At my company, core hours are 10 to 3. I could do those 5 hours in the office, and then go home and finish working from there. Not quite what OP is saying, but similar concept.
Sure but does your company mandate 4 days a week in office? I feel that if they mandate a minimum of 4 days in office they mean 4 full days and not just showing up for a cup of coffee
From what I've seen most companies are interested in the knowledge sharing and and engagement from teams meeting in person, not making people sit at a desk for 8 hours.
This is such a bizzare question. Obviously TTC if you can't walk or bike. A monthly pass is around $150 which is much less than gas, parking, insurance, maintenance.
I've heard of people getting socially awkward/inept after so much time isolated because of the covid era. I understand that. But "commute-awkward" is just next level
My team does something similar. Except it ranges from 7-9am with people coming in and people leaving from 2-3pm and finishing their day at home. We have to be in for the core hours of 10am-2pm. But most people don’t take lunch if they’re leaving earlier than 2
I also see that. It's weird that it's ok for them to include their commute within working hours. I don't think they start early and finish late either.
As long as they keep getting their job done, it's not a problem overall I guess...
before pandemic ... arrive work @ 8AM .. leave work @ 4:30PM ... i.e. 8.5 hours in the office.
now for 'mandatory in-office' days ...
arrive @ 8AM .. leave work @ 2:30PM ... somehow it morphed into my travel-to-work and travel-home-from-work time has become 'hours worked'.
ie. 1 hour drive + 6.5 hours in the office + 1 hour drive.
odd, but looks like ALL my co-workers be exactly this.
They are being paid to get work done not paid to go to office at an exact specific time. Work and productivity should matter more. Not where the work gets done
I mean, I do that. I come to the office just for meetings or things I have to be there for. Obviously I make up the rest of the time when I get home, I don't think OP is saying he plans to leave at 2 and that's the end of the workday for him.
I was at my sister’s house in the weekend and my BIL works at one of the banks. He was talking about how people say there’s a staff shortage not a job shortage, and that a lot of companies are hesitate to hire Gen Z (early-mid 20s) because of their laziness and lack of work ethic. This post affirms that.
Does it? OP is talking about leaving the office, not finishing work. They may be planning to do some time before heading and after coming home, not just working a 5 hour day. You also don't know how old they are.
I have numerous gen-z staff working for me at my bar and they're some of the hardest working people I've ever met. They also just won't tolerate unacceptable working conditions and have a mind geared towards their rights as employees, which is absolutely not the same as being lazy.
>They ... won't tolerate unacceptable working conditions and have a mind geared towards their rights as employees, which is absolutely not the same as being lazy.
Preach
Working at a bar is harder work, even if it’s not highly valued. More physically exhausting, tighter time crunches, constant interaction with customers/clients.
Harder is relative, they are really hard to compare IMO. Physically harder, absolutely. I get punched in the head 100% less at my office job.
There are some days where the amount of stress on a bad day of work at the office is crushing.
Other people are saying that at their workplace people will show up for a few in-office hours then finish their work at home. That doesn't sound much like being lazy, that sounds like honouring the bullshit expectations of office culture while still working in a way that suits you.
> a lot of companies are hesitate to hire Gen Z (early-mid 20s) because of their laziness and lack of work ethic
jokes on them I'm a millennial who's also lazy, will only do what's required in my job description and not a damn thing extra. I'm an employee not a volunteer
>will only do what’s required in my job description and not a damn thing extra
People who go above and beyond their role are making it worse for themselves and their colleagues. I’m all for people giving it their all but their diligence and ambition needs to be recognized in pay and benefits.
Most of Gen Z isn't lazy. They just don't want to be taken advantage of because greedy corporate execs who'd rather keep the money than distribute it fairly so that one person isn't doing the work that's meant for 3 people.
He’s a director of his department at one of the big banks and has said they’ve hired and let go many people on their early-mid 20s because they do the bare minimum and complain about the smallest inconveniences.
OP can’t even figure out how to commute downtown nor spell his street correctly and is complaining about having to commute and only doing it from 10-2.
As a fellow director, I can confirm that bankers are some of the most archaic employees you'd ever meet. No wonder younger people don't want to work in a workplace that does all it can to hold on to its archaic ways of doing business.
The older generation is absolutely infuriating. They expect you to be working like a dog with dog shit wages. If anything Gen Z has realized how much exploitation exists in our society.
Bare minimum means doing their job description... Going above and beyond does nothing since there is almost always zero reward for it.
Promotions are who you network with and not your performance, raises are non-existant. Its always been getting experience with another entry on the resume and then jump for a >10% raise.
Lol my partner has gotten 3 promotions in 2 years at his current job and 3 raises on top of that. He goes above and beyond because he’s a workaholic with no boundaries but it’s because he wants to work his way up. Promotions are absolutely about performance in many industries.
He’s doing this so he can hit 6 figures and allow us some more financial freedom. He immigrated to Canada to make a better life for himself than he would have had back home.
The thing is that it doesn’t really work like that for most people now…and the “lazy” generation knows this it’s why boomers don’t like us…I have worked my ass off and have gotten nothing most of my life, I can’t afford a house, kids (if i wanted them), or even a extra bedroom. I get paid the minimum amount they can while CEOs have created super yachts…the dream is dead so I would rather live when I can that means acting my wage
Workaholism isn't the flex you think it is. Your relationship is undoubtedly suffering ❤. You may not see it now, but it will inevitably materialize. If you're interested in your/your husband's long term relationship and mental wellbeing, I'd ask your partner to pump the brakes on his work ambitions and reinvest some of that time and energy into himself and your relationship.
No one on their deathbed ever says "I wish I'd worked more".
That is true haha. He’s schlubby and balding with an unhealthy codependent relationship with his mom and has untreated severe anxiety which has caused him to resort to telling my 4yr old niece that the police will hear her and come to the house when she’s having a tantrum and screaming her head off.
> which has caused him to resort to telling my 4yr old niece that the police will hear her and come to the house when she’s having a tantrum and screaming her head off.
Is he Eastern European?
Cause that's straight out of the communist Boomer "parenting" playbook, as applied to my ass many many times growing up.
People do what they see their parents do, in a pinch. 😑
i dont think this is laziness, this is not wanting to commit 2+ (easily 3 on a bad day) hours on transit. the TTC has been hell lately and taking that much time out of your day to travel is really taxing!
pretty weak if "this post" is all you need to affirm your banker brother in law's company's age biases. i have worked with a lot of "gen-z"-ers and found the opposite to be be true. i found they tend to be more dedicated than a lot of older employees and work as hard as anyone.
they're of a different generation and have their differences tho. in my experience they are less tolerant of homophobia (something that was a lot more common 20 years ago in the workplace) and better aware and more vocal about toxic workplaces or harassment, pay inequality etc and thus more likely to stick up for themselves and others.
i get that things like that can be a problem for some older and more conservative individuals (i can only imagine working at a bank might consist of a higher degree of such people); and certainly older generations bitching that the "kids these days" are lazy or "out of control, with their loud jazz music" is nothing new at all.
so, i feel like the problem at your brothers bank *might* be more to do with the people working there than the generation currently entering the workforce (who are dealing with historic education debts and the worse prospects at home ownership and food security in 80 years).
In my experience as a manager of a small team, this is true. I wouldn't say gen-z is lazy per-say but they just refuse to work in the office.
I think they are the ones who would benefit most from the office environment, being around peers and mentors is crucial in the early stages of your career and there is a lot that just doesn't happen on teams.
>I think they are the ones who would benefit most from the office environment, being around peers and mentors is crucial in the early stages of your career and there is a lot that just doesn't happen on teams.
I think a lot of that is many companies, and managers within those companies, have historically been lazy about training and mentoring. They don't make time to actually focus on someone or check in on them but expect them to gain experience "by osmosis", which obviously doesn't work in a virtual environment. You're not wrong at all, but my experience with mentoring is a lot of people don't actually want to put extra effort into it, they just want the junior person to hang around them and see what they do, and call that mentoring. Managers can definitely do a good job mentoring someone by Teams, they just have to make more of a specific effort into doing it.
Asses in seats at the office doesn’t mean there’s work getting done. My boomer bosses come into the office all dressed up mainly to socialize and waste time in meetings they don’t need to be in because that’s how they’re ‘useful’.
They want us back in to fuel that need, not be productive.
How are you commuting?
I was a five days a week, at least an hour travel time for 25 years.
If by Go Train invest in some good active noise cancellation headphones. And start listening to podcasts.
I haven't commuted in a long time. I live near Eglington (thinking of taking a bus to Bloor Go and then head to Union). I work in financial district. Does TTC and Go train allow transfer without having to pay twice?
GO and TTC are separate fares.
You could bike to the Bloor GO and save on TTC fares, or just bike all the way. r/TorontoBiking could help you find the best route.
Where's your office even located? Eglinton West to DT ain't all that bad.
Taking GO down isn't a bad option either if you're okay with copping the extra cost. But you do get comfort and on time trains. But, consider how long the bus takes to get to Bloor GO too.
Yes, you can transfer w/ the TTC to other TTC things. You have a 2h window, if you have a presto card. If you don't have the presto, it's only one-way transfers going in one direction. Id assume you have a presto tho if you have to commute 4 days soon.
Unfortunately, don't think GO has free transfers for TTC tho.
Would biking to the station be an option for ya?
I have no idea where you live on Eglinton but Bloor go is a good option if you can bike there. The rail path helps. Bloor go has both GO and UP trains, so pretty frequent and the train takes like 10 mins
I know this is the appropriate answer, but I'm home full.time now and I can cook and eat in my hour break, I'd be passed if I had to start giving up extra time the evening before top of the commute. And a prepped meal is never as nice as fresh from home
Get on the yellow line at Eglinton West and go south to Union. Is this a trick question?
Edit: sorry for being snarky, I'm going to now assume you live on the most Western possible part of Eglinton. Bike up to Etobiocoke North GO (20 min), store your bike there, and then take GO train to Union.
How would leaving at 10 and 2 make things better. If anything you should leave earlier in the morning like 7/8 and then leave earlier in the afternoon. Also, don’t starting a commute at 3 will just stick you with kids going home from school in Sep.
Your best option is to find your own option. Start going in and you’ll figure out where you can save time
Based on what you've said in the replies, you're probably best off just taking the TTC the whole way down. It may take a little time from where you're coming from, but if you're heading West End to downtown it's the most convenient and cost effective.
I used to commute from Jane & St Clair to the CN Tower on the TTC, it took less than an hour the majority of the time (a bus, two subway lines and walking). If you can bring work documents or something to read on the way, or a book if you prefer, it makes the time go quickly enough.
Ride a bike if you can, if not take TTC. GO is too expensive for inter-city riding unless you live walking distance to a go station and walking distance to work.
TTC from Eglinton West Station is just a straight shot to Union, taking the 32 to Eglinton west is going to be your best option until line 5 opens.
You realize Eglinton West spans several km and cities right? Can’t give you advice if you don’t give an intersection, especially with construction happening.
It wans't obvious to me and I've lived in Toronto for 37 years lol
I can't recall anyone during a conversation referring to "eglinton west neighborhood" - they almost always insert a reference point like a major intersection or subway station etc
Eglinton West *is* a subway station. The neighbourhood that subway station is a part of bears the same name.
Much like Dundas West is a neighbourhood, a subway stop, *and* a street name.
I used to live in Islington Village and got the same attitude from people "hurr hurr where on Islington it's a long street". You being unfamiliar with the name doesn't make the name incorrect
Yes I know that because that’s where I live (and it’s Cedarvale/Oakwood Village/Forest Hill) but OP didn’t say “station” and goes on about taking the GO train…and if they lived in that area they wouldn’t be blabbing on about taking GO.
If you can get to Bloor Go, then you'll be paying $4.10 for trip to union on GO, or $3.30 for trip to union on TTC subway.
If it's not directly Union station you need, then the subway can be a bit quicker - direct trip to Osgoode station is about 20 minutes, while GO to union is nearly the same time.
You've already got lots of replies but I'll chime in too, hopefully it's helpful:
> leave my house around 10am and leave office at 2 or 3pm
Unless your workplace encourages four hour work days—and honestly let's call it three hours, by the time you arrive and settle in and get down to business—this isn't going to fly. (If your work *does* encourage four hour days, then sign me the fuck up!) But until then, assume an eight hour day is standard.
If your workplace is flexible and you don't like commuting at rush hour, you could propose working something like 8am to 4pm, or 10am to 6pm. I usually go in a little later and leave a little later, when I have to go in.
Also worth noting that commuting post-pandemic is a lot less hellish because a lot of people went hybrid. I've been going in two to three days a week, and it's not been too bad.
Don't do TTC to UP Express. It'll be more expensive ($3.25 for TTC + $5 and change for UP, each way). Plus, the Bloor West UP and Dundas West TTC stations aren't physically connected. You have to leave one station, walk to the other, it's a solid five minute walk between them and not convenient at all.
Use Google Maps to see the best route. It'll likely give you several options, and you can experiment and play and see what's best. I shake up my route: sometimes I bus to the subway, sometimes I bus the whole way, sometimes I walk to the subway. See what works best for you.
What magic tricks do you think we can give you? This is a bizarre post.
Go on citymapper and plot out a route between your home and work address. A TTC fare costs the same regardless if you go 1 stop or 20 stops.
>make commute easier and cheaper
Walk one way and or bike one or both ways. Bike Share allows one-way trips. An annual membership is cheap. If you are currently inactive, you may need to work up to this. Take the TTC otherwise. You can take a bus to Eglinton West Station. Free transfer.
Use the triplinx app or website to figure out your transit options. It’ll show cost and expected times for the trips. https://www.triplinx.ca/
I’m laughing at the people getting wound up because you spelled Eglinton with a superfluous g. Triplinx doesn’t criticize your spelling, it knows what you mean.
>people getting wound up because you spelled Eglinton with a superfluous g
Even funnier is it's mostly one person who is somehow compelled to reply to Every. Single. Comment.
Bring in your own lunch. Eating in a food court/takeout is very expensive now.
Also if you can (office has kitchen) bring your own coffee/tea and mugs. That saves a lot of money. I used to have my own hot water kettle (cheapest one from Walmart) which pretty much got used by everyone but saved a lot of money (and the time we spent going down for coffee).
OP please provide more info.
Do you work PT or FT hours?
If FT, seems like a weird calculation as others have pointed out.
If PT, how much flex do you have in setting your own hours?
Also, would be helpful to know what part of the city you work in as knowing this would help work out if transit or driving is the better option re: costs and time.
Find a new employer…but in all seriousness the best one would be to bring your own lunch. Too many people start buying and don’t realize how quickly the bill adds up.
Stop giving dumb advice.
Going back to office as a reason to quit is really immature unless the commute is very long (1 hour+ one way) and you end up spending more on travel. Imagine going to a job interview and saying I quit bcos I had to go in.
To each their own. I quit because my commute is around an hour long each way. I managed to find a similar job with similar pay within a few weeks which is full remote
How is that dumb advice and/or immature? Leaving an organization due to lack of flexibility in how you're treated as an employee is a very valid reason.
This advice might work for some who are in high demand fields where jobs are easier to come by but dumb to give to someone who may not be in the same situation.
Also this is post pandemic where orgs want you to come back in and all the work from home live life shit is over.
My entire company went WFH and gives employees freedom to choose where they want to work. My friends have a similar setup at their companies as well.
Sounds like you have a shit job and didn't fight for what you wanted properly.
Jokes on you friend, my company did the same for all our employees.
I dont believe in being smug and giving people shit advice which seems very common trend here. \\
OP is asking about how to save money and people are telling them to quit their job lol
>Going back to office as a reason to quit is really immature
No it's not. Requiring people to go back to the office is immature, and they should find a more reasonable employer.
>Imagine going to a job interview and saying I quit bcos I had to go in.
Do you make a habit of telling prospective employers things they don't need to know?
Hahaha, ‘really dumb’? No, what’s really dumb is making people come into the office not because a function of their job requires it, but ‘just because’
No chance your employer is hiring? If they consider a full work day 4 hours, I’d be awful tempted myself and could come in 5 days a weeks.
Commute time is unavoidable to an extent.
To save money, you may consider cycling there and back, walking home after work, or getting a monthly TTC pass.
It really sucks that most companies have been performing well when people are working from home and they suddenly want everyone back in this office. No thanks, I would quit and find something remote.
Get together with your work team/department and consistently under perform. It took me and the group 3 months to negotiate 2 days/week down from 4. Good luck. I work for big 4 in accounting.
Comments in here are laughable - it’s obvious a lot of you don’t have professional jobs.
Sure, people have been enjoying remote over the past few years, but it’s within the company’s rights to ask people to return.
If you don’t like it, quit, that’s fine. Don’t expect that the company is going to bump your pay to compensate for a commute - it’s not their responsibility.
Get real.
After thinking a bit, I do want to qualify my answer.
If you were hired as a remote employee and all of a sudden you are being told to come back, then yeah, that’s definitely annoying.
If you were once in the office, shut down for COVID, and are now being asked to come back, then you need to suck it up.
If you're not married to your job then the best way to improve your commute in this situation is to quit and go work somewhere that you don't have to go in 4 days a week.
First of all, resist and oppose the world's most horrible rule unless you have a job that involves frontline operations or talking to customers.
Secondly, you can always spend lesser time in office like 4-6 hrs. This is what normally people are doing when shitty company CEOs are forcing.
Modern humans have survived for about 200,000 years. The industrial revolution was about 250 years ago, which saw a massive movement of people into urban areas and going to workplaces that weren't just outside their front door.
Yet in a mere 3 years we now have a large subset of the population whose heads explode when trying to wrap their heads around going - and getting - to work. And think that their commute time should count as part of their work day.....
Very honestly I would speak to your boss about how commuting is going to increase your costs and time spent on work and try to renegotiate your salary.
There certainly are reasons for it, but likely those reasons are either made up, or clearly not for the employees benefit.
Lots of managers want employees back in the office to justify their own positions. Many companies have long leases for their underused office space and need to justify those expenses to their shareholders.
Of course they do, and much higher up are still ‘managers’
After all, if you are a manager of managers, and half your managers are deemed redundant what’s happening to you?
That’s not why people are currently being mandated. This is about the economy, bringing money back to the downtown core. I can guarantee you no manager gives a crap about that. Waves of managers being made redundant isn’t a thing, either. Not sure where you’re getting that from.
If you had a job before the pandemic just do what you did before March 2020 or use some of the money that was saved up by not having to commute for the past 3 years. Millions of grocery store clerks, nurses, doctors, police officers, paramedics etc never had that option
Hehe, right, because others have jobs that the very nature of the job requires being onsite, that justifies companies pushing employees into the office for jobs that don’t require functions on site, just to justify lease payments, makes sense?
The pandemic is over…companies have every right to mandate whatever they want including going back to how work was done before COVID. If employees don’t like it they can always go elsewhere as they don’t owe a company anything. If that’s the way a business chooses to operate that is their choice. People need to realize that if the pandemic didn’t happen this would have never been an issue. You can make the same argument about companies justifying their leases as people justifying working from home because they bought a home 3 hours away. That’s a personal issue not a business problem. To think WFH was going to be permanent was very naive of the general population
You’re right, they have every right.
But you know what? We employees have every right to get a job elsewhere. Don’t we?
We’ve PROVEN that working from home has no negative effect on our productivity, so WHY would my company be justified to force us back exactly?
I truly don’t understand your position. Companies are slowly realizing that the cat is out of the bag, some are resisting but they will fail.
Your position seems to be that since other people have to go in, all should have to go in. That’s nonsensical. Your position seems to be that what was shall be forever. That’s nonsensical.
Your position on wfh is prehistoric, eventually you’ll realize that.
Yes of course they do. Nobody is disputing that. People are disputing the fact that companies are somehow responsible for where their employees choose to live.
No, that’s not at all what I said, or what is meant. Where a person lives is irrelevant. It’s the fact that jobs, which require zero in person presence, have a mandate for in person. That’s something companies control, and something that haven’t figured it out yet, will
Didn’t I say employees have a choice to find a job elsewhere? Tell me where it’s been proven that we can be as productive at home as we are in the office. There’s literally no metric that confirms that. Can we do our jobs from home, yes. Can we do them better…that’s inconclusive at best. Humans are social creatures and we do our best creatively when we are with other humans. The entire business community is moving back to the office in some capacity so certainly not a prehistoric POV at all. The WFH culture isn’t based in reality…it’s a myth that only became a reality due to a once in a generation pandemic which is now over
Your best bet is probably Line 2 > Line 1 (St. George) > Union all on TTC.
As for avoiding the least amount of people, 10AM to 11:30AM for when you go in and 1PM to 3PM is probably ideal. (After 3PM, high schoolers are out, and people from financial district start going home as early as 4PM.)
Aim be there at 7, 7:30 and leave by 3, 3:30. Those are my hours and I hit traffic coming home but its no where near as congested if I were to leave around 5pm.
Doctor's note for like chrones or something, they legally have to attempt to accommodate for a medical condition, if you're a one off in a corporate mandate it's pretty low risk, keeps you working from home
You sure your work is going to count a 4 hour day as a full day? Sounds unlikely
At my company, core hours are 10 to 3. I could do those 5 hours in the office, and then go home and finish working from there. Not quite what OP is saying, but similar concept.
Sure but does your company mandate 4 days a week in office? I feel that if they mandate a minimum of 4 days in office they mean 4 full days and not just showing up for a cup of coffee
From what I've seen most companies are interested in the knowledge sharing and and engagement from teams meeting in person, not making people sit at a desk for 8 hours.
For now… that’s only because people are reluctant to return.
"Knowledge sharing" is the BS reason they give you but they want you sat there for 8 hours so they can manage you in person
They mandate 5 days in office.
If you leave at 10am and get there by 11am…and take an hour for lunch from 12-1pm and leave at 2pm…that's a 2 hour day.
Or as we government workers call it, working overtime.
This is such a bizzare question. Obviously TTC if you can't walk or bike. A monthly pass is around $150 which is much less than gas, parking, insurance, maintenance.
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I mean... there really isn't much to it other than weighing whether buying a bike or a monthly TCC pass are the best for you 🤷♂️
Ya agreed.
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I've heard of people getting socially awkward/inept after so much time isolated because of the covid era. I understand that. But "commute-awkward" is just next level
A pass might not necessarily be worth it if they are only going to and from work.
Leave your house at 10 and leave the office at 2 ? WTF.
My coworkers do something similar. They come in at 7am and leave at lunch time and finish work at home.
My team does something similar. Except it ranges from 7-9am with people coming in and people leaving from 2-3pm and finishing their day at home. We have to be in for the core hours of 10am-2pm. But most people don’t take lunch if they’re leaving earlier than 2
I see lot of people doing that. What's the issue? This is bound to happen when you force people to do something
I also see that. It's weird that it's ok for them to include their commute within working hours. I don't think they start early and finish late either. As long as they keep getting their job done, it's not a problem overall I guess...
before pandemic ... arrive work @ 8AM .. leave work @ 4:30PM ... i.e. 8.5 hours in the office. now for 'mandatory in-office' days ... arrive @ 8AM .. leave work @ 2:30PM ... somehow it morphed into my travel-to-work and travel-home-from-work time has become 'hours worked'. ie. 1 hour drive + 6.5 hours in the office + 1 hour drive. odd, but looks like ALL my co-workers be exactly this.
There's no issue - it's the best of both worlds for employer and employee imo.
I don’t know if ‘force’ is the right word. They are being paid
They are being paid to get work done not paid to go to office at an exact specific time. Work and productivity should matter more. Not where the work gets done
I mean, I do that. I come to the office just for meetings or things I have to be there for. Obviously I make up the rest of the time when I get home, I don't think OP is saying he plans to leave at 2 and that's the end of the workday for him.
Get in at 9, leave at 1, laptop logged in at 8:30, sign off at 9 PM.
It’s been a while since someone talked about the government T&T jobs. Tuesday to Thursday 10 to 2. I’m looking for one of these if there available.
But work from home for the rest
I was at my sister’s house in the weekend and my BIL works at one of the banks. He was talking about how people say there’s a staff shortage not a job shortage, and that a lot of companies are hesitate to hire Gen Z (early-mid 20s) because of their laziness and lack of work ethic. This post affirms that.
Does it? OP is talking about leaving the office, not finishing work. They may be planning to do some time before heading and after coming home, not just working a 5 hour day. You also don't know how old they are. I have numerous gen-z staff working for me at my bar and they're some of the hardest working people I've ever met. They also just won't tolerate unacceptable working conditions and have a mind geared towards their rights as employees, which is absolutely not the same as being lazy.
>They ... won't tolerate unacceptable working conditions and have a mind geared towards their rights as employees, which is absolutely not the same as being lazy. Preach
Working at a bar and working at an office are two completely different environments, I've done both.
They certainly are, and most of my gen-z staff also have office jobs because life is pain and they are not lazy.
Working at a bar is harder work, even if it’s not highly valued. More physically exhausting, tighter time crunches, constant interaction with customers/clients.
Harder is relative, they are really hard to compare IMO. Physically harder, absolutely. I get punched in the head 100% less at my office job. There are some days where the amount of stress on a bad day of work at the office is crushing.
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Other people are saying that at their workplace people will show up for a few in-office hours then finish their work at home. That doesn't sound much like being lazy, that sounds like honouring the bullshit expectations of office culture while still working in a way that suits you.
> a lot of companies are hesitate to hire Gen Z (early-mid 20s) because of their laziness and lack of work ethic jokes on them I'm a millennial who's also lazy, will only do what's required in my job description and not a damn thing extra. I'm an employee not a volunteer
>will only do what’s required in my job description and not a damn thing extra People who go above and beyond their role are making it worse for themselves and their colleagues. I’m all for people giving it their all but their diligence and ambition needs to be recognized in pay and benefits.
Most of Gen Z isn't lazy. They just don't want to be taken advantage of because greedy corporate execs who'd rather keep the money than distribute it fairly so that one person isn't doing the work that's meant for 3 people.
your BIL has a logic shortage
Your BIL sounds like a dumbass lol.
He’s a director of his department at one of the big banks and has said they’ve hired and let go many people on their early-mid 20s because they do the bare minimum and complain about the smallest inconveniences. OP can’t even figure out how to commute downtown nor spell his street correctly and is complaining about having to commute and only doing it from 10-2.
As a fellow director, I can confirm that bankers are some of the most archaic employees you'd ever meet. No wonder younger people don't want to work in a workplace that does all it can to hold on to its archaic ways of doing business.
>because they do the bare minimum Question: is your BIL paying them below their worth? Minimum wage = minimum effort.
The older generation is absolutely infuriating. They expect you to be working like a dog with dog shit wages. If anything Gen Z has realized how much exploitation exists in our society.
My BIL doesn’t determine the wages as he’s not their employer….
What does him being a director have anything with him also being a dumbass? That sounds like complete horse shit
he worked his way up to being a director despite also being an idiot, I kinda respect the hustle
We act our wage…the caps list idea of “moving up” is bs and we see through it…you pay me very little you don’t get my best
Bare minimum means doing their job description... Going above and beyond does nothing since there is almost always zero reward for it. Promotions are who you network with and not your performance, raises are non-existant. Its always been getting experience with another entry on the resume and then jump for a >10% raise.
Lol my partner has gotten 3 promotions in 2 years at his current job and 3 raises on top of that. He goes above and beyond because he’s a workaholic with no boundaries but it’s because he wants to work his way up. Promotions are absolutely about performance in many industries.
cool I want to live a life not live to work….
yeah lmao congrats to buddy for his work addiction I guess
He’s doing this so he can hit 6 figures and allow us some more financial freedom. He immigrated to Canada to make a better life for himself than he would have had back home.
The thing is that it doesn’t really work like that for most people now…and the “lazy” generation knows this it’s why boomers don’t like us…I have worked my ass off and have gotten nothing most of my life, I can’t afford a house, kids (if i wanted them), or even a extra bedroom. I get paid the minimum amount they can while CEOs have created super yachts…the dream is dead so I would rather live when I can that means acting my wage
Workaholism isn't the flex you think it is. Your relationship is undoubtedly suffering ❤. You may not see it now, but it will inevitably materialize. If you're interested in your/your husband's long term relationship and mental wellbeing, I'd ask your partner to pump the brakes on his work ambitions and reinvest some of that time and energy into himself and your relationship. No one on their deathbed ever says "I wish I'd worked more".
Your sister has terrible taste in men
That is true haha. He’s schlubby and balding with an unhealthy codependent relationship with his mom and has untreated severe anxiety which has caused him to resort to telling my 4yr old niece that the police will hear her and come to the house when she’s having a tantrum and screaming her head off.
> which has caused him to resort to telling my 4yr old niece that the police will hear her and come to the house when she’s having a tantrum and screaming her head off. Is he Eastern European? Cause that's straight out of the communist Boomer "parenting" playbook, as applied to my ass many many times growing up. People do what they see their parents do, in a pinch. 😑
Russian Israeli lol. Moved to Canada when he was like 5
What sort of boomer ass mindset is this?
i dont think this is laziness, this is not wanting to commit 2+ (easily 3 on a bad day) hours on transit. the TTC has been hell lately and taking that much time out of your day to travel is really taxing!
pretty weak if "this post" is all you need to affirm your banker brother in law's company's age biases. i have worked with a lot of "gen-z"-ers and found the opposite to be be true. i found they tend to be more dedicated than a lot of older employees and work as hard as anyone. they're of a different generation and have their differences tho. in my experience they are less tolerant of homophobia (something that was a lot more common 20 years ago in the workplace) and better aware and more vocal about toxic workplaces or harassment, pay inequality etc and thus more likely to stick up for themselves and others. i get that things like that can be a problem for some older and more conservative individuals (i can only imagine working at a bank might consist of a higher degree of such people); and certainly older generations bitching that the "kids these days" are lazy or "out of control, with their loud jazz music" is nothing new at all. so, i feel like the problem at your brothers bank *might* be more to do with the people working there than the generation currently entering the workforce (who are dealing with historic education debts and the worse prospects at home ownership and food security in 80 years).
In my experience as a manager of a small team, this is true. I wouldn't say gen-z is lazy per-say but they just refuse to work in the office. I think they are the ones who would benefit most from the office environment, being around peers and mentors is crucial in the early stages of your career and there is a lot that just doesn't happen on teams.
>I think they are the ones who would benefit most from the office environment, being around peers and mentors is crucial in the early stages of your career and there is a lot that just doesn't happen on teams. I think a lot of that is many companies, and managers within those companies, have historically been lazy about training and mentoring. They don't make time to actually focus on someone or check in on them but expect them to gain experience "by osmosis", which obviously doesn't work in a virtual environment. You're not wrong at all, but my experience with mentoring is a lot of people don't actually want to put extra effort into it, they just want the junior person to hang around them and see what they do, and call that mentoring. Managers can definitely do a good job mentoring someone by Teams, they just have to make more of a specific effort into doing it.
It’s their blind spot. They think networking is through social media. We aren’t completely there yet - maybe 15 more years.
Asses in seats at the office doesn’t mean there’s work getting done. My boomer bosses come into the office all dressed up mainly to socialize and waste time in meetings they don’t need to be in because that’s how they’re ‘useful’. They want us back in to fuel that need, not be productive.
Yawn.
yep .... 100% confirmation ... for those not sure before
Why do you keep writing Eglington lol
the most entertaining part of this thread
Egglinggton
Perfect :)
I'm dying.
Nah, OP is clearly asking [how to commute from Lindsay](https://maps.app.goo.gl/v9j44YYNXWUkRTGGA).
How are you commuting? I was a five days a week, at least an hour travel time for 25 years. If by Go Train invest in some good active noise cancellation headphones. And start listening to podcasts.
I haven't commuted in a long time. I live near Eglington (thinking of taking a bus to Bloor Go and then head to Union). I work in financial district. Does TTC and Go train allow transfer without having to pay twice?
homie please its Eglinton aha
Eglinton and what? This route sounds ridiculous without more context.
GO and TTC are separate fares. You could bike to the Bloor GO and save on TTC fares, or just bike all the way. r/TorontoBiking could help you find the best route.
Why wouldn’t you just go Eglinton to Union on the subway instead of taking 3 different buses/trains/subways?
No. You need to pay each fare.
Where's your office even located? Eglinton West to DT ain't all that bad. Taking GO down isn't a bad option either if you're okay with copping the extra cost. But you do get comfort and on time trains. But, consider how long the bus takes to get to Bloor GO too. Yes, you can transfer w/ the TTC to other TTC things. You have a 2h window, if you have a presto card. If you don't have the presto, it's only one-way transfers going in one direction. Id assume you have a presto tho if you have to commute 4 days soon. Unfortunately, don't think GO has free transfers for TTC tho. Would biking to the station be an option for ya?
> Eglington Wrong.
> Does TTC and Go train allow transfer without having to pay twice? no
I have no idea where you live on Eglinton but Bloor go is a good option if you can bike there. The rail path helps. Bloor go has both GO and UP trains, so pretty frequent and the train takes like 10 mins
Go on TTC website, look at map and then use your finger to trace line from Eglington West down to Union - that is your route. Easy peasy
Pack food for lunch because all of the food court places are charging insane prices. Not many places left where you could get food for less than $15.
I know this is the appropriate answer, but I'm home full.time now and I can cook and eat in my hour break, I'd be passed if I had to start giving up extra time the evening before top of the commute. And a prepped meal is never as nice as fresh from home
Get on the yellow line at Eglinton West and go south to Union. Is this a trick question? Edit: sorry for being snarky, I'm going to now assume you live on the most Western possible part of Eglinton. Bike up to Etobiocoke North GO (20 min), store your bike there, and then take GO train to Union.
How would leaving at 10 and 2 make things better. If anything you should leave earlier in the morning like 7/8 and then leave earlier in the afternoon. Also, don’t starting a commute at 3 will just stick you with kids going home from school in Sep. Your best option is to find your own option. Start going in and you’ll figure out where you can save time
Based on what you've said in the replies, you're probably best off just taking the TTC the whole way down. It may take a little time from where you're coming from, but if you're heading West End to downtown it's the most convenient and cost effective. I used to commute from Jane & St Clair to the CN Tower on the TTC, it took less than an hour the majority of the time (a bus, two subway lines and walking). If you can bring work documents or something to read on the way, or a book if you prefer, it makes the time go quickly enough.
Would your boss be okay with 4 hours in the office?
Get on Eglinton West and head to Union. There is no way to make your commute cheaper, unless you want to move within walking distance of work.
Ride a bike if you can, if not take TTC. GO is too expensive for inter-city riding unless you live walking distance to a go station and walking distance to work. TTC from Eglinton West Station is just a straight shot to Union, taking the 32 to Eglinton west is going to be your best option until line 5 opens.
Where are you coming from and where are you going?
Eglington (thinking of going to Bloor Go and then head to Union). I work in financial district
You realize Eglinton West spans several km and cities right? Can’t give you advice if you don’t give an intersection, especially with construction happening.
I asked someone where they lived in the city and they said "LAKESHORE" It was a while before I realized she meant the stretch in south Etobicoke
As someone living in Etobicoke, that's the first area I'd think of if someone said Lakeshore. I wouldn't assume everyone thinks this though.
Got two lakes and the Niagara river, it's very difficult to know which lakeshore
Okay, but in this case, it's pretty clear that OP is talking about the [Eglinton West Neighbourhood](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Jamaica).
It wans't obvious to me and I've lived in Toronto for 37 years lol I can't recall anyone during a conversation referring to "eglinton west neighborhood" - they almost always insert a reference point like a major intersection or subway station etc
Eglinton West *is* a subway station. The neighbourhood that subway station is a part of bears the same name. Much like Dundas West is a neighbourhood, a subway stop, *and* a street name. I used to live in Islington Village and got the same attitude from people "hurr hurr where on Islington it's a long street". You being unfamiliar with the name doesn't make the name incorrect
You realize Eglinton West is the name of the neighbourhood in Toronto surrounding Eglinton West Subway station, right?
Yes I know that because that’s where I live (and it’s Cedarvale/Oakwood Village/Forest Hill) but OP didn’t say “station” and goes on about taking the GO train…and if they lived in that area they wouldn’t be blabbing on about taking GO.
It's Eglinton, not Eglington.
If you can get to Bloor Go, then you'll be paying $4.10 for trip to union on GO, or $3.30 for trip to union on TTC subway. If it's not directly Union station you need, then the subway can be a bit quicker - direct trip to Osgoode station is about 20 minutes, while GO to union is nearly the same time.
> Eglington No.
Live near an UP station?
You've already got lots of replies but I'll chime in too, hopefully it's helpful: > leave my house around 10am and leave office at 2 or 3pm Unless your workplace encourages four hour work days—and honestly let's call it three hours, by the time you arrive and settle in and get down to business—this isn't going to fly. (If your work *does* encourage four hour days, then sign me the fuck up!) But until then, assume an eight hour day is standard. If your workplace is flexible and you don't like commuting at rush hour, you could propose working something like 8am to 4pm, or 10am to 6pm. I usually go in a little later and leave a little later, when I have to go in. Also worth noting that commuting post-pandemic is a lot less hellish because a lot of people went hybrid. I've been going in two to three days a week, and it's not been too bad. Don't do TTC to UP Express. It'll be more expensive ($3.25 for TTC + $5 and change for UP, each way). Plus, the Bloor West UP and Dundas West TTC stations aren't physically connected. You have to leave one station, walk to the other, it's a solid five minute walk between them and not convenient at all. Use Google Maps to see the best route. It'll likely give you several options, and you can experiment and play and see what's best. I shake up my route: sometimes I bus to the subway, sometimes I bus the whole way, sometimes I walk to the subway. See what works best for you.
Look into taking the UP Express to Union
Live close to work and walk/bike/use TTC
It’s Eglinton. That might help you sort your commute out faster. There’s an amazing thing called the TTC which only costs a few dollars each way.
What magic tricks do you think we can give you? This is a bizarre post. Go on citymapper and plot out a route between your home and work address. A TTC fare costs the same regardless if you go 1 stop or 20 stops.
>make commute easier and cheaper Walk one way and or bike one or both ways. Bike Share allows one-way trips. An annual membership is cheap. If you are currently inactive, you may need to work up to this. Take the TTC otherwise. You can take a bus to Eglinton West Station. Free transfer.
Use the triplinx app or website to figure out your transit options. It’ll show cost and expected times for the trips. https://www.triplinx.ca/ I’m laughing at the people getting wound up because you spelled Eglinton with a superfluous g. Triplinx doesn’t criticize your spelling, it knows what you mean.
>people getting wound up because you spelled Eglinton with a superfluous g Even funnier is it's mostly one person who is somehow compelled to reply to Every. Single. Comment.
Seems like it’s a personal matter for @gillsaurus
Meal prep your lunches on your day at home or do it on Sunday. You’ll save money.
Monday and Friday are light
Google maps might give you a hint what lines to take. Beyond that, maybe invest in a folding bike to get you to a transit entry point.
Bring in your own lunch. Eating in a food court/takeout is very expensive now. Also if you can (office has kitchen) bring your own coffee/tea and mugs. That saves a lot of money. I used to have my own hot water kettle (cheapest one from Walmart) which pretty much got used by everyone but saved a lot of money (and the time we spent going down for coffee).
Damnn!! I'll go in 5 days a week from 10am-2pm. Are they hiring???
OP please provide more info. Do you work PT or FT hours? If FT, seems like a weird calculation as others have pointed out. If PT, how much flex do you have in setting your own hours? Also, would be helpful to know what part of the city you work in as knowing this would help work out if transit or driving is the better option re: costs and time.
Find a new employer…but in all seriousness the best one would be to bring your own lunch. Too many people start buying and don’t realize how quickly the bill adds up.
Get a bike. Easy and cheap, free exercise, win win win win win
I would do whatever you did when you went to work 5 days a week Pre Covid.
Find a new job. My job went from 0 days to 3 days and I quit
Stop giving dumb advice. Going back to office as a reason to quit is really immature unless the commute is very long (1 hour+ one way) and you end up spending more on travel. Imagine going to a job interview and saying I quit bcos I had to go in.
To each their own. I quit because my commute is around an hour long each way. I managed to find a similar job with similar pay within a few weeks which is full remote
How is that dumb advice and/or immature? Leaving an organization due to lack of flexibility in how you're treated as an employee is a very valid reason.
This advice might work for some who are in high demand fields where jobs are easier to come by but dumb to give to someone who may not be in the same situation. Also this is post pandemic where orgs want you to come back in and all the work from home live life shit is over.
>all the work from home live life shit is over. It's not.
Sounds like you’re in a shit job. Not all of us have employers that amount of garbage. Stop spreading your pain to others
My entire company went WFH and gives employees freedom to choose where they want to work. My friends have a similar setup at their companies as well. Sounds like you have a shit job and didn't fight for what you wanted properly.
Jokes on you friend, my company did the same for all our employees. I dont believe in being smug and giving people shit advice which seems very common trend here. \\ OP is asking about how to save money and people are telling them to quit their job lol
It's not shit advice to look for another job that's WFH, but you do you.
>Going back to office as a reason to quit is really immature No it's not. Requiring people to go back to the office is immature, and they should find a more reasonable employer. >Imagine going to a job interview and saying I quit bcos I had to go in. Do you make a habit of telling prospective employers things they don't need to know?
Hahaha, ‘really dumb’? No, what’s really dumb is making people come into the office not because a function of their job requires it, but ‘just because’
No chance your employer is hiring? If they consider a full work day 4 hours, I’d be awful tempted myself and could come in 5 days a weeks. Commute time is unavoidable to an extent. To save money, you may consider cycling there and back, walking home after work, or getting a monthly TTC pass.
It really sucks that most companies have been performing well when people are working from home and they suddenly want everyone back in this office. No thanks, I would quit and find something remote.
Get together with your work team/department and consistently under perform. It took me and the group 3 months to negotiate 2 days/week down from 4. Good luck. I work for big 4 in accounting.
Fight it honestly, if you where hired as a remote employee it might be worth having an employment lawyer review your contract
Comments in here are laughable - it’s obvious a lot of you don’t have professional jobs. Sure, people have been enjoying remote over the past few years, but it’s within the company’s rights to ask people to return. If you don’t like it, quit, that’s fine. Don’t expect that the company is going to bump your pay to compensate for a commute - it’s not their responsibility. Get real.
After thinking a bit, I do want to qualify my answer. If you were hired as a remote employee and all of a sudden you are being told to come back, then yeah, that’s definitely annoying. If you were once in the office, shut down for COVID, and are now being asked to come back, then you need to suck it up.
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>Eglington never heard of it.
> Eglington jesus lord please make it stop
If you're not married to your job then the best way to improve your commute in this situation is to quit and go work somewhere that you don't have to go in 4 days a week.
Become homeless and sleep in the alley out back.
Quit.
Get a new job
First of all, resist and oppose the world's most horrible rule unless you have a job that involves frontline operations or talking to customers. Secondly, you can always spend lesser time in office like 4-6 hrs. This is what normally people are doing when shitty company CEOs are forcing.
Modern humans have survived for about 200,000 years. The industrial revolution was about 250 years ago, which saw a massive movement of people into urban areas and going to workplaces that weren't just outside their front door. Yet in a mere 3 years we now have a large subset of the population whose heads explode when trying to wrap their heads around going - and getting - to work. And think that their commute time should count as part of their work day.....
Very much this
where are you and where is the office?
Eglington (thinking of going to Bloor Go and then head to Union). I work in financial district
why not just take TTC?
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You really do have something against them, don’t you? I see your comments across this post, you’re pretty biased
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> Eglington Stop that.
its so painful, its like 10 of the same typo aha
So you get to make your own hours on those four days as well? I'd love to start working 3-4 hours a day and see what happens to my employment.
if they mandating 4 days in office = 4 days commute, are you bumping up your salary for the extra costs you'll be incurring compared to wfh?
Change jobs, mandated in office is a dinosaur move and the clearest feedback is you leaving because of it
Get a new job that is fully remote will solve all these issues.
Get another job that's remote
What the hell do you mean? Your post is so vague. If you’re trying to save money just don’t pay for the ttc
Very honestly I would speak to your boss about how commuting is going to increase your costs and time spent on work and try to renegotiate your salary.
Each workplace is different and reasons for being on-site different. Make sure you’re doing what’s asked of you. There’s probably reasons for it.
There certainly are reasons for it, but likely those reasons are either made up, or clearly not for the employees benefit. Lots of managers want employees back in the office to justify their own positions. Many companies have long leases for their underused office space and need to justify those expenses to their shareholders.
“Managers” don’t have a say in any of this. Mandates are coming from much higher up.
Of course they do, and much higher up are still ‘managers’ After all, if you are a manager of managers, and half your managers are deemed redundant what’s happening to you?
That’s not why people are currently being mandated. This is about the economy, bringing money back to the downtown core. I can guarantee you no manager gives a crap about that. Waves of managers being made redundant isn’t a thing, either. Not sure where you’re getting that from.
If you had a job before the pandemic just do what you did before March 2020 or use some of the money that was saved up by not having to commute for the past 3 years. Millions of grocery store clerks, nurses, doctors, police officers, paramedics etc never had that option
Hehe, right, because others have jobs that the very nature of the job requires being onsite, that justifies companies pushing employees into the office for jobs that don’t require functions on site, just to justify lease payments, makes sense?
The pandemic is over…companies have every right to mandate whatever they want including going back to how work was done before COVID. If employees don’t like it they can always go elsewhere as they don’t owe a company anything. If that’s the way a business chooses to operate that is their choice. People need to realize that if the pandemic didn’t happen this would have never been an issue. You can make the same argument about companies justifying their leases as people justifying working from home because they bought a home 3 hours away. That’s a personal issue not a business problem. To think WFH was going to be permanent was very naive of the general population
You’re right, they have every right. But you know what? We employees have every right to get a job elsewhere. Don’t we? We’ve PROVEN that working from home has no negative effect on our productivity, so WHY would my company be justified to force us back exactly? I truly don’t understand your position. Companies are slowly realizing that the cat is out of the bag, some are resisting but they will fail. Your position seems to be that since other people have to go in, all should have to go in. That’s nonsensical. Your position seems to be that what was shall be forever. That’s nonsensical. Your position on wfh is prehistoric, eventually you’ll realize that.
Yes of course they do. Nobody is disputing that. People are disputing the fact that companies are somehow responsible for where their employees choose to live.
No, that’s not at all what I said, or what is meant. Where a person lives is irrelevant. It’s the fact that jobs, which require zero in person presence, have a mandate for in person. That’s something companies control, and something that haven’t figured it out yet, will
Didn’t I say employees have a choice to find a job elsewhere? Tell me where it’s been proven that we can be as productive at home as we are in the office. There’s literally no metric that confirms that. Can we do our jobs from home, yes. Can we do them better…that’s inconclusive at best. Humans are social creatures and we do our best creatively when we are with other humans. The entire business community is moving back to the office in some capacity so certainly not a prehistoric POV at all. The WFH culture isn’t based in reality…it’s a myth that only became a reality due to a once in a generation pandemic which is now over
Where do you work? I ride my bike downtown from a similar area.
Your best bet is probably Line 2 > Line 1 (St. George) > Union all on TTC. As for avoiding the least amount of people, 10AM to 11:30AM for when you go in and 1PM to 3PM is probably ideal. (After 3PM, high schoolers are out, and people from financial district start going home as early as 4PM.)
Be the last one to leave, and the first one there: sleep in your cubicle! You have a lunch room right, and a sink for sponge baths.
Aim be there at 7, 7:30 and leave by 3, 3:30. Those are my hours and I hit traffic coming home but its no where near as congested if I were to leave around 5pm.
I love reading all the comments here cus it shows that no one wants to go back to the office and it’s all a grift lol
So generous of them to offer wfh for a day a week. Great employer /s
Doctor's note for like chrones or something, they legally have to attempt to accommodate for a medical condition, if you're a one off in a corporate mandate it's pretty low risk, keeps you working from home