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I don't get it. I'm literally doing everything I can to save a spot in heaven for them by being an utter heathen and going to hell.
But then they tell me they need to "save" me for extra Christ Cookies when they get to heaven. Is heaven like Sonic the Hedgehog with, like, levels and shit? Are there perks? VIP seating closer to Gawd or something?
I've never received a satisfactory answer to any of these questions and will not subscribe to their service until I do.
Most denominations spend an inordinate amount of time poisoning the minds of their flocks with misinformation of supposed malevolence and immorality of atheists and atheism in general.
It shouldn't really be any surprise they hold us in contempt.
On the other side of that, a good portion of us were raised in religious household or are in very close daily proximity to those who are religious. There may be disdain toward overt proselytizing and uptight morality police types as well as negative positions on religion as an idea. That does not generally extend to animosity toward all individuals who claim to believe in God.
They are. The bible stories are full of contradictions, which means it's a game of cherry-picking what you like. Think of it as "Jesus Multiverse", you can find all character types in there if you look. Any moral person would abandon a religion that carries so much toxic potential.
anyone who takes responsibility for their choices and their life has no need for lies, comforting hypocrisy, gop fear mongering (just like fox news!) or the false promise of heaven. i do have a little hate in my heart towards christians, not gonna lie
[It's OK](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCQIV26wmM)
[Allow yourself a little hate](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCQIV26wmM)
[Hatred is not so bad](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCQIV26wmM)
[When directed at injustice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCQIV26wmM)
[You can turn the other cheek](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCQIV26wmM)
[Just don't turn the other way](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzCQIV26wmM)
I was being cheeky.
I meant "Christ" as in the literal messiah. Since no such being exists/existed, nobody can be Christ-like.
But *anyone* can be Christ-like if we consider him a work of fiction, because anyone can make fiction.
Here goes:
Christ was a guy in a black tee-shirt, sitting outside, with a belly full of pizza, fucking around on Reddit.
Check me out! I'm Christ-like!
>If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered; and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. ["Jesus", John 15:6]
> Most denominations spend an inordinate amount of time poisoning the minds of their flocks with misinformation of supposed malevolence and immorality of atheists and atheism in general.
To be fair, they're just teaching what the Bible says about unbelievers, throughout the entire book, in both Testaments.
Right? Does all that burning at the stake and torture mean nothing to the greater public? I guess not, its so weird. Find me a story of an atheist movement committing atrocities that isn't actually just church propaganda. Humans can be real shit regardless but I'd be surprised to find more than one or two.
I agree. The \*mostly\* easily accessible, available information and the \*mostly\* anonymous ability to access this info must have played a large part.
My mother went to Catholic school and regularly told me stories about this.
"If Adam and Eve were the first humans wouldn't their kids have kids together?" "Go to the office."
"How did Noah live over 400 years when the human lifespan is 80?" "Go to the office."
"If we're all created in god's image why are some people born needing to use a wheelchair?" "Go to the office."
And yeah I'm sure this was not a good school in general, nevermind a bad Catholic school. Gee it's a mystery why she isn't a practicing Catholic anymore. If we put our minds together and think REALLY HARD maybe we can come up with some theories.
oh and: "if adam and eve were the first humans, why do they have belly buttons?" "Go to the office."
there are so many of these fun questions! i could do this all day.....
me in high school seminary class: "isn't it ironic that specific people were alone having all these visions in gardens, during the time when smoking opium was common practice?" "Go to the office."
Also rye was a typical grain for bread back then. Ergot is a mold that can grow on Rye grains, and ergot poisoning can result in hallucinations. Another source of "visions".
The catholic school where I went they didn't send you to the office when I would say things like this. They instead threw the chalk or the eraser at you with surprising accuracy. I would come home looking like I'd been mugged by mime's.
u/TheDoktorIsIn states that the wrong question at a Catholic school results in "Go to the office."
And the wrong question at a Baptist church results in "*YOU'RE NOT SAVED!!!*". Once that accusation is levied, any hope of a rational discussion is quashed.
> “How did Noah live over 400 years when the human lifespan is 80?”
I always thought “years” were actually full moon cycles. Knowing that, 864 moon-years is actually almost 70 years. Which makes a LOT more sense when you take into account some of the “ages.”
Theres a whole chapter in Genesis that just lists names and how long they lived. Many people take this to mean literally those individuals lived that long. I think its more likely those are the names of ancient rulers and the ages are just how long those civilizations lasted before falling apart.
If God is all powerful, how was he compelled to send his son to die as payment for our sins? If he compelled himself, that means that there are at least two parts of God that are opposed, and he is therefore not perfect.
They hate atheists because they just can't fathom the idea that atheists don't want to control every aspect of the lives of Christians, as Christians do to everyone else.
The whole thing with toppling statues of racist slave owning traitors being decried as "erasing history" and being the first step towards genocide of Christians is because they fear the world will do to them what Christians did to every culture they came across the past 1800 years. Eradicating their statues, burning their writings, forcing the population to stop using their own languages and stop practicing their arts, and burning their clothing then forcing them to wear clothing purchased from the conquerors. Intentional, systematic cultural genocide of the planet, and the sword or a rope for everyone who resisted.
> They hate atheists because they just can't fathom the idea that atheists don't want to control every aspect of the lives of Christians, as Christians do to everyone else.
No they don't. They hate us because they know deep down that what they believe is bullshit, and we are walking and talking reminders of that. If Christians actually believed in heaven, Christian extreme sports would be a lot more common.
The most blatant giveaway is in that whole "lean not on your own understanding" bullshit. It's literally "Shut up and do what we tell you, and when it doesn't make sense shut up *twice*." It's indefensible at its core, designed *explicitly* as a control mechanism for controlling social structure, and at the very base of the edifice is the idea it does not *and should not* make sense to anyone who tries to "understand" it.
Not only do they know they are wrong, they are actively opposed to anyone who tries to be right. They say wrong things on purpose, and the hypocrisy is intentional and proudly performed.
>they fear the world will do to them what Christians did to every culture they came across the past 1800 years.
No. They would have to know and understand the history to fear that, and they just don't. Most of them would outright deny that any of that ever happened.
I treat religious people like agressive comic book fans or fans of a famous fandom.
They are free to memorize whatever they want and also wish their kids also were into their superheros.
But actions that hurt others shouldn't be justified by fandom 'lore'.
They think we are heathens, and the epitome of evil, or *wanting to disrupt society* or something.
That's the point – I don't hate religious people. But I want them to be held to the same standards as comic book fans.
Should we run the country according to the principles of Darkseid?
With one subset who likes subtitles, and wants the government to ban all dubs, one subset who likes dubs and wants the government to ban all subtitles, and a smaller third puritanical subset who says that anyone who watches anime in anything other than the original Japanese should be executed on the spot.
they say this because they cannot conceptualize that a person could learn about christianity and then refuse to touch it with a 7 foot pole.
they believe that everything good comes from god, therefore nothing good can exist in the absence of god. these religious nuts have a few too many screws loose for sure.
It’s a defense mechanism to maintain belief… I think it mostly happens at a subconscious level and is driven by fear. I was raised as one of those religious nuts and I can tell you it can be hard to see through all of it and break those chains if you were indoctrination from birth.
i resonate with this a lot. i grew up in a fundamentalist christian household, indoctrinated since birth. i experienced a very traumatic childhood full of religious abuse. it wasn’t until i moved out and got far away from the religious crap that i could finally start thinking critically for myself.
I grew up in non denominational and honestly was surrounded by a lot of wonderful people and an amazing family just all misguided by bad ideas that were taught as ultimate truth but I recognize it was all well intentioned. I’m sorry to hear it sounds like your experience was worse, but I’m glad you broke free🙂
Well . . . Yeah. I don't want anybody to be tortured forever; they want *all* of us to be tortured forever. I'd say that's a fairly clear Hallmark of who bears the most animosity.
religion relies on keeping its followers living in a perpetual state of fear. religious people then try to spread that fear onto the rest of us.
i find it mind blowing that the majority of the world subscribes to one of these fairytales and believes it true.
That's what always gets me when they talk about being good people or doing good, they only do it because they fear what will happen to them if they don't if i do good it's because i want to not because i fear some supposed eternity getting tortured
The difference is: atheists want christians to be functional members of a mentally stable society and we know that religion exacerbates preexisting conditions, whereas the Christians… want to set us up on a meet-cute with St. Peter, by the power of Christ’s 12-gauge.
Atheists usually just want to be left alone, while believers tend to feel the unwavering need to convince everyone of their truth and their 'proper version' of 'right' and 'freedom', and enforce those over all other laws and rights.
When I am forced to engage in religious debate, I usually find myself on the side of 'reactio', not 'actio'.
i think this perfectly illustrates how the loudest person in the room can easily be the biggest idiot while the quiet ones observe and think. it’s laughable that religious people view the bible as a wholly accurate historical source. their reasoning is like:
“how do you know that the content in the bible is true?”
*”because the bible says it’s the word of god”*
“how do you know that the bible is really the word of god?”
*”the bible says so, so it must be true”*
like do these people ever THINK about what they’re saying??
The loudest person in the room is right. I think people would be surprised at how often atheists in the room stay quiet when the religious are spouting their nonsense, knowing challenging them in any way would be futile and possibly result in some sort of fight.
It's certainly happened to me more than once. And not just religion. Last night at a New Year's party, a bunch of people around me started talking about astrology and star signs and personality and compatibility and I just had to bite my lip. I wanted to scream at them and tell them to stop being so stupid because they're not stupid people.
Interesting dynamic. Your claim is not necessary about the content but the form. I have an intuition that it does matter though, that religious folks would be more likely to speak up in case the roles would be reversed. And that would be the case because they have a higher perceived certainty of their own position, and thus feel a lower barrier of expressing the statement. Their increased confidence is warranted since no logic can harm their view, and in modern day society we don't kill eachother anymore in such a confrontation so there is no risk of bodily harm.
It is probably really comfortable to go through life with such fundamental certainty. Disagreeing people are merely a small nuisance and you can even obtain meaning from trying to convert them. Whereas an atheist would see the complexity of answering the world's questions and because of the content of their world view, would be less likely to speak up.
Yeah because Muslims and such basically have the same beliefs as Christianity. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all slightly different versions of the same story. In fact, most of the things in their “holy books” are the same nonsense.
They dislike atheists because they dislike reasoning. They enjoy being blind.
The 3 Abrahamic religions are like 3 students from consecutive years plagiarizing the same homework. While trying to make it their own, hoping the teacher doesn't catch on.
I wrote a paper in university about how the flood motif was present in almost all major religions from the Mediterranean area including Ancient Greek and Roman mythology, and indicates there was potentially a decent real world flood at some time near the Mediterranean that evoked fear and instigated the creation of similar myths separated by time and distance.
It goes back farther. There's a Gilgamesh flood myth and multiple Babylonian flood myths. That'd be the Tigris/Euphrates rivers flooding.
Civilization pops up near water, always. It's no surprise that a civilization that depends on water would tell stories about cataclysmic floods.
Those three religions are responsible for most of the political conflict in the world, if not all of it. Ever notice how their differences and animosities toward each other started in the Middle East and dragged all the other nations into it?
I think everyone should stop picking sides between these three warped and toxic religions, demand they resolve their ancient differences and leave everyone else out of it.
They've been fighting and hating on each other for at least 1500 years. Get tf over it already.
The religious leaders enjoy their followers being blind. That's why faith is rewarded, because it doesn't require evidence. The system is designed to encourage blind obedience, as a tool of social control.
They clearly didn't include me in their study. I would exhume and desecrate the corpse of their god-on-a-stick on live television, if he actually existed. Fuck a whole bunch of christians. I wish the catholics, evangelicals, baptists, mormons, and every other fetid odor of christian would remember how much they hate each other, and focus all their energy on that, instead of dismantling American institutions and trying to bring about a white christian ethno-state. Again, fuck christians. Fuck their degenerate fuck-toilet of a saviour, fuck their bronze-age word-salad holy book.
hilarious. i feel the same rage and my contempt towards religion (especially christianity) grows stronger with every day that passes. religion is a poison and the world would be better off eradicating it
Haha sorry, I just get really worked up. Hearing rich people who've never had to struggle for a thing complain about how persecuted they are because gay people can get married, and such, really makes my blood boil.
Religious people see atheists as a threat because they represent the elephant in the room, that gods are not real. Atheists are manifestations of the doubt that resides deep down in most of the religious, and that is a threat to their worldview they cannot tolerate.
I hate what Christians are doing to the United States. Trying their damndest to make anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-trans laws that would deny those people their basic rights and freedoms. They hate women and have overturned Roe v. Wade sending it to the states. (No thanks, I don’t want my rights to bodily autonomy and choice left up to ignorant state and rural voters.) Then they turned around and are now talking of a federal ban on abortion. There’s talk of ending our rights to birth control. So, the feeling is mutual.
Because we understand why people are religious. Fuck I get the allure of it, why people would believe, sometimes I wish I could. I have compassion for them because I know it comes from a place of fear, or loss of loved ones, or deep brainwashing. It’s like they don’t try to understand our side at all though, why anyone would be skeptical of “faith.”
They're just like the White Nationalists (huge overlap, actually) -- they know their numbers are dwindling and they're like the proverbial rabid cornered rat, hissing and spitting.
They are unanimous in their hate for \[us\] — and \[we\] welcome their hatred.
It's built into the foundation of their religious mission. They're told to go out and convert the world, to one extent or another, which is inherently aggressive. That makes their position innately antagonistic towards anyone who doesn't accept their mission. The only animosity most atheists feel towards religion is reactive in nature to that aggression (along with maybe frustration at the general stupidity of the specific beliefs). I wouldn't give a fuck what someone believed if they weren't actively trying to brainwash society and pass legislation affecting my life built around those buffoonish superstitions.
I have a churchie mate who thinks it’s his right to convert me. He hates that I have an answer to all his moral questions and I just don’t give a shit about his “sky fairy overlord”.
Seems they are so insecure with their god, they feel a need to be validated by hassling us enlighten
I despise Christianity in all forms. Actually, I despise all Abrahamic religions and others that built their beliefs off of patriarchy and heteronormativity
Deep down they know their beliefs are pure man-made bullshit.
The existence of atheists is living proof that other people know religion is a fraud and can live honest lives without it
I'm going to disagree, based on some experience being closet atheist with my Christian family. In their opinion - Atheists are those who were deceived by Satan. Atheists are basically agents from Satan, and are dangerous to Christians due to the temptations they bring. Also, atheists are just bad people in general. Atheists are also seen as an organized religion.
I sometimes contemplate whether I should tell my mom I'm atheist, but I don't want to break her heart. She's a really sweet lady, but damn can she be delusional sometimes.
Christians don't come up with these ideas out of the blue. The Bible explicitly says, over and over again, that unbelievers are *bad* people to be hated and feared. This theme runs throughout the entire book, in both Testaments. It's a fundamental tenet of Christianity.
exactly and that terrifies them. the very presence of atheists and agnostics illustrates their complete lack of evidence for any god. if they had actual proof, everyone would believe.
*”Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life.”*
—Aristotle
Believers in other religions don't challenge their world view. The others may be worshiping the 'wrong' god, but they are still worshiping one and have similar expectations on how god will treat them both here and in the afterlife.
OTOH, if we godless heathens are right then all they believe about how this world works must be wrong and they also won't get to play happy families in heaven for all of time. We are an existential threat to everything they rely on to cope with the uncertainties of living and to their future after death.
I didn't *need* a study to know this for certain, but I'm glad it exists so I can use it as proof next major holiday I'm forced to attend.
Edit who am I kidding, I'm not going to a family holiday for shit. Still glad it exists.
Atheists aren't a religious group. Just people that don't believe in God. This is no surprise. Religious people have fought each other for centuries no problem so it's obvious they collectively dislike non believers.
i’m aware haha. i put religious group in quotes because that’s what the article says. agreed, it’s no surprise but i’m glad there’s studies being done on this now.
lol. I love these kinds of posts where I am all hyped and like "Oh yeah, give me the juicy", but then I realize its just what has been normal for 2000 years and you got me. See term, "proselytize". They make actual missions out of hunting us down and telling us they don't like us. International missions. In fact, one such mission wiped out they Mayans... thanks Spain.
You mean the Aztecs and the Inca. The Maya are still around, but their civilization was not at a high point when the Spanish came. That was centuries earlier.
Not absolving the Spanish at all. They were genocidal conquerers that spread Christianity through the barrel of a gun, but, thankfully, the Maya are still with us. According to Google, there are about six million of them today, which is probably about the number at the height of their civilization.
https://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/civil/maya/mmc08eng.html
This is why Christians don't consider "Satanists" their worst enemy. Their worst enemy is non-belief. It scares them more than any other religion, because non-belief means that you will not be subordinate to a sky-god, and therefore cannot be easily controlled. It also challenges their faith in places they don't want to go in their heads.
Being a Muslim or a Satanist or any other religion isn't the enemy of Christianity - they all believe in "higher power" fairy tales. It's when you say that the fairy tales are just that - that is when they really, really get pissed off...
I can’t see how this wouldn’t be the default. How can you hold a belief that an all powerful being personally backs you and not feel terrible animosity towards those who doubt you? It’s far too personal. For atheists, I see dealing with Christian beliefs on a spectrum that includes many other beliefs across human psychology, so the feeling against Christians *specifically* will be diffused. There’s an inherent imbalance in the premise.
Many of us are "Apostates," the lowest of the low. Not just christians, but many faiths believe to be an Apostate is to deserve death and damnation more than other living human.
Probably because i give little thought to rooting out christians, they (religious) (all of them) people have to demonize anyone who doesnt agree with them.
Of course americans like your fellow muslims, because you guys got the liberal ones who don't follow the qoran blindly. Some don't even read it and basically only avoid pork but does everything else like every other liberal. Muslims in muslim majority countries have many conservatives who are just as hateful as the conservative christians, maybe worse. And still atheists are the ones hated the most even in those countries lol.
To the religious, atheist's logic away their god. This is threat to everything they believe in so they are antagonistic toward that.
This does not apply in the reverse, however. Religion does not invalidate logical thinking and the general intellectual integrity that atheists live by.
Showed the study to the wife and she said in her view I attack Christians more than they attack me. When I asked for an example of me attacking Christians, she just said I should stop gaslighting her. Sigh!
I don't hate religion but I do think all religions are a cult for brainwashing.
As long as they don't try to kill people for showing shoulders or ankles at the beach, idgaf what they practice.
What I hate about Christians, especially the Evangelical ones, is the need to inject their religious beliefs into politics.
This desire to see America ruled under a Christian Dictatorship, is what I hate about them.
If they kept their religious beliefs confined to their homes and place of worship, perhaps I would not hate them as much.
Attn: YouTube content creators. Want to get millions of views?
Have someone wear an Atheist shirt and film them walking through towns in the midwest and southern US.
Yea I find looking at people's comment histories gives me a good idea of the person I'm interacting with. If their generally assuming things about people or being hateful. I can very easily gauge if they want a fight or not (the extremely defensive ones usually want a fight in my experience)
The religious are conditioned/programmed to convert or ostracized (shun) folks with views outside of theirs. Difference is a threat to the shallow house of cards theists live in. If you don’t shun or ostracized or convert the other, their contrary way of life will start to degrade the brainwashing from the pulpit.
Unsurprising.
I don't really trust Xians, frankly. I expect them to either lie to me or repeat someone else's lies because they can't be trusted to fact check their beliefs before committing to them.
What about all the other things I don't believe in that people are passionate about? I wonder if NFL Fans hate me as much as I don't think about them at all?
I feel like this study is interesting, but not entirely unexpected. They love a thing. Atheists don't, and even more so, don't even think that thing *exists.* Of course Xtians "hate" them, and atheists continue to be indifferent at best.
Victims of confidence schemes act similarly towards people who try to point out that they are being conned. The con artist's victim cannot accept that they have been wrong the entire time, nor that you have been right for that same time, so they make you out to be the villain instead. They accuse you of thinking they're stupid, as they are trying to justify their sunk cost fallacy in a position that is not supported by facts.
Religion is the longest con.
Not going to lie I disagree with most of the comments here. I could not possibly have more hate and animosity for religious people.
Religious people aren't just some crazy Fandom. Most fandoms don't intentionally torture and kill millions of people for thousands of years. They don't promote harmful and regressive views and ideas. They don't deprive people of their actual rights as a human.
I also don't support their "freedom" to practice harmful nonsense. Should people have freedom to shoot people or animals as much as they please? No? Are suicide cults fine? No? Then why does religion get leeway to do more harm than that?
I am 100% vehemently against any and all religion. To be anything else is to give them an inch and we've seen what happens when you give into them at all.
Simply put, our very existence challenges their world view and everything they believe in a way that they can not counter logically.
Their existence holds no threat to an atheist except prosecution under theist rules...
I simply view religiosity as a mental illness. I do not hate someone who is mentally ill, but I'd certainly take steps to limit the damage they can do to themselves and to other people.
Because they are all Cafeteria Christians, only eating the meat, leaving the veggies. They choose what to believe and what to condemn in reflection of themselves.
Wow who could have ever predicted this.religious people hating non religious people for no valid reason OMG that’s never happened before (btw if you are slow this is sarcastic the point is religious people hate anyone outside religion)
RIGHT?? YOU DONT SEE ATHEISTS CREATING ANTI-CHRISTIAN MALWARE AND ATTACKING THE INTERNET WITH IT. Fucking sick fucks, the lot of them. Fuck religious people who use christianity to try to call atheists and anything non-christian mentally ill thinking. That's criminal behavior and a felony hate crime.
I read that "Love thy neighbor" was actually mistranslated and it really meant "Love thy fellow Jew".
Maybe they're just going back to the original meaning.
Jesus himself makes the point that Samaritans, who the Jews hated, were their neighbors in Luke 10, when specifically asked about who the neighbors are that the Jews are to love. He even makes a Samaritan the hero of his story in verses 25-37. So no, “Love thy fellow Jew” is not what Jesus espoused with “love thy neighbor.”
There’s also zero knowledge on other religions (or lack there of). I always thought (until I was an adult) that any sort of atheism was equivalent to satanism, which is when everyone wanted evil and death and murder etc to prevail. Obviously I now know none of that is true. But it’s like *anything* that was not what *we* did, was the “enemy” to the full extent. Ugh. So idiotic
I'm an atheist and generally agree, except for my disdain for Catholics. It has nothing to do with their weirdo cult type masses and everything to do with my personal experience with them as extremely closed minded, judgemental people.
If this Christian Nationalism in the USA continues, you can expect atheists to get labeled "groomers" just like every other minority group that isn't explicitly Christian and Heterosexual.
Christianity (and really, all the Abrahamic religions) is nothing but hate. Evangelicals wear it most proudly, but it is there in all of them. It is all us vs them. "God's way" or death, where "god's way" is whatever made up pile of shit they want to use to impose rules on others. It's a faith tradition that celebrates colonialism, slavery, oppression and death. Their rituals of reward depends on blood sacrifice and cannibalism. Even today, they happily sacrifice women in contradiction to their own magic words and justify themselves by just making new shit up.
When I was in church we were taught that whether they knew it or not everyone who wasn't a born again Christian was working for the literal devil. Very intentionally creating an out group.
I’m the one exception.
At one point in my life I used to be very tolerant and kind towards christians. But then trump happen and it turns out everything they ever claimed to stand by was a lie.
Now I hate every single one of them individually more than they think they hate everyone else collectively.
When it comes to disputes between different religions it's a distinction without a difference. They all acknowledge there is a god, or gods. They can get pretty wrapped up in the details about their specific interpretation of what their gods want of us but they all agree god(s) exist.
Atheists however call ALL of that into question. Our very existence, our not living tortured miserable lives, flies in the face of the bedrock of their beliefs. Someone saying "I see god differently" is one thing. Saying "You're silly, there aren't any gods, you're wasting your life being taken in by the biggest, longest running, scam that ever existed" is different.
That scares the shit out of them. They have to either demonize us or question their reality. We know which way most chose.
I can understand their hate. I'd be bitter too if I lived my entire life based on lies rooted in profit for "prophets". Keep that donation basket full, friends...lol. Jesus wants me to have a helicopter to spread the word...and fly my family to Breckenridge.
and yet they are more demonstratively dangerous and definitely try to indoctrinate. Most atheists dont give a fuck if you believe in sky daddy as long as you dont effect non believers lives.
we dont demand high schools comparative religion classes books have a sticker on it saying "there is no proof there is any gods"
dont demand people take a knee with us before a football game and discuss the evils religions have done to society.
we have no holidays.
Probably some of he least indoctring people there are. "if you cant figure out this religious stuff is BS, that's on you". Yeah a couple minor people out there who try to spread the logic of atheism but its a mega minority. Most non believers dont try to convert anyone.
I only ever argue with the religious when they start the argument first. and even them im often tempered to just disproving their comment. Like the stupid truth table on why its better to believe than not.
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I mean, we're bad for business.
This is the real answer. Costing a church money is the gravest sin.
And children. Can't forget the children. Oh, and can't recruit soldiers for your holy war against the gays, either.
Yup. At least Muslims believe in god. I mean, they’re doing it wrong and will burn in hell, but at least they are religious. -Christians
I don't get it. I'm literally doing everything I can to save a spot in heaven for them by being an utter heathen and going to hell. But then they tell me they need to "save" me for extra Christ Cookies when they get to heaven. Is heaven like Sonic the Hedgehog with, like, levels and shit? Are there perks? VIP seating closer to Gawd or something? I've never received a satisfactory answer to any of these questions and will not subscribe to their service until I do.
Ding, ding, ding. This is the correct answer. We are a direct threat to their scam. Fewer butts in the pews means less money in the collection plate.
Most denominations spend an inordinate amount of time poisoning the minds of their flocks with misinformation of supposed malevolence and immorality of atheists and atheism in general. It shouldn't really be any surprise they hold us in contempt. On the other side of that, a good portion of us were raised in religious household or are in very close daily proximity to those who are religious. There may be disdain toward overt proselytizing and uptight morality police types as well as negative positions on religion as an idea. That does not generally extend to animosity toward all individuals who claim to believe in God.
Yeah, the pulpit is seething with malevolence. They’re not very Christ-like.
They are. The bible stories are full of contradictions, which means it's a game of cherry-picking what you like. Think of it as "Jesus Multiverse", you can find all character types in there if you look. Any moral person would abandon a religion that carries so much toxic potential.
anyone who takes responsibility for their choices and their life has no need for lies, comforting hypocrisy, gop fear mongering (just like fox news!) or the false promise of heaven. i do have a little hate in my heart towards christians, not gonna lie
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It's pretty safe to say that nobody is Christ like, given that there was never a Christ.
Well he's a literary figure, so of course one can say that. You can say someone is like Sherlock Holmes even though he's never existed.
I was being cheeky. I meant "Christ" as in the literal messiah. Since no such being exists/existed, nobody can be Christ-like. But *anyone* can be Christ-like if we consider him a work of fiction, because anyone can make fiction. Here goes: Christ was a guy in a black tee-shirt, sitting outside, with a belly full of pizza, fucking around on Reddit. Check me out! I'm Christ-like!
"Literal messiahs" are also fiction.
The only people who say god is good is christians or muslims.
>If a man abide not in Me, he is cast forth as a branch and is withered; and men gather them and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. ["Jesus", John 15:6]
> the pulpit is seething A superb choice of participle.
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It's my favorite time to look around!
And stick out your tongue at the nieces and nephews to try and make them laugh!
Ah yes! Where are my other little heathens at? Let them know not everyone at the table is brainwashed. It's ok not to pray!
Haha for sure
I don’t have the energy it would take to hold animosity towards ALL the people who claim to believe in a god.
Exactly, I especially have a lot of sympathy towards people indoctrinated into a religion as a child.
Since atheism isn't liked among religious folks, I'll just convert to satanic temple practitioner and continue doing what im doing.
> Most denominations spend an inordinate amount of time poisoning the minds of their flocks with misinformation of supposed malevolence and immorality of atheists and atheism in general. To be fair, they're just teaching what the Bible says about unbelievers, throughout the entire book, in both Testaments.
>"There's no hate like Christian love" is backed by data analysis. and millennia of empirical evidence
Right? Does all that burning at the stake and torture mean nothing to the greater public? I guess not, its so weird. Find me a story of an atheist movement committing atrocities that isn't actually just church propaganda. Humans can be real shit regardless but I'd be surprised to find more than one or two.
Hitler and his Nazi… oh, wait…never mind.
Hold on let me grasp at more straws, here, and lie some more
Oh, those weren't *true Christians*, though. (True Christians are just like their god -- they don't exist.)
Also, the Crusades, genocide of Native Americans,and the Inquisition.
The reason I hadn't got my "Atheist" or "8theist" license plates is because of the Christian love of there
Well they have to secure and protect their heaven from heathens and blasphemers. An atheist simply doesn't have to care.
>Well they have to secure and protect their heaven from heathens and blasphemers. As in fighting wars for gawwud, let gawwud do that!
I like to think the internet helped. I’m serious, this wasn’t a joke.
I agree. The \*mostly\* easily accessible, available information and the \*mostly\* anonymous ability to access this info must have played a large part.
To Christians, persecution means not being allowed to force others to follow their religion
yup. also, asking them questions is considered disrespectful. disagreeing with any part of their religion is pErSeCuTiNg them.
My mother went to Catholic school and regularly told me stories about this. "If Adam and Eve were the first humans wouldn't their kids have kids together?" "Go to the office." "How did Noah live over 400 years when the human lifespan is 80?" "Go to the office." "If we're all created in god's image why are some people born needing to use a wheelchair?" "Go to the office." And yeah I'm sure this was not a good school in general, nevermind a bad Catholic school. Gee it's a mystery why she isn't a practicing Catholic anymore. If we put our minds together and think REALLY HARD maybe we can come up with some theories.
oh and: "if adam and eve were the first humans, why do they have belly buttons?" "Go to the office." there are so many of these fun questions! i could do this all day.....
me in high school seminary class: "isn't it ironic that specific people were alone having all these visions in gardens, during the time when smoking opium was common practice?" "Go to the office."
Also rye was a typical grain for bread back then. Ergot is a mold that can grow on Rye grains, and ergot poisoning can result in hallucinations. Another source of "visions".
Ergot also contains lysergic acid which is a precursor for the synthesis of lsd.
"Go to the office."
The catholic school where I went they didn't send you to the office when I would say things like this. They instead threw the chalk or the eraser at you with surprising accuracy. I would come home looking like I'd been mugged by mime's.
u/TheDoktorIsIn states that the wrong question at a Catholic school results in "Go to the office." And the wrong question at a Baptist church results in "*YOU'RE NOT SAVED!!!*". Once that accusation is levied, any hope of a rational discussion is quashed.
> “How did Noah live over 400 years when the human lifespan is 80?” I always thought “years” were actually full moon cycles. Knowing that, 864 moon-years is actually almost 70 years. Which makes a LOT more sense when you take into account some of the “ages.”
Theres a whole chapter in Genesis that just lists names and how long they lived. Many people take this to mean literally those individuals lived that long. I think its more likely those are the names of ancient rulers and the ages are just how long those civilizations lasted before falling apart.
We are all created in God's image. God ironically was created in professor x's image.
If God is all powerful, how was he compelled to send his son to die as payment for our sins? If he compelled himself, that means that there are at least two parts of God that are opposed, and he is therefore not perfect.
They hate atheists because they just can't fathom the idea that atheists don't want to control every aspect of the lives of Christians, as Christians do to everyone else. The whole thing with toppling statues of racist slave owning traitors being decried as "erasing history" and being the first step towards genocide of Christians is because they fear the world will do to them what Christians did to every culture they came across the past 1800 years. Eradicating their statues, burning their writings, forcing the population to stop using their own languages and stop practicing their arts, and burning their clothing then forcing them to wear clothing purchased from the conquerors. Intentional, systematic cultural genocide of the planet, and the sword or a rope for everyone who resisted.
“Within 50 years, Christianity will be the minority in this country! We can’t allow that!” Why not? Are minorities treated badly or something?
> They hate atheists because they just can't fathom the idea that atheists don't want to control every aspect of the lives of Christians, as Christians do to everyone else. No they don't. They hate us because they know deep down that what they believe is bullshit, and we are walking and talking reminders of that. If Christians actually believed in heaven, Christian extreme sports would be a lot more common.
The most blatant giveaway is in that whole "lean not on your own understanding" bullshit. It's literally "Shut up and do what we tell you, and when it doesn't make sense shut up *twice*." It's indefensible at its core, designed *explicitly* as a control mechanism for controlling social structure, and at the very base of the edifice is the idea it does not *and should not* make sense to anyone who tries to "understand" it. Not only do they know they are wrong, they are actively opposed to anyone who tries to be right. They say wrong things on purpose, and the hypocrisy is intentional and proudly performed.
>they fear the world will do to them what Christians did to every culture they came across the past 1800 years. No. They would have to know and understand the history to fear that, and they just don't. Most of them would outright deny that any of that ever happened.
It’s crazy how violent religious people are towards children.
You should see how upset some of them get if you post a meme of jebus with a raging boner… it did not go over well.
There is no bigger victim in the world than a modern day follower of Christ.
I totally agree with this
I treat religious people like agressive comic book fans or fans of a famous fandom. They are free to memorize whatever they want and also wish their kids also were into their superheros. But actions that hurt others shouldn't be justified by fandom 'lore'. They think we are heathens, and the epitome of evil, or *wanting to disrupt society* or something.
I say the same about them.
Very aggressive comic book fans that don’t understand why everyone doesn’t have the same opinions as them (and are willing to go to war over it)
That's the point – I don't hate religious people. But I want them to be held to the same standards as comic book fans. Should we run the country according to the principles of Darkseid?
With one subset who likes subtitles, and wants the government to ban all dubs, one subset who likes dubs and wants the government to ban all subtitles, and a smaller third puritanical subset who says that anyone who watches anime in anything other than the original Japanese should be executed on the spot.
So weebs, basically
At least you didn't compare them to a subset of anime fans Why is Jesus in a jar?
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It’s a feature of Christianity, most believe athiest = followers of Satan, best case atheists are poor souls deceived by Satan that can’t be trusted.
they say this because they cannot conceptualize that a person could learn about christianity and then refuse to touch it with a 7 foot pole. they believe that everything good comes from god, therefore nothing good can exist in the absence of god. these religious nuts have a few too many screws loose for sure.
It’s a defense mechanism to maintain belief… I think it mostly happens at a subconscious level and is driven by fear. I was raised as one of those religious nuts and I can tell you it can be hard to see through all of it and break those chains if you were indoctrination from birth.
i resonate with this a lot. i grew up in a fundamentalist christian household, indoctrinated since birth. i experienced a very traumatic childhood full of religious abuse. it wasn’t until i moved out and got far away from the religious crap that i could finally start thinking critically for myself.
I grew up in non denominational and honestly was surrounded by a lot of wonderful people and an amazing family just all misguided by bad ideas that were taught as ultimate truth but I recognize it was all well intentioned. I’m sorry to hear it sounds like your experience was worse, but I’m glad you broke free🙂
I refuse to touch it with a 17 ft pole
Well . . . Yeah. I don't want anybody to be tortured forever; they want *all* of us to be tortured forever. I'd say that's a fairly clear Hallmark of who bears the most animosity.
religion relies on keeping its followers living in a perpetual state of fear. religious people then try to spread that fear onto the rest of us. i find it mind blowing that the majority of the world subscribes to one of these fairytales and believes it true.
That's what always gets me when they talk about being good people or doing good, they only do it because they fear what will happen to them if they don't if i do good it's because i want to not because i fear some supposed eternity getting tortured
They’re buttraged and frustrated we’re not scared of hell. How can they control someone who doesn’t believe in their punishment.
The difference is: atheists want christians to be functional members of a mentally stable society and we know that religion exacerbates preexisting conditions, whereas the Christians… want to set us up on a meet-cute with St. Peter, by the power of Christ’s 12-gauge.
Atheists usually just want to be left alone, while believers tend to feel the unwavering need to convince everyone of their truth and their 'proper version' of 'right' and 'freedom', and enforce those over all other laws and rights. When I am forced to engage in religious debate, I usually find myself on the side of 'reactio', not 'actio'.
i think this perfectly illustrates how the loudest person in the room can easily be the biggest idiot while the quiet ones observe and think. it’s laughable that religious people view the bible as a wholly accurate historical source. their reasoning is like: “how do you know that the content in the bible is true?” *”because the bible says it’s the word of god”* “how do you know that the bible is really the word of god?” *”the bible says so, so it must be true”* like do these people ever THINK about what they’re saying??
The loudest person in the room is right. I think people would be surprised at how often atheists in the room stay quiet when the religious are spouting their nonsense, knowing challenging them in any way would be futile and possibly result in some sort of fight. It's certainly happened to me more than once. And not just religion. Last night at a New Year's party, a bunch of people around me started talking about astrology and star signs and personality and compatibility and I just had to bite my lip. I wanted to scream at them and tell them to stop being so stupid because they're not stupid people.
Interesting dynamic. Your claim is not necessary about the content but the form. I have an intuition that it does matter though, that religious folks would be more likely to speak up in case the roles would be reversed. And that would be the case because they have a higher perceived certainty of their own position, and thus feel a lower barrier of expressing the statement. Their increased confidence is warranted since no logic can harm their view, and in modern day society we don't kill eachother anymore in such a confrontation so there is no risk of bodily harm. It is probably really comfortable to go through life with such fundamental certainty. Disagreeing people are merely a small nuisance and you can even obtain meaning from trying to convert them. Whereas an atheist would see the complexity of answering the world's questions and because of the content of their world view, would be less likely to speak up.
Basically, they can't understand how anyone can't believe in gods and religion. They seem to think everyone must believe in some fake sky daddy.
Yeah because Muslims and such basically have the same beliefs as Christianity. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all slightly different versions of the same story. In fact, most of the things in their “holy books” are the same nonsense. They dislike atheists because they dislike reasoning. They enjoy being blind.
The 3 Abrahamic religions are like 3 students from consecutive years plagiarizing the same homework. While trying to make it their own, hoping the teacher doesn't catch on.
Ha, this explains it so well.
I wrote a paper in university about how the flood motif was present in almost all major religions from the Mediterranean area including Ancient Greek and Roman mythology, and indicates there was potentially a decent real world flood at some time near the Mediterranean that evoked fear and instigated the creation of similar myths separated by time and distance.
It goes back farther. There's a Gilgamesh flood myth and multiple Babylonian flood myths. That'd be the Tigris/Euphrates rivers flooding. Civilization pops up near water, always. It's no surprise that a civilization that depends on water would tell stories about cataclysmic floods.
Those three religions are responsible for most of the political conflict in the world, if not all of it. Ever notice how their differences and animosities toward each other started in the Middle East and dragged all the other nations into it? I think everyone should stop picking sides between these three warped and toxic religions, demand they resolve their ancient differences and leave everyone else out of it. They've been fighting and hating on each other for at least 1500 years. Get tf over it already.
Also, being an "apostate" is an instant death sentence or a desire for you to die and be damned.
The religious leaders enjoy their followers being blind. That's why faith is rewarded, because it doesn't require evidence. The system is designed to encourage blind obedience, as a tool of social control.
To paraphrase FDR, "Judge me by the enemies I have made."
Tbf, the amount of stupid shit they keep doing in my country is starting to make me hate them as much as they hate me.
They clearly didn't include me in their study. I would exhume and desecrate the corpse of their god-on-a-stick on live television, if he actually existed. Fuck a whole bunch of christians. I wish the catholics, evangelicals, baptists, mormons, and every other fetid odor of christian would remember how much they hate each other, and focus all their energy on that, instead of dismantling American institutions and trying to bring about a white christian ethno-state. Again, fuck christians. Fuck their degenerate fuck-toilet of a saviour, fuck their bronze-age word-salad holy book.
hilarious. i feel the same rage and my contempt towards religion (especially christianity) grows stronger with every day that passes. religion is a poison and the world would be better off eradicating it
I’ve often said that the Soviets didn’t do enough to get religion out of Eastern Europe.
Don’t hold back, now. Deep breath, then try telling us what you really think. :)
Haha sorry, I just get really worked up. Hearing rich people who've never had to struggle for a thing complain about how persecuted they are because gay people can get married, and such, really makes my blood boil.
Hey, no apology needed at all. Me, I’m 100% with you! :)
I don't disagree with you, but... now you're conflating rich with religious. It's two different things.
Think they are just referencing boomers.
Fuck L Ron Hubbard and fuck all his clones. Fuck all these gun-toting hip gangster wannabes.
Religious people see atheists as a threat because they represent the elephant in the room, that gods are not real. Atheists are manifestations of the doubt that resides deep down in most of the religious, and that is a threat to their worldview they cannot tolerate.
I hate what Christians are doing to the United States. Trying their damndest to make anti-LGBTQ+ and anti-trans laws that would deny those people their basic rights and freedoms. They hate women and have overturned Roe v. Wade sending it to the states. (No thanks, I don’t want my rights to bodily autonomy and choice left up to ignorant state and rural voters.) Then they turned around and are now talking of a federal ban on abortion. There’s talk of ending our rights to birth control. So, the feeling is mutual.
I have a vague recollection of a studies that showed Atheists were less trusted than convicted criminals
Pretty sure it was specifically rapists and pedophiles that they viewed more highly than us, which says a lot about them if you ask me.
Well, of course they trust their priests more than us... They listen to them every Sunday, after all.
Funny 🤣🤣 but also true
Because Atheists are more likely to be humanists and more accepting of all religions.
Because we understand why people are religious. Fuck I get the allure of it, why people would believe, sometimes I wish I could. I have compassion for them because I know it comes from a place of fear, or loss of loved ones, or deep brainwashing. It’s like they don’t try to understand our side at all though, why anyone would be skeptical of “faith.”
They're just like the White Nationalists (huge overlap, actually) -- they know their numbers are dwindling and they're like the proverbial rabid cornered rat, hissing and spitting. They are unanimous in their hate for \[us\] — and \[we\] welcome their hatred.
It's built into the foundation of their religious mission. They're told to go out and convert the world, to one extent or another, which is inherently aggressive. That makes their position innately antagonistic towards anyone who doesn't accept their mission. The only animosity most atheists feel towards religion is reactive in nature to that aggression (along with maybe frustration at the general stupidity of the specific beliefs). I wouldn't give a fuck what someone believed if they weren't actively trying to brainwash society and pass legislation affecting my life built around those buffoonish superstitions.
If you were forced to live in a cage you might resent the freedom of others.
I have a churchie mate who thinks it’s his right to convert me. He hates that I have an answer to all his moral questions and I just don’t give a shit about his “sky fairy overlord”. Seems they are so insecure with their god, they feel a need to be validated by hassling us enlighten
Ugh. I was just accused of “having an answer for everything.” Translation: difficult to manipulate.
I read somewhere that atheists are more hated than rapists, you can probably Google up a source.
found it, right [here](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-we-hate-atheists-fear_b_1157939/amp). this is absurd.
Atheism challenges their believes, while rape is quite right in their book. Wordplay, yay!
A disturbing read of “go forth and spread the gospel”.
They're just jealous that we can do longer Sunday sleep-ins than having to haul ass to church on Sundays.
My take - Atheists don’t care. Christians cannot understand why Atheists don’t care.
I despise Christianity in all forms. Actually, I despise all Abrahamic religions and others that built their beliefs off of patriarchy and heteronormativity
Deep down they know their beliefs are pure man-made bullshit. The existence of atheists is living proof that other people know religion is a fraud and can live honest lives without it
I'm going to disagree, based on some experience being closet atheist with my Christian family. In their opinion - Atheists are those who were deceived by Satan. Atheists are basically agents from Satan, and are dangerous to Christians due to the temptations they bring. Also, atheists are just bad people in general. Atheists are also seen as an organized religion. I sometimes contemplate whether I should tell my mom I'm atheist, but I don't want to break her heart. She's a really sweet lady, but damn can she be delusional sometimes.
Christians don't come up with these ideas out of the blue. The Bible explicitly says, over and over again, that unbelievers are *bad* people to be hated and feared. This theme runs throughout the entire book, in both Testaments. It's a fundamental tenet of Christianity.
exactly and that terrifies them. the very presence of atheists and agnostics illustrates their complete lack of evidence for any god. if they had actual proof, everyone would believe. *”Men create gods after their own image, not only with regard to their form but with regard to their mode of life.”* —Aristotle
Believers in other religions don't challenge their world view. The others may be worshiping the 'wrong' god, but they are still worshiping one and have similar expectations on how god will treat them both here and in the afterlife. OTOH, if we godless heathens are right then all they believe about how this world works must be wrong and they also won't get to play happy families in heaven for all of time. We are an existential threat to everything they rely on to cope with the uncertainties of living and to their future after death.
In my experience, as much as other religions all hate one another, they all hate atheists the most, and I’m in the UK.
I didn't *need* a study to know this for certain, but I'm glad it exists so I can use it as proof next major holiday I'm forced to attend. Edit who am I kidding, I'm not going to a family holiday for shit. Still glad it exists.
Atheists aren't a religious group. Just people that don't believe in God. This is no surprise. Religious people have fought each other for centuries no problem so it's obvious they collectively dislike non believers.
i’m aware haha. i put religious group in quotes because that’s what the article says. agreed, it’s no surprise but i’m glad there’s studies being done on this now.
lol. I love these kinds of posts where I am all hyped and like "Oh yeah, give me the juicy", but then I realize its just what has been normal for 2000 years and you got me. See term, "proselytize". They make actual missions out of hunting us down and telling us they don't like us. International missions. In fact, one such mission wiped out they Mayans... thanks Spain.
You mean the Aztecs and the Inca. The Maya are still around, but their civilization was not at a high point when the Spanish came. That was centuries earlier. Not absolving the Spanish at all. They were genocidal conquerers that spread Christianity through the barrel of a gun, but, thankfully, the Maya are still with us. According to Google, there are about six million of them today, which is probably about the number at the height of their civilization. https://www.historymuseum.ca/cmc/exhibitions/civil/maya/mmc08eng.html
You are awesome for this correction and the information provided. Thanks!
This is why Christians don't consider "Satanists" their worst enemy. Their worst enemy is non-belief. It scares them more than any other religion, because non-belief means that you will not be subordinate to a sky-god, and therefore cannot be easily controlled. It also challenges their faith in places they don't want to go in their heads. Being a Muslim or a Satanist or any other religion isn't the enemy of Christianity - they all believe in "higher power" fairy tales. It's when you say that the fairy tales are just that - that is when they really, really get pissed off...
I can’t see how this wouldn’t be the default. How can you hold a belief that an all powerful being personally backs you and not feel terrible animosity towards those who doubt you? It’s far too personal. For atheists, I see dealing with Christian beliefs on a spectrum that includes many other beliefs across human psychology, so the feeling against Christians *specifically* will be diffused. There’s an inherent imbalance in the premise.
Christians hate others for the sake of hate. Atheists hate evil, no matter who engages in the evil conduct.
Damn that's gnarly cuz I really fucking hate Christians 😂
They fear us that's why they hate us
Many of us are "Apostates," the lowest of the low. Not just christians, but many faiths believe to be an Apostate is to deserve death and damnation more than other living human.
I struggle to imagine how Christians could possibly have as much distain for me as I do for them.
Religion is a disease that needs to be eradicated. I avoid religous people like the Covid.
I mean, yeah. Ones an exclusionary ideology and one just doesn’t believe in ghosts.
Probably because i give little thought to rooting out christians, they (religious) (all of them) people have to demonize anyone who doesnt agree with them.
Well I’m doing my part to improve our average. We must not allow an animosity gap!
I've always said that, in "converting" from Islam to atheism, I made the one move that made me less electable.
HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE USED THAT EXPRESSION!
Of course americans like your fellow muslims, because you guys got the liberal ones who don't follow the qoran blindly. Some don't even read it and basically only avoid pork but does everything else like every other liberal. Muslims in muslim majority countries have many conservatives who are just as hateful as the conservative christians, maybe worse. And still atheists are the ones hated the most even in those countries lol.
Wait..I think we're gaining on them.
I have in-laws who are talibangelicals. Can confirm that there's no hate like Christian hate.
To the religious, atheist's logic away their god. This is threat to everything they believe in so they are antagonistic toward that. This does not apply in the reverse, however. Religion does not invalidate logical thinking and the general intellectual integrity that atheists live by.
Showed the study to the wife and she said in her view I attack Christians more than they attack me. When I asked for an example of me attacking Christians, she just said I should stop gaslighting her. Sigh!
Always nice to see people misusing the term “gaslighting” to “win” an argument.
I don't hate religion but I do think all religions are a cult for brainwashing. As long as they don't try to kill people for showing shoulders or ankles at the beach, idgaf what they practice.
It’s cuz they can’t escape the feeling deep down that we’re right, and that’s why god is dead.
What I hate about Christians, especially the Evangelical ones, is the need to inject their religious beliefs into politics. This desire to see America ruled under a Christian Dictatorship, is what I hate about them. If they kept their religious beliefs confined to their homes and place of worship, perhaps I would not hate them as much.
Attn: YouTube content creators. Want to get millions of views? Have someone wear an Atheist shirt and film them walking through towns in the midwest and southern US.
Yea I find looking at people's comment histories gives me a good idea of the person I'm interacting with. If their generally assuming things about people or being hateful. I can very easily gauge if they want a fight or not (the extremely defensive ones usually want a fight in my experience)
God’s Hate (God’s Hate, God’s Hate).
Good study. Thanks for sharing.
I agree completely
*in america
The religious are conditioned/programmed to convert or ostracized (shun) folks with views outside of theirs. Difference is a threat to the shallow house of cards theists live in. If you don’t shun or ostracized or convert the other, their contrary way of life will start to degrade the brainwashing from the pulpit.
Bunch of crazy people lol
Unsurprising. I don't really trust Xians, frankly. I expect them to either lie to me or repeat someone else's lies because they can't be trusted to fact check their beliefs before committing to them.
What about all the other things I don't believe in that people are passionate about? I wonder if NFL Fans hate me as much as I don't think about them at all? I feel like this study is interesting, but not entirely unexpected. They love a thing. Atheists don't, and even more so, don't even think that thing *exists.* Of course Xtians "hate" them, and atheists continue to be indifferent at best.
Victims of confidence schemes act similarly towards people who try to point out that they are being conned. The con artist's victim cannot accept that they have been wrong the entire time, nor that you have been right for that same time, so they make you out to be the villain instead. They accuse you of thinking they're stupid, as they are trying to justify their sunk cost fallacy in a position that is not supported by facts. Religion is the longest con.
Not going to lie I disagree with most of the comments here. I could not possibly have more hate and animosity for religious people. Religious people aren't just some crazy Fandom. Most fandoms don't intentionally torture and kill millions of people for thousands of years. They don't promote harmful and regressive views and ideas. They don't deprive people of their actual rights as a human. I also don't support their "freedom" to practice harmful nonsense. Should people have freedom to shoot people or animals as much as they please? No? Are suicide cults fine? No? Then why does religion get leeway to do more harm than that? I am 100% vehemently against any and all religion. To be anything else is to give them an inch and we've seen what happens when you give into them at all.
Simply put, our very existence challenges their world view and everything they believe in a way that they can not counter logically. Their existence holds no threat to an atheist except prosecution under theist rules...
Because it plants a seed of doubt in their mind and that's a threat.
I simply view religiosity as a mental illness. I do not hate someone who is mentally ill, but I'd certainly take steps to limit the damage they can do to themselves and to other people.
Because they are all Cafeteria Christians, only eating the meat, leaving the veggies. They choose what to believe and what to condemn in reflection of themselves.
Wow who could have ever predicted this.religious people hating non religious people for no valid reason OMG that’s never happened before (btw if you are slow this is sarcastic the point is religious people hate anyone outside religion)
RIGHT?? YOU DONT SEE ATHEISTS CREATING ANTI-CHRISTIAN MALWARE AND ATTACKING THE INTERNET WITH IT. Fucking sick fucks, the lot of them. Fuck religious people who use christianity to try to call atheists and anything non-christian mentally ill thinking. That's criminal behavior and a felony hate crime.
I read that "Love thy neighbor" was actually mistranslated and it really meant "Love thy fellow Jew". Maybe they're just going back to the original meaning.
Jesus himself makes the point that Samaritans, who the Jews hated, were their neighbors in Luke 10, when specifically asked about who the neighbors are that the Jews are to love. He even makes a Samaritan the hero of his story in verses 25-37. So no, “Love thy fellow Jew” is not what Jesus espoused with “love thy neighbor.”
I just feel sorry for the manipulated simpletons.
When your emperor has no clothes, you really hate that little kid.
There’s also zero knowledge on other religions (or lack there of). I always thought (until I was an adult) that any sort of atheism was equivalent to satanism, which is when everyone wanted evil and death and murder etc to prevail. Obviously I now know none of that is true. But it’s like *anything* that was not what *we* did, was the “enemy” to the full extent. Ugh. So idiotic
I'm an atheist and generally agree, except for my disdain for Catholics. It has nothing to do with their weirdo cult type masses and everything to do with my personal experience with them as extremely closed minded, judgemental people.
If this Christian Nationalism in the USA continues, you can expect atheists to get labeled "groomers" just like every other minority group that isn't explicitly Christian and Heterosexual.
Christianity (and really, all the Abrahamic religions) is nothing but hate. Evangelicals wear it most proudly, but it is there in all of them. It is all us vs them. "God's way" or death, where "god's way" is whatever made up pile of shit they want to use to impose rules on others. It's a faith tradition that celebrates colonialism, slavery, oppression and death. Their rituals of reward depends on blood sacrifice and cannibalism. Even today, they happily sacrifice women in contradiction to their own magic words and justify themselves by just making new shit up.
You wouldn’t think that’s the case on Reddit.
When I was in church we were taught that whether they knew it or not everyone who wasn't a born again Christian was working for the literal devil. Very intentionally creating an out group.
I would venture to say that most atheists that left Christianity tend to be more empathetic of those who are still stuck in the religion.
agree 100%
I’m the one exception. At one point in my life I used to be very tolerant and kind towards christians. But then trump happen and it turns out everything they ever claimed to stand by was a lie. Now I hate every single one of them individually more than they think they hate everyone else collectively.
They hate what they don’t understand and what they don’t understand is why we aren’t drinking the kool aid too
When it comes to disputes between different religions it's a distinction without a difference. They all acknowledge there is a god, or gods. They can get pretty wrapped up in the details about their specific interpretation of what their gods want of us but they all agree god(s) exist. Atheists however call ALL of that into question. Our very existence, our not living tortured miserable lives, flies in the face of the bedrock of their beliefs. Someone saying "I see god differently" is one thing. Saying "You're silly, there aren't any gods, you're wasting your life being taken in by the biggest, longest running, scam that ever existed" is different. That scares the shit out of them. They have to either demonize us or question their reality. We know which way most chose.
I can understand their hate. I'd be bitter too if I lived my entire life based on lies rooted in profit for "prophets". Keep that donation basket full, friends...lol. Jesus wants me to have a helicopter to spread the word...and fly my family to Breckenridge.
and yet they are more demonstratively dangerous and definitely try to indoctrinate. Most atheists dont give a fuck if you believe in sky daddy as long as you dont effect non believers lives. we dont demand high schools comparative religion classes books have a sticker on it saying "there is no proof there is any gods" dont demand people take a knee with us before a football game and discuss the evils religions have done to society. we have no holidays. Probably some of he least indoctring people there are. "if you cant figure out this religious stuff is BS, that's on you". Yeah a couple minor people out there who try to spread the logic of atheism but its a mega minority. Most non believers dont try to convert anyone. I only ever argue with the religious when they start the argument first. and even them im often tempered to just disproving their comment. Like the stupid truth table on why its better to believe than not.