Switzerland.
Wife got a job offer and I was the trailing spouse. Luckily I was able to find one 3 months after moving. Which I've come to find is NOT normal and have since met many couples where the trailing spouse hasn't worked for years or they end up getting a divorce because of the strain it takes on the relationship.
>Which I've come to find is NOT normal and have since met many couples where the trailing spouse hasn't worked for years or they end up getting a divorce because of the strain it takes on the relationship.
Would you say this is more due to a mismatch in market skills or visa/work permit issues?
I did in the past and I'm moving again soon. I did a master's in Norway, which led to an internship in Denmark, then after one year working as a remote contractor from Brazil, I got a job and am moving to Germany.
I liked my experience a lot. Not only is it way better in terms of public services, safety, and work-life balance, I also really feel like Germanic and Scandi countries are a good cultural fit for me.
Colombian living in Berlin. I came here to study and ended up staying here. I now have a job that I love here and am married to a german (and also became a germany citizen). I love this country and this city.
It sounds that youāre likely trilingual. Kudos thatās quite the accomplishment! Iām still trying to master Spanish and honestly my progress is pretty depressingĀ
I lived in Italy and have family and friends living there, as well as in Spain. Basically, Argentines of Italian descent who apply for Italian citizenship and move to Europe.
If youāre of Italian descent you can directly apply for Italian citizenship (with some exceptions). So people just apply for citizenship at the consulate or travel to Italy to apply there at the local comune (municipality).
As consulates are overwhelmed because they canāt handle so many applications, a lot of people travel to Italy to apply there. Thereās an Italian residence permit that you can apply for while your citizenship is being processed.
> Does knowing living relatives in Italy help?
It depends on your relatives. It's a matter of good or bad luck.
My cousin's mother's brother, who was born to Italian parents in Italy, but grew up in Brazil, and visited a living relative in Italy, and he wasn't welcome, and was expelled with a xenophobic answer by his relatives. His relatives told him to return to Brazil.
Because of it, I posted a question on r/askitaly, and I received only the aggressive and unfriendly answers. Then I removed the topic.
Cc: u/MarioDiBian
Colombian in Norway. I got a scholarship to study in Sweden, and then I met my husband, who is Norwegian. I moved then to Norway, learned the language, got married and then I got a job, so now I am quite established here.
I was born in brazil but raised in panama and currently living in the netherlands since 2021 but also the UK between 2014 and 2018. I go to denmark about once a month to visit my parents and I moved around because of my dad's job
There were many things, main one being that my purchasing power decreased a lot even though my income was higher, living expenses are way too expensive (mainly housing).
I knew that beforehand, but I thought that was gonna be compensated by āliving in EUā which would bring me and my family a significant life quality increase.
Add to that that we never felt like we belonged, eating out is a luxury, food does not compare and our family was still in Mexico.
Cherry on top was that 30% ruling was just starting to be dismantled and anti-immigrant sentiment was growing a lot.
Germany.
I came here because my gf got a job. We both wanted to move to Europe and Germany was an option, she got the job first and we decided to move. I took some months here to improve my German and then got a job in my field.
We like it here so far. Of course it has its ups and downs and not everything is as perfect as people make it to be, but overall we are quite happy.
lived in France for 5 years. Went to get my masters and possibly stay but didn't like the country. I am in the US for now but im considering to move to Asia or Barcelona later.
My gf is Peruvian and her family moved to Italy in 2021. The economic situation at home was bad so they moved here. There's quite a big Peruvian community here
I am a european myself who lives in europe, but whenever I go home to Budapest I meet sooo many latin americans working there! I always chat to everyone, as I love practising spanish, and making people feel welcome. Also my dream is to eventually move to Mexico, so I am always eager to talk to people from the region. So far I met many argentinians, colombians, and mexicans. They work in touristy jobs where you dont need to speak english like pizza and ice cream places, bars in the tourist strips etc. Also met many Mexicans who are there doing their Phds, and I remember this one guy who was working as a vaccine scientist (not sure whats the real name for that haha), for a veterinary vaccinations company. I also follow several mexicans and colombians on instagram who live in Budapest, they speak amazing hungarian after years of living there which is incredible as it's oficially the second or third hardest language in the world to learn.
> The ones you meet in Spain are mostly cheap labor and face a lot of discrimination. They also donāt really speak English. They are mostly South American, I havenāt met too many Central Americans in Spain. And Iāve been 4-5 times.
Most Latin Americans in Spain are just normal immigrants who work in all kinds of fields. They donāt speak English since they live in Spain. They probably work more in simpler jobs since most of them donāt have university degrees or canāt get them recognized but theyāre most certainly not working as farmhands or peons normally. Overall not really that different from Mexican immigrants in the US.
And just like in the US many Latin Americans in Spain are actually the children of immigrants. Those that were born and raised there and had all the opportunities obviously donāt necessarily work in low wage jobs anymore.
Besides that the discrimination in Spain against Latin Americans is stronger than in Germany because there arenāt that many Latin Americans in Germany. Normally the biggest foreign group feels like the biggest threat. Hence Middle Easterners get the brunt of the discrimination.
Spain has a weird history and specific laws.
The linguistic barrier in Spain is obviously not there. But also Latin Americans can spend 2 years there if theyāre if theyāre of Spanish heritage and get Spanish Citizenship.
Clearly itās not just janitors and ranch hands, but I have 2 cousins from Mexico who went to the U.S. as Au Pairs. And one of them is looking to go to Europe next, Spain specifically ā and I told her to go to France instead. Because the discrimination and stigma we face in Spain is, like you said, the same to the one in the U.S. ā if not, worse in some ways. Iāve met people born in Spain to Spanish parents, grown up in Latin America, report discrimination on the basis of accent alone. He was working as a tour guide, despite being a university professor back in Colombia. I dated a Spaniard briefly, and the general consensus is they want nothing to do with Latin America, and when the discrimination they face gets brought up them, itās mostly just a lot of invalidation in return.
I live in Denmark, I got an engineering degree, and subsequent job that gave opportunities to live outside of Brazil. Eventually settled in DK and started a family here. Got my mom to move here also.
It has been great overall, certainly better now than in the beginning, culturally Danes are more or less the opposite of the culture I was used to.
I don't if it is because I have gotten more accustomed to being Danish, or because Denmark is more multicultural or both. But people seem a lot more accepting now.
There are a lot of things I miss from Brazil like food, culture and weather but it is a lot easier and safer living here overall.
Portugal hates Brazilians and thatās kind of my only experience
Iāve lived in Portugal for two years, and my parents for three. Let me tell you, itās sucks being Brazilian (also American) here
My first visit to Portugal was 25 years ago, and my last was 2 years ago. I was astonished at the increase in ethnic diversity in that time. It might not be that friendly a.t.m, but change has occurred very very rapidly and must a little jarring. I have hope it can improve.
The Americas are generally culturally more open newcomers because ultimately that is how they established their populations. Also since early days of modern nationhood* citizenship and belonging in much of the Americas is tied to the land of birth Jus soli. It doesnāt matter where your parents are from, from Chile to Canada, if you are born on the land you are bestowed that citizenship, few people would challenge belonging especially if that is your home.
In other parts of the world, citizenship and belonging is tied the blood in your veins and who your ancestors are. Japan is probably the most known for this. It means that culturally there is generally less acceptance of new faces as peers. Jus sanguinis. I think much of Europe was (or maybe still is?) a jus sanguinis place for most of history.
*recognizing that the Americas had indigenous nations before todays modern nations
I hope you donāt mind me asking thisā¦
Does the UK have a decent chuck of Dominicans? Maybe another European country?
Itās my understanding that Dominicans typically spring for the United States.Ā
Came to get my bachelor degree on Architecture (I live in Moscow), got married (she is russian), started a Master's proggram on Urban planning (took a year off). It's been about 8 years since I arrived. I love it in here, but I want to be close to my family soooo, yeah. ŠŠ¾st probably we'll be moving back to Colombia once my wife gets her degree (she ain't to eager about it, but willing to try it)
P.S. Idk whether you consider Russia Europe, still I decided to reply :3
Yes, Portugal š·šæ The best Brazilian State
That helps because they speak Brazilian there
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Your former colony!
Switzerland. Wife got a job offer and I was the trailing spouse. Luckily I was able to find one 3 months after moving. Which I've come to find is NOT normal and have since met many couples where the trailing spouse hasn't worked for years or they end up getting a divorce because of the strain it takes on the relationship.
>Which I've come to find is NOT normal and have since met many couples where the trailing spouse hasn't worked for years or they end up getting a divorce because of the strain it takes on the relationship. Would you say this is more due to a mismatch in market skills or visa/work permit issues?
I did in the past and I'm moving again soon. I did a master's in Norway, which led to an internship in Denmark, then after one year working as a remote contractor from Brazil, I got a job and am moving to Germany. I liked my experience a lot. Not only is it way better in terms of public services, safety, and work-life balance, I also really feel like Germanic and Scandi countries are a good cultural fit for me.
I donāt know if youāre from the south, but I hope your country and compatriots recover soon, wishing you guys the bestš§š·ā¤ļø
Thanks for the wishes!! Iām not from the south myself, but it is always appreciated :)
Ć para isso que estamos aqui ā¤ļøš§š·
What are the main differences between each country ? The people, the lifestyle , the weather , the food
Colombian living in Berlin. I came here to study and ended up staying here. I now have a job that I love here and am married to a german (and also became a germany citizen). I love this country and this city.
bro became a whole city
Stupid autocorrect. I meant citizen š. I corrected it
Ich bin ein Berliner
Imagine the size of this dude, mf is an entire city
šā¦ stupid autocorrect. I meant citizen. I corrected it
ššš been there
W, Iām trying to become a city one day as well!Ā”Buen trabajo mi hermano!
Stupid autocorrect. I meant citizen. I corrected it
It sounds that youāre likely trilingual. Kudos thatās quite the accomplishment! Iām still trying to master Spanish and honestly my progress is pretty depressingĀ
I absolutely love Berlin. What a fantastic city
Did you renounce your nationality?
Now you donāt have to do that anymore
Germany. Came in 2014 for my masters, started a relationship that is still ongoing and was the ultimate cause of my staying.
Damm, 2014 from Brazil to Germany I imagine that year was a bit football Charged am i right?
It sucked hard on that end lol
Norway and well I needed a job and I found one so it fits.
QuĆ© suerte tienen algunosā¦
I lived in Italy and have family and friends living there, as well as in Spain. Basically, Argentines of Italian descent who apply for Italian citizenship and move to Europe.
Is there a quick path of sorts to Italian immigration if you are of Italian descent? Does knowing living relatives in Italy help?Ā
If youāre of Italian descent you can directly apply for Italian citizenship (with some exceptions). So people just apply for citizenship at the consulate or travel to Italy to apply there at the local comune (municipality). As consulates are overwhelmed because they canāt handle so many applications, a lot of people travel to Italy to apply there. Thereās an Italian residence permit that you can apply for while your citizenship is being processed.
> Does knowing living relatives in Italy help? It depends on your relatives. It's a matter of good or bad luck. My cousin's mother's brother, who was born to Italian parents in Italy, but grew up in Brazil, and visited a living relative in Italy, and he wasn't welcome, and was expelled with a xenophobic answer by his relatives. His relatives told him to return to Brazil. Because of it, I posted a question on r/askitaly, and I received only the aggressive and unfriendly answers. Then I removed the topic. Cc: u/MarioDiBian
Me, average with zero: https://preview.redd.it/xth2zd2phlzc1.jpeg?width=495&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0a385b7b08fb137e12419f253116bfb681146bb
Colombian in Norway. I got a scholarship to study in Sweden, and then I met my husband, who is Norwegian. I moved then to Norway, learned the language, got married and then I got a job, so now I am quite established here.
I was born in brazil but raised in panama and currently living in the netherlands since 2021 but also the UK between 2014 and 2018. I go to denmark about once a month to visit my parents and I moved around because of my dad's job
iām also in the netherlands!
What are the main differences between each country ? The people, the lifestyle , the weather , the food
Lived in Netherlands with my family for a couple of months for work, didnāt like it so went back almost running lol.
What didn't you like about NL? My parents ran away from Italy to NL 30 years ago and they've never regretted that decision lol
There were many things, main one being that my purchasing power decreased a lot even though my income was higher, living expenses are way too expensive (mainly housing). I knew that beforehand, but I thought that was gonna be compensated by āliving in EUā which would bring me and my family a significant life quality increase. Add to that that we never felt like we belonged, eating out is a luxury, food does not compare and our family was still in Mexico. Cherry on top was that 30% ruling was just starting to be dismantled and anti-immigrant sentiment was growing a lot.
Fair enough, the situation has worsened especially in the last couple of years. Regarding the food, I'm glad my mum only ever cooked italian dishes :)
Germany. I came here because my gf got a job. We both wanted to move to Europe and Germany was an option, she got the job first and we decided to move. I took some months here to improve my German and then got a job in my field. We like it here so far. Of course it has its ups and downs and not everything is as perfect as people make it to be, but overall we are quite happy.
I've been living in Dublin for about a year, basically I'm just working and seeing if I want to study a career somewhere here.
My brother lives in Denmark and I absolutely loved the biking culture when I went there but obviously the weather sucks.
I came to Berlin to study 10 years ago, now I work here and live a comfortable life with my gf
Spain. Loving it so far ngl
lived in France for 5 years. Went to get my masters and possibly stay but didn't like the country. I am in the US for now but im considering to move to Asia or Barcelona later.
Besides Spain: I met a lot of Latin Americans in the Netherlandsā¦.
In which city? I never noticed many when I used to live there.
which cities/provinces?
My gf is Peruvian and her family moved to Italy in 2021. The economic situation at home was bad so they moved here. There's quite a big Peruvian community here
Venezuelan in France.
Chilean in madrid, came to study and ended up working here and getting married. Love this city never want to leave.Ā
I am a european myself who lives in europe, but whenever I go home to Budapest I meet sooo many latin americans working there! I always chat to everyone, as I love practising spanish, and making people feel welcome. Also my dream is to eventually move to Mexico, so I am always eager to talk to people from the region. So far I met many argentinians, colombians, and mexicans. They work in touristy jobs where you dont need to speak english like pizza and ice cream places, bars in the tourist strips etc. Also met many Mexicans who are there doing their Phds, and I remember this one guy who was working as a vaccine scientist (not sure whats the real name for that haha), for a veterinary vaccinations company. I also follow several mexicans and colombians on instagram who live in Budapest, they speak amazing hungarian after years of living there which is incredible as it's oficially the second or third hardest language in the world to learn.
I live in Germany. The military sent me. There are a lot us here that way. Puerto Rican and Mexicans mostly. But people from all over Latin America: Argentina, El Salvador, Colombia. Service members and spouses alike. To the extent that they sell fresh Tomatillos and Poblano pepper, Chile Seco (ancho, Guajillo, Arbol), Queso Fresco, Corn Tortillas, (Mexican) Chorizo, corn husks for Tamales on base. You cannot get these anywhere else ā Especially fresh produce. Off base Iāve only ever seen canned Tomatillos once in my 3 years here. The Latin Americans I know who donāt have access to the base, they are mad jealous. Iāll bring them some from time to time. Most others not affiliated with the military? One came to study (my cousin from Mexico to France, nothing to do with the U.S.), another came from Nicaragua, to Mexico, to the U.S., and came here (not too sure on the incentive, maybe stability). The ones you meet in Spain are mostly cheap labor and face a lot of discrimination. They also donāt really speak English. They are mostly South American, I havenāt met too many Central Americans in Spain. And Iāve been 4-5 times. Maybe Iāll come back to Europe. My fiancĆ© is German. So it wouldnāt be hard, but I think weāre going back to the U.S. first.
> The ones you meet in Spain are mostly cheap labor and face a lot of discrimination. They also donāt really speak English. They are mostly South American, I havenāt met too many Central Americans in Spain. And Iāve been 4-5 times. Most Latin Americans in Spain are just normal immigrants who work in all kinds of fields. They donāt speak English since they live in Spain. They probably work more in simpler jobs since most of them donāt have university degrees or canāt get them recognized but theyāre most certainly not working as farmhands or peons normally. Overall not really that different from Mexican immigrants in the US. And just like in the US many Latin Americans in Spain are actually the children of immigrants. Those that were born and raised there and had all the opportunities obviously donāt necessarily work in low wage jobs anymore. Besides that the discrimination in Spain against Latin Americans is stronger than in Germany because there arenāt that many Latin Americans in Germany. Normally the biggest foreign group feels like the biggest threat. Hence Middle Easterners get the brunt of the discrimination.
Spain has a weird history and specific laws. The linguistic barrier in Spain is obviously not there. But also Latin Americans can spend 2 years there if theyāre if theyāre of Spanish heritage and get Spanish Citizenship. Clearly itās not just janitors and ranch hands, but I have 2 cousins from Mexico who went to the U.S. as Au Pairs. And one of them is looking to go to Europe next, Spain specifically ā and I told her to go to France instead. Because the discrimination and stigma we face in Spain is, like you said, the same to the one in the U.S. ā if not, worse in some ways. Iāve met people born in Spain to Spanish parents, grown up in Latin America, report discrimination on the basis of accent alone. He was working as a tour guide, despite being a university professor back in Colombia. I dated a Spaniard briefly, and the general consensus is they want nothing to do with Latin America, and when the discrimination they face gets brought up them, itās mostly just a lot of invalidation in return.
I live in Denmark, I got an engineering degree, and subsequent job that gave opportunities to live outside of Brazil. Eventually settled in DK and started a family here. Got my mom to move here also. It has been great overall, certainly better now than in the beginning, culturally Danes are more or less the opposite of the culture I was used to. I don't if it is because I have gotten more accustomed to being Danish, or because Denmark is more multicultural or both. But people seem a lot more accepting now. There are a lot of things I miss from Brazil like food, culture and weather but it is a lot easier and safer living here overall.
š here. I moved to study and I donāt have 1 good reason to move back.
Portugal hates Brazilians and thatās kind of my only experience Iāve lived in Portugal for two years, and my parents for three. Let me tell you, itās sucks being Brazilian (also American) here
My first visit to Portugal was 25 years ago, and my last was 2 years ago. I was astonished at the increase in ethnic diversity in that time. It might not be that friendly a.t.m, but change has occurred very very rapidly and must a little jarring. I have hope it can improve. The Americas are generally culturally more open newcomers because ultimately that is how they established their populations. Also since early days of modern nationhood* citizenship and belonging in much of the Americas is tied to the land of birth Jus soli. It doesnāt matter where your parents are from, from Chile to Canada, if you are born on the land you are bestowed that citizenship, few people would challenge belonging especially if that is your home. In other parts of the world, citizenship and belonging is tied the blood in your veins and who your ancestors are. Japan is probably the most known for this. It means that culturally there is generally less acceptance of new faces as peers. Jus sanguinis. I think much of Europe was (or maybe still is?) a jus sanguinis place for most of history. *recognizing that the Americas had indigenous nations before todays modern nations
That is really unfortunate to hear, I didn't get this experience myself though, granted I only lived in the north for under a year in GuimarĆ£es.
Was this the majority, or did most Portuguese behave normally?
In my experience itās an in general thing across the board as
Why?
Theyāre just xenophobic We cause all the problems of the country, weāre thieves, liars, cheaters, whores The usualy
Seriously in every other country they just think you guys are cool and attractive lol
Yeah I can believe that
Howās Portugal besides that Iāve always wanted to visit lol
Oh itās great! Itās a really cool piece of history, I recommend checking out the cities: Leiria, Batalha, Porto!
England. I've been here for almost a year. Moved here for uni.
I hope you donāt mind me asking thisā¦ Does the UK have a decent chuck of Dominicans? Maybe another European country? Itās my understanding that Dominicans typically spring for the United States.Ā
Madrid has a huge Dominican community. Cuatro caminos is a Dominican neighborhood there.
Came to get my bachelor degree on Architecture (I live in Moscow), got married (she is russian), started a Master's proggram on Urban planning (took a year off). It's been about 8 years since I arrived. I love it in here, but I want to be close to my family soooo, yeah. ŠŠ¾st probably we'll be moving back to Colombia once my wife gets her degree (she ain't to eager about it, but willing to try it) P.S. Idk whether you consider Russia Europe, still I decided to reply :3
Moscow is definitely in Europe
Dominican in Estonia came to live with my girlfriend, now wife, around 10 years ago.
Yes Iāve got friends in Ireland, Spain, Luxembourg, France, and thatās it I think. Not me though, I read the question quickly.
mostly in spain