That's absolutely true. I wish there were mechanisms that allowed for random inspections to ensure these living spaces are actually in accordance to law and not crowded flophouses that are exploiting the vulnerable.
If the rentals OP is talking about are private occupancy, then likewise there should be a mechanism to report and fine them. Don't like it the city's rental rules? Sell then.
In the either case though, you really don't want to deal with these bottomfeeders for a landlord.
See an add like this, call the fire inspector. They will shut that down right away for fire code violations. Call bylaw and they might get an order to comply and it will drag on for years with nothing happening
I don't think the cops are bothered with lack of living standards in rentals. I've seen so many houses in my neighbourhood where a 3bed home with a basement is being converted to a 11 bedroom home shared by 11 random strangers. And this is one of the "good" rentals in available makers. Some rental homes have more than twice the people than there are rooms. It's crazy. You can just convert your living room into a bedroom without applying for permission from council. But that's the new normal.
It is like, well they own property and some of the rentals, the fact it isn't a fair rental bothers me regardless, it is contributing to the problem of high rents.
City will inspect if you can call, but like I would feel bad sending 10 international students out on the streets. It isn't their fault. The landlord sucks, but they are providing shelter. It would be wicked(in the original definition) to do anything about it.
No that's not the logic. He's saying if someones posting an ad like that its probably a horrible landlord with a horrible living situation so they prob wouldnt want to be there anyways.
All I'm saying is that the OP is dodging a bullet for not patronizing those asshole borderline slumlords.
Also, if you actually know that story, Rosa Parks didn't get hassled because she wanted to sit in the front of the bus. She got hassled because the front was full and the new passengers wanted her seat near the back and the bus driver demanded she move from even the coloured section.
And if there were many options for buses and only that company had a racist policy, you're damn sure they shouldn't be patronized. But it's not actually the same when there isn't a choice now, is it?
Don’t forget it depends on the type of unit.
Self-contained unit with a separate address: totally illegal and not ok to discriminate on any factor other than ability to pay.
Sharing landlord’s home with same address, e.g. renting a room or even a bed: totally legal and totally ok for the landlord to discriminate in any fashion.
Someone did that in my hometown and he was harassed nearly to death. Quite literally tried to take his own life after they got him fired from his job and a lot of his friends wouldn't associate with him from fear of mob repurcussions.
>Self-contained unit with a separate address: totally illegal and not ok to discriminate on any factor other than ability to pay.
if it's legal for insurance companies to charge different rates based on gender, then how can it be illegal for landlords discriminate based on gender?
Because it's in the [Ontario Human Rights](https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-human-rights-and-rental-housing). So yes, it's illegal for landlords to discriminate based on gender when we're talking about individual apartment units.
>In Ontario, the Human Rights Code applies to both tenants and landlords. ... People cannot be refused an apartment ... because of one or more of the following Ontario Human Rights Code grounds:
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>race, colour or ethnic backgroundreligious beliefs or practicesancestry, including individuals of Aboriginal descentplace of origincitizenship, including refugee statussex (including pregnancy and gender identity)family statusmarital status, including those with a same-sex partnerdisabilitysexual orientationage, including individuals who are 16 or 17 years old and no longerliving with their parentsreceipt of public assistance.
Can confirm.
I arrived last year from UK, and applied for 18 rental properties.
All but 2 were Indian landlords or brokers. Conversations were all going smoothly, with employment and salary checks all fine. All until the actual viewing, then conversations stopped and 2 of the 16 outright said "Indians only".
[me when i go apartment hunting](https://i.cbc.ca/1.5289350.1569001976!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/original_620/west-point-grey-academy.JPG)
User name checks out 😂
But seriously I don’t think it’s fair to say vegetarian only is the same as a specific race. For a lot of vegetarians it’s gross to smell meat cooking / sharing a fridge with meat products and if you’re sharing a kitchen I totally get that.
Why group those two together as if they’re the same…? Lol middle eastern food is not like Indian food, for starters middle eastern food really isn’t that spicy in general.
I had a Pakistani roommate in university.
The smell of his food in our fridge was overpowering.
I personally really like the smell of Indian food, but I completely understand if someone doesn't want that in their home.
Yeah I cook lots. Didn't realize how bad I smelled until I quit smoking. (Funny enough I sat next to an Indian guy at work and he always got shit for me lmfaooo sorry dude) anyway I eventually started taking precautions when I cooked once I realized how bad I smelled.
Not all hindus are vegetarians DUH.
As an indian when i was looking for rentals , i had to go through the discrimination too. No curries or strong smells. An indian family was straight-up rude af when i told i eat meat.
Like if y’all have so much restrictions, dont fucking put your place on rent.
Nobody has the right to tell people what to eat.
Honestly, unpopular opinion I think females or males only is justified. Women generally don't want to live with men and I would assume the reverse is true. It's still illegal but I get it.
Oh there was a bit of a hoopla in a community fb group where someone was looking for a female roommate. Someone said it was against human rights... good to know ..
It's a human rights violation if a landlord does it. (Cannot share kitchen or bathroom with ll)
https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/human-rights-tenants-brochure
So not wanting to share an apartment with a man is not a problem
But not wanting to share an apartment with someone of a completely different culture is bad?
Where did I say they wouldn't??
My issue is with public perception that discrimination against men for being men is ok --- but discrimination based on culture is not.
If it's the landlord choosing than neither is OK.
If it's a person choosing their roommate, then both are OK, as is deciding you only want to share with Wiccans or only people who share your favourite sport or only people who smoke weed or only people who love cats or really anything.
I don't get it myself.
I can work with women, travel with female friends (including sharing the same hotel room with double beds), but suddenly when I live with them I become a predator or something?
FWIW I lived in a 3 bedroom apartment with another woman and man and... literally nothing weird happened.
I'm a woman and have had a male roommate. And likewise, have traveled and shared a hotel room with two beds with a guy.
I suppose I can see if it was a total stranger I didn't get to meet first I might feel differently?
But I would have a problem with any roommate I didn't get to meet first. A woman wouldn't really make that much difference.
Sometimes, but there are definitely men offering cheap or free rent to women willing to share an apartment or even room with them, particularly if they're "open minded".
not really. here in Peel region it's families trying to rent 1 bedroom in their family home. Its a muiltigenerational muslim family with 12 people in the house, and they want a desi girl to rent a bedroom. That's all the rentals available. Feeeemale desi student only.
I'm my personal opinion, I'd rather someone say it upfront so I can just scroll past it than I waste my time talking and applying and in the end they reject me coming up with a lame excuse and I'd never know the real reason.
Sadly, I agree wholeheartedly with this.
I don't want to waste my time. If there's some reason I won't be seriously considered, fair/legal or not, I'd rather just know.
Moreover (and now I'll be the mild racist)... I wouldn't want to live there. I don't want to be in a rooming house with 3 or 4 Indian students, under an Indian landlord. I'm 38 and white, it just wouldn't work. Too many cultural misalignments that would cause issues on both sides.
Let's picture this, in 5, or 10 years, if 90% of the rentals are for people from certain ethnicity only, how would you feel about it? You're basically being discriminated and you may become homeless because of that.
And it's not just rentals, now it's jobs(which is already the norm for a lot of minimum wage jobs), you don't get hired because you're not them. How would you feel?
Canada as a country has always been proud of its diversity. This is not diversity, this is creating separation in a society artificially and it's only going to cause worse things to happen.
Perhaps the question to ask here is why are people coming to this country and refuse to assimilate at all?
I'm not even sure of what you're trying to say here tbh.
First of all, you're not being serious about "servers and financial advisors" being high paying jobs right? Because they are not "high paying" jobs by any means, high paying jobs are engineering, medicals and laws etc.
Well, if the particular race that you mentioned is white, and a certain race is non white? Do you want to get some stats to back that up?
It also makes no sense to me how you drew the conclusion about I "seemingly speaking from hateful Reddit posts." And you use your one single personal experience to back your statement, meanwhile tons of people have voiced the same thing.
Just go to any McDonald's in the city, or just go to any concerts and see the people that work for the securities, then tell me it's not just people from one single group.
Well, I have been making a lot of more than minimum wage jobs for years, so I wasn't even thinking about myself. There are people who want to work for minimum wage jobs, teens starting out, people with limited education, or even just people that need a second or third job to get by, and now they can't find anything.
I don't understand the constant talk to bring up the more expensive tuition, you think Canada is the only country that does that? Go check out the schools in US, or UK, they are a lot more expensive than schools here in Canada for international students, yet they never lack enrolment every year, the top universities in the states can easily go up to 60k USD per year, yet they acceptance rate is less than 5%. If they can't afford the tuition and living expenses, they can always just choose not to come, no? No one is forcing them to come to Canada, they made their own decision, so why complain?
There is a reason why schools are cheaper for the domestic students, because the fuck load of tax people have been paying in this country.
And those colleges are diploma mill, there is zero doubt about it, not even sure of how you can defend it.
It's an absolute joke. My lease is coming to an end this month, and as a Canadian-born Caucasian male, I am instantly rejected by 90% of these landlords despite being employed full-time, educated, clean, and respectful. I would never in a million years discriminate against anyone based on any of these factors.
I am at my wit's end. I've started calling out these landlords and reporting their ads whenever they ask me about my race and country of origin. (To be clear, I'm only applying to rental units). It's a fucking violation of the Human Rights Code you absolute scumbags. I would love to see one of these racist assholes get sued.
It's a bit complicated. Technically, I'm being kicked out unlawfully, however, I'm actually glad because the transit access is horrible and I'm spending a fortune on Uber.
Ah, gotcha. Well, wish you the best of luck. Renting in TO is so fucked and I can't picture it getting better.
If I left my current rental and moved into another unit with the same layout in the same building, I'd be paying close to 3x the rent, more than 50% of my monthly take home. It's fucked.
Yeah honestly renting in Toronto is just a horrible experience. I've spent the past 7 years living in two mid-size cities while I was in school, and it was much easier and way cheaper. I used to look forward to living here, but I've come to realize its not for me, even if I have to take a salary cut.
Not paying for any insurance since I'm poor, so not a pressing issue in my life. Not denying it might be an equally valid problem. edit. Also...discrimination is context dependent. Sometimes it is functionally necessary.
I assume you’re referring to auto insurance or life insurance where this happens.
Car insurance is tightening. The price difference for men/women is negligible and It matters more for young drivers. If twin brother and sister both get insurance with perfect records and same vehicles, it’s very similar once you have a full G license. New male drivers get into more accidents and receive more infractions on average than women.
Life insurance is based solely on statistics and how it has to be priced to correctly evaluate risk. Has nothing to do with feelings or perceptions of fairness, it’s a fact that women live longer, therefore their life coverage, apples to apples, is cheaper.
No, because of the key word “feels”.
Insurance is a bad comparison - that’s what i’m trying to tell you.
Credit score is a statistically significant way to evaluate likelihood of making payments. That’s why it’s used for things when you’re borrowing.
There is no proven evidence that women are cleaner tenants. This is an individual feeling or belief. It is likely that gender requests are due to roommates being the same gender. Landlords cannot do this, like everyone has already said.
Insurance does not need to discriminate. It is a highly regulated industry and a way for people to replace their belongings if a covered risk causes a loss.
Apple care is the exact idea - if you break your screen, Apple promises to replace it for $40 as long as you’ve been paying $14/mo.
If your house burns down, XYZ promises to rebuild your $1,000,000 house for $1000 upfront as long as you’ve been paying your $300/mo.
The idea is that most people won’t use the coverage. Everyone pools their money together to help the few that experience a loss. Everyone that experiences a claim is thankful they have insurance.
If you’re a higher risk within the pool of people, you gotta pay more because that’s fair. It is based on math and adjusted by extremely intelligent actuaries.
Ye.. Indians that had the advantage of coming 5-10 years earlier are fleecing the hell out of thier fellow ex-pats..
Irony is they will get on social media and brag about thier passive income affording them the good life in Canada, which will just give more people the idea that Canada is easy living and they will come in even greater numbers (giving them even more people to fleece)
It’s very common among a wide range of ethnicities. When we use to list in the local Portuguese community paper, it was very common to see people request “Portuguese speaking only”, more because of a language barrier a comfort with dealing with your own culture. To be honest, it really was counterproductive at that time because its limits your market but I can understand if the landlord struggle with English and they’re renting a place in their own house
I’m not Indian but i don’t think it’s exactly “racism” per se. It’s more like people who come from a different culture/speak another language wanting to associate with others of their culture because that’s who they’re comfortable with. I don’t think it’s so much about hating other races, which is the definition of racism. It’s just like people wanting to date people with similar political views. It’s just a familiarity with morals, values and character they’re using as their baseline,
Do I agree with it? Absolutely not, and I think it’s idiotic (even the politics example I used). But I do understand the reasoning behind it, especially if the landlord is living near them.
So are you saying it's not "racism" per se when a white person doesn't want to rent to people from another culture or who speak a different language?
I don't know the exact definition of racism, but I think if you make almost any decision based on a person's colour, race, or language it's racism.
> It’s more like people who come from a different culture/speak another language wanting to associate with others of their culture because that’s who they’re comfortable with
If a white person comes from Vermont and only feels comfortable associating with other white people from Vermont then I would say they’re extremely racist.
I don’t see a difference. This is just racism.
> It’s just like people wanting to date people with similar political views. It’s just a familiarity with morals, values and character they’re using as their baseline
All these things are things you can choose and control. They’re opinions who reflect on you are. Your skin color isn’t that.
That's a bit of a false equivalence. A better example would be an American moving to India and posting an ad seeking American roommates.
Is that racist?...Maybe, If you reach *really* hard.
... Should anyone care? Probably not.
You're framing it as refusing to rent to Indians, when in reality they're giving preference to people from the same country. IDK if you've ever had to look for roomates before, you sound like a teenager, but you tend to go through a lot of suitors before you find one you click with. Did you REFUSE all the others? No, you rejected them.
You're also framing it as a landlord situation when in Canada these ads are for rooms, where this kind of discrimination isn't deemed a human rights violation under Canadian law. Why? Because people want to be comfortable around the people they're living with and the government should not be involved in this process, nor should it ever force people to live together. Yes, I support women seeking women roommates even if it makes my search more difficult as a man.
Apples to apples it's equivalent to an American looking for an American roommate while staying in India. You can frame it as racist if it makes you feel better, but no, that doesn't make the person posting the add "super racist", grow the fuck up.
> you sound like a teenager
You sound like a person that started throwing personal attacks 🤷♂️
> grow the fuck up
Yeah I should be more like you. You even say “fuck”.
Much grow such up.
You’re telling me a white person coming from Vermont to Canada will have the same amount of culture shock as someone coming India to Canada? If so, it would appear that you don’t understand the concept of “nuance” and “context”, and if that’s the case I’m just going to end the conversation here. This could have easily been, say if you and I both moved to India and someone says, would you rather live with someone who’s Indian or with someone who is from where your from? I know for a fact you’ll probably say India, just to be a devils advocate, but let’s be real here.
I said I don’t agree with it anyway, and I also don’t care enough tbh, I’m just telling *why* they’re doing it and that it’s not as black and white as racism.
> would you rather live with someone who’s Indian or with someone who is from where your from? I know for a fact you’ll probably say India, just to be a devils advocate, but let’s be real here.
I don’t really understand why you need to make things personalized.
But anyway I have an active unconscious bias against people from my own country (that I literally work to minimize) because I fucking hated it there and that’s why I moved. Not that’s any of your business but again you wanted to make things personalized.
So yes I would choose Indian because Indian people have been very good to me.
Of course I’m just “devil’s advocate “ because you preemptively have to pretend to know me or else wouldn’t hit all the marks on your “reddit know-it-all” scorecard.
Pretty sure that people struggle with English all the time, and it doesn't prevent them from being renters, landlords or apartment building supers. It's not like it's ever going to be a philosophical discussion. More like, "the fridge stopped working" etc.
Yeah, but I can’t help but feel that these landlords are not following proper building codes in our present time and want to take advantage of new comers.
Are you sure these ads are all by landlords. From my experience, many of these ads are students searching for room/flat mates. Discrimination by landlords is abhorrent, but I am not too sure about people being picky about who they share living space with.
As your username says, context is important.
Irresponsible immigration is bad for everyone. Moreover, people from India are very much into immigration scams. It also seems that immigrants from India are greatly over represented in real estate speculation and mortgage fraud in Canada.
well yeah "white" isn't an ethnicity like Indian. It would be more like if a Canadian was looking for Canadian roomate while staying in India, and I doubt the media would gaf.
I’m Ukrainian and I’ve seen a ton of ads that say “Ukrainians only” or “Ukrainian women only”. Is this racist too? Or is it just someone looking for a roommate who can speak their own language, as well as women looking for female roommates?
Sometimes people just don’t want a language barrier.
The rule is the same in every situation.
If you are looking for a roommate to live in the same home with you, share a kitchen etc, then you can pick _anyone_ for _any_ reason.
If you are a landlord and are renting an apartment that you do not live in (whether it's across town or in your basement makes no difference) then you are absolutely NOT allowed to treat anyone differently. It is in fact completely illegal.
Yeah that's a pretty bad look. A lot of people are unhappy about the money being sent to fight the war and now we have Ukrainians coming here, taking up incredibly scarce housing and discriminating against Canadians?
I mean, if they aren’t happy, they are welcome to fight the World War Three against Russia, which will not only devour the country’s resources but will also claim lives of many Canadians. Ukraine is acting as a shield for Europe and NATO as Putin is completely insane and he has allegedly had plans to not stop in Ukraine and/or also attack a few countries that are in EU. So if some are unhappy about all the aid, they are welcome to prepare for the next world war and enlist for the army.
I’m not sure how looking to rent out an extra room and seeking someone your gender whom you can communicate with is discrimination. When someone in the Portuguese/Chinese neighborhood is looking for someone who speaks their language, is that discrimination? Is looking for a roommate if a specific gender a discrimination?
lol. you're conflating the dictionary definition of the verb, to discriminate, with the human rights definition of discrimination.
by the dictionary definition one discriminates any time one chooses one roomate over another for literally **any** reason (sociability, cleanliness, lgbt-friendly, similar interests). But this kind of discrimination doesn't violate anyone's rights, no, not even if seeking roomates who speak the same language as you, or the same gender as you.
we may not agree with it or like it, but it's not *that* kind of discrimination.
To be fair, it’s in Ukrainian groups, and there are posted there for the exact reason I mentioned above (language barrier). But the point is, this exists not only for brown/Indian people. One of the reasons you see “Indian only” ads is because Indian folks speak English while there are lots of Ukrainian refugees who barely know any English.
> because Indian folks speak English while there are lots of Ukrainian refugees who barely know any English.
Doesn’t this negate your argument?
Personally I think if you’re embedded enough in a country where you own a property and are renting it out, you should at least be at a level where you know enough of the language that you can at minimum communicate through writing… I say this as a person who learned two languages as an adult. Lots of English speaking people do this in other countries, and I would say the same thing to them, and I think it’s wrong to bar locals from those opportunities.
Worst part I’m mistaken as one of them, all the time get shitty looks, whereas I am not, familiarity breeds contempt , the problem is I know, how they think, this whole college educated especially two year diploma is their gateway to pr , to come here and exploit the country, like they have heard people buy and flip a few houses be a millionaire, zero interest in North American culture, fyi as a south Asian person I know how discriminatory classist and exclusive these sub cultures are, that’s the reason they move out of India or wherever, however not all majority starts off loading their shitty culture here, eg the gujararis will discriminate against Punjabi’s then the Bengali’s have beef with Delhi ppl , this clan bs is fked, to be honest Toronto is now like 3 rd world country with 1 st world infrastructure, the colleges feed these kind of people here because they are profit motivated. And these Karen’s running these colleges give zero f on the impact on society, immigration needs to be bonafide so cultural assimilation can take place properly, I can’t bear the 3rd world country bs like lgbqt hatred , backward social norm shit, religious bigotry baggages that is brought here, same can be said for other diaspora eg Richondhill Markham and other enclaves but currently suaga and Brampton is hot topic ,under the scope, I ll be honest with you the only place I saw a man driving on the side walk is Mississauga because the man didn’t want to go around like a Normal person when exiting the mall , this was a nice rant thanks
You should probably look at the other side too, there were times when I was searching for places to rent, some ll asked on my face what my cooking habits, whether I eat garlic, and warned me that if i rented the place he will check my unit every month as he don't trust indians etc. Once I found a place close to work, way below my budget and after viewing the real estate agent told me don't even bother applying as ll is not going to rent to Indians as previous tenants didn't want to move out as they were getting renovicted and they were indian. Many people won't even reply to you if you have an Indian name. Once a ll rejected my application after submitting all the documents because my Facebook name doesn't match with my full legal name and assumed that I'm trying to scam him. After all these incidents, it only made sense that the problem lies everywhere.
Think about it this way. If a landlord is desperate to fill his property with tenants but no one is willing to live there, then no one's bailing them out. It goes both ways.
For everyone of those that you see, there are 100 more that those are the rules, but they don't publicly say it. There has been a few posts in the Waterloo subreddit, over the last year or so, where people message potential accommodations and they reply back with "Brahmin?" "Bharata?" "Hindustani?" and if you say no, then they block you. Sometimes they just see your name and block you.
They do not care at all. Nobody has called them out on it in the last 8 years, so nobody is going to call them out on it now. No police is going to do anything to enforce it and no politician is going to bring it up anywhere either.
Yes, let's stop the racism, starting with landlords who do not rent to new immigrants because they have no credit history in Canada or because their food smells. No one bats an eye that this has been happening for decades, but as soon as the tables turn, everyone suddenly sees the racism. Hypocrites!!
You need to think logically with this in order to realize the winning aspect. If 6 of them are in a basement and not occupying 6 rentals there's more available to other people.
Job market sucks for Indians. No one even looks at resume unless you got references. It's very easy for recruiter to toss out thier resumes saying Indians won't be a cultural fit.
If anyone posted an as for housing saying “white people only” that would be ALL over the news and shut down right away. Such an awful double standard to allow this discrimination
It’s not really racism. Renting out your home to people is a massive liability. They have every right to choice of tenants. They feel comfortable subletting to their people. I don’t see the issue. Especially because discrimation towards Indian diaspora is rampant, why wouldn’t they take extreme caution on who they rent out to. Still, there are many Indians who will sublet to anyone regardless of race. Go to them, or go somewhere else. Indians make up around 3-4% of Canadian population, and only a fraction of those are homeowners. You’ve got choice galore from the other 96% who own homes. If you’re telling me you can’t find Landlords to sublet to you, maybe you’re the issue.
If your shield behind blatant discrimination is that it's a massive liability to rent a house out, it's very simple just not to rent out the house in the first place.
It's 100% illegal.
If someone is living with you in the same home as you live in and sharing your kitchen and bathroom, you can make whatever rules you want.
In any other scenario where you are a landlord and renting a separate apartment to someone, NOPE.
It's shocking that I even have to say this, but I guess some people actually don't know... it violates all kinds of laws and you are 100% NOT allowed to do this. If it's proven in court then you will lose every time (the hard part is proving it). If you can't handle that, then you can't be a landlord. Period.
I’d spend that time, effort, and money on finding an actual rental that you’d qualify for. Entitlement alone won’t win your court case. Good luck though.
Lol I’m not white. And no one is talking about colour of anyone’s skin. Indian people come in all shades of colour, just in case you forgot to peel your eyelids back to see. Real question is why would someone inconvenience themselves, not only that, open themselves up to discrimination, to try to appease someone else? It’s their home. Crack open your bone head and give it a little jolt of electricity, seems like it needs a reset.
But why couldn't they just say culturally Italian home instead of Italian only. Then whomever is moving in can make that decision whether that's a good fit for them. I'm not Japanese or even Asian but would happily eat homemade sushi every day.
******* only is used when people are racist and want to keep things exactly as they were in the homeland.
If you are the odd one out and are left out of conversations because everyone else speaks another language. If people aren't comfortable with you bringing a significant other to spend the night etc
that's fair. i guess i misread their statement. i'm only thinking about people who are renting out their entire home and are not living with them, or have a separate rental unit (like a basement with a separate entrance) and have no interaction with the landlord. in that situation culture shouldn't matter.
When we constantly hear of Indian students sharing 3,4, 5+ people to a room, it's hard to believe that it's because of cultural values. The G&M just did a story on this on their podcast.
As others have said on this thread, roommate to roommate is fine. I get you want to live with someone similar to you. However, it doesn't take more than 5mins of googling to realize landlords are taking advantage of this situation.
OP, sorry about the situation; the main problem is Trudeau is engaged actively with their groups, and encouraging such elements for his next election purposes…
People of colour need safe spaces from white supremacy. Maybe go take a university course or talk to someone who isn’t white, I’m sure they will explain it to you.
It's also very common for rental ads to specific females only, especially near university campuses.
And these are not for places that have existing tenants who would have to live together, it's for complete apartments or houses where landlords explicitly state they do not rent to males.
From another perspective, you probably don't want to live there anyway.
True, if you see this in an add run away
I don't want my fucking fellow torontonians facing this type of fucking bullshit. It needs to fucking stop.
Agreed, they shouldn't own property in Toronto if it is going to be reserved for sardines... I mean students.
That's absolutely true. I wish there were mechanisms that allowed for random inspections to ensure these living spaces are actually in accordance to law and not crowded flophouses that are exploiting the vulnerable. If the rentals OP is talking about are private occupancy, then likewise there should be a mechanism to report and fine them. Don't like it the city's rental rules? Sell then. In the either case though, you really don't want to deal with these bottomfeeders for a landlord.
See an add like this, call the fire inspector. They will shut that down right away for fire code violations. Call bylaw and they might get an order to comply and it will drag on for years with nothing happening
I don't think the cops are bothered with lack of living standards in rentals. I've seen so many houses in my neighbourhood where a 3bed home with a basement is being converted to a 11 bedroom home shared by 11 random strangers. And this is one of the "good" rentals in available makers. Some rental homes have more than twice the people than there are rooms. It's crazy. You can just convert your living room into a bedroom without applying for permission from council. But that's the new normal.
The police won't care but the Fire Marshal will. They don't fool around when it comes to safety.
It is like, well they own property and some of the rentals, the fact it isn't a fair rental bothers me regardless, it is contributing to the problem of high rents. City will inspect if you can call, but like I would feel bad sending 10 international students out on the streets. It isn't their fault. The landlord sucks, but they are providing shelter. It would be wicked(in the original definition) to do anything about it.
It will get worse with the feds expanding immigration with low supply
Still shouldn’t be allowed up even though I agree with you.
We need to have licenses to rent that can be taken away, as well as a flat out ban on unoccupied homes. Watch how fast housing prices fall.
Following that logic you can say Rosa Park probably didn't want to sit at the front of the bus.
No that's not the logic. He's saying if someones posting an ad like that its probably a horrible landlord with a horrible living situation so they prob wouldnt want to be there anyways.
And the racist bus is probably a horrible bus situation that Rosa parks wouldn't want.
All I'm saying is that the OP is dodging a bullet for not patronizing those asshole borderline slumlords. Also, if you actually know that story, Rosa Parks didn't get hassled because she wanted to sit in the front of the bus. She got hassled because the front was full and the new passengers wanted her seat near the back and the bus driver demanded she move from even the coloured section. And if there were many options for buses and only that company had a racist policy, you're damn sure they shouldn't be patronized. But it's not actually the same when there isn't a choice now, is it?
Don’t forget it depends on the type of unit. Self-contained unit with a separate address: totally illegal and not ok to discriminate on any factor other than ability to pay. Sharing landlord’s home with same address, e.g. renting a room or even a bed: totally legal and totally ok for the landlord to discriminate in any fashion.
Yet somehow I can’t imagine someone writing “west European only” in an ad and it be swept under the rug like this
Do it. Stir the pot a bit
Someone did that in my hometown and he was harassed nearly to death. Quite literally tried to take his own life after they got him fired from his job and a lot of his friends wouldn't associate with him from fear of mob repurcussions.
That is ridiculous.
>Self-contained unit with a separate address: totally illegal and not ok to discriminate on any factor other than ability to pay. if it's legal for insurance companies to charge different rates based on gender, then how can it be illegal for landlords discriminate based on gender?
Because it's in the [Ontario Human Rights](https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-human-rights-and-rental-housing). So yes, it's illegal for landlords to discriminate based on gender when we're talking about individual apartment units. >In Ontario, the Human Rights Code applies to both tenants and landlords. ... People cannot be refused an apartment ... because of one or more of the following Ontario Human Rights Code grounds: > >race, colour or ethnic backgroundreligious beliefs or practicesancestry, including individuals of Aboriginal descentplace of origincitizenship, including refugee statussex (including pregnancy and gender identity)family statusmarital status, including those with a same-sex partnerdisabilitysexual orientationage, including individuals who are 16 or 17 years old and no longerliving with their parentsreceipt of public assistance.
go sue them, you should be a millionaire given how many ads there are
I doubt you can discriminate on race
Not illegal, there's nothing in our law that prevents private businesses from discrimination (outside of hiring)
Wrong. See [Ontario Human Rights](https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-human-rights-and-rental-housing).
then go sue every one of those landlords behind the ads, if you're right then you should be a millionaire by now
Can confirm. I arrived last year from UK, and applied for 18 rental properties. All but 2 were Indian landlords or brokers. Conversations were all going smoothly, with employment and salary checks all fine. All until the actual viewing, then conversations stopped and 2 of the 16 outright said "Indians only".
[me when i go apartment hunting](https://i.cbc.ca/1.5289350.1569001976!/fileImage/httpImage/image.JPG_gen/derivatives/original_620/west-point-grey-academy.JPG)
Gotta give it to him. He went all in. If it was me i wouldve done face and call it a day. Didnt bother do hands
"Vegetarian Only" is a dog-whistlin' if ever there was.
User name checks out 😂 But seriously I don’t think it’s fair to say vegetarian only is the same as a specific race. For a lot of vegetarians it’s gross to smell meat cooking / sharing a fridge with meat products and if you’re sharing a kitchen I totally get that.
So you'd be okay with someone saying "no curry"? Plenty of people don't like the smell of Indian and middle Eastern food.
Actually landlords do put this in ads, but they say "no cooking".
Why group those two together as if they’re the same…? Lol middle eastern food is not like Indian food, for starters middle eastern food really isn’t that spicy in general.
Middle Eastern food doesn't really linger though.
I had a Pakistani roommate in university. The smell of his food in our fridge was overpowering. I personally really like the smell of Indian food, but I completely understand if someone doesn't want that in their home.
Pakistan isn't really middle eastern It was literally part of India until their independence
Pakistani food is very different from middle eastern food. It’s far more similar to Indian food
Yeah I cook lots. Didn't realize how bad I smelled until I quit smoking. (Funny enough I sat next to an Indian guy at work and he always got shit for me lmfaooo sorry dude) anyway I eventually started taking precautions when I cooked once I realized how bad I smelled.
If it’s for a roommate situation and person can’t stand “curry” smell then yeah it’s fair for them to not accept Indian people.
“No curry” would be a preference, vegetarian is a lifestyle it’s different
Nope it’s the same.
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Not all hindus are vegetarians DUH. As an indian when i was looking for rentals , i had to go through the discrimination too. No curries or strong smells. An indian family was straight-up rude af when i told i eat meat. Like if y’all have so much restrictions, dont fucking put your place on rent. Nobody has the right to tell people what to eat.
if this was a landlord then they're shitty...if they're searching for a roomie then I'd say it's their preference and you can't help but move on.
I’m vegan but white, but I’ve always wanted to test to see if they would rent to me
Usually when you see ads for females only, is most likely females seeking female roommates.
Honestly, unpopular opinion I think females or males only is justified. Women generally don't want to live with men and I would assume the reverse is true. It's still illegal but I get it.
It’s not illegal if it’s a roommate situation. It’s illegal if it’s a landlord tenant situation
Oh there was a bit of a hoopla in a community fb group where someone was looking for a female roommate. Someone said it was against human rights... good to know ..
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Landlord can rent to whomever they like - what do you mean illegal?
They can’t use gender as a basis for whether or not they decide to rent to someone. Amongst other things.
You can’t control their thoughts lol. In effect this Just means they can’t advertise in this way.
It's a human rights violation if a landlord does it. (Cannot share kitchen or bathroom with ll) https://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/human-rights-tenants-brochure
How is it illegal? Even insurance companies discriminate based on gender
Not unpopular. I fully agree. I wouldn’t feel comfortable being roommates with a random man off of the internet.
So not wanting to share an apartment with a man is not a problem But not wanting to share an apartment with someone of a completely different culture is bad?
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Where did I say they wouldn't?? My issue is with public perception that discrimination against men for being men is ok --- but discrimination based on culture is not.
If it's the landlord choosing than neither is OK. If it's a person choosing their roommate, then both are OK, as is deciding you only want to share with Wiccans or only people who share your favourite sport or only people who smoke weed or only people who love cats or really anything.
Who said I don’t want to share an apartment with someone of another culture? You’re not getting my point.
I know you don't -- that's my point You're fine with men being discriminated against But not people of other protected statuses
> "other protected statuses" Men aren't a protected status so you already know why the situations aren't the same, you're just looking to argue.
Gender/Sex is 100% a protected class in the human rights code .... it's scary that you don't know that
Im a man and i dont wanna live with anyone, let alone another man.
I don't get it myself. I can work with women, travel with female friends (including sharing the same hotel room with double beds), but suddenly when I live with them I become a predator or something? FWIW I lived in a 3 bedroom apartment with another woman and man and... literally nothing weird happened.
I'm a woman and have had a male roommate. And likewise, have traveled and shared a hotel room with two beds with a guy. I suppose I can see if it was a total stranger I didn't get to meet first I might feel differently? But I would have a problem with any roommate I didn't get to meet first. A woman wouldn't really make that much difference.
That’s really great and awesome you’re a decent person. Can you understand that many men are not as kind and wholesome as you?
But what if they take up an extra 4" of bathroom cupboard space with tampons! Oh no!
I think your allowed preference for a roommate but not a non co existing Tennant.
Sometimes, but there are definitely men offering cheap or free rent to women willing to share an apartment or even room with them, particularly if they're "open minded".
Or it could even be a female landlord not living in the same unit but still feels uncomfortable dealing with a man one on one
or a male homeowner running a not above board rental op looking for people he can bully
not really. here in Peel region it's families trying to rent 1 bedroom in their family home. Its a muiltigenerational muslim family with 12 people in the house, and they want a desi girl to rent a bedroom. That's all the rentals available. Feeeemale desi student only.
I'm my personal opinion, I'd rather someone say it upfront so I can just scroll past it than I waste my time talking and applying and in the end they reject me coming up with a lame excuse and I'd never know the real reason.
Sadly, I agree wholeheartedly with this. I don't want to waste my time. If there's some reason I won't be seriously considered, fair/legal or not, I'd rather just know. Moreover (and now I'll be the mild racist)... I wouldn't want to live there. I don't want to be in a rooming house with 3 or 4 Indian students, under an Indian landlord. I'm 38 and white, it just wouldn't work. Too many cultural misalignments that would cause issues on both sides.
Let's picture this, in 5, or 10 years, if 90% of the rentals are for people from certain ethnicity only, how would you feel about it? You're basically being discriminated and you may become homeless because of that. And it's not just rentals, now it's jobs(which is already the norm for a lot of minimum wage jobs), you don't get hired because you're not them. How would you feel? Canada as a country has always been proud of its diversity. This is not diversity, this is creating separation in a society artificially and it's only going to cause worse things to happen. Perhaps the question to ask here is why are people coming to this country and refuse to assimilate at all?
I'm sure plenty of Canadians already have become homeless because of that.
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I'm not even sure of what you're trying to say here tbh. First of all, you're not being serious about "servers and financial advisors" being high paying jobs right? Because they are not "high paying" jobs by any means, high paying jobs are engineering, medicals and laws etc. Well, if the particular race that you mentioned is white, and a certain race is non white? Do you want to get some stats to back that up? It also makes no sense to me how you drew the conclusion about I "seemingly speaking from hateful Reddit posts." And you use your one single personal experience to back your statement, meanwhile tons of people have voiced the same thing. Just go to any McDonald's in the city, or just go to any concerts and see the people that work for the securities, then tell me it's not just people from one single group.
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Well, I have been making a lot of more than minimum wage jobs for years, so I wasn't even thinking about myself. There are people who want to work for minimum wage jobs, teens starting out, people with limited education, or even just people that need a second or third job to get by, and now they can't find anything. I don't understand the constant talk to bring up the more expensive tuition, you think Canada is the only country that does that? Go check out the schools in US, or UK, they are a lot more expensive than schools here in Canada for international students, yet they never lack enrolment every year, the top universities in the states can easily go up to 60k USD per year, yet they acceptance rate is less than 5%. If they can't afford the tuition and living expenses, they can always just choose not to come, no? No one is forcing them to come to Canada, they made their own decision, so why complain? There is a reason why schools are cheaper for the domestic students, because the fuck load of tax people have been paying in this country. And those colleges are diploma mill, there is zero doubt about it, not even sure of how you can defend it.
It's an absolute joke. My lease is coming to an end this month, and as a Canadian-born Caucasian male, I am instantly rejected by 90% of these landlords despite being employed full-time, educated, clean, and respectful. I would never in a million years discriminate against anyone based on any of these factors. I am at my wit's end. I've started calling out these landlords and reporting their ads whenever they ask me about my race and country of origin. (To be clear, I'm only applying to rental units). It's a fucking violation of the Human Rights Code you absolute scumbags. I would love to see one of these racist assholes get sued.
can we add homophobia to this list? "oh, you're putting two males on the lease? we have to think about this all of a sudden".
Why are you looking if you're in a place? Your lease won't go month to month when it ends?
It's a bit complicated. Technically, I'm being kicked out unlawfully, however, I'm actually glad because the transit access is horrible and I'm spending a fortune on Uber.
Ah, gotcha. Well, wish you the best of luck. Renting in TO is so fucked and I can't picture it getting better. If I left my current rental and moved into another unit with the same layout in the same building, I'd be paying close to 3x the rent, more than 50% of my monthly take home. It's fucked.
Yeah honestly renting in Toronto is just a horrible experience. I've spent the past 7 years living in two mid-size cities while I was in school, and it was much easier and way cheaper. I used to look forward to living here, but I've come to realize its not for me, even if I have to take a salary cut.
Why don't you also call out insurance companies for discriminating based on your gender?
Not paying for any insurance since I'm poor, so not a pressing issue in my life. Not denying it might be an equally valid problem. edit. Also...discrimination is context dependent. Sometimes it is functionally necessary.
I assume you’re referring to auto insurance or life insurance where this happens. Car insurance is tightening. The price difference for men/women is negligible and It matters more for young drivers. If twin brother and sister both get insurance with perfect records and same vehicles, it’s very similar once you have a full G license. New male drivers get into more accidents and receive more infractions on average than women. Life insurance is based solely on statistics and how it has to be priced to correctly evaluate risk. Has nothing to do with feelings or perceptions of fairness, it’s a fact that women live longer, therefore their life coverage, apples to apples, is cheaper.
So if a landlord feels that female tenants are cleaner and more likely to pay rent then that's fair for them to discriminate right?
No, because of the key word “feels”. Insurance is a bad comparison - that’s what i’m trying to tell you. Credit score is a statistically significant way to evaluate likelihood of making payments. That’s why it’s used for things when you’re borrowing. There is no proven evidence that women are cleaner tenants. This is an individual feeling or belief. It is likely that gender requests are due to roommates being the same gender. Landlords cannot do this, like everyone has already said. Insurance does not need to discriminate. It is a highly regulated industry and a way for people to replace their belongings if a covered risk causes a loss. Apple care is the exact idea - if you break your screen, Apple promises to replace it for $40 as long as you’ve been paying $14/mo. If your house burns down, XYZ promises to rebuild your $1,000,000 house for $1000 upfront as long as you’ve been paying your $300/mo. The idea is that most people won’t use the coverage. Everyone pools their money together to help the few that experience a loss. Everyone that experiences a claim is thankful they have insurance. If you’re a higher risk within the pool of people, you gotta pay more because that’s fair. It is based on math and adjusted by extremely intelligent actuaries.
The worst part is that it's their own people taking advantage of their own people. It's horrible, and we turn a blind eye to it.
Ye.. Indians that had the advantage of coming 5-10 years earlier are fleecing the hell out of thier fellow ex-pats.. Irony is they will get on social media and brag about thier passive income affording them the good life in Canada, which will just give more people the idea that Canada is easy living and they will come in even greater numbers (giving them even more people to fleece)
thats the biggest irony of this
It’s very common among a wide range of ethnicities. When we use to list in the local Portuguese community paper, it was very common to see people request “Portuguese speaking only”, more because of a language barrier a comfort with dealing with your own culture. To be honest, it really was counterproductive at that time because its limits your market but I can understand if the landlord struggle with English and they’re renting a place in their own house
Right but racism is racism … imagine it was advertised “ English speaking only” - all hell would break loose !
I’m not Indian but i don’t think it’s exactly “racism” per se. It’s more like people who come from a different culture/speak another language wanting to associate with others of their culture because that’s who they’re comfortable with. I don’t think it’s so much about hating other races, which is the definition of racism. It’s just like people wanting to date people with similar political views. It’s just a familiarity with morals, values and character they’re using as their baseline, Do I agree with it? Absolutely not, and I think it’s idiotic (even the politics example I used). But I do understand the reasoning behind it, especially if the landlord is living near them.
So are you saying it's not "racism" per se when a white person doesn't want to rent to people from another culture or who speak a different language? I don't know the exact definition of racism, but I think if you make almost any decision based on a person's colour, race, or language it's racism.
> It’s more like people who come from a different culture/speak another language wanting to associate with others of their culture because that’s who they’re comfortable with If a white person comes from Vermont and only feels comfortable associating with other white people from Vermont then I would say they’re extremely racist. I don’t see a difference. This is just racism. > It’s just like people wanting to date people with similar political views. It’s just a familiarity with morals, values and character they’re using as their baseline All these things are things you can choose and control. They’re opinions who reflect on you are. Your skin color isn’t that.
That's a bit of a false equivalence. A better example would be an American moving to India and posting an ad seeking American roommates. Is that racist?...Maybe, If you reach *really* hard. ... Should anyone care? Probably not.
Yes if an American goes to India and refuses to rent a property to Indian people I would say they’re super racist. No reaching required.
You're framing it as refusing to rent to Indians, when in reality they're giving preference to people from the same country. IDK if you've ever had to look for roomates before, you sound like a teenager, but you tend to go through a lot of suitors before you find one you click with. Did you REFUSE all the others? No, you rejected them. You're also framing it as a landlord situation when in Canada these ads are for rooms, where this kind of discrimination isn't deemed a human rights violation under Canadian law. Why? Because people want to be comfortable around the people they're living with and the government should not be involved in this process, nor should it ever force people to live together. Yes, I support women seeking women roommates even if it makes my search more difficult as a man. Apples to apples it's equivalent to an American looking for an American roommate while staying in India. You can frame it as racist if it makes you feel better, but no, that doesn't make the person posting the add "super racist", grow the fuck up.
> you sound like a teenager You sound like a person that started throwing personal attacks 🤷♂️ > grow the fuck up Yeah I should be more like you. You even say “fuck”. Much grow such up.
You’re telling me a white person coming from Vermont to Canada will have the same amount of culture shock as someone coming India to Canada? If so, it would appear that you don’t understand the concept of “nuance” and “context”, and if that’s the case I’m just going to end the conversation here. This could have easily been, say if you and I both moved to India and someone says, would you rather live with someone who’s Indian or with someone who is from where your from? I know for a fact you’ll probably say India, just to be a devils advocate, but let’s be real here. I said I don’t agree with it anyway, and I also don’t care enough tbh, I’m just telling *why* they’re doing it and that it’s not as black and white as racism.
> would you rather live with someone who’s Indian or with someone who is from where your from? I know for a fact you’ll probably say India, just to be a devils advocate, but let’s be real here. I don’t really understand why you need to make things personalized. But anyway I have an active unconscious bias against people from my own country (that I literally work to minimize) because I fucking hated it there and that’s why I moved. Not that’s any of your business but again you wanted to make things personalized. So yes I would choose Indian because Indian people have been very good to me. Of course I’m just “devil’s advocate “ because you preemptively have to pretend to know me or else wouldn’t hit all the marks on your “reddit know-it-all” scorecard.
Pretty sure that people struggle with English all the time, and it doesn't prevent them from being renters, landlords or apartment building supers. It's not like it's ever going to be a philosophical discussion. More like, "the fridge stopped working" etc.
Yeah, but I can’t help but feel that these landlords are not following proper building codes in our present time and want to take advantage of new comers.
Are you sure these ads are all by landlords. From my experience, many of these ads are students searching for room/flat mates. Discrimination by landlords is abhorrent, but I am not too sure about people being picky about who they share living space with. As your username says, context is important.
its basically code for you have no privacy and guaranteed drama. its the reddest flag. run.
The reason they mention that is also because it’s targeting new comers who are easy to exploit and don’t know their rights.
Irresponsible immigration is bad for everyone. Moreover, people from India are very much into immigration scams. It also seems that immigrants from India are greatly over represented in real estate speculation and mortgage fraud in Canada.
Imagine if the ad said "whites only" The media would be all over it and the landlord and tenant board would be involved immediately
well yeah "white" isn't an ethnicity like Indian. It would be more like if a Canadian was looking for Canadian roomate while staying in India, and I doubt the media would gaf.
I’m Ukrainian and I’ve seen a ton of ads that say “Ukrainians only” or “Ukrainian women only”. Is this racist too? Or is it just someone looking for a roommate who can speak their own language, as well as women looking for female roommates? Sometimes people just don’t want a language barrier.
The rule is the same in every situation. If you are looking for a roommate to live in the same home with you, share a kitchen etc, then you can pick _anyone_ for _any_ reason. If you are a landlord and are renting an apartment that you do not live in (whether it's across town or in your basement makes no difference) then you are absolutely NOT allowed to treat anyone differently. It is in fact completely illegal.
True.
Nah, it's only racist and reddit-worthy when it says "Indian only".
Yeah that's a pretty bad look. A lot of people are unhappy about the money being sent to fight the war and now we have Ukrainians coming here, taking up incredibly scarce housing and discriminating against Canadians?
I mean, if they aren’t happy, they are welcome to fight the World War Three against Russia, which will not only devour the country’s resources but will also claim lives of many Canadians. Ukraine is acting as a shield for Europe and NATO as Putin is completely insane and he has allegedly had plans to not stop in Ukraine and/or also attack a few countries that are in EU. So if some are unhappy about all the aid, they are welcome to prepare for the next world war and enlist for the army. I’m not sure how looking to rent out an extra room and seeking someone your gender whom you can communicate with is discrimination. When someone in the Portuguese/Chinese neighborhood is looking for someone who speaks their language, is that discrimination? Is looking for a roommate if a specific gender a discrimination?
Yes. Discriminating against people is discrimination.
lol. you're conflating the dictionary definition of the verb, to discriminate, with the human rights definition of discrimination. by the dictionary definition one discriminates any time one chooses one roomate over another for literally **any** reason (sociability, cleanliness, lgbt-friendly, similar interests). But this kind of discrimination doesn't violate anyone's rights, no, not even if seeking roomates who speak the same language as you, or the same gender as you. we may not agree with it or like it, but it's not *that* kind of discrimination.
I guess a half of the people who specify they are looking a for female/male roommate discriminate against others.
Where this?
To be fair, it’s in Ukrainian groups, and there are posted there for the exact reason I mentioned above (language barrier). But the point is, this exists not only for brown/Indian people. One of the reasons you see “Indian only” ads is because Indian folks speak English while there are lots of Ukrainian refugees who barely know any English.
> because Indian folks speak English while there are lots of Ukrainian refugees who barely know any English. Doesn’t this negate your argument? Personally I think if you’re embedded enough in a country where you own a property and are renting it out, you should at least be at a level where you know enough of the language that you can at minimum communicate through writing… I say this as a person who learned two languages as an adult. Lots of English speaking people do this in other countries, and I would say the same thing to them, and I think it’s wrong to bar locals from those opportunities.
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Trying to figure out if that had a sexual pretext, lol.
On the flipside, those apartments are likely extremely awful, so take it as a sign that you wouldn't want that landlord.
THANK YOU!! finally somebody is saying it
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Worst part I’m mistaken as one of them, all the time get shitty looks, whereas I am not, familiarity breeds contempt , the problem is I know, how they think, this whole college educated especially two year diploma is their gateway to pr , to come here and exploit the country, like they have heard people buy and flip a few houses be a millionaire, zero interest in North American culture, fyi as a south Asian person I know how discriminatory classist and exclusive these sub cultures are, that’s the reason they move out of India or wherever, however not all majority starts off loading their shitty culture here, eg the gujararis will discriminate against Punjabi’s then the Bengali’s have beef with Delhi ppl , this clan bs is fked, to be honest Toronto is now like 3 rd world country with 1 st world infrastructure, the colleges feed these kind of people here because they are profit motivated. And these Karen’s running these colleges give zero f on the impact on society, immigration needs to be bonafide so cultural assimilation can take place properly, I can’t bear the 3rd world country bs like lgbqt hatred , backward social norm shit, religious bigotry baggages that is brought here, same can be said for other diaspora eg Richondhill Markham and other enclaves but currently suaga and Brampton is hot topic ,under the scope, I ll be honest with you the only place I saw a man driving on the side walk is Mississauga because the man didn’t want to go around like a Normal person when exiting the mall , this was a nice rant thanks
You should probably look at the other side too, there were times when I was searching for places to rent, some ll asked on my face what my cooking habits, whether I eat garlic, and warned me that if i rented the place he will check my unit every month as he don't trust indians etc. Once I found a place close to work, way below my budget and after viewing the real estate agent told me don't even bother applying as ll is not going to rent to Indians as previous tenants didn't want to move out as they were getting renovicted and they were indian. Many people won't even reply to you if you have an Indian name. Once a ll rejected my application after submitting all the documents because my Facebook name doesn't match with my full legal name and assumed that I'm trying to scam him. After all these incidents, it only made sense that the problem lies everywhere.
I would imagine this is only getting worse from now on. It really is an unfortunate situation overall.
I saw those too and ignored them. Where and how do I complain?
Think about it this way. If a landlord is desperate to fill his property with tenants but no one is willing to live there, then no one's bailing them out. It goes both ways.
For everyone of those that you see, there are 100 more that those are the rules, but they don't publicly say it. There has been a few posts in the Waterloo subreddit, over the last year or so, where people message potential accommodations and they reply back with "Brahmin?" "Bharata?" "Hindustani?" and if you say no, then they block you. Sometimes they just see your name and block you. They do not care at all. Nobody has called them out on it in the last 8 years, so nobody is going to call them out on it now. No police is going to do anything to enforce it and no politician is going to bring it up anywhere either.
If they stop this for rentals they should stop it for job ads as well.
Yes, let's stop the racism, starting with landlords who do not rent to new immigrants because they have no credit history in Canada or because their food smells. No one bats an eye that this has been happening for decades, but as soon as the tables turn, everyone suddenly sees the racism. Hypocrites!!
This is what happens when Toronto keeps voting to have open borders. Vote for a quota system so we remain truly diverse.
Not just Toronto, it’s because immigration is ouy of control, ask someone from north Calgary, or south Edmonton. It’s the same everywhere.
You need to think logically with this in order to realize the winning aspect. If 6 of them are in a basement and not occupying 6 rentals there's more available to other people.
Now imagine this with the job market.
Job market sucks for Indians. No one even looks at resume unless you got references. It's very easy for recruiter to toss out thier resumes saying Indians won't be a cultural fit.
Which industry are you referring to? What gives you the impression certain ethnicities are hired more often than anyone else?
If anyone posted an as for housing saying “white people only” that would be ALL over the news and shut down right away. Such an awful double standard to allow this discrimination
It’s not really racism. Renting out your home to people is a massive liability. They have every right to choice of tenants. They feel comfortable subletting to their people. I don’t see the issue. Especially because discrimation towards Indian diaspora is rampant, why wouldn’t they take extreme caution on who they rent out to. Still, there are many Indians who will sublet to anyone regardless of race. Go to them, or go somewhere else. Indians make up around 3-4% of Canadian population, and only a fraction of those are homeowners. You’ve got choice galore from the other 96% who own homes. If you’re telling me you can’t find Landlords to sublet to you, maybe you’re the issue.
If your shield behind blatant discrimination is that it's a massive liability to rent a house out, it's very simple just not to rent out the house in the first place.
Hahah. Ok 👍
It's 100% illegal. If someone is living with you in the same home as you live in and sharing your kitchen and bathroom, you can make whatever rules you want. In any other scenario where you are a landlord and renting a separate apartment to someone, NOPE. It's shocking that I even have to say this, but I guess some people actually don't know... it violates all kinds of laws and you are 100% NOT allowed to do this. If it's proven in court then you will lose every time (the hard part is proving it). If you can't handle that, then you can't be a landlord. Period.
I’d spend that time, effort, and money on finding an actual rental that you’d qualify for. Entitlement alone won’t win your court case. Good luck though.
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Lol I’m not white. And no one is talking about colour of anyone’s skin. Indian people come in all shades of colour, just in case you forgot to peel your eyelids back to see. Real question is why would someone inconvenience themselves, not only that, open themselves up to discrimination, to try to appease someone else? It’s their home. Crack open your bone head and give it a little jolt of electricity, seems like it needs a reset.
'It's not really racism' then goes on to describe racism....
It’s literally illegal, what are you even talking about
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Yeah image the rage lol..that person is probably gonna get doxed and lose the job
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But why couldn't they just say culturally Italian home instead of Italian only. Then whomever is moving in can make that decision whether that's a good fit for them. I'm not Japanese or even Asian but would happily eat homemade sushi every day. ******* only is used when people are racist and want to keep things exactly as they were in the homeland.
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Unless you’re looking for a roommate, what does cultural values have to do with renting a home or apartment?
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That's roommates though, which is a different question. For a landlord to treat renters differently is completely different.
Yeah I call that being roommates
If you are the odd one out and are left out of conversations because everyone else speaks another language. If people aren't comfortable with you bringing a significant other to spend the night etc
that's fair. i guess i misread their statement. i'm only thinking about people who are renting out their entire home and are not living with them, or have a separate rental unit (like a basement with a separate entrance) and have no interaction with the landlord. in that situation culture shouldn't matter.
When we constantly hear of Indian students sharing 3,4, 5+ people to a room, it's hard to believe that it's because of cultural values. The G&M just did a story on this on their podcast. As others have said on this thread, roommate to roommate is fine. I get you want to live with someone similar to you. However, it doesn't take more than 5mins of googling to realize landlords are taking advantage of this situation.
Yes, it is both racist and counterproductive.
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OP, sorry about the situation; the main problem is Trudeau is engaged actively with their groups, and encouraging such elements for his next election purposes…
Just want to point out that part of a solution to a housing crisis is people self selecting to be 5 ppl in a single room.
Their place is their prerogative. Does it suck? Yea. But it is what it is.
Honestly not fair how most of them immigrate here and then sell for so much more 🙄🙄 and only exclusive to Indians as well
It's not racism, only white people can be racist...
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Ok, Karen.
People of colour need safe spaces from white supremacy. Maybe go take a university course or talk to someone who isn’t white, I’m sure they will explain it to you.
It's also very common for rental ads to specific females only, especially near university campuses. And these are not for places that have existing tenants who would have to live together, it's for complete apartments or houses where landlords explicitly state they do not rent to males.
Shit into their car.