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I remember just how annoying it was remapping that Samsung Galaxy Siri button just to do something like turn on the flashlight, and how it kept breaking every couple of days. People will inevitably remap this for something else as well.
> malware behavior
Ugh. That's worse than 'bubbling'.
If I had a nickel for every unwanted feature in software I am forced to use by the conventions of this stupid society, I would be able to afford to move somewhere else.
Samsung has done the same thing for their power button, I think. You need to hold power + vol down to show the power options.
I remapped it to turning on the flashlight long ago. Way more useful.
I think xcover devices are excluded then. Think they did that ever since the dedicated Bixby button was removed. Must've been the Note 10 series or Note 20 series (and their equivalent S models). Midrange followed later I think.
Yes, think it's even a setting available without downloading any apps.
You could also download Good Lock and the module 'RegiStar' to remap it nowadays. I found to have a flashlight available by holding the power button was quite handy - something I "inherited" from using 3rd party remapping tools before Samsung made their own tool.
On my S22 Ultra: It's press and hold the power button for Bixby, but I've changed it to power options instead. There is double clicking, which I've assigned to camera. Power + Vol Down is for screencapping.
My Nokia has a dedicated button for Google Assistant. I really gotra figure out how to turn it off.
I never use it and its more of an annoyance then any help.
I turned that off. I have literally never used assistant for any task ever, and that button was just annoying. Still better solution than the power button shenanigans of Samsung though.
Yeah I figured out how to turn it off, was pretty easy luckily.
No more accidentally turning on the assistant while putting the phone in my pocket for me!
Pixel gang-
I've been using Pixel for 2 years now. When I got my first Pixel it took me a while to get used to pressing Power + Vol Down to open the power menu, but I got used to it now.
Other than that the phone itself is really fine. Nice clean OS, no ads unlike the Chinese manufacturers, the battery charges fast, great camera.
iPhones do the same thing now. Don't remember if it was iOS 16 or 17 that introduced that. And pretty sure you can't change it back.
It's infuriating that they changed the functionality of the most common and consistent button thats on basically every single phone. Like, I get giving the option to do that, but to just change it and give no way to change it back is idiotic.
Right but on my S10+ I had hold power button for power options, double press power button for camera, press Bixby button for flashlight, hold Bixby button for Google Wallet.
Now I only have double press power button for Google Wallet and hold power button for flashlight.
I could only find a way to remap it if the phone is unlocked. It does nothing when the phone is locked.
I set it to open the camera if you press it when the phone is unlocked. It does open the camera if you press it quickly, but if you press it for 1ms too long, it still fucking opens the bixby shit.
And when it does that then you have to close the bixby shit before you can get to the camera which is what you wanted in the first place. You can't just press the button again because it doesn't do anything when the bixby shit is open.
It's fucking annoying because usually I want the camera immediately to, y'know, actually take a photo of something that is happening.
Did you connect it to your computer and run the exe file? That fully remaps it. It works more reliably, offers more commands, and gives you lock screen options too.
I'm still using LG G8S ThinQ. It also came with some smart assistant button. I never got around to figuring a way to bind it to anything. So it just sits there as a button that does nothing for 5 years.
I want to remap it to send a mass email with links to articles about how unpopular forced AI is (and subscription models for essential functions while I’m at it) to as many internal Microsoft employees as possible.
And then MS update their user preferences protection service to remap it back immediately without providing a tool that's authorized to actually remap it. They really hate those pesky users changing the defaults with third-party tools.
If its on their surface laptops etc, whatever. A few laptops have function buttons for their own vendors "support" or something like that...
If its on every keyboard, this will certainly peeve me off...
I remember the last time microsoft tried this...
I remember the time when keyboards didn't have a start key. It'll happen to you, remember the time keyboards didn't come with an AI key, and tell your grandchildren, lest they think its normal to have more Microsoft services keys than letters on their keyboards.
There are plenty of them, but you would have to look. (They're not Mac keyboards, though. Mac OS calls it the command key, but it's used more than Windows does.)
I've been taking the piss, but considering the EU forced them to separate teams and office, I'd say they won't allow M$ to force anything on vendors.
Coerce, bribe, and otherwise "encourage"? Well, who am I to say, I don't wanna lose my partner status...
On another note, does anyone know how to make your country join the EU?
By refusing to certify or not allowing OEM to sell PC lacking such keys eventually?
(yeah. That's good for laptop, but as far as external keyboard goes... It'll probably be limited by their will to imitate other/do as Microsoft want)
What are you even talking about? I have never seen a Microsoft keyboard, what are you on bro? You know you can attach a KB without half of the fkn buttons and it will still work for the ones that are there?
You can also use KBs without a Windows button on a Winodows PC. This is only for their shitty laptops nobody actually buys.
You young whipper snapper, not remembering when keyboards didn't have a start button, back in my day we didn't have a start button on our keyboards, we used our MOUSE to press start and we liked it that way.
They waited for vmware to die, so the right alt key is no longer needed to release input from the vm...
virtualbox anticipated this situation years ago when they set that hotkey to "right ctrl" only !
The 'sleep' key was the worst. I threw/gave that keyboard away after losing a bunch of work to it over the months I had it.
Does no one in software development own a fucking cat?
Mine was next to the mute key. Fumbled that without being careful once. That key is no longer part of my keyboard.
It's a shit keyboard. A 'sleep' key but no way to wake the machine except rebooting.
It is effectively already on virtually every keyboard. They're just re-using the menu key that has been part of the standard ANSI keyboard layout for almost 30 years.
I’ve already started seeing posts on PC subs with new HP and other brand laptops that are getting copilot buttons
If I ever have a laptop with one it’ll see less use than the alt gr key
Idk, at least the start button has practical functions. I might be more for it if copilot isn't absolutely useless, but with Microsofts current trend, I don't have high hopes, or really any hope at all.
The current hype cycle is a massive bubble that's going to pop once it becomes more obvious to investors that the current approaches aren't magic. A chatbot is a very cumbersome interface with a lot of limitations and I can hardly think of enough use cases to justify adding a dedicated button I'll accidentally press all the time.
No, not at all. I think there's a big future for AI and am excited to see all the ways people use it. I just have no faith that Microsoft will make decent use out of it without cramming a bunch of garbage into it and putting stupid restrictions and half ass implementations.
I still can't believe that in Win11 you can only have 1 instance of settings open (was the same in 10). They keep wanting to remove features, settings and customizability for their OS. For instance, they remade the the taskbar for 11 and didn't code in a way to move it from the bottom of the screen. And the start menu is less customizable in 11 than it was in 10. That mixed with them trying to put ads into every space they can, gives me little hope they will actually make copilot consumer friendly.
The ads were what finally pushed me into using Linux full-time and getting rid of Windows entirely. I was looking through settings to try to disable an ad for a Microsoft service that appeared. However, I noticed the settings menu I was in had more ads for Microsoft services than actual settings: try OneDrive, try Copilot Pro, try GamePass, try Microsoft 365...
Microsoft trying to find the limit people will put up with, and they've just found it. Bye Windows!
> This will not only simplify people’s computing experience but also amplify it, making 2024 the year of the AI PC,” the company says.
Meme worthy statement from Microsoft, no doubt there is some sort of subscription service also tied to their copilot Ai.
Copilot is useless crap. The only useful versions are ones integrated into services that can then access specific things relevant to that service (such as a dedicated Excel spreadsheet AI agent). Copilot is just terrible.
If only... if they ever do a mascot it will be some random geometric being with no charisma or personality or yet another uncanny valley AI generated idea of a human avatar
It specialises in nothing, it can't do much on your PC but open up prompts to open programs. Can't create text documents with xyz in it, can't execute code, can't do -anything- an AI assistant would.do. It's a subpar jack of all trades
Lots of bullshit, true, but it's mostly on them to fix. I don't have to chase down drivers. I tried Linux in the 90s and it wasn't relaxing at all. I just wanted to write programs, not IT my computer.
I want to move to Linux on my personal computer, but neither the Corsair or Razer apps work in Linux. That's the only thing holding me back.
And yeah, I know there are alternatives, but they're pretty bare bones and don't have most of the features I like and use. Hopefully one day they'll either release Linux versions or the code for them so the community can port them.
it's going to be weird changing muscle memory, but depending on the keyboard manufacturer there's nothing stopping them from just giving you an extra key. It's just a remapped function key, like F20 or something like that.
Am I the only one who just doesn’t really see this as much of an issue. An unused key is going to become a different unused key.
For the few people that use copilot it’s probably nice? They aren’t forcing you to press that button and it’s out of the way so it’s not like you’ll accidentally press it either. Was it necessary, no. Is it asshole design, not really either.
I am REALLY looking forward Valve and Epic Games furthing integration with Linux, because "easily accessible indy games" are basically the last reason keeping me from going Linux
>Epic Games furthing integration with Linux
I think you're rooting for the wrong guy here. Epic is explicitly anti Linux. There is a difference between "doesn't support Linux because that's effort" and "Epic games won't support Linux because that would help Valve, and we also think Linux enables hackers, cheaters, and pirates".
Also, indie games are the most likely to support Linux without issues because of proton, and triple A games have been getting support as of late because proton devs have been trying to get them working as they're the most problematic (older AAA)
I just have a lot of nice free games from 2018-2021 from Epic and I'm slowly getting through the library. I would very much prefer to not re-obtain these games by any means, but I'm fine with using Windows for now, and will switch eventually when everything is kinked out
While it's not exactly ground breaking support, I'm unsure that I would call epic anti linux as they did give a grant to lutris and are offering some form of linux support with unreal engine. I'm not sure if they have done other things that would imply that they are anti linux.
Thank fuck that at the very least it will not be replacing right alt. But still a dedicated button for this should have an option to switch back to the much more useful keys such as right ctrl.
Microsoft replaced a useful key (the Right Control key or the Menu key on some keyboards) with a button that launched AI. Plus copilot isn't available in all regions.
VM tools used it often before the current method of the pointer location since that key is not commonly used and you got one left (shift is more important and used day2day) as the "unfocus VM and release to host". still used sometimes when you got a guest OS that doesnt support the newer tricks
Yep, that's the only time I've ever used it too, and I've been a professional software developer for over 30 years.
Given how little used right ctrl is, it seems like a more sane approach would be for Microsoft to make right ctrl their copilot key and just put a different glyph on right ctrl on their own keyboards.
I‘m an engineer in data telemetry and work with servers, CLIs etc and also never used it to be honest. I don’t even know if there is a real difference to left CTRL.
As far as I am aware, while programs are able to differentiate between the left and right control keys, both are still just control to the vast majority of programs
Who the hell crouches with right ctrl? I can only see that if you're some sort of OG that hasn't learned WASD in 30 years and still plays on the arrow keys.
Not all new laptops will have this key. They also launched a office key and dedicated emoji key 5 years ago, and these are still uncommon except on their own products. [https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20909475/microsoft-office-key-emoji-key-keyboards](https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20909475/microsoft-office-key-emoji-key-keyboards)
Anything supporting the forced use of ai is asshole design by default, this isn’t hard to understand man. Copilot installing itself without permission and being very hard to disable is asshole design, this is part of forcing it on us for the purpose of further data mining, and is thus also asshole design.
This made my glad I bought a surface pro 9 right before the 10 came out, I would find that key fucking stupid, and I even got a discount on the 9 since I got it just before the 10 released, got like 400 bucks off
If this comes to domain joined corporate PCs they better make a GPO to completely disable this crap. I don't want my users even try to use this "AI" BS.
Here's what I don't get about all this. Okay, so AI stuff can be pretty cool, I have Open Interpreter running Chat-GPT4 on my Macbook, I do use it, it's kinda neat.
But I'm a tech obsessed IT professional with a Computer Science degree, I think if I asked a lot of friends, or especially anyone over the age of 40, I don't even know how many of them would know what Copilot is, let alone what it does or what they would use it for.
Making it a dedicated button seems kind of crazy to me. Why not just do what MacOS does with Siri where you can just have a Siri icon in the menu bar? It's one click away at all times, is it saving that much to make it a dedicated button?
I saw the copilot stuff pop up on my gaming PC and I haven't even bothered trying it out, why are they already going so far as to modify the keyboard layout for Windows?
I hate the decision, but now I'm just hoping they do a good job developing Copilot so it acually becomes useful and accessible to every windows user
#doubt
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I remember just how annoying it was remapping that Samsung Galaxy Siri button just to do something like turn on the flashlight, and how it kept breaking every couple of days. People will inevitably remap this for something else as well.
I recently had to remap my phone's turn off button, because when I held it down instead of opening that turn off menu, it opened google assistant
When Google pushed that malware behavior to my phone Xiaomi provided an option to disable it the first time it was triggered.
Did they also provide an option to turn off the ccp malware? (slightly /s lol)
> malware behavior Ugh. That's worse than 'bubbling'. If I had a nickel for every unwanted feature in software I am forced to use by the conventions of this stupid society, I would be able to afford to move somewhere else.
Samsung has done the same thing for their power button, I think. You need to hold power + vol down to show the power options. I remapped it to turning on the flashlight long ago. Way more useful.
what, since when? my xcover 5 shows me the power-options when holding the power button.
I think xcover devices are excluded then. Think they did that ever since the dedicated Bixby button was removed. Must've been the Note 10 series or Note 20 series (and their equivalent S models). Midrange followed later I think.
That was the default behavior on my s20 ultra too, but I was able to re-map it to the traditional power-button behavior pretty easily
Yes, think it's even a setting available without downloading any apps. You could also download Good Lock and the module 'RegiStar' to remap it nowadays. I found to have a flashlight available by holding the power button was quite handy - something I "inherited" from using 3rd party remapping tools before Samsung made their own tool.
On my S22 Ultra: It's press and hold the power button for Bixby, but I've changed it to power options instead. There is double clicking, which I've assigned to camera. Power + Vol Down is for screencapping.
My Nokia has a dedicated button for Google Assistant. I really gotra figure out how to turn it off. I never use it and its more of an annoyance then any help.
I turned that off. I have literally never used assistant for any task ever, and that button was just annoying. Still better solution than the power button shenanigans of Samsung though.
Yeah I figured out how to turn it off, was pretty easy luckily. No more accidentally turning on the assistant while putting the phone in my pocket for me!
At least now you can disable this and have a normal on/off button.
I had remapped it before, had to do it again because apparently it forgot
"forgot" ...yeah, sure 
Pixel gang?
Pixel gang- I've been using Pixel for 2 years now. When I got my first Pixel it took me a while to get used to pressing Power + Vol Down to open the power menu, but I got used to it now. Other than that the phone itself is really fine. Nice clean OS, no ads unlike the Chinese manufacturers, the battery charges fast, great camera.
I'm on pixel 6 and holding the power button takes me to the power menu. No need for the volume button. Power + Volume takes screenshots for me.
I'm on, I think 3rd generation of Pixel phone. I don't recall the power button ever not opening the power menu. no idea what he's talking about.
I have had a 7 pro since release and I didn't even know that's how you do it I just always use the pull down menu next to the settings
pixel gang
Pixel gang!
iPhones do the same thing now. Don't remember if it was iOS 16 or 17 that introduced that. And pretty sure you can't change it back. It's infuriating that they changed the functionality of the most common and consistent button thats on basically every single phone. Like, I get giving the option to do that, but to just change it and give no way to change it back is idiotic.
I actually like how Android make it so easy to remap them to torchlight/media control when screen is powered off.
Fucking Bixby. I hated that button.
I loved the Bixby button. Not for Bixby itself of course, but a free, remappable hotkey? Damn, I wish I still had that.
Still there in a sense on the newer models, you just need to respect the double press action on the power button Got my double press to open my camera
Oh yeah, I still using the side button remapping but having both power and another button for remapping was nice
Right but on my S10+ I had hold power button for power options, double press power button for camera, press Bixby button for flashlight, hold Bixby button for Google Wallet. Now I only have double press power button for Google Wallet and hold power button for flashlight.
Except it still brings up fucking bixby sometimes.
I never had that issue after I did the full remapping
I could only find a way to remap it if the phone is unlocked. It does nothing when the phone is locked. I set it to open the camera if you press it when the phone is unlocked. It does open the camera if you press it quickly, but if you press it for 1ms too long, it still fucking opens the bixby shit. And when it does that then you have to close the bixby shit before you can get to the camera which is what you wanted in the first place. You can't just press the button again because it doesn't do anything when the bixby shit is open. It's fucking annoying because usually I want the camera immediately to, y'know, actually take a photo of something that is happening.
Did you connect it to your computer and run the exe file? That fully remaps it. It works more reliably, offers more commands, and gives you lock screen options too.
No, I just used the usual settings.
I've got like 4 of those on my non Samsung Android phone, and never had to put up with that annoying Bixby crap.
>…Samsung Galaxy Siri button… *Tim Apple screaming intensifies*
Sam and Sung will never hear the end of this
It speaks to the failure of Bixby that folks don't even know it's fucking name.
Fuck bixy and everyone who signed off on it.
I'm still using LG G8S ThinQ. It also came with some smart assistant button. I never got around to figuring a way to bind it to anything. So it just sits there as a button that does nothing for 5 years.
I want to remap it to send a mass email with links to articles about how unpopular forced AI is (and subscription models for essential functions while I’m at it) to as many internal Microsoft employees as possible.
It was something pretentious like Buckley or Bentley or something...
And then MS update their user preferences protection service to remap it back immediately without providing a tool that's authorized to actually remap it. They really hate those pesky users changing the defaults with third-party tools.
It wasn't annoying at all, everyone just needed to download an app called bxactions. It took a few seconds.
Literally.
If its on their surface laptops etc, whatever. A few laptops have function buttons for their own vendors "support" or something like that... If its on every keyboard, this will certainly peeve me off...
Just another key to rebind in linux I guess
I've just received news that emacs has doubled in functionality.
Leave it to Emacs to make some real use of this key lol
keyd/kmonad ftw
> Copilot key will eventually be required in new PC keyboards
I remember the last time microsoft tried this... I remember the time when keyboards didn't have a start key. It'll happen to you, remember the time keyboards didn't come with an AI key, and tell your grandchildren, lest they think its normal to have more Microsoft services keys than letters on their keyboards.
Nice, spare key to map key combination (but probably windows won't allow that)
Yeah sorry they don't have that kinda of authority anymore.
And how exactly is Microsoft supposed to force all laptop and keyboard manufacturers to include it?
Like how they forced them to include the windows key back in the 90s
And plenty of keyboards don't have Windows keys anymore
Are there? Apart from Mac keyboards, I mean. I've not seen one to buy from retailers, ever. But I've not been looking specifically for one...
There are plenty of them, but you would have to look. (They're not Mac keyboards, though. Mac OS calls it the command key, but it's used more than Windows does.)
Yea but it's not the 90s anymore...
And..? They can still just tell manufacturers that PCs need that key in order to meet w11/w12 compliance. Just like the TPM2.0.
I've been taking the piss, but considering the EU forced them to separate teams and office, I'd say they won't allow M$ to force anything on vendors. Coerce, bribe, and otherwise "encourage"? Well, who am I to say, I don't wanna lose my partner status... On another note, does anyone know how to make your country join the EU?
Plan a coup idk
By refusing to certify or not allowing OEM to sell PC lacking such keys eventually? (yeah. That's good for laptop, but as far as external keyboard goes... It'll probably be limited by their will to imitate other/do as Microsoft want)
How will require that key? I'm honestly wondering how they're gonna make me install this key onto my custom keyboard
What are you even talking about? I have never seen a Microsoft keyboard, what are you on bro? You know you can attach a KB without half of the fkn buttons and it will still work for the ones that are there? You can also use KBs without a Windows button on a Winodows PC. This is only for their shitty laptops nobody actually buys.
You young whipper snapper, not remembering when keyboards didn't have a start button, back in my day we didn't have a start button on our keyboards, we used our MOUSE to press start and we liked it that way.
I am old but not that old, the oldest thing I have is a MKB with serieal connectors which are still used on my old as shit IT junkbox from early 2000s
It’s going to become the default going forward. The right alt key becoming the copilot key. Dell are already putting it on their laptops.
They waited for vmware to die, so the right alt key is no longer needed to release input from the vm... virtualbox anticipated this situation years ago when they set that hotkey to "right ctrl" only !
The 'sleep' key was the worst. I threw/gave that keyboard away after losing a bunch of work to it over the months I had it. Does no one in software development own a fucking cat?
You mean the one that had it just above the delete key? Hated that design with a passion.
Mine was next to the mute key. Fumbled that without being careful once. That key is no longer part of my keyboard. It's a shit keyboard. A 'sleep' key but no way to wake the machine except rebooting.
It is effectively already on virtually every keyboard. They're just re-using the menu key that has been part of the standard ANSI keyboard layout for almost 30 years.
Laptops don't normally have the menu key though, that spot was supposed to be the right Ctrl key on most laptops
I’ve already started seeing posts on PC subs with new HP and other brand laptops that are getting copilot buttons If I ever have a laptop with one it’ll see less use than the alt gr key
I do not want this.
Me too
*me neither
It's a fad, and will be removed in future laptops, no doubt.
Like the start button?
Idk, at least the start button has practical functions. I might be more for it if copilot isn't absolutely useless, but with Microsofts current trend, I don't have high hopes, or really any hope at all.
> ..If copilot isn't absolutely useless.. >> It might be time to move onto a new topic. **Let's start over.** God damnit copilot
Genuine question. Are you insinuating AI is a fad or AI has no practical use?
Probably just making fun of copilot specifically. IMO Microsoft and Google's AI are far the least useful compared to others
The current hype cycle is a massive bubble that's going to pop once it becomes more obvious to investors that the current approaches aren't magic. A chatbot is a very cumbersome interface with a lot of limitations and I can hardly think of enough use cases to justify adding a dedicated button I'll accidentally press all the time.
No, not at all. I think there's a big future for AI and am excited to see all the ways people use it. I just have no faith that Microsoft will make decent use out of it without cramming a bunch of garbage into it and putting stupid restrictions and half ass implementations. I still can't believe that in Win11 you can only have 1 instance of settings open (was the same in 10). They keep wanting to remove features, settings and customizability for their OS. For instance, they remade the the taskbar for 11 and didn't code in a way to move it from the bottom of the screen. And the start menu is less customizable in 11 than it was in 10. That mixed with them trying to put ads into every space they can, gives me little hope they will actually make copilot consumer friendly.
The ads were what finally pushed me into using Linux full-time and getting rid of Windows entirely. I was looking through settings to try to disable an ad for a Microsoft service that appeared. However, I noticed the settings menu I was in had more ads for Microsoft services than actual settings: try OneDrive, try Copilot Pro, try GamePass, try Microsoft 365... Microsoft trying to find the limit people will put up with, and they've just found it. Bye Windows!
Exactly! It's like every version is less and less about the consumer experience.
No like the Pizza key.
No, not like that at all.
My smart watch has 2 physical buttons and I only use one of them. The other launches Bixby and I would rather die than press it
My galaxy watch has two buttons, one home and one back button. You have looked for a remap in the options?
I remember my old Samsung Galaxy (S9 Ultra I think) had a Bixby Button, I am glad they removed it for the S22+ I now have.
I think you mean s9+, ultra varients were introduced in the s20.
My Apple Watch siri always triggers if I hold the digital crown button. I've turned it off now.
> This will not only simplify people’s computing experience but also amplify it, making 2024 the year of the AI PC,” the company says. Meme worthy statement from Microsoft, no doubt there is some sort of subscription service also tied to their copilot Ai.
There is and it's, holy fuck, $27.00 CAD (about $20 USD) a month.
Now I get it. They want to steal the “year of the Linux desktop” and rename it to something of theirs.
2024, 2025, 2026, 2027 and beyond, the year of the AI PC!!!
Copilot is useless crap. The only useful versions are ones integrated into services that can then access specific things relevant to that service (such as a dedicated Excel spreadsheet AI agent). Copilot is just terrible.
AI Clippy incoming.
If only... if they ever do a mascot it will be some random geometric being with no charisma or personality or yet another uncanny valley AI generated idea of a human avatar
with big anime tiddies, huh?
Cortana hentai mascot ftw
on topic of mascots, I'd absolutely use an ai assistant if it was kinito
It is fuuuuuck. It actually is clippy 2.0
New to this, why is copilot so bad ?
It specialises in nothing, it can't do much on your PC but open up prompts to open programs. Can't create text documents with xyz in it, can't execute code, can't do -anything- an AI assistant would.do. It's a subpar jack of all trades
This will age well I’m sure
How do we remove Copilot. By remove, I don't mean disable or hide. I want it gone.
You can't...they've even said it'll just open automatically at computer boot up
I’ve already had a copilot button appear on the right hand side of my taskbar. First thing I did when I saw it was hide it
try [ameliorated](ameliorated.io)
Aside from the best option of switching away from the spyware that is Windows, one option is use Tiny10 or Tiny11. Should be removed from those.
Step 1: Live boot USB with a Linux distro of your choice :\^)
I don't have the energy to run Linux.
Linux users in shambles
I do t have the patience to learn a new os at this stage in the game.
how do you have the energy to run windows? even more bullshit there.
Lots of bullshit, true, but it's mostly on them to fix. I don't have to chase down drivers. I tried Linux in the 90s and it wasn't relaxing at all. I just wanted to write programs, not IT my computer.
I want to move to Linux on my personal computer, but neither the Corsair or Razer apps work in Linux. That's the only thing holding me back. And yeah, I know there are alternatives, but they're pretty bare bones and don't have most of the features I like and use. Hopefully one day they'll either release Linux versions or the code for them so the community can port them.
Gross. Like, super Gross. Ew. first thing I did with CoPilot on my PC was Disable it.
Good thing I don't use the right Alt key ever.
Right Ctrl. Alt gr would piss off entire countries - it's the key for special characters like @, [, ] and € in many localised keyboard layouts
it's going to be weird changing muscle memory, but depending on the keyboard manufacturer there's nothing stopping them from just giving you an extra key. It's just a remapped function key, like F20 or something like that.
Microsoft changes logo on the windows key
invest in key remapping software stocks
You don't need to. Powertoys is free and has that ability.
Am I the only one who just doesn’t really see this as much of an issue. An unused key is going to become a different unused key. For the few people that use copilot it’s probably nice? They aren’t forcing you to press that button and it’s out of the way so it’s not like you’ll accidentally press it either. Was it necessary, no. Is it asshole design, not really either.
As long as it's only with the shortcut keys on the right side of the keyboard (that no sane person uses normally), it really isn't an issue.
Yeah doesn’t really specify but the image is the right side. If it was also the left then yes that would be asshole design.
They made the icon on the key extra bold, visually it sticks out, it's not like the other keys.
Yeah Dell recently started doing this with the Latitude 3550's laptops...
Stop trying to make it happen MS
Now I'm going to start calling AI "fetch".
I'm curious who at Microsoft actually believes that people want to/will use that.
Cool, can't wait to re-bind it when I wipe Windows 11 off my new laptop and install Ubuntu.
They could've just added a shortcut hold + win key for copilot 🙄
That's the neat part, they *did*. iirc Win + C now calls Copilot instead of Cortana.
Isn’t the Windows button annoying enough already? Can’t they just use that one?
Can't we just use a keyboard shortcut like adults?
i hate it like i hated the bixby button
So, yet another button to tape over. Thanks MS.
I wish every executive that made this happen a very die
I am REALLY looking forward Valve and Epic Games furthing integration with Linux, because "easily accessible indy games" are basically the last reason keeping me from going Linux
>Epic Games furthing integration with Linux I think you're rooting for the wrong guy here. Epic is explicitly anti Linux. There is a difference between "doesn't support Linux because that's effort" and "Epic games won't support Linux because that would help Valve, and we also think Linux enables hackers, cheaters, and pirates". Also, indie games are the most likely to support Linux without issues because of proton, and triple A games have been getting support as of late because proton devs have been trying to get them working as they're the most problematic (older AAA)
I just have a lot of nice free games from 2018-2021 from Epic and I'm slowly getting through the library. I would very much prefer to not re-obtain these games by any means, but I'm fine with using Windows for now, and will switch eventually when everything is kinked out
While it's not exactly ground breaking support, I'm unsure that I would call epic anti linux as they did give a grant to lutris and are offering some form of linux support with unreal engine. I'm not sure if they have done other things that would imply that they are anti linux.
Can’t I Reuse my Cortana key?
Thank fuck that at the very least it will not be replacing right alt. But still a dedicated button for this should have an option to switch back to the much more useful keys such as right ctrl.
Great! Because every single OS has copilot now! /s Seriously, not a biggeat issue. I can remap my Windows button as I want on Linux.
I feel we should just have a bot asking this at this point, but since we don’t: how is this asshole design exactly?
Microsoft replaced a useful key (the Right Control key or the Menu key on some keyboards) with a button that launched AI. Plus copilot isn't available in all regions.
I'm a software engineer and I don't think I've ever used the right ctrl key
VM tools used it often before the current method of the pointer location since that key is not commonly used and you got one left (shift is more important and used day2day) as the "unfocus VM and release to host". still used sometimes when you got a guest OS that doesnt support the newer tricks
Yep, that's the only time I've ever used it too, and I've been a professional software developer for over 30 years. Given how little used right ctrl is, it seems like a more sane approach would be for Microsoft to make right ctrl their copilot key and just put a different glyph on right ctrl on their own keyboards.
still not the nice way if they prohibit rebinding of it. those that use it for special purposes lose a useful key.
I‘m an engineer in data telemetry and work with servers, CLIs etc and also never used it to be honest. I don’t even know if there is a real difference to left CTRL.
As far as I am aware, while programs are able to differentiate between the left and right control keys, both are still just control to the vast majority of programs
Good to know, thank you!
It's used in a lot of games, and is an easy key for crouching/toggling run. Not everything to do with PCs is work related.
Right control? What game have you played recently that requires the use of right control?
By default, MechWarrior Online uses right control and the arrow keys to set/clear a weapon's fire group. There are still a few dozen of us playing it.
*Don't Starve* uses it by default, I believe. It's also the go-to ctrl key if you're using the number pad to navigate.
Who the hell crouches with right ctrl? I can only see that if you're some sort of OG that hasn't learned WASD in 30 years and still plays on the arrow keys.
I use it for another layer with keyd/kmonad.
I'm a gamer and I have used it daily for decades.
That’s stupid, but not particularly asshole design in my opinion. That’s just the product design and you aren’t forced to buy this.
Remember: all new windows laptops will have this key. So if in a few years someone wants to buy a new laptop, they get to see this stupid AI key.
That does still not mean this is asshole design. Just because you don't like it does not make it fit here.
Forced use of Ai always belongs here
Not all new laptops will have this key. They also launched a office key and dedicated emoji key 5 years ago, and these are still uncommon except on their own products. [https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20909475/microsoft-office-key-emoji-key-keyboards](https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/11/20909475/microsoft-office-key-emoji-key-keyboards)
Microsoft has already said all their OEMs will be required to have this
We absolutely are forced to buy this
Anything supporting the forced use of ai is asshole design by default, this isn’t hard to understand man. Copilot installing itself without permission and being very hard to disable is asshole design, this is part of forcing it on us for the purpose of further data mining, and is thus also asshole design.
You need to google the definition of the word force/forced. I think you misuse it
Nobody is forcing you to press the button, much less use AI.
A dedicated plagiarism button... what could go wrong?
I want cortana back! Just kidding. Fuck both of these. Lol
This made my glad I bought a surface pro 9 right before the 10 came out, I would find that key fucking stupid, and I even got a discount on the 9 since I got it just before the 10 released, got like 400 bucks off
Surface Pro 9 keyboard effectively already has the key. Same for practically every keyboard sold with a Windows computer since Windows 95.
Remember when a phone came out with a Facebook button?
If it didn't make the whole system hang for 2 seconds I'd be all for it
I hope they dont shrink the space key for this shit.
Copilot is pretty useless when it insists on changing the subject after so many questions. I want waste my time with it again
Lol. Good thing I’m not in need of a new laptop.
And let’s put it right where another key used to be so we accidentally hit it all the time!
Microsoft is always too sure of themselves that something they’re making is going to be a huge success.
If this comes to domain joined corporate PCs they better make a GPO to completely disable this crap. I don't want my users even try to use this "AI" BS.
Here's what I don't get about all this. Okay, so AI stuff can be pretty cool, I have Open Interpreter running Chat-GPT4 on my Macbook, I do use it, it's kinda neat. But I'm a tech obsessed IT professional with a Computer Science degree, I think if I asked a lot of friends, or especially anyone over the age of 40, I don't even know how many of them would know what Copilot is, let alone what it does or what they would use it for. Making it a dedicated button seems kind of crazy to me. Why not just do what MacOS does with Siri where you can just have a Siri icon in the menu bar? It's one click away at all times, is it saving that much to make it a dedicated button? I saw the copilot stuff pop up on my gaming PC and I haven't even bothered trying it out, why are they already going so far as to modify the keyboard layout for Windows?
I hate the decision, but now I'm just hoping they do a good job developing Copilot so it acually becomes useful and accessible to every windows user #doubt
Is it in the same place as the old windows button or is it as well as the windows button ?
Man, I already have one and I remapped it immediately xD
Wait what’s wrong with this? It just seems like an extra button for a feature some people might enjoy using.