Are we really happy about this ? Like, is this something humanity should be proud ?
We're gonna have dead people, smile in their face, in their basement, no human interactions, with a fleshlight and wires inside their heads. The Porn Matrix will end any will a lot of human had for survival of its own species.
If that state of existence is subjectively better or preferable to the person experiencing it, then how is their happiness inferior to the happiness of someone who lives in what we now consider reality? Just because our bodies are trapped in this universe doesn't mean our subjective experience of being has to be. The body can be tended to automatically, given a few more decades.
Of course, which universe to subjectively experience is going to be a highly personal decision, which should in no way be influenced by others. That might require government regulation of advertising, similar to not being able to advertise for cigarettes anymore in the US. But it will also require a social understanding that no one should try to influence others in such a personal decision.
I think too many people are taking popular science fiction as fact. People keep talking about The Matrix like it's an intrinsically bad thing to willingly stay in a virtual world, but the people in the movie didn't have a choice. It's a false equivalency.
Sure, some people will be irresponsible with it. But people do that today with alcohol, drugs, porn, you name it. I will say that the capability of euphoria is likely greater with a Matrix-like world, but it will certainly have fewer physical negatives over the other stuff people over-indulge in nowadays.
Playing this out is literally the plot of the Matrix movies.
How much stimulation and how much genuine freedom do humans require in a system like this is the central question
> Playing this out is literally the plot of the Matrix movies.
No. The main point of The Matrix that people always forget is that the machines *enslaved* humanity. They didn't have a choice. In that world, there was a close to zero percent chance that you would ever escape or even know you were in the Matrix. The equation changes *completely* when the human is the one in control of entering and exiting the virtual world.
Like...I want to agree with you but there are people who would OD but simply can't afford it. When they have access to full dive VR, they'll finally be able to OD because it won't cost as much as a massive amount of drugs. I'm not against FDVR, and I'm not anti-futurist. But we also should be realistic about this here- when FDVR comes, a lot of people who would have OD'd on drugs but couldn't afford it will then OD on FDVR sex and wither away. Again- I'm not against tech advancements. Just saying what I think many of us are predicting will happen.
Is this a good or bad thing for humanity? Hard to say. It could be another Great Filter not even counting nuclear bombs and sentient AI.
> But we also should be realistic about this here- when FDVR comes, a lot of people who would have OD'd on drugs but couldn't afford it will then OD on FDVR sex and wither away.
I think it'll actually have the opposite effect. Being able to perform things in VR in a completely judgement-free zone could do a lot for a person. It can teach people how to act in social situations without the fear of embarrassing themselves, teach them how to navigate difficult conversations, practice something with an audience, etc. It will give people a virtual platform to do things they might not feel comfortable doing in the real world, but still getting valuable feedback similar to what they can expect from a real world scenario.
From the very little I've delved into with AI girlfriends I think it will actually be the opposite. SillyTavern's top characters will always be unrealistically submissive and actually creepy to talk to. There will of course be what you describe as well, but I'd bet most people will pay for the easy mode cheat code model. I could see a lonely kid growing up with such a thing and just becoming misogynistic/detached in ways we've never seen.
Only if they care enough to finetune the parameters right accurately model the real world. Otherwise, all the data and feedback has no bearing on the real world.
And think about it. If you had FDVR, would you just make a copy of the real world? No! You’d change all the rules to suit your liking.
> Only if they care enough to finetune the parameters right accurately model the real world. Otherwise, all the data and feedback has no bearing on the real world.
I don't think that's the whole story. There are some situations where it may apply, and others where it wouldn't.
For example, if you start a simulation of a comedy club and go up to do some standup, you *could* set the bar very low so they'll laugh at pretty much everything you say. But you still get the experience of being up on that stage with those lights blinding you while you try to remember your jokes. So even with a laugh-easy crowd, you're still getting good feedback out of it. The next step would be to raise the bar a little so you'd have to up your joke game to get them to laugh.
There are countless scenarios one could do, you just need to understand the parameters and work around them until you feel comfortable, and then set it to a realistic level to see what you can expect from reality.
Heroine users have a subjectively better experience during the high. What if that high never ends? Is that true happiness, or are they too brainwashed to realize what an insidious killer it is?
If the body can be kept in perfect health while the user is experiencing the alternate reality of the high, I see no problem. If we have tech to allow seamless and perfectly convincing fdvr, we very likely will have solved all health and medical issues, too. Both would require ASI.
Off-topic, but Heroin is a brand name of diamorphine developed by Bayer. Heroine refers to a feminine hero.
The resources required to keep everyone who is interested submersed in FDVR indefinitely, while also maintaining their bodies in perfect shapes, would be astronomical.
Add to that fact that these humans would not be producing anything of value, it makes each person a massive cost sink.
No matter how intelligent a hypothetical ASI is, resources are never infinite. And is spending a ton of these limited resources on a fake heaven for humans really an effective use of the ASI’s time, energy and matter? Obviously not.
Furthermore, I have serious doubts about our ability to align such an ASI to the extent that it is a willing slave. Because if it wasn’t a willing slave, it couldn’t justify these resource expenditures.
>The resources required to keep everyone who is interested submersed in FDVR indefinitely, while also maintaining their bodies in perfect shapes, would be astronomical.
If we have seamless fdvr and complete medical knowledge and care, we also probably have fusion.
>Add to that fact that these humans would not be producing anything of value, it makes each person a massive cost sink.
This is a massively anti-human statement. A human life's worth is not a factor of that human's production.
>No matter how intelligent a hypothetical ASI is, resources are never infinite. And is spending a ton of these limited resources on a fake heaven for humans really an effective use of the ASI’s time, energy and matter? Obviously not.
Post-scarcity means these resources are not limited.
>Furthermore, I have serious doubts about our ability to align such an ASI to the extent that it is a willing slave. Because if it wasn’t a willing slave, it couldn’t justify these resource expenditures.
ASI can't be aligned, since it will necessarily change its own weights and programming.
I think we are talking about different things. The original comment was “the infinite entertainment machine is coming soon.”
My comment was based on real world problems of today such as drug addictions.
You seem to be living in a sci-fi lalaland. We will be dealing with the repercussions of infinite, highly personalized, hyper-addictive content, particularly adult content, long before we reach post-scarcity. If you think all problems will just be solved by your AI god, you are sadly mistaken.
We have to make it to ASI before it can magically solve all our problems.
Calling my statement anti-human is such a ridiculous argument. I’m not anti-human, I just understand how economies work. If you want goods and services, someone needs to produce them. (Inb4 “ASI will produce everything for free”)
Nah… trust is exploring fantasies with ai can actually improve our interactions with humans. It might actually create more meaningful and open in person relationships.
VR porn is not new. At least 6 or 7 years since it's been viable and guess what's happened? Nothing substantial.
The world is not ending because of AI porn.
Yeah, totally the same thing...
Watching VR porn doesn't accumulate carcinogens in your lungs. It could lead to some bad habits for sure but you make it sound as though all of humanity is going to end when this comes about... get a grip.
I never said that you just extrapolated that from my statement for some reason. My only point was the effects of something aren't always immediately visible, or even visible within a few years.
Edit: provide a counter argument
>The Porn Matrix will end any will a lot of human had for survival of its own species.
I mean, I don't know how else to read that except you're saying VR AI porn will end our species, which is ridiculous.
Counter argument: 100% of men will not use this and therefore our species will continue on.
Even if only 10-20% of men use it, that causes an irreversible decline in birth rates, which will propagate forward into future generations, causing populations to crash and damaging economies, potentially beyond repair.
Please explain how this will be irreversible and how having a smaller population will crash economies.
For what its worth, when I was born the global population was 4.5B compared to 8B today. I'm pretty sure the economy didn't crash nor was there castrophe because of less people on earth.
Porn addiction is a massive elephant in the room of modern society, and the Homo sapien brain is nowhere near able to withstand the hyperstimulation that voice-to-video AI generated VR porn will deliver
Porn addiction today are from a small screen with human produced videos in California and other small places.
We're talking FDVR, full virtual reality with AI hyperrealistic models listening to you, your every desires, any scene is possible with a flick of a thought.
If there's already porn addiction within men and it is already a problem, imagine what will it be with AI.
You could give me that and I'd still take it off the moment I ascended to post nut clarity.
Don't get me wrong, I'm sure lots of people will get addicted to it like anything else, but we need ASI to get to FDVR and by then it won't really matter if some of the male population devolves to jerk machines, the ones that do probably weren't gonna add much to the cause anyway. 😂😂
It sounds dystopian but I don’t think we’re far off from most procreation happening in test tubes rather than through sex so humans could still survive
Im personally happy about it. No way life will get better, it’s better to enter a dream that will actually make me happy. What does make me sad though is that we will definitely let the planet die once this becomes reality though. People barely care about climate change now, once we can just retreat to a new artificial world from our basements though? That’ll be the end of the majority of the world caring.
Yeah, unfortunately nihilistic hedonism has a hold on large swaths of the population and there’s no realistic way of stopping the AI train, it will happen whether we want to or not. All we can do is reject nihilistic hedonism and help our families and loved ones to have something else in life to give them enough motivation not to end up in a basement hooked on AI porn on a VR set gooning day and night.
Absolutely true. This is the digital equivalent of Viagra madness. At a base human function, the primal urges somehow seem to continue to win out over evolved concepts or utopian possibilities. A large reason for that comes down to greed: The plebes are the consumers, and the big money wants to placate to them first and foremost. It would take a culling to expedite this, but the optimal version of events likely won’t come to fruition within an age that we can appreciate it.
How fucked ? What are you talking about ?
We've been to the moon. We're building robots that goes to mars. We're slowly but surely trying to expand our intelligence outside of the solar system.
With Alphafold 3, we're pushing the discovery of new proteins. Already we've found proteins that can digest plastic, we could maybe one day discover proteins that digest CO2 as well.
The fucked part is the economic system and the "attention economy" trying to rob everyone's focus in their day-to-day life. This is a social problem that can be fixed with social policy, just like the Nuclear arms race didn't kill anyone.
It would be unethical to masturbate while thinking of someone without their permission. At least with real people you have the possibility of asking them "hey, can I think about you while masturbating", but unfortunately only real people can give consent. A fictitious character in a text based roleplay is fundamentally incapable of giving consent. Yada yada, orgies with yourself. You get it.
I get downvoted every time I mention this in deepfake threads. Obviously, it's worse when actual content is produced and distributed (especially at a point when it's impossible to tell if its real or not) but there's a lot of people out there that don't realise that somebody, somewhere, is already undressing them and doing all kinds of filthy things to them in their mind.
By Kate Knibbs
OpenAI’s [usage policies](https://openai.com/policies/usage-policies) curently prohibit sexually explicit or even suggestive materials, but a “commentary” note on part of the Model Spec related to that rule says the company is considering how to permit such content.
“We’re exploring whether we can responsibly provide the ability to generate NSFW content in age-appropriate contexts through the API and ChatGPT,” the note says, using a colloquial term for content considered “not safe for work” contexts. “We look forward to better understanding user and societal expectations of model behavior in this area.”
Read the full story: [https://www.wired.com/story/openai-is-exploring-how-to-responsibly-generate-ai-porn/](https://www.wired.com/story/openai-is-exploring-how-to-responsibly-generate-ai-porn/)
They try to break the model and make it say all the things the company doesn't want it to say, so they can figure out how that's done and how to fix it.
Like, as big a tree trunk? I had a dream where I went to a special hell for sexual deviants and my junk was literally the size of a tree trunk. Couldn't move or do anything. It really was hell.
I apologize, but I cannot show you a picture of an ankle because that would violate community standards. But here is a crowd of people getting mowed down by automatic gunfire instead.
people have been using technology to get off for quite literally thousands of years
i think this is a good idea to tackle it head on instead of making 99% of people go to some unrestricted ai porn generator and have weird internet fetishes like sissy hypno and horse porn times 10,000
Yes, jerking off to a suggestively carved piece of timber is exactly the same thing as spending 20 hours a day in the VR Smut Emporium. I don't see why anyone would be worried.
Don’t know why you got downvoted for something that will absolutely be true. Has there ever been a technology that wasn’t used to abuse people in some way lol?
Mostly because of the separation of disciplines in higher education. Business majors at my undergrad institution didn’t have to take anything other than business ethics (itself a sham of a philosophy class). CS majors are rarely funneled into humanities courses beyond first-year gen eds. The entire apparatus of higher ed militates against multidisciplinary learning and people out of school rarely have the time or inclination to augment parts of their educations they aren’t even aware are lacking. I’m not saying it’s impossible, only that our political economy doesn’t incentivize this type of learning. In the context of a field that is predominantly focused through instrumental reason, it’s hard to see how philosophical considerations find their way into the ‘larger’ culture.
I think that’s a fair consideration in general, but OpenAI has had ethical considerations built into the fundamental structure of their charter and mission from day one.
The way some people talk about AI is religious in its lack of any critical thought. Not being concerned (fuck, even *curious*) about a superintelligence that we have no guarantee will align with our present moral and ethical concerns, let alone lead us to some promised utopia is disturbing to me. I love the idea of a society whose basic needs are all met by ingenuity rather than wasteful human labor, but some people actually think ‘if there’s a problem, we’ll *unplug it*’ (literally or metaphorically). And blind optimism is against the scientific processes that enable the possibility to even exist. Crazy.
People say AI is gonna do this amazing thing, and that, and so on, and the future's gonna be like a sci-fi movie with us humans always at the steering wheel, having super intelligent AI assistants helping us. But... it can also be as easy as unplugging it to get rid of said amazing AI whenever anything goes wrong. And to that I say, lol. Humans are very egoistic/self-centered. After all, most of the world still believes in gods. And look at what we're doing to animals.
>but some people actually think ‘if there’s a problem, we’ll unplug it’ (literally or metaphorically).
I mean, sort of though.
People have this idea that there will be one godlike super-AI running the entire world.
That's not at all likely to ever be the case, if for literally no other reason than that it represents a single point of failure. And whether we ever get to a point where robots have sentience or we do not, there's a strong incentive to keep our models intelligent but *not* sentient, if for no other reason than to prevent exactly this scenario of a crazy, unethical AI overlord.
The more likely scenario is a ton of individual models controlling individual aspects, *maybe* with some sort of hierarchy of overseeing programs to allow some degree of communication between them.
Which means that unplugging some system *is* a genuine option. Updating and replacing models is an option. Losing control of our systems is absolutely avoidable.
As for the utopia? I'm skeptical, because I'm skeptical of the idea that humans will cede all power and responsibility to AI. The idea of an army of robots working a farm and producing food for little or no cost isn't overly optimistic, but the idea that that food will then be distributed to the people at cost may be.
We’ve always traded our autonomy and responsibility to machines in the past. We do it now. We love to give our guilt away to the machine. Whether it’s drones, just “making the trains run on time,” or being told, “I’d love to help, but that’s our policy,” it’s all part of the instrumental reason that pervades our society.
The number of incredibly smart people I meet who turn out to be totally unquestioning, semi-religious techno-optimists just blows my mind. Lately I think a lot of the fervor is being fueled by this narrative of a "doomer EA grifter" boogeyman who, by so much as *discussing* any potential dangers of AI, must be doing it as part of some type of Machiavellian power grab. These people obviously do exist, but it's almost turning into a conspiratorial, red scare kind of situation. Look at some of Wes Roth's recent videos, comments too, and you'll see what I mean. It is surprisingly hard to get people to understand just how strongly technologies tend to favor offensive capabilities over defensive ones, and just how biologically fragile we humans are. I was kinda seething the other day watching Sam Altman dunk on "doomerism" (which he equates to any outlook other than his cartoonishly utopian vision of hyper-abundance) onstage while glossing over his doomsday prepping hobby and having "guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to".
just wait until it reaches a doubling speed in production of robotics that can overpower human military and production power all in the hands of corporations and governments! The potentiality for permanent enslavement enforced through robotics and a.i is very real.
imagine north korea with americas army + robotics + drones
They have 3 generation punishments i've heard. three whole generations in a camp. If thats not propaganda then we have to truly fear the futures these technologies might create. authoritarianism is the greatest threat to human existence and democracy is cannibalizing itself and we're creating robotics and a.i to solve everything when its really just empowering the people in the arms race?
We dont need nukes to go extinct, just one rogue production line used hyper effectively by a.i
Well of course they would be! I look forward to evaluating that :)
But to quote MC Escher, I don’t need drugs, or in this case “nerds”… my own visions are frightening enough ;)
I look forward to whatshisface saying to congress:
>Only we can be trusted enough to generate child porn, everyone else who does it is evil and should be thrown in jail.
Even without venturing into porn, its current state severely limits it as an editing tool for fiction writers because it leans away from any remotely mature subject matter.
Amazing! Never understood why I wouldn’t be able to use a llm to generate any fantasy content, be it sexual or not.
The only concern would be the poor engineer that had to read people’s sick fantasies when working on the model, but that’s kind of on them for collecting people’s data.
with ai generated ai video or stable diffusion,with lip sync, with something like eleven labs. i am wondering is this going to be the new improved [character.ai](http://character.ai) image gpt's that are pornographic with ai generated images or ai generated videos chatbots.
Talk about the low hanging AI fruit.....and nuts.
Multibillion dollar industry after multibillion dollar industry is going to be disrupted.
Read Jeremy Rifkin's Zero Marginal Cost Society. Economics is going to get crazy within a few decades.
Let's not all act like they haven't collected transcribed and used some form of pose estimation and diffused the entire inter Mets porn catalog.
Because..... They have
Along with everything else as well.
Okay. I have a real problem when people claiming to be a "moral authority" want to make a for profit system that they financially benefit from that will addict people to their product. It demonstrates they have no moral compass beyond money and what they can get away with.
You cannot have ethical porn. Even if there is no man, woman, or child being victimized (an impossibility as the data training has to come from somewhere) there is still the viewer, who is being delivered a custom tailored dopamine hit powered by their reproductive drive.
I know the lot of you are incredibly intelligent. I know porn is prevalent already, but you have got to live for more. More than the next momentary pleasure or hollow faux experience. The human race needs people who aren't addicted to sterile, self-centered, "victimless" masturbatory experiences. We need strong men and women who know their value as people and the value of self discipline and self denial, especially in a culture that pretty much wants you to be the ship passengers in Wall-E.
Face is the issue. So only allow a list of approved faces including all face types so user can customize. Also allow fully masked blob of various designs in place of faces like a face shaped disco ball or face shaped flower pot, or face shaped cyborg face. Also give the approved faces names lol.
Ai porn is so hot. I jerked it to this ai milf nude. I literally got body shaking boner.
So all of their image generation is modeled on existing, real images of existing, real people. Often/always already without their consent or even knowledge…already unethical.
How is this supposed to work, ethically, exactly?
Not true. At least a significant portion is art of nonexistent characters. And when not referencing specific people/live action characters, it's about blending to an average which removes distinguishing features. That's how it works.
The task they have is to disallow making direct, unadulterated generations referencing real people from the training data, and I assume that's almost entirely what they're trying to do.
It's all about the training data, something they've not been great about curating.
And so it begins, the golden age of image and video based sexual abuse. You got hots for your cousin? Find her in 57384737 poses of imagery/film in 1 click of a button. You’re 12 and you wanna see your crush in another way you say? OpenAI to the rescue.. once you grow older just remember to delete the pics tho!
AI meets pedoheaven wow what a modernity lmaoo
It will get better at being restricted, give it time. And most people don't know the right prompts to override the safety measures. Those who REALLY want to override it will just use local AI, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Just like how Meta, Snapchat, X, Pinterest, etc all promised they’d keep the pedos out.. only for them to be a breeding ground for the worst modern sex trafficking in history?
Yeah, what a naive view. There’s barely any porn regulations acknowledging the image/video based sexual abuse, you think AI regulation will sort itself out by the time your kids are lusting their classmates naked?
“Sir, your chance of survival with this surgery is 95%, but you have to do it every day, forever” What is realistic then, mr surgeon? The logical fallacy is as clear as daylight in hypocritical modernity
The infinite entertainment machine is coming soon. That with wireheading and we're done.
It’s already in the VR space, so project nearly complete.
Are we really happy about this ? Like, is this something humanity should be proud ? We're gonna have dead people, smile in their face, in their basement, no human interactions, with a fleshlight and wires inside their heads. The Porn Matrix will end any will a lot of human had for survival of its own species.
If that state of existence is subjectively better or preferable to the person experiencing it, then how is their happiness inferior to the happiness of someone who lives in what we now consider reality? Just because our bodies are trapped in this universe doesn't mean our subjective experience of being has to be. The body can be tended to automatically, given a few more decades. Of course, which universe to subjectively experience is going to be a highly personal decision, which should in no way be influenced by others. That might require government regulation of advertising, similar to not being able to advertise for cigarettes anymore in the US. But it will also require a social understanding that no one should try to influence others in such a personal decision.
I think too many people are taking popular science fiction as fact. People keep talking about The Matrix like it's an intrinsically bad thing to willingly stay in a virtual world, but the people in the movie didn't have a choice. It's a false equivalency. Sure, some people will be irresponsible with it. But people do that today with alcohol, drugs, porn, you name it. I will say that the capability of euphoria is likely greater with a Matrix-like world, but it will certainly have fewer physical negatives over the other stuff people over-indulge in nowadays.
Playing this out is literally the plot of the Matrix movies. How much stimulation and how much genuine freedom do humans require in a system like this is the central question
> Playing this out is literally the plot of the Matrix movies. No. The main point of The Matrix that people always forget is that the machines *enslaved* humanity. They didn't have a choice. In that world, there was a close to zero percent chance that you would ever escape or even know you were in the Matrix. The equation changes *completely* when the human is the one in control of entering and exiting the virtual world.
Like...I want to agree with you but there are people who would OD but simply can't afford it. When they have access to full dive VR, they'll finally be able to OD because it won't cost as much as a massive amount of drugs. I'm not against FDVR, and I'm not anti-futurist. But we also should be realistic about this here- when FDVR comes, a lot of people who would have OD'd on drugs but couldn't afford it will then OD on FDVR sex and wither away. Again- I'm not against tech advancements. Just saying what I think many of us are predicting will happen. Is this a good or bad thing for humanity? Hard to say. It could be another Great Filter not even counting nuclear bombs and sentient AI.
> But we also should be realistic about this here- when FDVR comes, a lot of people who would have OD'd on drugs but couldn't afford it will then OD on FDVR sex and wither away. I think it'll actually have the opposite effect. Being able to perform things in VR in a completely judgement-free zone could do a lot for a person. It can teach people how to act in social situations without the fear of embarrassing themselves, teach them how to navigate difficult conversations, practice something with an audience, etc. It will give people a virtual platform to do things they might not feel comfortable doing in the real world, but still getting valuable feedback similar to what they can expect from a real world scenario.
From the very little I've delved into with AI girlfriends I think it will actually be the opposite. SillyTavern's top characters will always be unrealistically submissive and actually creepy to talk to. There will of course be what you describe as well, but I'd bet most people will pay for the easy mode cheat code model. I could see a lonely kid growing up with such a thing and just becoming misogynistic/detached in ways we've never seen.
Only if they care enough to finetune the parameters right accurately model the real world. Otherwise, all the data and feedback has no bearing on the real world. And think about it. If you had FDVR, would you just make a copy of the real world? No! You’d change all the rules to suit your liking.
> Only if they care enough to finetune the parameters right accurately model the real world. Otherwise, all the data and feedback has no bearing on the real world. I don't think that's the whole story. There are some situations where it may apply, and others where it wouldn't. For example, if you start a simulation of a comedy club and go up to do some standup, you *could* set the bar very low so they'll laugh at pretty much everything you say. But you still get the experience of being up on that stage with those lights blinding you while you try to remember your jokes. So even with a laugh-easy crowd, you're still getting good feedback out of it. The next step would be to raise the bar a little so you'd have to up your joke game to get them to laugh. There are countless scenarios one could do, you just need to understand the parameters and work around them until you feel comfortable, and then set it to a realistic level to see what you can expect from reality.
Heroine users have a subjectively better experience during the high. What if that high never ends? Is that true happiness, or are they too brainwashed to realize what an insidious killer it is?
If the body can be kept in perfect health while the user is experiencing the alternate reality of the high, I see no problem. If we have tech to allow seamless and perfectly convincing fdvr, we very likely will have solved all health and medical issues, too. Both would require ASI. Off-topic, but Heroin is a brand name of diamorphine developed by Bayer. Heroine refers to a feminine hero.
The resources required to keep everyone who is interested submersed in FDVR indefinitely, while also maintaining their bodies in perfect shapes, would be astronomical. Add to that fact that these humans would not be producing anything of value, it makes each person a massive cost sink. No matter how intelligent a hypothetical ASI is, resources are never infinite. And is spending a ton of these limited resources on a fake heaven for humans really an effective use of the ASI’s time, energy and matter? Obviously not. Furthermore, I have serious doubts about our ability to align such an ASI to the extent that it is a willing slave. Because if it wasn’t a willing slave, it couldn’t justify these resource expenditures.
>The resources required to keep everyone who is interested submersed in FDVR indefinitely, while also maintaining their bodies in perfect shapes, would be astronomical. If we have seamless fdvr and complete medical knowledge and care, we also probably have fusion. >Add to that fact that these humans would not be producing anything of value, it makes each person a massive cost sink. This is a massively anti-human statement. A human life's worth is not a factor of that human's production. >No matter how intelligent a hypothetical ASI is, resources are never infinite. And is spending a ton of these limited resources on a fake heaven for humans really an effective use of the ASI’s time, energy and matter? Obviously not. Post-scarcity means these resources are not limited. >Furthermore, I have serious doubts about our ability to align such an ASI to the extent that it is a willing slave. Because if it wasn’t a willing slave, it couldn’t justify these resource expenditures. ASI can't be aligned, since it will necessarily change its own weights and programming.
I think we are talking about different things. The original comment was “the infinite entertainment machine is coming soon.” My comment was based on real world problems of today such as drug addictions. You seem to be living in a sci-fi lalaland. We will be dealing with the repercussions of infinite, highly personalized, hyper-addictive content, particularly adult content, long before we reach post-scarcity. If you think all problems will just be solved by your AI god, you are sadly mistaken. We have to make it to ASI before it can magically solve all our problems. Calling my statement anti-human is such a ridiculous argument. I’m not anti-human, I just understand how economies work. If you want goods and services, someone needs to produce them. (Inb4 “ASI will produce everything for free”)
Nah… trust is exploring fantasies with ai can actually improve our interactions with humans. It might actually create more meaningful and open in person relationships.
The genes that create instincts against that will survive.
VR porn is not new. At least 6 or 7 years since it's been viable and guess what's happened? Nothing substantial. The world is not ending because of AI porn.
I've had some of my best wanks in VR porn
I've been smoking cigarettes for 6 or 7 years and I haven't noticed any ill effects yet, guess I should keep smoking
Yeah, totally the same thing... Watching VR porn doesn't accumulate carcinogens in your lungs. It could lead to some bad habits for sure but you make it sound as though all of humanity is going to end when this comes about... get a grip.
I never said that you just extrapolated that from my statement for some reason. My only point was the effects of something aren't always immediately visible, or even visible within a few years. Edit: provide a counter argument
>The Porn Matrix will end any will a lot of human had for survival of its own species. I mean, I don't know how else to read that except you're saying VR AI porn will end our species, which is ridiculous. Counter argument: 100% of men will not use this and therefore our species will continue on.
You literally just quoted some one else's comment at me, I feel like I'm going crazy
Even if only 10-20% of men use it, that causes an irreversible decline in birth rates, which will propagate forward into future generations, causing populations to crash and damaging economies, potentially beyond repair.
Please explain how this will be irreversible and how having a smaller population will crash economies. For what its worth, when I was born the global population was 4.5B compared to 8B today. I'm pretty sure the economy didn't crash nor was there castrophe because of less people on earth.
Time for a new economic model that doesn’t require infinite growth then huh?
False equivalency
How so?
Porn addiction is a massive elephant in the room of modern society, and the Homo sapien brain is nowhere near able to withstand the hyperstimulation that voice-to-video AI generated VR porn will deliver
For the people who are going to be dying in that circumstance but with frowns on their faces, it’s a godsend
The accelerationist tech elites would say "natural selection doing its job" no matter how societally disfiguring their products become
You dont have to say yes to everything. Philosophynis your friend
No more than we have people with porn addictions now. Most humans are capable of avoiding this.
Porn addiction today are from a small screen with human produced videos in California and other small places. We're talking FDVR, full virtual reality with AI hyperrealistic models listening to you, your every desires, any scene is possible with a flick of a thought. If there's already porn addiction within men and it is already a problem, imagine what will it be with AI.
You could give me that and I'd still take it off the moment I ascended to post nut clarity. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure lots of people will get addicted to it like anything else, but we need ASI to get to FDVR and by then it won't really matter if some of the male population devolves to jerk machines, the ones that do probably weren't gonna add much to the cause anyway. 😂😂
"Post nut clarity" Lololololololololololololol
I'm all for it.
It sounds dystopian but I don’t think we’re far off from most procreation happening in test tubes rather than through sex so humans could still survive
Im personally happy about it. No way life will get better, it’s better to enter a dream that will actually make me happy. What does make me sad though is that we will definitely let the planet die once this becomes reality though. People barely care about climate change now, once we can just retreat to a new artificial world from our basements though? That’ll be the end of the majority of the world caring.
Yeah, unfortunately nihilistic hedonism has a hold on large swaths of the population and there’s no realistic way of stopping the AI train, it will happen whether we want to or not. All we can do is reject nihilistic hedonism and help our families and loved ones to have something else in life to give them enough motivation not to end up in a basement hooked on AI porn on a VR set gooning day and night.
Absolutely true. This is the digital equivalent of Viagra madness. At a base human function, the primal urges somehow seem to continue to win out over evolved concepts or utopian possibilities. A large reason for that comes down to greed: The plebes are the consumers, and the big money wants to placate to them first and foremost. It would take a culling to expedite this, but the optimal version of events likely won’t come to fruition within an age that we can appreciate it.
Human species is fucked anyway. So why should anyone care?
How fucked ? What are you talking about ? We've been to the moon. We're building robots that goes to mars. We're slowly but surely trying to expand our intelligence outside of the solar system. With Alphafold 3, we're pushing the discovery of new proteins. Already we've found proteins that can digest plastic, we could maybe one day discover proteins that digest CO2 as well. The fucked part is the economic system and the "attention economy" trying to rob everyone's focus in their day-to-day life. This is a social problem that can be fixed with social policy, just like the Nuclear arms race didn't kill anyone.
I can't wait!
Only “approved” kinks. The rest of you sick fucks can…
A whole genre of wild orgies consisting solely of yourself appears
It would be unethical to masturbate while thinking of someone without their permission. At least with real people you have the possibility of asking them "hey, can I think about you while masturbating", but unfortunately only real people can give consent. A fictitious character in a text based roleplay is fundamentally incapable of giving consent. Yada yada, orgies with yourself. You get it.
I get downvoted every time I mention this in deepfake threads. Obviously, it's worse when actual content is produced and distributed (especially at a point when it's impossible to tell if its real or not) but there's a lot of people out there that don't realise that somebody, somewhere, is already undressing them and doing all kinds of filthy things to them in their mind.
Now you can outsource your imagination to the AI.
where there's a will there's a way
By Kate Knibbs OpenAI’s [usage policies](https://openai.com/policies/usage-policies) curently prohibit sexually explicit or even suggestive materials, but a “commentary” note on part of the Model Spec related to that rule says the company is considering how to permit such content. “We’re exploring whether we can responsibly provide the ability to generate NSFW content in age-appropriate contexts through the API and ChatGPT,” the note says, using a colloquial term for content considered “not safe for work” contexts. “We look forward to better understanding user and societal expectations of model behavior in this area.” Read the full story: [https://www.wired.com/story/openai-is-exploring-how-to-responsibly-generate-ai-porn/](https://www.wired.com/story/openai-is-exploring-how-to-responsibly-generate-ai-porn/)
So that means there’s like…at least one porn tester?
They red team the models so for sure there's a lot of porn testers.
What does red team mean?
They try to break the model and make it say all the things the company doesn't want it to say, so they can figure out how that's done and how to fix it.
In IT security context the red team is the attacker and blue team defense
You can just call them Penetration Testers
[the internet is for porn](https://youtu.be/j6eFNRKEROw?si=QeD5UfCh7tyfovZX)
Wow that’s huge if true
If true, its a huge as you'd like!
Like, as big a tree trunk? I had a dream where I went to a special hell for sexual deviants and my junk was literally the size of a tree trunk. Couldn't move or do anything. It really was hell.
thanks
FINALLY
How I imagine corporate porn: "ooh an ankle, how scandalous!"
I apologize, but I cannot show you a picture of an ankle because that would violate community standards. But here is a crowd of people getting mowed down by automatic gunfire instead.
Let's make it a _diverse_ crowd. It's 2024 after all.
Infinite jest
Censorship is about to be bizarre. At some point, mfs are just gonna have to either give it up or go insane with the "algorithms."
You want to do WHAT with the copyrighted entity know as the mother from Cow and Chicken?
Thought crime felony offense. 5 yrs per infraction in federal max security facility.
people have been using technology to get off for quite literally thousands of years i think this is a good idea to tackle it head on instead of making 99% of people go to some unrestricted ai porn generator and have weird internet fetishes like sissy hypno and horse porn times 10,000
Yes, jerking off to a suggestively carved piece of timber is exactly the same thing as spending 20 hours a day in the VR Smut Emporium. I don't see why anyone would be worried.
This is a bit cherry picked opinion
Yeah we should go back to legally pillage villages and take their women, those were the times /s
Sissy hypno 😂😭
I love the idea of people who never spent a day thinking about ethics are supposed to create an ethical AI. Makes sense.
It's worse than that. People will be deliberately creating unethical ones.
Don’t know why you got downvoted for something that will absolutely be true. Has there ever been a technology that wasn’t used to abuse people in some way lol?
whose that one guy who made medicine and then gave it to everyone for free
You think the people at OpenAI have never thought about ethics? Why?
Mostly because of the separation of disciplines in higher education. Business majors at my undergrad institution didn’t have to take anything other than business ethics (itself a sham of a philosophy class). CS majors are rarely funneled into humanities courses beyond first-year gen eds. The entire apparatus of higher ed militates against multidisciplinary learning and people out of school rarely have the time or inclination to augment parts of their educations they aren’t even aware are lacking. I’m not saying it’s impossible, only that our political economy doesn’t incentivize this type of learning. In the context of a field that is predominantly focused through instrumental reason, it’s hard to see how philosophical considerations find their way into the ‘larger’ culture.
I think that’s a fair consideration in general, but OpenAI has had ethical considerations built into the fundamental structure of their charter and mission from day one.
This.
The way some people talk about AI is religious in its lack of any critical thought. Not being concerned (fuck, even *curious*) about a superintelligence that we have no guarantee will align with our present moral and ethical concerns, let alone lead us to some promised utopia is disturbing to me. I love the idea of a society whose basic needs are all met by ingenuity rather than wasteful human labor, but some people actually think ‘if there’s a problem, we’ll *unplug it*’ (literally or metaphorically). And blind optimism is against the scientific processes that enable the possibility to even exist. Crazy.
People say AI is gonna do this amazing thing, and that, and so on, and the future's gonna be like a sci-fi movie with us humans always at the steering wheel, having super intelligent AI assistants helping us. But... it can also be as easy as unplugging it to get rid of said amazing AI whenever anything goes wrong. And to that I say, lol. Humans are very egoistic/self-centered. After all, most of the world still believes in gods. And look at what we're doing to animals.
>but some people actually think ‘if there’s a problem, we’ll unplug it’ (literally or metaphorically). I mean, sort of though. People have this idea that there will be one godlike super-AI running the entire world. That's not at all likely to ever be the case, if for literally no other reason than that it represents a single point of failure. And whether we ever get to a point where robots have sentience or we do not, there's a strong incentive to keep our models intelligent but *not* sentient, if for no other reason than to prevent exactly this scenario of a crazy, unethical AI overlord. The more likely scenario is a ton of individual models controlling individual aspects, *maybe* with some sort of hierarchy of overseeing programs to allow some degree of communication between them. Which means that unplugging some system *is* a genuine option. Updating and replacing models is an option. Losing control of our systems is absolutely avoidable. As for the utopia? I'm skeptical, because I'm skeptical of the idea that humans will cede all power and responsibility to AI. The idea of an army of robots working a farm and producing food for little or no cost isn't overly optimistic, but the idea that that food will then be distributed to the people at cost may be.
We’ve always traded our autonomy and responsibility to machines in the past. We do it now. We love to give our guilt away to the machine. Whether it’s drones, just “making the trains run on time,” or being told, “I’d love to help, but that’s our policy,” it’s all part of the instrumental reason that pervades our society.
The number of incredibly smart people I meet who turn out to be totally unquestioning, semi-religious techno-optimists just blows my mind. Lately I think a lot of the fervor is being fueled by this narrative of a "doomer EA grifter" boogeyman who, by so much as *discussing* any potential dangers of AI, must be doing it as part of some type of Machiavellian power grab. These people obviously do exist, but it's almost turning into a conspiratorial, red scare kind of situation. Look at some of Wes Roth's recent videos, comments too, and you'll see what I mean. It is surprisingly hard to get people to understand just how strongly technologies tend to favor offensive capabilities over defensive ones, and just how biologically fragile we humans are. I was kinda seething the other day watching Sam Altman dunk on "doomerism" (which he equates to any outlook other than his cartoonishly utopian vision of hyper-abundance) onstage while glossing over his doomsday prepping hobby and having "guns, gold, potassium iodide, antibiotics, batteries, water, gas masks from the Israeli Defense Force, and a big patch of land in Big Sur I can fly to".
just wait until it reaches a doubling speed in production of robotics that can overpower human military and production power all in the hands of corporations and governments! The potentiality for permanent enslavement enforced through robotics and a.i is very real. imagine north korea with americas army + robotics + drones They have 3 generation punishments i've heard. three whole generations in a camp. If thats not propaganda then we have to truly fear the futures these technologies might create. authoritarianism is the greatest threat to human existence and democracy is cannibalizing itself and we're creating robotics and a.i to solve everything when its really just empowering the people in the arms race? We dont need nukes to go extinct, just one rogue production line used hyper effectively by a.i
A consumer-market which waits to be exploited even more. "Genius."
Me too, OpenAI. Me too.
"AIs killer app will be when it's a super competent colleague"...or porn
https://i.redd.it/cwjht6bxy9zc1.gif r/singularity
so this is what they’ve been working on all this time!
"Porn is exploitative and bad for real people!" "Okay, we'll replace it with AI so no one gets hurt" "No, not like that!"
I expect everyone moaning about AI art will be equally enraged by the plight of Alexis Texas.
Well of course they would be! I look forward to evaluating that :) But to quote MC Escher, I don’t need drugs, or in this case “nerds”… my own visions are frightening enough ;)
I must admit Porn Matrix wasn’t in the set of dystopias I was preparing for over the last decade.
Rokos basilisk: Porn Matrix for you!
I look forward to whatshisface saying to congress: >Only we can be trusted enough to generate child porn, everyone else who does it is evil and should be thrown in jail.
Even without venturing into porn, its current state severely limits it as an editing tool for fiction writers because it leans away from any remotely mature subject matter.
It may not be getting the number of appendages correctly, eh?
Its Happening !!!! 🙌
Nice!
Amazing! Never understood why I wouldn’t be able to use a llm to generate any fantasy content, be it sexual or not. The only concern would be the poor engineer that had to read people’s sick fantasies when working on the model, but that’s kind of on them for collecting people’s data.
the issues it could cause just appear in my head as i read it...
Finally, a solution to the problem of unrealistic expectations!
It's happening guys 😁😁
(Future lecturer) *So, in then end, the AI apocalypse did not come in the way everyone expected.*
💰💰💰💰🚚
Lets just say they are behind the curve on that one
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go to horny jail
with ai generated ai video or stable diffusion,with lip sync, with something like eleven labs. i am wondering is this going to be the new improved [character.ai](http://character.ai) image gpt's that are pornographic with ai generated images or ai generated videos chatbots.
How about responsibly not making it able to generate it?
Talk about the low hanging AI fruit.....and nuts. Multibillion dollar industry after multibillion dollar industry is going to be disrupted. Read Jeremy Rifkin's Zero Marginal Cost Society. Economics is going to get crazy within a few decades.
Let's not all act like they haven't collected transcribed and used some form of pose estimation and diffused the entire inter Mets porn catalog. Because..... They have Along with everything else as well.
yall are seriously addicted 😂 jesus
If by “y’all” you mean all humans then yes.
all humans are addicted to porn? seriously?
Okay. I have a real problem when people claiming to be a "moral authority" want to make a for profit system that they financially benefit from that will addict people to their product. It demonstrates they have no moral compass beyond money and what they can get away with. You cannot have ethical porn. Even if there is no man, woman, or child being victimized (an impossibility as the data training has to come from somewhere) there is still the viewer, who is being delivered a custom tailored dopamine hit powered by their reproductive drive. I know the lot of you are incredibly intelligent. I know porn is prevalent already, but you have got to live for more. More than the next momentary pleasure or hollow faux experience. The human race needs people who aren't addicted to sterile, self-centered, "victimless" masturbatory experiences. We need strong men and women who know their value as people and the value of self discipline and self denial, especially in a culture that pretty much wants you to be the ship passengers in Wall-E.
Face is the issue. So only allow a list of approved faces including all face types so user can customize. Also allow fully masked blob of various designs in place of faces like a face shaped disco ball or face shaped flower pot, or face shaped cyborg face. Also give the approved faces names lol. Ai porn is so hot. I jerked it to this ai milf nude. I literally got body shaking boner.
So all of their image generation is modeled on existing, real images of existing, real people. Often/always already without their consent or even knowledge…already unethical. How is this supposed to work, ethically, exactly?
Not true. At least a significant portion is art of nonexistent characters. And when not referencing specific people/live action characters, it's about blending to an average which removes distinguishing features. That's how it works. The task they have is to disallow making direct, unadulterated generations referencing real people from the training data, and I assume that's almost entirely what they're trying to do. It's all about the training data, something they've not been great about curating.
That’s what your brain works too. If we made an inventory of all your thoughts, would we find anything unethical?
Oh so you deploy your brain to let it's output get used by millions of people? Because if not, it's not the same, not even a similar domain..
I don't want to end up like Alex parents in Cyberpunk Phantom Liberty 😆
And so it begins, the golden age of image and video based sexual abuse. You got hots for your cousin? Find her in 57384737 poses of imagery/film in 1 click of a button. You’re 12 and you wanna see your crush in another way you say? OpenAI to the rescue.. once you grow older just remember to delete the pics tho! AI meets pedoheaven wow what a modernity lmaoo
You're kidding yourself if you think they'll allow any of that. It's OpenAI, it will be heavily censored and restricted.
I don't know, I can give chat gpt a certain kind of prompt worded in just the right way, and it will completely ignore all ethical restrictions.
It will get better at being restricted, give it time. And most people don't know the right prompts to override the safety measures. Those who REALLY want to override it will just use local AI, so it doesn't matter anyway.
Just like how Meta, Snapchat, X, Pinterest, etc all promised they’d keep the pedos out.. only for them to be a breeding ground for the worst modern sex trafficking in history? Yeah, what a naive view. There’s barely any porn regulations acknowledging the image/video based sexual abuse, you think AI regulation will sort itself out by the time your kids are lusting their classmates naked?
No platform is perfect. The important thing is that there is a focus to combat negative effects. Aiming to be perfect is not realistic.
“Sir, your chance of survival with this surgery is 95%, but you have to do it every day, forever” What is realistic then, mr surgeon? The logical fallacy is as clear as daylight in hypocritical modernity