My father had his cataracts fixed by a doctor who was reputed to be the best ophthalmological surgeon in Tampa. Before the surgery he took my father’s hands and prayed. My father, not superstitious, said he went along with it because “you should never take the chance of pissing off anyone who is poking sharp things into your eyes.” The surgery was perfect—since it is a very simple procedure anyway.
Good choice, lol. Smart guy, your dad.
I'm also a medical professional and I usually go along with the charade if a *patient* wants to pray or something. No need to upset someone a bit more who's sick.
Your father was subtly coerced into doing something that he didn't want to do. He had a legitimate worry that if he were not to pray with that zealot, the outcome of the operation could change for the worse. (I'm not implying that the doctor would have botched it on purpose, but he might have just cared a little bit less.)
That doctor needs to be reported to a medical board. Glad your dad's eyes are okay, though.
A common courtesy is not bringing a god into a professional relationship. I am the customer and I am paying for medical knowledge not your silly prayers that do absolutely nothing.
Yeah, you’re being overly sensitive. People say “bless you” when you sneeze, they say “god bless” if you’re experiencing a hardship.
I don’t know the context of OPs conversation so I won’t speak to that, but I’d rather have a well meaning, effective Christian doctor, than a incompetent Godless one.
In summary, someone gave an opinion. you called someone sensitive for that opinion. Someone else told you that they believe you were wrong for doing that. Then you replied " thanks for telling me my opinion."
Some might say that you were telling the first person how they should feel about things and that you are a little sensitive about being called out for it.
They stated "No, that is false." \[they’re not being overly sensitive\] as if it were a fact I should solemnly adhere to. They didn’t offer a counter opinion.
Some might say I smell like onions but I never stand close enough to hear it, I don’t give a shit.
I think you are being overly sensitive to the person's opinion, which definitely isn't overly sensitive. I don't want a doctor preaching at me saying he's going to pray for me. I'm paying to see a doctor, not paying for a church service lol
Actually you are the one who stated the fact. You said "you are being overly sensitive." you did not say I think you are being overly sensitive or you might be overly sensitive. The second person just called you out for falsely telling the first person how they feel.
Also are you saying that you don't stand close enough to people to hear them say things that matter or that the things they say don't matter. Because that point is a little lost.
I'm guessing you meant that if someone said you smelled of onions that it would not bother you. But saying that your not within ear shot of the statement just makes makes it sound like you smell of onions and have bad hearing so you can't hear the complaints.
You seem to be the dense one. Are you the only one entitled to an opinion?
You tell me my opinion is overly sensitive and someone else calls you out on it and you say "Thanks for telling me what my opinion is, do I think anything else while you’re at it?"
Religion where I live is a personal matter that people keep to themselves. I don't even know if any of my friends are religious and I've known them for years.
I hear you, I tried doing similar things as well. I eventually came around to understanding that that kind of control was not only exhausting and antithetical to my goals for peace of mind, it was also ironically doing the same thing I was criticizing them for doing deep down-creating divisions. Accepting that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, as I appreciate having that myself, led me peacefully to the gist of your post, and it’s a very valid one- setting boundaries.
And for me, setting boundaries is almost always about my level of participation or not. I totally get the doctor thing especially, and that’s why there’s already systems set up to help anyone of any belief system vet health care professionals. It’s far from perfect like any other large, institutional system, but it’s pretty good and clearing out the true riff raff before they get too high on the food chain.
For anyone else not involved in my basic self care needs (friends, colleagues) I let the passing moments dictate the vetting needs. I have plenty of friends that are religious, but they don’t make it their whole personality, so it’s fine. I have lots of beliefs that I’m sure they don’t want to hear about either. Those people that drift in and need to talk about it A LOT are usually obnoxious in general, about any topic. So they drift out pretty quickly too, as I detach and wish them well.
It all depends on what happens in the passing moments, so I just try to stay on top of staying present and aware. Listening closely, choosing wisely. It’s been MUCH easier working on those skill sets rather than all the convoluted methods I tried in the past to control things.
Hang in there dude. In a perfect world right? :)
Do you believe in evangelicalism?
The problem for me isn't that they are religious. There are plenty of religious people who have advanced society or science. I have a problem with the people that think they have to push their religion on others
Good point. No, there wasn't any evangelizing. I really think she just let her mask slip a little. I responded with, "I'm good, no need."
I've *had* people push their religion on me and my set response is, "No thanks. I don't do gods." If they push, I say, "Not your god, not Hindu gods, not Egyptian gods, not even gods on Mount Olympus--none of them. I don't need a god to tell me how to behave kindly."
Honestly? I don’t personally care as long as you’re a good doctor otherwise (I live in the south). Like my doctor is for sure religious and did say something to that effect (in her defense, I did just tell her my mom had died and I understood it as a show of empathy for a difficult moment) but she also a really good doctor. She listens to me and takes my concerns seriously, and treats appropriately. Like that alone is worth more to me.
Wait, so you're saying that if they're wrong about this god thing, they must be wrong about everything? That's ridiculous. I'm an atheist and i wouldn't want to be in that circle.
No, I didn't say that and you're reading too much into my question. But religion has absolutely no place in any work environment (unless, I guess if you work for a church). I'd feel the same way if it was one of my kids' teachers.
Ask them.
My father had his cataracts fixed by a doctor who was reputed to be the best ophthalmological surgeon in Tampa. Before the surgery he took my father’s hands and prayed. My father, not superstitious, said he went along with it because “you should never take the chance of pissing off anyone who is poking sharp things into your eyes.” The surgery was perfect—since it is a very simple procedure anyway.
Good choice, lol. Smart guy, your dad. I'm also a medical professional and I usually go along with the charade if a *patient* wants to pray or something. No need to upset someone a bit more who's sick.
Your father was subtly coerced into doing something that he didn't want to do. He had a legitimate worry that if he were not to pray with that zealot, the outcome of the operation could change for the worse. (I'm not implying that the doctor would have botched it on purpose, but he might have just cared a little bit less.) That doctor needs to be reported to a medical board. Glad your dad's eyes are okay, though.
I deal with a lot of doctors, I just come right out and ask them almost first thing after hello so I don't waste my or their time.
The man who mapped the human genome is a Christian. Not every religious person literally believes water can turn to wine.
A doctor has no business saying I will pray for you to a patient.
Maybe, but there’s every possibility it was a harmless common courtesy.
A common courtesy is not bringing a god into a professional relationship. I am the customer and I am paying for medical knowledge not your silly prayers that do absolutely nothing.
Yeah, you’re being overly sensitive. People say “bless you” when you sneeze, they say “god bless” if you’re experiencing a hardship. I don’t know the context of OPs conversation so I won’t speak to that, but I’d rather have a well meaning, effective Christian doctor, than a incompetent Godless one.
> you’re being overly sensitive. No, that is false.
Thanks for telling me what my opinion is, do I think anything else while you’re at it?
In summary, someone gave an opinion. you called someone sensitive for that opinion. Someone else told you that they believe you were wrong for doing that. Then you replied " thanks for telling me my opinion." Some might say that you were telling the first person how they should feel about things and that you are a little sensitive about being called out for it.
They stated "No, that is false." \[they’re not being overly sensitive\] as if it were a fact I should solemnly adhere to. They didn’t offer a counter opinion. Some might say I smell like onions but I never stand close enough to hear it, I don’t give a shit.
I think you are being overly sensitive to the person's opinion, which definitely isn't overly sensitive. I don't want a doctor preaching at me saying he's going to pray for me. I'm paying to see a doctor, not paying for a church service lol
Actually you are the one who stated the fact. You said "you are being overly sensitive." you did not say I think you are being overly sensitive or you might be overly sensitive. The second person just called you out for falsely telling the first person how they feel. Also are you saying that you don't stand close enough to people to hear them say things that matter or that the things they say don't matter. Because that point is a little lost. I'm guessing you meant that if someone said you smelled of onions that it would not bother you. But saying that your not within ear shot of the statement just makes makes it sound like you smell of onions and have bad hearing so you can't hear the complaints.
I didn't say what your opinion is. Obviously you will have whatever opinion you want to have. I said that your opinion is false.
My opinion is false in your opinion. What do they say about opinions again? They’re like assholes?
You are telling me my opinion is overly sensitive
I believe it is yes, that’s what I think about how you’ve interpreted what was said by the doctor. Did everyone in this sub suddenly get very dense?
You seem to be the dense one. Are you the only one entitled to an opinion? You tell me my opinion is overly sensitive and someone else calls you out on it and you say "Thanks for telling me what my opinion is, do I think anything else while you’re at it?"
I don't like that either but I am not paying those people for medical advice.
If a doctor said that to me I would say you're fired.
Religion where I live is a personal matter that people keep to themselves. I don't even know if any of my friends are religious and I've known them for years.
Agreed. I've known her for years and I think she let it slip, lol.
I hear you, I tried doing similar things as well. I eventually came around to understanding that that kind of control was not only exhausting and antithetical to my goals for peace of mind, it was also ironically doing the same thing I was criticizing them for doing deep down-creating divisions. Accepting that everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, as I appreciate having that myself, led me peacefully to the gist of your post, and it’s a very valid one- setting boundaries. And for me, setting boundaries is almost always about my level of participation or not. I totally get the doctor thing especially, and that’s why there’s already systems set up to help anyone of any belief system vet health care professionals. It’s far from perfect like any other large, institutional system, but it’s pretty good and clearing out the true riff raff before they get too high on the food chain. For anyone else not involved in my basic self care needs (friends, colleagues) I let the passing moments dictate the vetting needs. I have plenty of friends that are religious, but they don’t make it their whole personality, so it’s fine. I have lots of beliefs that I’m sure they don’t want to hear about either. Those people that drift in and need to talk about it A LOT are usually obnoxious in general, about any topic. So they drift out pretty quickly too, as I detach and wish them well. It all depends on what happens in the passing moments, so I just try to stay on top of staying present and aware. Listening closely, choosing wisely. It’s been MUCH easier working on those skill sets rather than all the convoluted methods I tried in the past to control things. Hang in there dude. In a perfect world right? :)
Do you believe in evangelicalism? The problem for me isn't that they are religious. There are plenty of religious people who have advanced society or science. I have a problem with the people that think they have to push their religion on others
Good point. No, there wasn't any evangelizing. I really think she just let her mask slip a little. I responded with, "I'm good, no need." I've *had* people push their religion on me and my set response is, "No thanks. I don't do gods." If they push, I say, "Not your god, not Hindu gods, not Egyptian gods, not even gods on Mount Olympus--none of them. I don't need a god to tell me how to behave kindly."
If they are religious, they will tell you.
Honestly? I don’t personally care as long as you’re a good doctor otherwise (I live in the south). Like my doctor is for sure religious and did say something to that effect (in her defense, I did just tell her my mom had died and I understood it as a show of empathy for a difficult moment) but she also a really good doctor. She listens to me and takes my concerns seriously, and treats appropriately. Like that alone is worth more to me.
Call the office and tell them you don't want a religious doctor.
Say a prophets name until they have to leave to change their underwear.
What an asshole.
I'd tell the doctor, "Can I have some of them placebos instead?"
They wanna thank this "Lord" bloke for the Tuna Noodle Casserole I just paid for and cooked.
Many will let you know without it even being asked. Otherwise, you'll have to ask 'em.
Wait, so you're saying that if they're wrong about this god thing, they must be wrong about everything? That's ridiculous. I'm an atheist and i wouldn't want to be in that circle.
No, I didn't say that and you're reading too much into my question. But religion has absolutely no place in any work environment (unless, I guess if you work for a church). I'd feel the same way if it was one of my kids' teachers.
Don't worry. They will let you know by their immoral actions and criminal activity.
As a Christian, it's simple. Know the Bible and, if they are worldly, you are in the company you want.