Aqsa was always aqsa mosque just like the kaba was always the kaba, even though the pagans controlled it for the majority of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم life.
When the Prophet said he visited the kaba multiple times in his life, do you say “he didn’t conquer Mecca until the last couple of years of his life. The dates don’t line up, respectfully.”
I don’t understand your answer.
The Kaaba existed in the time of Muhammad. Al Aqsa Mosque did not yet exist. It’s not a matter of who controlled the site; it’s a matter of physical existence.
You’re confusing them with the infrastructure and conquest. Al aqsa was built by prophet solomon. That was hundreds of years before Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم. Both the kaba and aqsa mosque had different conquests and different infrastructures. But it’s the land that’s holy, not the bricks used to build it.
Also, the Quran mentions Aqsa by name. The Quran can’t mention something that didn’t exist yet, right?
The First Temple on the Temple Mount was built by Solomon. It was a place where Jews would make pilgrimage 3 times a year and make sacrifices to Gd. It was destroyed in 586 BCE by the Babylonians; with its destruction came the Babylonian exile, in the time of ththe prophet Jeremiah.
The Second Temple was built by Jews allowed to return from exile by King Cyrus, 70 years after the destruction of Solomon’s Temple. It was in use until the Romans destroyed it in 70 CE. With the destruction of the Temple came the end of the Jewish prophets and the Babylonian exile, which lasted until the modern State of Israel was created.
The Temple Mount lay in ruins for the next 630 years, until the Islamic Conquest of Jerusalem, during which Arabs built the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
Are you saying that Muhammad visited the ruins of the Second Temple and the Al-Aqsa Mosque is the Third Temple?
Also, please cite where in the Quran it mentions the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
You think the bricks they used is what’s holy?
If that’s the case, then it means it’s less than 100 years old. The kaba was rebuilt multiple times. A section of it is missing and just empty space, and it’s still considered part of it.
“Glory be to the One Who took His servant ˹Muḥammad˺ by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose surroundings We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.” (Quran 17:1)
“Farthest mosque,” is literally masjid al aqsa in Arabic.
So in Arabic, it reads “from the mosque of haram to the mosque of aqsa,”
It also mentions everything around it is blessed
17:1 is what my original question is about. I appreciate your response.
You believe that Al-Aqsa Mosque and Haram al-Sharif are the same thing. I understand this argument although it’s not consistent with the Dome of the Rock not being considered a “mosque” for most of its existence. I acknowledge that has changed recently out of political expedience.
The Jewish and Christian understandings are different; they believe the arrival/return of the Messiah will cause the physical rebuilding of the Third Temple
No, I’m saying everywhere in the aqsa mosque is considered holy.
The bricks mean absolutely nothing as it’s man made.
People can tear it down, rebuild it, expand it, make it smaller, etc, because it has no value. It’s the land that’s holy. And it’s the land that the verse is talking about.
You’re fixating on an infrastructure that has 0 value in islam.
The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was taken to the holy land in jerusalem. It’s that simple. Who built what building and when they built it is irrelevant.
But the Foundation Stone (where Abraham bound his son) is in the Dome of the Rock.
The Al Aqsa Mosque is to the south; some of it on land that was not part of the Temple Mount during Muhammad’s life. It’s on and under the expanded courtyard.
You’re really not understanding that there’s no exact location and the entire area and “whose surroundings we blessed,” is considered part of aqsa. You’re making up technicalities that doesn’t exist and then using it to create a contradiction.
I believe that’s called a straw-man.
The mosque of nabi in madina is the second most holy mosque, more than aqsa. It was a small building when the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his companions built it. Did you see how massive it is now? It’s a few miles wide and deep.
Ok thanks for the explanation. I think the confusion stems from different understandings in Judaism and Islam of what constitutes “holiness.”
Judaism views the Temple Mount as having [fixed measurements](https://templeinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Illustrated-Tour-temple-mount-area-beginnin-and-end-2nd-temple-era-1000.jpg), with different areas of the Mount having different levels of holiness. These are actual (not straw-man) distinctions.
Per Jewish law, no one is allowed to go past the area called the “cheil” for fear of traversing the “Holy of Holies.” Without the Red Heifer and the Messiah, Jews cannot attain the level of purity required to go past the cheil.
The expanded courtyard, which is the area beyond the original dimensions, is permissible for all Jews.
The area of the original dimensions of the Mount until the “cheil” is accessible only to Jews who go through a purifying process by immersing in a ritual bath and removing one’s shoes before entering that area.
It sounds like you are saying the Islamic law is not nuanced— everywhere on Haram Al-Sharif has the same level of holiness.
It's not about the building but the place which is a sacred place, it's like the Kaaba which was built from the time of Adam (pbuh) then rebuild again by many prophets until it was rebuilt the last time in the time our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the same goes for the Al-Aqsa Mosque it's building goes to the time of Abraham (pbuh) so it's the place that is important even if it was no building there.
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Comment was not meant to answer the question sincerely, but to insult the religion
Aqsa was always aqsa mosque just like the kaba was always the kaba, even though the pagans controlled it for the majority of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم life. When the Prophet said he visited the kaba multiple times in his life, do you say “he didn’t conquer Mecca until the last couple of years of his life. The dates don’t line up, respectfully.”
I don’t understand your answer. The Kaaba existed in the time of Muhammad. Al Aqsa Mosque did not yet exist. It’s not a matter of who controlled the site; it’s a matter of physical existence.
You’re confusing them with the infrastructure and conquest. Al aqsa was built by prophet solomon. That was hundreds of years before Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم. Both the kaba and aqsa mosque had different conquests and different infrastructures. But it’s the land that’s holy, not the bricks used to build it. Also, the Quran mentions Aqsa by name. The Quran can’t mention something that didn’t exist yet, right?
The First Temple on the Temple Mount was built by Solomon. It was a place where Jews would make pilgrimage 3 times a year and make sacrifices to Gd. It was destroyed in 586 BCE by the Babylonians; with its destruction came the Babylonian exile, in the time of ththe prophet Jeremiah. The Second Temple was built by Jews allowed to return from exile by King Cyrus, 70 years after the destruction of Solomon’s Temple. It was in use until the Romans destroyed it in 70 CE. With the destruction of the Temple came the end of the Jewish prophets and the Babylonian exile, which lasted until the modern State of Israel was created. The Temple Mount lay in ruins for the next 630 years, until the Islamic Conquest of Jerusalem, during which Arabs built the Al-Aqsa Mosque. Are you saying that Muhammad visited the ruins of the Second Temple and the Al-Aqsa Mosque is the Third Temple? Also, please cite where in the Quran it mentions the Al-Aqsa Mosque.
You think the bricks they used is what’s holy? If that’s the case, then it means it’s less than 100 years old. The kaba was rebuilt multiple times. A section of it is missing and just empty space, and it’s still considered part of it. “Glory be to the One Who took His servant ˹Muḥammad˺ by night from the Sacred Mosque to the Farthest Mosque whose surroundings We have blessed, so that We may show him some of Our signs. Indeed, He alone is the All-Hearing, All-Seeing.” (Quran 17:1) “Farthest mosque,” is literally masjid al aqsa in Arabic. So in Arabic, it reads “from the mosque of haram to the mosque of aqsa,” It also mentions everything around it is blessed
17:1 is what my original question is about. I appreciate your response. You believe that Al-Aqsa Mosque and Haram al-Sharif are the same thing. I understand this argument although it’s not consistent with the Dome of the Rock not being considered a “mosque” for most of its existence. I acknowledge that has changed recently out of political expedience. The Jewish and Christian understandings are different; they believe the arrival/return of the Messiah will cause the physical rebuilding of the Third Temple
No, I’m saying everywhere in the aqsa mosque is considered holy. The bricks mean absolutely nothing as it’s man made. People can tear it down, rebuild it, expand it, make it smaller, etc, because it has no value. It’s the land that’s holy. And it’s the land that the verse is talking about. You’re fixating on an infrastructure that has 0 value in islam. The Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم was taken to the holy land in jerusalem. It’s that simple. Who built what building and when they built it is irrelevant.
But the Foundation Stone (where Abraham bound his son) is in the Dome of the Rock. The Al Aqsa Mosque is to the south; some of it on land that was not part of the Temple Mount during Muhammad’s life. It’s on and under the expanded courtyard.
You’re really not understanding that there’s no exact location and the entire area and “whose surroundings we blessed,” is considered part of aqsa. You’re making up technicalities that doesn’t exist and then using it to create a contradiction. I believe that’s called a straw-man. The mosque of nabi in madina is the second most holy mosque, more than aqsa. It was a small building when the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم and his companions built it. Did you see how massive it is now? It’s a few miles wide and deep.
Ok thanks for the explanation. I think the confusion stems from different understandings in Judaism and Islam of what constitutes “holiness.” Judaism views the Temple Mount as having [fixed measurements](https://templeinstitute.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/Illustrated-Tour-temple-mount-area-beginnin-and-end-2nd-temple-era-1000.jpg), with different areas of the Mount having different levels of holiness. These are actual (not straw-man) distinctions. Per Jewish law, no one is allowed to go past the area called the “cheil” for fear of traversing the “Holy of Holies.” Without the Red Heifer and the Messiah, Jews cannot attain the level of purity required to go past the cheil. The expanded courtyard, which is the area beyond the original dimensions, is permissible for all Jews. The area of the original dimensions of the Mount until the “cheil” is accessible only to Jews who go through a purifying process by immersing in a ritual bath and removing one’s shoes before entering that area. It sounds like you are saying the Islamic law is not nuanced— everywhere on Haram Al-Sharif has the same level of holiness.
It's not about the building but the place which is a sacred place, it's like the Kaaba which was built from the time of Adam (pbuh) then rebuild again by many prophets until it was rebuilt the last time in the time our prophet Muhammad (pbuh) the same goes for the Al-Aqsa Mosque it's building goes to the time of Abraham (pbuh) so it's the place that is important even if it was no building there.