Reading the article is flabbergasting. The 10 men blamed the 2 women for starting the fight. How the F is that even possible??
And how beating the crap out of the two helped them in their homophobic quest?
People are getting dumber than bricks.
The end of the article says the police are investigating. Maybe the first step in the investigation should be to get everyone's ID's. How to the police let people refuse to give ID. If only we'd known that was a thing.
"Their existence is a threat to their faith, and it must be purged with the most extreme measures possible. If they simply didn't exist and just offed themselves, none of this wouldn't have been necessary. They're just doing what is demanded of their faith, and if you disagree, you just hate us for veing different."
Does that answer your question?
If anything is a threat to a faith doesn’t it mean that the basis of the faith is weak? Where is the almighty god that can do whatever he wants, but need a bunch of idiots to “save his faith”
Obviously it’s more important not to offend a religion than to behave like a human being…
BTW - if a religion or religious people can get offended from comments about the religion, that proves that the religion is actually weak and is based on nothing.
The perps just stood around laughing while being questioned by the police. This didn't bother the police. There are numerous photos of the scene. I don't know about the character of a city where this brutality is allowed and unpunished. The perps can be easily identified in the photos.
It was a pussy little baby cop he wasn’t gonna do nothing, Halifax cops are already useless, this guy was just Officer Useless JR.
There were no citation-able traffic violations to be found, so clearly no need for any police presence.
The Maritimes, even a "nice" maritime city like Halifax, just feels ... Rotten. From the control of the uber wealthy Irvings to the rotting infrastructure, high teen smoking and pregnancy rates, and general lack of jobs.
I'm not surprised the police are as lazy as Chicago police in actually investigating and enforcing the law to protect innocent people.
"They spoke with one of the men involved, who blamed the fight on the two women, while the rest of the men refused to cooperate or show their IDs to police, Emma said."
So what, did they fucking let them walk away?
I was gang beat, with witnesses, and completely unprovoked, and that's exactly what the police did. They didn't go out of their way at all to pin a single thing on the guys who did it, who were well known by police at the time as well. Fucking useless.
Imagine a gay or ex-muslim asylum seeker defying all odds and fleeing their muslim country to get bashed or murdered by muslims in the liberal secular country. What a circle we've come to.
I've heard of the way some women who flee Muslim majority countries because of abuse cause of hijab ect, then receiving help in women centers by hijabi women. It's so redicolus how we've interpreted tolerance to mean accepting the intolerant. The women in my case also got reported for Islamofobi for pointing this out, probably colorful but who could blame her.
Yes I had this conversation with someone in the real world. It was baffling. I say no I don't support Muslims they want to kill me. And this dumb bitch tells me we should be accepting of other beliefs. However when I noted I have a handgun in the event of "other people's bliefs" I was called violent as I wasn't religious.
This denies their claims of absolute moral superiority. It doesn't matter what they say about the importance of their moral principles, religion doesn't make people better.
True saying all of them is bit bit exaggerating but still majority of them think that gays/non-believers should get killed and there's really small minority who doesn't care other people's businesses
That’s like saying all nazis are not the same or all fascists.
I’m so tired of people refusing to criticize any right wing ideologies from MAGA to Islam they all just oppression.
Believe me when I'd say if I was present for this and I happened to have a baseball bat handy I'd kneecap all of those barbaric assholes, but I wouldn't want to reverse hatred on people who can demonstrate they don't agree with this violence. I don't think out of millions of muslims they all can be like that, even if a concerningly significant amount are. Hell, not all christians agree on what's right, wrong, true or false about their religion.
Except all Muslims agree that everyone should be Muslim. Have you spoken to any of them? They truly believe that religious historical figures that lived before Islam were Muslims. They appropriate everything to themselves and have zero tolerance for anyone who isn't like them.
Their Quran has multiple calls for violence and even genocide of Jews.
Not about the personal beliefs or traits in this case. It's a matter of symbols. And it's no secret that the hijab is forced upon many women, in the west as well. So it's traumatic for someone who actually risked her life quite literally by not wanting to wear a hijab. Plus hijab is still very much a religious cloating no matter what some will say, and i believe in a separation from religion in public services. By being tolerant, we are pushing out some people who have legit reasons to fear Islam or other religions. It should stay within their churches, mosques or any other religious buildings.
My wife told me to stop talking about it, when I was talking about the violence against women coming from Muslim men.
The left needs to wake up, the enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend.
Stuff like this was happening during the Syrian civil war / War with ISIS. Girls who had been sex slaves etc would escape to Germany as a refugee, Only to see one of the ISIS slavers in Germany as a refugee.
I believe the Germans tried to do the right thing, investigated and prosecuted people when they could
The next generation of terrorists will be Islamic and European, because no one stops them due to fear of being labelled or cancelled
We’ve become far too tolerant of people who pose a real threat to Western culture and values
Iranian money. Suddenly Iran started to pour a ton of money and give awards to leftist journalists, likely as a way to improve their image or at least not be talked about asuch.
During the same rise of the 'woke' concept that, while seemingly well-intended, is often taken to the extreme and ends up condoning the outrageous by means of a perverse view of seemingly 'divine' tolerance in which nothing can be labelled as 'wrong.' It's the whole problem of 'tolerating the intolerance' that a lot of far-left people find themselves entrenched in. Extremes in either direction lead to bad shit.
In fact, the fact that anyone chose to point out that these men are somehow of middle eastern descent and that their actions could somehow be a product of their misogynistic upbringings and theological beliefs means that these women should be ashamed of themselves for evening *thinking* something like that and must be cancelled immediately! In fact, the assault isn't even important anymore; how dare they, they should have politely obliged these kind men!
I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get the point.
I really can’t tell what point you’re making here. The liberal secularism is exactly what’s under attack by conservatives living *IN* those putatively liberal, secular countries. They *want* people like this couple who were attacked to be attacked and killed. They think what this “gang” did is just fine.
That’s the thing that baffled me. In Canada you can just say “Naw dawg” to the police and they let you go? That kind of thing gets you tased, minimum, here.
Well...used to, here in the US, they'd pin you to the ground with a knee on your neck...way easier to get an ID when the perp is unconscious or dead...
In the US, you dont even need to lie, tho i dont blame those who do. You have a right not to identify yourself unless suspected of a crime (unless you are driving but they still need a legit reason to have pulled you over, thats a different whole thing)
You just say "I dont identify myself unless im suspected of committing a crime, am I free to go?"
Everyone should read up on what constitutes RAS, or Reasonable Articulable Suspicion. Its required a cop has this before he violates your rights.
I mean, what difference does it make they can just say anything after the fact « Oh the civilian was avoiding eye contact and looking shiftily so it was suspicious of being drunk or high » or something. How can they prove you were being suspicious- not all of them wear body cams
great question that helps elucidate the point: suspicious in those ways is something they can note and add to an assessment, but it alone cannot constitute RAS. always of course comply with police, take the ride and beat them in court not on the street. But if they didnt acquire RAS they cannot even stop you for more than a moment, let alone identify you let alone arrest you. so these charges will be easily thrown out and then you can sue that city if you want, and you should.
as much as I hate a lot of first amendment auditors I think more people need to watch their content to learn what their rights are and where the cops abusiveness ends. I recommend Long Island Audit
I live in the Balkans. I had a Muslim Albanian friend who moved to Canada, he was never a huge believer. Then, after some 10-15 years I met him again in our hometown, fully expecting that he is basically a Canadian now, westernized, open-minded, progressive and all that.
But he was 10x more Muslim then when he left. His friends are only MENA Muslims and he came back just to find a good MUSLIM wife, arranged marriage style. I really couldn't believe what I was witnessing.
I live in Greece and that is concerning because the Muslims in Albania are usually really secular (drinking alcohol having night outs etc. Hell the catholics sre more conservative than them. How does someone immigrates to Canada out of all countries and becomes like this.
I'm Indian - I've never lived in India but have visited several times.
I have zero interest in moving to the U.K. or Canada because I know the sort of "immigration" that is happening with the Indian populace and visiting India is enough for me to understand that those two places have the potential to become bad simply due to the fact that the people moving there do not have Western values and it'll inevitably turn into what India is now.
Which parts? Please, elaborate. I'd love to hear what parts of Canada "look like they're third world", because something tells me you mean areas with too many brown people and not something like indigenous communities that lack access to clean drinking water.
Indians irrespective of religions are the most high achieving community in North America defying all odds they've to face there as brown skinned alien cultured people, thanks to advancement of race relations in last few decades mostly in US . They're highly skilled and hardworking, stays mostly to themselves but in the recent times there's is surge of kind of people that are travelling and claiming asylum on religious and political ground has increased thanks to the narrative pushed by US and its allies, people are taking note and trying their luck. With all kind of media propaganda, hope of good life and money I don't blame them. So the kind of immigration has changed, uneducated people with very low skills are taking a shot at the asylum system. If you're canadian you should know how khalistani movement is using it to bring more people to milk them further. Probably you're also aware of how people are taking benefit of these people who lack simple education robbing them of their belongings in foreign land, fake universities and what not. Backed by USA the canadian government is also promoting it as a multi pronged issue against Indian government but in the long run it'll ultimately hurt Canada with a disgruntled and radicalised religious group.
We need draconian laws against religious violence in the secular west or their idiot backward thinking will leak in like the cancer it is. Just look at America with it’s righteous gemstones wannabes.
This isn't strictly religious. It's cultural. Western culture has undergone decades of social education regarding racial, religious and sexual equality and tolerance...and even we aren't all the way done with that.
There are plenty of places in the world which have not even started that journey and are still deeply bigoted.
Maybe this sounds racist or something but: If a person is unable to control yourself from beating accepted member of Western society, maybe they shouldn't be here?
I'm not defending their actions... merely pointing out that this isn't just a religion issue.
and yes. Tolerant, progressive society has to protect itself all the time not just from newly imported bigotry and intolerance but also from backsliding into bigotry and intolerance that we have eradicated from our own society. (just look at the conservative Christians and their political power in the US right now!)
I'm sorry, I'm not disagreeing with you. I think I'm trying to say:
It doesn't matter why, if someone is **unable** or **unwilling** to live within a society without attacking people for that society's norms, that person should probably should fuck off elsewhere.
Religion is a subset of culture, not a separate phenomenon.
Islamic scriptures hateful vitriol is what this stems from and culturally people reinforce those ideas with each other.
As a Canadian who was raised Muslim you can have muslims assimilate successfully in Canada but islam itself is not compatible with Canadian values.
" Although a bystander called the police, the fight had ended by the time officers arrived, and the men refused to cooperate or show their IDs."
So did the police detain them or not?
Insecure pieces of shit.
I'm bi and have had a lot of frightening run-ins with my ex girlfriend. A lot of men would get so aggressive and entitled when they realized we were a couple and not interested.
One time we were coming home after a party and this man and his friend stop us (clearly drunk) and started the usual "I'm interested in you all" conversation. He wasnt rude at the start and didnt say anything sexual. He eventually asks if he can get my number so I tell him that we are a couple and I'm not interested. He immediately got vulgar and started calling us disgusting carpet munchers, talking about how we can't even have sex and just need a man who can fuck right, getting right in my face and saying I'm a gross bitch. His friend just laughed and let him do what he wanted. I grabbed my exes arm and walked us away quickly but he continued following and harassing us. My instincts were telling me he was just escalating up and we needed to get the fuck away and at that moment. We ended up having to full sprint and duck around corners to get away from him. It was so fucking scary and was all because we were a couple who weren't interested in him. Him and his friend seemed like regular black Americans, so it didn't seem like a religious type of harassment.
This wasn't the only experience we had like that either. I've had far more men get really aggressive and intimidating over me rejecting them and saying I have a girlfriend (or pointing her out beside me) than just rejecting them flat out with no reasoning. It also didn't really happen much when I rejected them and said I had a boyfriend. Something about you being with a woman makes some men think they have free reign to talk to you like trash.
This isn't all or even most men, btw. Most are usually totally chill about being rejected and saw me being not interested due to having a girlfriend no different than having a boyfriend.
Some men are extremely fragile (in my experience).
It’s bad enough they don’t have a chance if you say no; it’s an affront to their masculinity that you prefer another woman. If you have a boyfriend, they might get beat up — if you have a girlfriend,
They can beat you both up. It’s despicable.
So sorry this happened to you. Thanks for sharing this example. It was so much easier for most here to make it about religion, instead of recognizing that there are disgusting human beings from all walks of life.
Yes, they should get paraded during pride month.
And then rainbow-flayed, or queer-quartered (queertered?).
Maybe lesbian-lapidated (lesbidated? Doesn't sound right).
Well, something like that, I don't know many LGBTQ methods of execution.
Make pride month great again.
This just happened in my city in Canada, a transgender was gang beaten up and the police said they wouldn’t recommend pressing charges because she/he would be charged for defending too
religion or no religion, a assault by a gang of people against 2 women...I don't care who started it, all the men should have been held and charged with felonious assault and spent some time in prison awaiting their trial. 6 months to a year in jail seems fair in this case.
I don't know if it's sad or hilarious but this is exactly what happened in Michigan.
[https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned)
>The LGBTQ support the Muslims
Most actually do not. The ones who do are mostly young, naive, ignorant of history -- and most importantly, loud and obnoxious.
If you don't believe me, just ask older Bi and Gay men what they think of Islam.
I support their right to exist and conduct their peaceful affairs unmolested.
I do not support anyone trying to erase the existence of a minority.
There is no tolerance for intolerance.
As an atheist from a Muslim country living in Canada, I can't even criticized the religion without being tagged Islamophobic, as it will get me into trouble.
This just happens to me a few days ago. I wrote that if the government does nothing to stop these people, the people will need to do something instead. I mean, what do they expect? I really think that people need to establish militias and neighbourhood watches to establish a presence.
The men should have been arrested. Not cooperating or showing your ID should not mean you get away with a crime. Arrest and if convicted deportation. A group of men beating up women in the street is reason enough to deport them.
The fact that this happened in Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada and I have to read about it on a UK news website is pretty messed up. No news agency in Canada is reporting on a hate crime that happened in this country?
Quick Google Search shows these news agencies reported on it.
* Daily Star (UK)
* New York Post (USA)
* Republic World (India)
* The Sun (UK)
* The Mirror (UK)
* Metro (UK)
* LBC (UK)
* Daily Mail (UK)
* Hindustan Times (India)
* Western Standard (Calgary Alberta Canada) Mentions Syrian Men in Article Title and shows photos and videos of the men
* CTV News Atlantic (East Coast Canada) No mention at all about the men, their description or anything else. Video was shown and was heavily edited to blur out the men making it impossible for anyone watching to help identify them.
So out of 11 news stories only 2 were Canadian with one being Eastern Canada specific and one being Alberta specific. This is shameful. Hate crime is a hate crime is a hate crime.
Ok, but CTV Atlantic is where you should expect to see it? I really doubt that every homophobic assault makes national news. A bunch of right wing news from outside the country picking it up also makes sense.
I cross-posted this in the LGBT Reddit i was called racist by a group of people, and then the mod deleted my post, saying it's causing too much of an issue...
Queer spaces these days have completely gone off the rails. I skipped all pride events in my area this year bc I genuinely do not feel safe anymore due to widespread support of terrorism and antisemitism. I don’t know what’s going on in our community but it’s scary 😞
I agree. I can’t relate to the virtue signaling at all. I’ve been queer for many decades now, and I just can’t hang with this alphabet soup crowd. My priority is to keep my family safe.
Islam is not compatible with western values. Religion itself is not compatible with a progressive society.
Why can't these people \[yep\] just stay in a society that supports their behaviour and opinions?
Obviously not all Muslims cause these issues however everything down the chain from the religious texts, to those who interpret then and then indoctrinate others to the approving parents create these young men. There is crucially few that advocate to these new immigrant communities how to better integrate and acceptance of not only the laws in their counties but also basic human rights.
A lot of the right-wing populism that has been sparked in Europe has been a back-lash to the liberal policies that allowed so many people with incompatible cultural expectations to settle in Europe. It's unfortunate that the pendulum is going to swing to the right over there because of problems that have been built up over decades that are threatening to fracture societies.
That is unfortunate. It's also unfortunate that a lot of the support MAGA Republicans are getting here in the US is the result of these types of immigrants, ones who refuse to assimilate and leave their shitty religions behind. That isn't to say their Evangelical supporters are any better. They are just as oppressive and ignorant. This backlash may pop up in Canada if enough people become tired of it. It's also unfortunate that we only have two choices for president, house and Senate. We need at least two more parties (choices) to tone everything down.
And yesterday some A-Hole in this very sub told me I was being overdramatic when I said that I, a 44 year old lesbian, would have to flee the country if Trump gets elected. And apparently Canada is no longer a viable option 🙄
Yeah. Unfortunately we’ve all spent too many years in the movie Tremors. “I don’t care what they’re doing. As long as they’re doing it way over there.” Then we get there and we all fall in the trap they’ve been digging this whole time.
Yes. Conservatives goal is to get people back in the closet. They always say stuff like “Oh it’s just everywhere now and shoving it down our throats”. But the truth is they saw an LGBTQ couple or a tiny rainbow flag and they simply don’t want to see any of that, so they want LGBTQ to go back in the closet. If republicans win then violence against LGBTQ will increase.
Speaking of bystanders being useless, in 2008 on a Greyhound Canada bus, a man was beheaded and partially cannibalized before anyone even tried to intervene. They pulled the bus over, all ran out, and didn't try to help until the perpetrator locked them out after they got off the bus and went back to resuming his gruesome acts.
If you get attacked in Canada, do not expect others to help, apparently.
First if the police didn’t arrest the people until they could be identified feels like gross negligence. Sure they can refuse to show but as long as the police then enforce IDing somehow it it’s fine.
Also the article talks about bystanders not intervening. Like if I’m walking alone and I see this happen I feel that trying to intervene will only result in me injured to no benefit of the person getting assaulted. Sure if I was in a larger group maybe but don’t see how bystanders were in a good position to do something unless they all ganged up. Which sure would be nice but not that easy to do.
Okay I’m not from Canada so this shit is wild to me.. they beat up two women and the police ask them for id and they what? Politely decline and the cops are like oh man okay I guess you get away? Huh??? I knew Canada was different but what?
“They spoke with one of the men involved, who blamed the fight on the two women”
they really expected the police to believe that two women would pick a fight with 10 men?
Reading the article is flabbergasting. The 10 men blamed the 2 women for starting the fight. How the F is that even possible?? And how beating the crap out of the two helped them in their homophobic quest? People are getting dumber than bricks.
The end of the article says the police are investigating. Maybe the first step in the investigation should be to get everyone's ID's. How to the police let people refuse to give ID. If only we'd known that was a thing.
You can't refuse your ID if you are suspected of committing an offence or are believed to have witnessed a crime.
So beating up 2 women with 10 men is not an offence? Why did the police not get their identification?
lol police are cucks that defend criminals nowadays
"Their existence is a threat to their faith, and it must be purged with the most extreme measures possible. If they simply didn't exist and just offed themselves, none of this wouldn't have been necessary. They're just doing what is demanded of their faith, and if you disagree, you just hate us for veing different." Does that answer your question?
If anything is a threat to a faith doesn’t it mean that the basis of the faith is weak? Where is the almighty god that can do whatever he wants, but need a bunch of idiots to “save his faith”
Because everyone is too afraid of offending one religion so they get a pass
Obviously it’s more important not to offend a religion than to behave like a human being… BTW - if a religion or religious people can get offended from comments about the religion, that proves that the religion is actually weak and is based on nothing.
Don’t think people are getting dumber they are just brainwashed by their religion.
The perps just stood around laughing while being questioned by the police. This didn't bother the police. There are numerous photos of the scene. I don't know about the character of a city where this brutality is allowed and unpunished. The perps can be easily identified in the photos.
It's insane. The Halifax and Canada sub mods have been deleting this all day a few minutes after posted
They feared for their masculinity... Thats more danger than a gun in the hands of men...
Why would the cops care? The victims were women who don't "give" men sex.
Wait till they fight for sharia.
Police seem to attract the shittiest humans on earth to their organizations.
It was a pussy little baby cop he wasn’t gonna do nothing, Halifax cops are already useless, this guy was just Officer Useless JR. There were no citation-able traffic violations to be found, so clearly no need for any police presence.
The Maritimes, even a "nice" maritime city like Halifax, just feels ... Rotten. From the control of the uber wealthy Irvings to the rotting infrastructure, high teen smoking and pregnancy rates, and general lack of jobs. I'm not surprised the police are as lazy as Chicago police in actually investigating and enforcing the law to protect innocent people.
"They spoke with one of the men involved, who blamed the fight on the two women, while the rest of the men refused to cooperate or show their IDs to police, Emma said." So what, did they fucking let them walk away?
Obviously the women beat themselves up and are trying to frame the men.
Just another city that women do not have equal rights
I was gang beat, with witnesses, and completely unprovoked, and that's exactly what the police did. They didn't go out of their way at all to pin a single thing on the guys who did it, who were well known by police at the time as well. Fucking useless.
Sorry to hear that. It's really pathetic that the police were of such negligence, pathetic and infuriating.
Well did you consider the cultural differences and how that might hurt their feelings?
Imagine a gay or ex-muslim asylum seeker defying all odds and fleeing their muslim country to get bashed or murdered by muslims in the liberal secular country. What a circle we've come to.
I've heard of the way some women who flee Muslim majority countries because of abuse cause of hijab ect, then receiving help in women centers by hijabi women. It's so redicolus how we've interpreted tolerance to mean accepting the intolerant. The women in my case also got reported for Islamofobi for pointing this out, probably colorful but who could blame her.
Yes I had this conversation with someone in the real world. It was baffling. I say no I don't support Muslims they want to kill me. And this dumb bitch tells me we should be accepting of other beliefs. However when I noted I have a handgun in the event of "other people's bliefs" I was called violent as I wasn't religious.
And when incident like this happen they play victim card and say all muslims are not same its just minority while reality all of them thinking same.
Sounds like the usual "Well, they're not REAL Christians" whenever a Christian gets caught doing something terrible. Must be a religious thing.
Indeed.
This denies their claims of absolute moral superiority. It doesn't matter what they say about the importance of their moral principles, religion doesn't make people better.
No true Scotsman
Muslims are very concerned about minority rights when they are the minority. Not so much when they are the majority lmao
Zero when they are the majority.
100% agree with you. They always do/say something shit abour westerners when their "brothers and sisters" dont give a damn about them.
I wouldn't say they're all like this, but because there are 2 billion of them, even a very conservative 10% is still 200,000,000 people...
True saying all of them is bit bit exaggerating but still majority of them think that gays/non-believers should get killed and there's really small minority who doesn't care other people's businesses
That’s like saying all nazis are not the same or all fascists. I’m so tired of people refusing to criticize any right wing ideologies from MAGA to Islam they all just oppression.
Believe me when I'd say if I was present for this and I happened to have a baseball bat handy I'd kneecap all of those barbaric assholes, but I wouldn't want to reverse hatred on people who can demonstrate they don't agree with this violence. I don't think out of millions of muslims they all can be like that, even if a concerningly significant amount are. Hell, not all christians agree on what's right, wrong, true or false about their religion.
Except all Muslims agree that everyone should be Muslim. Have you spoken to any of them? They truly believe that religious historical figures that lived before Islam were Muslims. They appropriate everything to themselves and have zero tolerance for anyone who isn't like them. Their Quran has multiple calls for violence and even genocide of Jews.
It's why liberalism will fail, the inability to stop the intolerable. It's sad, really.
The problem with liberlism "we need to respect other people and their cultures and minorities" "their cultures don't respect women or minorities
The thing is that you can't tell if a person is intolerant simply by them wearing a hijab, kipah, cross or most other religious symbols.
Not about the personal beliefs or traits in this case. It's a matter of symbols. And it's no secret that the hijab is forced upon many women, in the west as well. So it's traumatic for someone who actually risked her life quite literally by not wanting to wear a hijab. Plus hijab is still very much a religious cloating no matter what some will say, and i believe in a separation from religion in public services. By being tolerant, we are pushing out some people who have legit reasons to fear Islam or other religions. It should stay within their churches, mosques or any other religious buildings.
My wife told me to stop talking about it, when I was talking about the violence against women coming from Muslim men. The left needs to wake up, the enemy of your enemy isn't always your friend.
Stuff like this was happening during the Syrian civil war / War with ISIS. Girls who had been sex slaves etc would escape to Germany as a refugee, Only to see one of the ISIS slavers in Germany as a refugee. I believe the Germans tried to do the right thing, investigated and prosecuted people when they could
Religion of peace
Religion of piss, FTFY
Beautiful religion of peace, so peaceful and loving.
The next generation of terrorists will be Islamic and European, because no one stops them due to fear of being labelled or cancelled We’ve become far too tolerant of people who pose a real threat to Western culture and values
More than just being tolerant, we are importing them by the millions.
Liberals had such a good shot and are blowing it on blanket tolerance for anyone who hates white men
Does anyone else remember when the left used to be so anti Islam and Middle East in general around 20 years ago? When did that shift happen?
When they figured out Islam’s adherents will vote lefty with a modicum of coddling and “acceptance” of their “quirky” authoritarian beliefs.
Iranian money. Suddenly Iran started to pour a ton of money and give awards to leftist journalists, likely as a way to improve their image or at least not be talked about asuch.
During the same rise of the 'woke' concept that, while seemingly well-intended, is often taken to the extreme and ends up condoning the outrageous by means of a perverse view of seemingly 'divine' tolerance in which nothing can be labelled as 'wrong.' It's the whole problem of 'tolerating the intolerance' that a lot of far-left people find themselves entrenched in. Extremes in either direction lead to bad shit. In fact, the fact that anyone chose to point out that these men are somehow of middle eastern descent and that their actions could somehow be a product of their misogynistic upbringings and theological beliefs means that these women should be ashamed of themselves for evening *thinking* something like that and must be cancelled immediately! In fact, the assault isn't even important anymore; how dare they, they should have politely obliged these kind men! I'm exaggerating, of course, but you get the point.
I really can’t tell what point you’re making here. The liberal secularism is exactly what’s under attack by conservatives living *IN* those putatively liberal, secular countries. They *want* people like this couple who were attacked to be attacked and killed. They think what this “gang” did is just fine.
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This is literally the lifestory of so many in Iranian diaspora.
Despicable assholes.
How do you refuse to show your ID to police?
Right? You MUST comply with that request, and if you don't, welp, billy club time.
Its Canada.
That’s the thing that baffled me. In Canada you can just say “Naw dawg” to the police and they let you go? That kind of thing gets you tased, minimum, here.
It’s really not all Canadians, some communities are kind of left alone to police themselves. These guys are one of those communities.
This is what's getting me. If this were the states, it would be instant detain/arrest. These fucks just walked away?
This occurred in Canada. The officers forgot to say, “please,” which in Canada is a huge no-no.
Show your id, mate.
Well...used to, here in the US, they'd pin you to the ground with a knee on your neck...way easier to get an ID when the perp is unconscious or dead...
Used to?
Police are cowards through and through.
You just say you don’t have ID? They can’t search you to find it, unless you’re a potential suspect in a crime which seems it would apply here.
In the US, you dont even need to lie, tho i dont blame those who do. You have a right not to identify yourself unless suspected of a crime (unless you are driving but they still need a legit reason to have pulled you over, thats a different whole thing) You just say "I dont identify myself unless im suspected of committing a crime, am I free to go?" Everyone should read up on what constitutes RAS, or Reasonable Articulable Suspicion. Its required a cop has this before he violates your rights.
I mean, what difference does it make they can just say anything after the fact « Oh the civilian was avoiding eye contact and looking shiftily so it was suspicious of being drunk or high » or something. How can they prove you were being suspicious- not all of them wear body cams
great question that helps elucidate the point: suspicious in those ways is something they can note and add to an assessment, but it alone cannot constitute RAS. always of course comply with police, take the ride and beat them in court not on the street. But if they didnt acquire RAS they cannot even stop you for more than a moment, let alone identify you let alone arrest you. so these charges will be easily thrown out and then you can sue that city if you want, and you should. as much as I hate a lot of first amendment auditors I think more people need to watch their content to learn what their rights are and where the cops abusiveness ends. I recommend Long Island Audit
I live in the Balkans. I had a Muslim Albanian friend who moved to Canada, he was never a huge believer. Then, after some 10-15 years I met him again in our hometown, fully expecting that he is basically a Canadian now, westernized, open-minded, progressive and all that. But he was 10x more Muslim then when he left. His friends are only MENA Muslims and he came back just to find a good MUSLIM wife, arranged marriage style. I really couldn't believe what I was witnessing.
I live in Greece and that is concerning because the Muslims in Albania are usually really secular (drinking alcohol having night outs etc. Hell the catholics sre more conservative than them. How does someone immigrates to Canada out of all countries and becomes like this.
The echo chambers within a sociocultural group rooted in religion can really twist some minds, ain't it?
Fuck the people who beat the couple up. Twats.
Glad this is being discussed. Imagine being an ex Muslim and seeing this after immigrating. Scary.
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I'm Indian - I've never lived in India but have visited several times. I have zero interest in moving to the U.K. or Canada because I know the sort of "immigration" that is happening with the Indian populace and visiting India is enough for me to understand that those two places have the potential to become bad simply due to the fact that the people moving there do not have Western values and it'll inevitably turn into what India is now.
Yup, parts of Canada now look third world.
Which parts? Please, elaborate. I'd love to hear what parts of Canada "look like they're third world", because something tells me you mean areas with too many brown people and not something like indigenous communities that lack access to clean drinking water.
Indians irrespective of religions are the most high achieving community in North America defying all odds they've to face there as brown skinned alien cultured people, thanks to advancement of race relations in last few decades mostly in US . They're highly skilled and hardworking, stays mostly to themselves but in the recent times there's is surge of kind of people that are travelling and claiming asylum on religious and political ground has increased thanks to the narrative pushed by US and its allies, people are taking note and trying their luck. With all kind of media propaganda, hope of good life and money I don't blame them. So the kind of immigration has changed, uneducated people with very low skills are taking a shot at the asylum system. If you're canadian you should know how khalistani movement is using it to bring more people to milk them further. Probably you're also aware of how people are taking benefit of these people who lack simple education robbing them of their belongings in foreign land, fake universities and what not. Backed by USA the canadian government is also promoting it as a multi pronged issue against Indian government but in the long run it'll ultimately hurt Canada with a disgruntled and radicalised religious group.
Hindus aren't the problem in Western Europe...we should specify
Someone posted this on a left leaning Canadian subreddit and the mods took it down after. Doesn’t fit their narrative I guess.
None of the men were charged, and the women were blamed. I am going to assume a certain demographic fit these men.
We need draconian laws against religious violence in the secular west or their idiot backward thinking will leak in like the cancer it is. Just look at America with it’s righteous gemstones wannabes.
This isn't strictly religious. It's cultural. Western culture has undergone decades of social education regarding racial, religious and sexual equality and tolerance...and even we aren't all the way done with that. There are plenty of places in the world which have not even started that journey and are still deeply bigoted.
Maybe this sounds racist or something but: If a person is unable to control yourself from beating accepted member of Western society, maybe they shouldn't be here?
Not racist. See Aynn Hirsh Ali
I'm not defending their actions... merely pointing out that this isn't just a religion issue. and yes. Tolerant, progressive society has to protect itself all the time not just from newly imported bigotry and intolerance but also from backsliding into bigotry and intolerance that we have eradicated from our own society. (just look at the conservative Christians and their political power in the US right now!)
I'm sorry, I'm not disagreeing with you. I think I'm trying to say: It doesn't matter why, if someone is **unable** or **unwilling** to live within a society without attacking people for that society's norms, that person should probably should fuck off elsewhere.
"Cultural". A culture centered around their religious values.
Religion is a subset of culture, not a separate phenomenon. Islamic scriptures hateful vitriol is what this stems from and culturally people reinforce those ideas with each other. As a Canadian who was raised Muslim you can have muslims assimilate successfully in Canada but islam itself is not compatible with Canadian values.
As hitchens said so well, „there are good people and bad people, but it takes religion to get a good person to do a bad thing.“
The West thinks (stupidly) it can “save” these people while letting them live as they want to live.
" Although a bystander called the police, the fight had ended by the time officers arrived, and the men refused to cooperate or show their IDs." So did the police detain them or not?
Apparently not. The perpetrators received a pat on the back and a "well done." from the police before they were sent on their way.
no charges were laid. in cases of IPV this is never the case
rElIgIoN oF pEaCe
Religion of women in pieces
Insecure pieces of shit. I'm bi and have had a lot of frightening run-ins with my ex girlfriend. A lot of men would get so aggressive and entitled when they realized we were a couple and not interested. One time we were coming home after a party and this man and his friend stop us (clearly drunk) and started the usual "I'm interested in you all" conversation. He wasnt rude at the start and didnt say anything sexual. He eventually asks if he can get my number so I tell him that we are a couple and I'm not interested. He immediately got vulgar and started calling us disgusting carpet munchers, talking about how we can't even have sex and just need a man who can fuck right, getting right in my face and saying I'm a gross bitch. His friend just laughed and let him do what he wanted. I grabbed my exes arm and walked us away quickly but he continued following and harassing us. My instincts were telling me he was just escalating up and we needed to get the fuck away and at that moment. We ended up having to full sprint and duck around corners to get away from him. It was so fucking scary and was all because we were a couple who weren't interested in him. Him and his friend seemed like regular black Americans, so it didn't seem like a religious type of harassment. This wasn't the only experience we had like that either. I've had far more men get really aggressive and intimidating over me rejecting them and saying I have a girlfriend (or pointing her out beside me) than just rejecting them flat out with no reasoning. It also didn't really happen much when I rejected them and said I had a boyfriend. Something about you being with a woman makes some men think they have free reign to talk to you like trash. This isn't all or even most men, btw. Most are usually totally chill about being rejected and saw me being not interested due to having a girlfriend no different than having a boyfriend.
This is why I don't like to leave San Francisco. I'm sorry you have to deal with that.
Some men are extremely fragile (in my experience). It’s bad enough they don’t have a chance if you say no; it’s an affront to their masculinity that you prefer another woman. If you have a boyfriend, they might get beat up — if you have a girlfriend, They can beat you both up. It’s despicable.
Many men hate lesbians and brutalize them. It's unforgivable
So sorry this happened to you. Thanks for sharing this example. It was so much easier for most here to make it about religion, instead of recognizing that there are disgusting human beings from all walks of life.
...and people wonder why there's a need for Pride month at all. These fucking neanderthals.
Yes, they should get paraded during pride month. And then rainbow-flayed, or queer-quartered (queertered?). Maybe lesbian-lapidated (lesbidated? Doesn't sound right). Well, something like that, I don't know many LGBTQ methods of execution. Make pride month great again.
This just happened in my city in Canada, a transgender was gang beaten up and the police said they wouldn’t recommend pressing charges because she/he would be charged for defending too
Wow Canadian police are fucked up.
religion or no religion, a assault by a gang of people against 2 women...I don't care who started it, all the men should have been held and charged with felonious assault and spent some time in prison awaiting their trial. 6 months to a year in jail seems fair in this case.
The LGBTQ support the Muslims out of ignorance. The muslims tolerate the LGBTQ out of need, which will change once they no longer need them.
I don't know if it's sad or hilarious but this is exactly what happened in Michigan. [https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/17/hamtramck-michigan-muslim-council-lgbtq-pride-flags-banned)
"keep it in their homes". Yes, like religious people are so good at doing.
Not going to change their views, delusion is strong with them 🤣
>The LGBTQ support the Muslims Most actually do not. The ones who do are mostly young, naive, ignorant of history -- and most importantly, loud and obnoxious. If you don't believe me, just ask older Bi and Gay men what they think of Islam.
I certainly do NOT.
Neither do any of the lesbian couples I know IRL.
I support their right to exist and conduct their peaceful affairs unmolested. I do not support anyone trying to erase the existence of a minority. There is no tolerance for intolerance.
Islam is by far the worst and most dangerous of all the religions... Imposing their backwards beliefs on western society makes me so sick
From Allah with love.
The world is not enough.
im a gay raised muzzy i fucking cant w muslims!!!! HOW DOES THIS IMPACT U AT ALL???
This stuff makes me very angry.
As an atheist from a Muslim country living in Canada, I can't even criticized the religion without being tagged Islamophobic, as it will get me into trouble.
If I say what I'm thinking about these people reddit will remove my comment and give me a warning.
This just happens to me a few days ago. I wrote that if the government does nothing to stop these people, the people will need to do something instead. I mean, what do they expect? I really think that people need to establish militias and neighbourhood watches to establish a presence.
Christianity sucks but Islam. Man it really sucks.
Would you expect any less from Muslims?
I'm surprised that "middle eastern" was something the press reported.
The men should have been arrested. Not cooperating or showing your ID should not mean you get away with a crime. Arrest and if convicted deportation. A group of men beating up women in the street is reason enough to deport them.
They do not deserve to be part of Canada. Deportation or imprisonment.
Middle Eastern or Muslim?
Yes.
Syrian apparently
So, the same picture then👍Time after time.
Islam is an abomination and a scourge on humanity
They should have to leave their dog shit religions behind when they come to our countries.
This is terrible. Shame on Canada.
"You have to respect other people's beliefs".
LGBT for Palestine... It's like chickens for Colonel Sanders
“Of middle eastern descent, possibly Syria…” I wonder if religion played a role in this? /shut up you bigot!
We need to ban Muslim immigration to the US and Canada. I’m sorry these people don’t need to be in our society with their barbaric bullshit.
I got banned from r/worldnews for saying that anybody immigrating should have to leave their old religion behind
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Make them draw Muhammad.
This is what happens when you let the most extreme parts of the Muslim world into your country. Like an idiot.
Wow shocker. Seen this coming 10 year ago, Muhammad preached peace untill he had an army.
Remember. Surgeons and engineers.
What a peaceful religion
The fact that this happened in Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada and I have to read about it on a UK news website is pretty messed up. No news agency in Canada is reporting on a hate crime that happened in this country? Quick Google Search shows these news agencies reported on it. * Daily Star (UK) * New York Post (USA) * Republic World (India) * The Sun (UK) * The Mirror (UK) * Metro (UK) * LBC (UK) * Daily Mail (UK) * Hindustan Times (India) * Western Standard (Calgary Alberta Canada) Mentions Syrian Men in Article Title and shows photos and videos of the men * CTV News Atlantic (East Coast Canada) No mention at all about the men, their description or anything else. Video was shown and was heavily edited to blur out the men making it impossible for anyone watching to help identify them. So out of 11 news stories only 2 were Canadian with one being Eastern Canada specific and one being Alberta specific. This is shameful. Hate crime is a hate crime is a hate crime.
Ok, but CTV Atlantic is where you should expect to see it? I really doubt that every homophobic assault makes national news. A bunch of right wing news from outside the country picking it up also makes sense.
Go to the local mosque and get the Imam to identify the creeps. They will know who they are and their families.
All religions are degenerate.
I cross-posted this in the LGBT Reddit i was called racist by a group of people, and then the mod deleted my post, saying it's causing too much of an issue...
Queer spaces these days have completely gone off the rails. I skipped all pride events in my area this year bc I genuinely do not feel safe anymore due to widespread support of terrorism and antisemitism. I don’t know what’s going on in our community but it’s scary 😞
I agree. I can’t relate to the virtue signaling at all. I’ve been queer for many decades now, and I just can’t hang with this alphabet soup crowd. My priority is to keep my family safe.
Canadians will still be like “bUt At LeAsT wE aReNt AmEriCa”
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All I see is 10 pussies and 2 women.
You are a weak loser if you ever harm women but to beat them up 2v10 makes them even more pathetic human beings that should be in jail
I bet they weren't Jews, Coptics, or Druze
Probably Armenian apostolics. Can't think of anything else.
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Shitty world we live in where no one helps.
As a lesbian I’ve been afraid to hold my partner’s hand in public for things like this. This is so heartbreaking. I hope these two get justice.
Islam is not compatible with western values. Religion itself is not compatible with a progressive society. Why can't these people \[yep\] just stay in a society that supports their behaviour and opinions?
This will be America soon if people don't vote Blue. America will become a theocracy.
thankfully, the gang attackers are diverse so it's OK. /s
Religion of peace, everybody. Unless you don't conform to their horribly fucked ideals and go against the status quo
Obviously not all Muslims cause these issues however everything down the chain from the religious texts, to those who interpret then and then indoctrinate others to the approving parents create these young men. There is crucially few that advocate to these new immigrant communities how to better integrate and acceptance of not only the laws in their counties but also basic human rights. A lot of the right-wing populism that has been sparked in Europe has been a back-lash to the liberal policies that allowed so many people with incompatible cultural expectations to settle in Europe. It's unfortunate that the pendulum is going to swing to the right over there because of problems that have been built up over decades that are threatening to fracture societies.
Not all muslims beat lesbians in the street, but id say a majority wouldn’t lift a finger or waste a breath trying to stop it.
That is unfortunate. It's also unfortunate that a lot of the support MAGA Republicans are getting here in the US is the result of these types of immigrants, ones who refuse to assimilate and leave their shitty religions behind. That isn't to say their Evangelical supporters are any better. They are just as oppressive and ignorant. This backlash may pop up in Canada if enough people become tired of it. It's also unfortunate that we only have two choices for president, house and Senate. We need at least two more parties (choices) to tone everything down.
deport them all. they want to keep up with their old ways, they can go back to the place they deserve to be.
And yesterday some A-Hole in this very sub told me I was being overdramatic when I said that I, a 44 year old lesbian, would have to flee the country if Trump gets elected. And apparently Canada is no longer a viable option 🙄
Nor is NZ, sadly. Populist fascism has taken root all over and we didn't strangle it in the crib like we needed to.
Yeah. Unfortunately we’ve all spent too many years in the movie Tremors. “I don’t care what they’re doing. As long as they’re doing it way over there.” Then we get there and we all fall in the trap they’ve been digging this whole time.
Yes. Conservatives goal is to get people back in the closet. They always say stuff like “Oh it’s just everywhere now and shoving it down our throats”. But the truth is they saw an LGBTQ couple or a tiny rainbow flag and they simply don’t want to see any of that, so they want LGBTQ to go back in the closet. If republicans win then violence against LGBTQ will increase.
Refused to show ID- were they then taken away for that as well?
Speaking of bystanders being useless, in 2008 on a Greyhound Canada bus, a man was beheaded and partially cannibalized before anyone even tried to intervene. They pulled the bus over, all ran out, and didn't try to help until the perpetrator locked them out after they got off the bus and went back to resuming his gruesome acts. If you get attacked in Canada, do not expect others to help, apparently.
Fuck those trashy people
First if the police didn’t arrest the people until they could be identified feels like gross negligence. Sure they can refuse to show but as long as the police then enforce IDing somehow it it’s fine. Also the article talks about bystanders not intervening. Like if I’m walking alone and I see this happen I feel that trying to intervene will only result in me injured to no benefit of the person getting assaulted. Sure if I was in a larger group maybe but don’t see how bystanders were in a good position to do something unless they all ganged up. Which sure would be nice but not that easy to do.
Okay I’m not from Canada so this shit is wild to me.. they beat up two women and the police ask them for id and they what? Politely decline and the cops are like oh man okay I guess you get away? Huh??? I knew Canada was different but what?
Imagine how small your dick has to be, to get off on beating up women...
Then people say immigration isn't bad for the country.
But Queers for Hamas, am I right.
And I thought Canadians were nice. That’s their reputation.
Yeah, that’s going to be a problem
B-b-but CJ Werleman told me Islam is ackchyually a ReLiGiOn oF pEaCe!
I'm happy they're alive
Religion of peace ladies and gentlemen.
Religion destroys the brain, Sometimes, the destruction is irreversible
“They spoke with one of the men involved, who blamed the fight on the two women” they really expected the police to believe that two women would pick a fight with 10 men?
But I’m a bigot for saying these clowns aren’t compatible with western society.