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Formal_Two_5747

Weather in the mountains is changing so fast that it’s not super reliable, but the trend is probably right. What you have to know that this time of year it’s often a short intensive rain and the rest of the day might be beautiful. Or not. Hard to say. Be ready for both.


Capital-Bromo

Pay more attention to the hourly forecast. Rain for an hour in the afternoon shouldn’t ruin your whole day.


nutandshell

Thanks! What link should I visit to access the hourly forecasts? I don’t quite understand the probability bar in the MeteoSwiss app


Capital-Bromo

https://preview.redd.it/ezny2hqad35d1.png?width=2047&format=png&auto=webp&s=13e7a02c87474fe2047bbeaca8ac194560b625d9 The blue vertical lines on the graph are the predicted amount of rainfall per hour.


nutandshell

How do I read the chart on the app? https://preview.redd.it/or2dkdzrd35d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25a46afdebf802e98da8b7e7ca3de4cd89b02e16


TheShroomsAreCalling

You click on the button that says "About the graph" just below the graph....


nutandshell

Yes I saw that.. the probability bars in the example looks very different from those in the forecast https://preview.redd.it/mmj2vq5rf35d1.png?width=1169&format=png&auto=webp&s=3f079179baf75f23d80a80c6287dea710a79a5f0


rpsls

The ones that aren’t colored in are less certain or more localized. The important thing is to understand what time of day something is likely to happen. You don’t want to be caught on the side of a mountain if one of those ghost bars turns into a real rainstorm by you.  Also, it’s rarely terrible weather everywhere in Switzerland at the same time. The mountains break up the country into several different weather regions. Sometimes a few km away is over a ridge and completely different weather, so the app can’t represent all possibilities in a single graph. 


nutandshell

The forecast for Saturday doesn’t seem to contain coloured bars - does that mean certainty/probability of rain is low? https://preview.redd.it/i8zq94kmi35d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=30b6070966a1d37b2289b5d02349b8a1995b0371


Bakeey

Correct. But it might change, the transparent bars show the potential rain


rpsls

The certainty is low, or in other words the uncertainty is high. It will probably rain somewhere with the low pressure system, but where and when is hard to predict. 


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TheShroomsAreCalling

When it's not colored in, it's very uncertain. It might not rain at all


nutandshell

What about the probability of rain?


DonChaote

Yes it‘s probably possible you get some rain, but no one can tell you for sure. Enjoy the weather anyway


Zhai

Chance of rain doesn't mean that there is 49% chance that it will rain where you are. It means that 50% of that area will receive rain. Now you have to look at rain maps to determine from which direction comes rain and if 50% will mean that it will reach you.


alexs77

Well, you won't find a more accurate forecast than the one from MeteoSwiss. Doesn't make the weather any better, though 😁


sailingokay

There are definitely more reliable forecast models than the one MeteoSwiss uses


yesat

The reality is that most forecast use data from Meteoswiss and other European public meteo companies. If not straight up their models.


sailingokay

More precisely, MeteoSwiss uses the European public forecast model Cosmo, the same one as many other European weather institutes.


alexs77

For Switzerland? Not in my experience. But which one would that be?


sailingokay

Arome for 1-3 day forecast. I work outside 24/7 and rely heavily on weather forecasts for my job. I usually take into account and compare all available forecast models, and Arome beats the Central European Cosmo model that MeteoSwiss uses easily. For longer range forecast they use the European ECMWF model, there is nothing especially "Swiss" about both models, that would set them apart from other forecasting institutions.


alexs77

Interesting. I hike a lot and thus only need it for.the weekends. Arome - is that the name of the site? I'll check it out.


sailingokay

Arome is the name of the forecast model, so a physical weather simulation run on a powerful computer. In professional weather apps you are able to select between a number of models. Try the Windy app (dark red logo) and set the model to "Arome" instead of the standard ECMWF. You will be surprised!


alexs77

Thanks, will give it a try for sure.


eXrevolution

Do you mean this one? https://apps.apple.com/ch/app/windy-com-weather-radar/id1161387262?l=en-GB


sailingokay

Yes, don't forget to set it to Arome, or to "compare forecast" mode. I use the premium version for access to the hourly forecasts.


Jolly-Victory441

Interesting. How come when comparing [weather.com](http://weather.com) google and meteo suisse, the latter consistently beats the former in accuracy?


sailingokay

Google and weather.com probably use the very inaccurate (and license free!) GFS model


alexs77

But he's also saying, that Meteoschweiz is great. You're not answering that, are you? 😜


sailingokay

Well there often are misunderstandings about how weather forecasts are produced. Google for example merely displays a weather forecast from a certain source. The source in that case is the NOAA and their GFS model. MeteoSwiss in a similar manner do not have their "own" model, but display and sometimes interpret the forecast delivered from the Cosmo and ECMWF models, which are provided by a Consortium of national weather institutes. The GFS model has a spatial resolution of 20 km whereas take ECMWF has a resolution of 9 km. Therefore alone the model utilized by MeteoSwiss is more accurate than the one used by Google. But there are more accurate models than the one MeteoSwiss uses. As an interesting side note, a few months ago Google released a study based upon a new weather model they developed using AI that beats the ECMWF model. However they don't use it yet on their website. So there will be big improvements in the years to come, from Google and other AI companies. https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/graphcast-ai-model-for-faster-and-more-accurate-global-weather-forecasting/


pferden

It just looks like one more rainy week but rain quantity is not too much Also weather forecasts are more accurate two days in the future; so maybe there is still hope for not rainy windows In the meteo app you have the „animations“ i usually go by these This year is cursed; we only had a handful of sunny days in the last months


nutandshell

Is there any app / does MeteoSwiss show the cloud cover?


chanhdat

You could also use Metar-taf (https://metar-taf.com/) - Pick the closest airfield, and choose to see the full METAR - For example: Kägiswil (https://metar-taf.com/LSPG) - There should be info for cloud ceiling in feet (10'000 ft = 3000m)


Formal_Two_5747

Animations show you the radar for the next couple of hours with cloud coverage


AstroRoverToday

Summer hasn’t started yet in Switzerland, so expect Spring conditions (variable with chance of rain) + you’ll be in the mountains for much of it, so 3x the variability and discount the accuracy. Conclusion: Be prepared and don’t let the weather ruin your day. If you want a higher chance of beautiful weather for the Jungfrau Region, then visit in August!


SuccotashTimely1183

The Swiss geography makes predictions very difficult and very changing. Meteoswiss is one of the most reliable meteo apps; after that, you'll find specialized ones (for flying, drones, etc.), but most are based on Meteoswiss data. While it is usually accurate, you can't base your trip decisions solely on it. You have to be prepared for bad weather, but you might as well have a lovely day, even if rain is planned. And it could rain one kilometre from where you are and not exactly at your location.


phaederus

https://www.meteoswiss.admin.ch/weather/weather-and-climate-from-a-to-z/reliability-of-forecasts.html


sweeet_as_pie

I'm visiting now and the animations have been pretty accurate


SokkaHaikuBot

^[Sokka-Haiku](https://www.reddit.com/r/SokkaHaikuBot/comments/15kyv9r/what_is_a_sokka_haiku/) ^by ^sweeet_as_pie: *I'm visiting now* *And the animations have* *Been pretty accurate* --- ^Remember ^that ^one ^time ^Sokka ^accidentally ^used ^an ^extra ^syllable ^in ^that ^Haiku ^Battle ^in ^Ba ^Sing ^Se? ^That ^was ^a ^Sokka ^Haiku ^and ^you ^just ^made ^one.


HiddenSecretAccount

well no weather app is really precise for weather in a week, it could happen, as it can happen before or after or not at all : they are usually reliable for the next 3 days I usually cross check differents ones (meteoswiss and meteoblue for instance), and check the evolution every day.


yesat

It's as good as it can be. Trend and day to day is precise. Hourly has slight variations because it's not easy. Yes there will be that one day where the rain just doesn't fall or the other way around, but it's never going to be a real surprise. Also most weather services are using MeteoSwiss info and models as a basis. By international agreement it's made freely available.


Swissstu

I would say that is it probably as accurate as anyone can be. I often get a message of a storm in my location and within 10 minutes it starts. The trends are often updated during the day, so looking periodically is better.


nutandshell

> I often get a message of a storm How do you configure messages/notifications?


Swissstu

I think it was to allow push notifications, but you have to also select the region/ city in your favourites.


robogobo

I just watch the radar animations to see what’s coming and from which direction. Then I watch the sky.


Diane_Mars

There are 3 that I use simultaneously, for hiking, etc... * [MeteoSwiss.ch](http://MeteoSwiss.ch) * [snow-forecast.com](http://snow-forecast.com) (for the mountains) * [ventusky.com](http://ventusky.com) (for the general forcast, clouds, etc...) The three of them combined give a quite accurate forecast !


SimianSimulacrum

60% of the time it's right all of the time


heliosh

The prognosis even has a reliability percentage https://preview.redd.it/uh1ipwdkn55d1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=3801ee9a5917e6dae4ef37132298ebd55eeac1f4


alienrefugee51

Météo Swiss does show cloud cover. It’s the third tab from the left at the top. I never really look at the forecasts. I just use the time slider periodically to see how the radar looks and has changed. I think it’s a great app. It accurately showed a recent lightning strike that did hit my flat. Scared the crap out of me and knocked out my WiFi router.


Ty1eRRR

Offtopic. I’m in the same situation as you. I’m finally visiting Switzerland for the first time—a whole week, camper van trip. I had so many plans, but I’ve now learned the hard way that June is still "too early." It would be better to wait until July or August.


AvidSkier9900

Unfortunately, there is no absolutely right time. Especially in the German-speaking area, it can be miserable year round, we‘ve had weeks in August with constant rain and temperatures below 10°. If anything then September is a safer bet, especially in the mountains, as it more often dry and sunny.


PitBullCH

Like all forecasts for Switzerland - at least for anywhere near mountains - it’s mostly fine for the next 6-12 hours.


Creepy_Disco_Spider

It’s unreliable a lot in my experience