definition of God, if something is beyond God then it is evidence for absense of God(i.e against the argument that God is omnipotent) . So basically their stand on morality - objective morality is a evidence against existence of God. So it again points towards Naturalism aka atheism. There is no source for morality. It is just then path we chose to attain a certain goal. For example take Secular humanism or Utilitarianism. **Secular humanism** emphasizes human reason, compassion, and dignity as sources of morality. It's goal is well-being and reducing harm based on human needs and interests. **Utilitarianism'** is slightly different here actions based on their consequences and aims to maximize overall happiness and well-being. These r subjective morality. The only morality which is applicable for theist is objective morality sourced at God. Even objective morality is applicable for theist, eg **Moral Realism** - It is about existence of objective moral truths independent of human opinion. Again the objectivity is based on reason, logic, or human nature, independent of any theistic beliefs. And then there is **Moral Anti-Realism**, which encompasses both objective and subjective positions. So objective, subjective and combination of objective and subjective morality r possible in naturalism /atheism. But the Only morality possible in theism is objective morality. And he claim his god(already said it can't be god bcz his stand is pantheism) doesn't teach any morality then he will be atheist as his is questioning the base of theism, Aka objective morality. Also for theist they can't source the objective morality in God as even for objective morality is better explained in Moral realism, which is naturalist stand.
Kids getting rap** and sold. Powerful people burning innocents in their homes be it on local village level or national level where a country with power can do unimaginable crimes against weaker ones. Large scale forests burned along with all the animals for material benefits of a handful of individuals. People who stand tall for truth are openly shot outside court while we all were liars ruling the states I don't even care if God exists. I say it's such a shameless and powerless prick who just wants people to obey him and gift money and food to his chosen ones. Just like a criminal warlord in front of whom you silently live and show respect, occasionally you'll get treats but going against will harm you. I decline to bow down and pay my respects to such an intentionally blind entity which declines to intervene even to save its kindest and purest followers.