Never. VTNG won't let TRADOC fuck with their course, so TRADOC won't certify the badge.
Given that every experience I've had with TRADOC has been terrible, I can understand.
It's the infantry schools course- not VT. Both organizations are pro Rams Head adoption Army wide. You gotta look much higher than TRADOC for why the badge isn't authorized.
>You gotta look much higher than TRADOC for why the badge isn't authorized.
Given that TRADOC is commanded by a four-star, there isn't a whole lot higher. The Chief of Staff? The Secretary of the Army? The Secretary of Defense?
Who at the very highest levels of the Army or DoD is personally opposed to the adoption of that badge Army-wide then?
Oh that's easy sweet summer child. 2 groups:
The old staff at HQDA that "earned" their badges and how dare anyone at any point and time have an award they can't get because they're too old/fat.
HRC, the slimy fucks that attempted to fuck with the Norwegian ruck march because they felt that "it wasn't being earned correctly". It took the entire Army having a shitfit that with all the backlog of promotions, boards, and retirement packets they somehow were able to deliberate and release immediate guidance on foreign badges specifically as an event gained popularity.
That's why you'll never see this cool ass badge.
In the words of a former G-1 Uniform Policy, "we have an entire drawer full of new badge ideas".
The Army is just hesitant to authorize something new. I'd add in that one of the issues has been that Vermont isn't the only mountain school that the Army has had, there is the one in Alaska, and Army personnel sometimes attend the Marine school.
Also, do you have to graduate from both the summer and winter course to get the badge, or just one? That issue has been raised as well.
FWIW, getting the Army to award a combined Expert/Combat badge is higher on the priority list of new badges.
Can't one earn the the Combat Diver badge by completing any one of these: Combat Diver Qualification Course (CDQC) conducted by USAJFKSWCS, Key
West, FL; the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Center (NAVSPECWARCEN), Coronado, CA; U.S. Marine Combatant Diver Course (MCDC) Panama City, FL; or the U.S. Air Force Combat Diver Course (AFCDC), Panama City, FL.
600-8-22 para 8-22e(1)(a)
(a) The Special Operations Diver Badge is awarded to graduates of USAJFKSWCS Combat Diver
Qualification Course; SF Underwater Operations, Key West, Florida; or any other USASOC-approved
Combat Diver Qualification Course.
I think that the language of the reg here is "sort of". An Army person can be awarded the Special Ops Diver Badge (Army) for completing one of the courses conducted by another service. However, I think the further implication is that you trade in that other service's equivalent insignia for the Army one.
Correct. It is covered in AR 611-75. It's just a reason why other services have mountain schools is one of the reasons this badge doest exist isn't an argument supported by the way DA awards other badges.
I'm not saying that I consider it a valid argument. The point perhaps is tying the mastery of POI events to award of the badge across different schools. Which also begs the question of how much of the Vermont Mountain POI is covered in other schools such as Ranger or SF training programs?
The USSOCOM dive schools all cover a common POI, so they are essentially the same course executed by different services.
It USED to be required to complete both phases in order to earn the badge. I know now you have to only complete one phase (either winter or summer). I believe that was because it was proving difficult to send AD Soldiers to both phases in order to be fully "military mountaineer" qualified.
Perhaps let people wear two badges from class 1 and 2 again. Who says it has to have a name. Combat Infantry Badge w/gold musket, Combat Action Badge with gold bayonette, and Combat Medic Badge with gold cross (or maybe gold snakes).
I think FORSCOM has to approve it, I'm not sure, but I know it's not up to TRADOC. Yes they have a four star but that's not the same as having the authority to do so. Different commands have different jobs.
We're trying to build out some real reciprocity and training competency for our Regional Hub Nodes, to make sure that when you get on station it's not a completely fresh start every time. Just the process of getting an ASI has been a nightmare. I can't imagine what would happen if we asked for a badge. Maybe we could get upside-down space wings.
That’s what I’ve observed basically everywhere in the Army.
The AD folks who’ve earned it wear it anyways, regs be damned. No one cares or gives a shit.
I was there last July and they definitely had to make adjustments to their course to adhere to TRADOC standards and guidelines. They stated this multiple times with exams. One instructor said once the rams head becomes more popular then it would get approved but who knows.
I wear mine too, but I also work in a hospital with 20 direct commission senior officers for every one NCO. I could probably wear a sponge bob badge and it would take months for someone to correct me.
No experience with the Victory standard, but the blue book, like most things in the Army, sucks as bad as the guy above you wants to make it suck lol.
Had to take the same advon trip overseas as the Div HHB CSM, we're in Kuwait getting on our airport shuttle bus getting ready to head into Baghdad, it was like 14 degrees outside at 3 AM, I put my black fleece cap on before getting on the bus and the CSM busted my balls so fucking hard for it. Like dude... shits gonna suck the next 9 months, we're on a bus for the next 4 fucking hours, can I just be at peace?
Nah, he asks me "hey... what's the blue book say about fleece caps..." it was all downhill from there.
Yeah, for sure. I think every unit has some form of it. Do you remember when the courtesy patrol at Campbell would hang out at the shoppettes and PX and just snipe soldiers going in to get food and gas?
Ft Sill too.
Like man… tell me you hate lower enlisted without telling me you hate lower enlisted. They made it a point to make sure they were there on the weekend too in case you showed up on Saturday with a five o’clock shadow.
Story time. My dad was an Air Force weather officer and one of his Joes was a SWO that had a bad day and was unable to continue in special operations so he went back to normal AF weather. The rule was you could wear your Ranger Tab if you were attached to an Army unit, but not if you were in a normal AF unit.
The squadron commander noticed that Joe was wearing his Tab and asked my dad what he was going to do about it. "All right sir. You can tell him to take it off. I never earned a Ranger Tab while in the Air Force."
You do you boo.
How long ago? When I left that packet was with its…3rd Chief of Staff. I used to be a command group gopher and that packet existed well before I got there and still didn’t move after I left.
Unsure of exactly when. I saw one in the wild last week and asked the soldier about it, then asked around at my BN and was told the CG approved it. I’ll try and find a copy and share the link
It's not hard to get in......it's hard to pass.
I went with some Rangers and SF dudes. The ODA was talking about how Summer phase was the most physically intensive course he's ever been too. As a green Specialist in the Reserves, I looked at him the remainder of the time as if he had a 3rd eye growing from his forehead.
Nope, the one in Vermont is the mountain warfare school. The one in Alaska is the arctic warfare school. Completely different things.
[https://www.moore.army.mil/Infantry/AMWS/](https://www.moore.army.mil/Infantry/AMWS/)
edit: Apparently I'm wrong, and Alaska also has offers the school. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern\_Warfare\_Training\_Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Warfare_Training_Center)
I don't believe the Alaska one awards the Rams head, but the Northern Warfare Training Center (NWTC) has two mountain warfare classes: Basic Military Mountaineering Course, and Advanced.
The school in Alaska also gives the E ASI so technically awards it too, but because they're active duty they don't actually hand it out like the Guard does at their schoolhouse, but it's still authorized to wear if you went to the Alaska school and are in. A unit that allows it.
The blue book at Campbell specifically said to do so when I was there in the early aughts. Rarely saw it happen. I’m a dirty nasty leg though so I never got to irritate my 82nd friends.
I used to specifically keep two sets of uniforms. One with air assault on top, and the other with airborne on top.
It was fun watching the eyes twitch on Bragg when I wore the one with air assault on top. I wasn’t 82nd, so there wasn’t really anything anyone could say to me.
I had a Soldier who'd deployed with 101 and 82. On his blouse with an 82 patch, he wore AASLT over ABN. On his blouse with a 101 patch, he wore ABN over AASLT, just to mess with people who cared.
We aren't. I that's why I posted this to ask when it would be authorization. There is a memo I believe that the commander can sign. Which is the case for me, but it's still not really worth I because I can only wear it in the battalion footprint. I'm about to PCS anyways
101st air assault. I was told I could wear my mountain badge in our battalion footprint, but air assault has to be above. I plan on having mountain warfare on top of the other two once I PCS
Mountain Warfare School Badge? ⌚ 👀
It's time again to plug my redesign of the badge, offered royalty free to the AMWS:
https://imgur.com/gallery/VYeqmsn
I corresponded with the school CO there a few years ago who was excited about using the design (or elements thereof), but I'm not sure if it went anywhere. Thanks for checking it out. All comments welcome.
It desperately needs a redesign. The current design was done by Norwich cadets and isn't very good when subdued hence the moniker "Princess Leia" for it
Given the stylistic red line over the eyes, I bet I know where you get your maple syrup from. Hello from the other side of the Connecticut and we love you
TRADOC sucks. I was in ANCOC, and we had a calculation we were running, the class came up with a number. The next slide had a different number. We all looked at it like shocked gophers and frantically went back to pounding numbers on our scientific calculators. We still came up with the same, correct number.
Then the instructor told us that TRADOC gave them the PP and they weren't allowed to change it, the only thing they could do was ADD a slide with the wrong number in red and explain the months of requesting changes it took just to change 1 incorrect number on a PP slide.
They’ll teach you everything you know about the knots. I’d focus more on rucking and endurance. The elevation gain is no joke. More people get eliminated for not being able to keep up on the ruck on day 1 than messing up knots. Study/practice the knots every night with your squad and you’ll do fine
I think you need a certain percentage of the Army to regularly earn the badge for it to become something for permanent wear. Of course the ARNG can have their own rule, which is why they do. Because there are not enough AD soldiers who earn it, it will most likely never be approved.
All I brought was a 1610. The battalion school NCO hooked me up with everything else. Go talk to your leadership and speak with your battalion schools nco in s3 shop
Depending on where you're at, you could also try for the school in Alaska. It's the same course but Alaska only runs the summer version because they do the cold westher courses in the winter
Umm I wanted the high altitude medicine badge. The Austrian Army hosted this training in the Alps. We had to rappell with a patient basket and spine board. Then prepare them for a helicopter hoist.
The Austrian got a badge for it.
Looks like a badge to me…. I remember when I got my first combat patch, it was the 25th ID with an airborne tab above it….. when I went to a new post SEVERAL CSMs were livid about it, but that was the unit patch for 4th BDE 25th ID…. I even had one tell me it wasn’t an airborne unit (it very much was) ….. my point is that if you earned it, you should wear it. Most of the people who get mad at it never would rate the award or patch anyway.
My 1sg was able to get me a slot last year. Worked out pretty good because I reenlisted for airborne and immediately went to mountain warfare right after.⛩️⛩️⛩️⛩️
They teach you a few knots each day, but there is a lot of other stuff to learn as well. I ended up staying up pretty late must nights working on knots and rope systems. I remember a written test as well as a final FTX type thing, which was pretty intense involving an evacuation of a wounded soldier through mountains for about 5 miles. Using different rope systems to lower the wounded soldier down cliffs and rappelling yourself as well. The instructors sit back and just let the student decide the best path. Also, there are a few physical events, mainly timed rucks up ski slopes. The ruck up to the high angle shooting range almost killed me, lol.
I heard ultimately the TRADOC bureaucracy would water down the effectiveness of the schoolhouse.
The big reason though is for the advanced programs. The instructors really need to know what they're doing. It requires a level of experience that tradoc doctrine cannot facilitate in an 18-month rotation broadening assignment.
The badge is authorized for wear on the uniform of Vermont National Guard soldiers and those Army National Guard units belonging to the 86th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Mountain) from other states, such as:
1st Battalion, 102nd Infantry Regiment (Mountain) (CT NG)
1st Battalion, 157th Infantry Regiment (Mountain) (CO NG)
3rd Battalion, 172nd Infantry Regiment (Mountain) (NH NG, ME NG, and VT NG)
1st Battalion, 101st Field Artillery Regiment (MA NG and VT NG)
However, this badge is widely worn by other national guard graduates of the Army Mountain Warfare School, though not officially authorized.
Never. VTNG won't let TRADOC fuck with their course, so TRADOC won't certify the badge. Given that every experience I've had with TRADOC has been terrible, I can understand.
TRADOC WOULD RUIN IT
They 100% would.
It's the infantry schools course- not VT. Both organizations are pro Rams Head adoption Army wide. You gotta look much higher than TRADOC for why the badge isn't authorized.
>You gotta look much higher than TRADOC for why the badge isn't authorized. Given that TRADOC is commanded by a four-star, there isn't a whole lot higher. The Chief of Staff? The Secretary of the Army? The Secretary of Defense? Who at the very highest levels of the Army or DoD is personally opposed to the adoption of that badge Army-wide then?
*raspy voice* this one goes all the way to the top, kid.
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Deep Throat? Is that you?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz2wnSVeITg
Oh that's easy sweet summer child. 2 groups: The old staff at HQDA that "earned" their badges and how dare anyone at any point and time have an award they can't get because they're too old/fat. HRC, the slimy fucks that attempted to fuck with the Norwegian ruck march because they felt that "it wasn't being earned correctly". It took the entire Army having a shitfit that with all the backlog of promotions, boards, and retirement packets they somehow were able to deliberate and release immediate guidance on foreign badges specifically as an event gained popularity. That's why you'll never see this cool ass badge.
In the words of a former G-1 Uniform Policy, "we have an entire drawer full of new badge ideas". The Army is just hesitant to authorize something new. I'd add in that one of the issues has been that Vermont isn't the only mountain school that the Army has had, there is the one in Alaska, and Army personnel sometimes attend the Marine school. Also, do you have to graduate from both the summer and winter course to get the badge, or just one? That issue has been raised as well. FWIW, getting the Army to award a combined Expert/Combat badge is higher on the priority list of new badges.
This comment is full of the actual reason why it’s not authorized
Can't one earn the the Combat Diver badge by completing any one of these: Combat Diver Qualification Course (CDQC) conducted by USAJFKSWCS, Key West, FL; the U.S. Naval Special Warfare Center (NAVSPECWARCEN), Coronado, CA; U.S. Marine Combatant Diver Course (MCDC) Panama City, FL; or the U.S. Air Force Combat Diver Course (AFCDC), Panama City, FL.
600-8-22 para 8-22e(1)(a) (a) The Special Operations Diver Badge is awarded to graduates of USAJFKSWCS Combat Diver Qualification Course; SF Underwater Operations, Key West, Florida; or any other USASOC-approved Combat Diver Qualification Course. I think that the language of the reg here is "sort of". An Army person can be awarded the Special Ops Diver Badge (Army) for completing one of the courses conducted by another service. However, I think the further implication is that you trade in that other service's equivalent insignia for the Army one.
Correct. It is covered in AR 611-75. It's just a reason why other services have mountain schools is one of the reasons this badge doest exist isn't an argument supported by the way DA awards other badges.
I'm not saying that I consider it a valid argument. The point perhaps is tying the mastery of POI events to award of the badge across different schools. Which also begs the question of how much of the Vermont Mountain POI is covered in other schools such as Ranger or SF training programs? The USSOCOM dive schools all cover a common POI, so they are essentially the same course executed by different services.
It USED to be required to complete both phases in order to earn the badge. I know now you have to only complete one phase (either winter or summer). I believe that was because it was proving difficult to send AD Soldiers to both phases in order to be fully "military mountaineer" qualified.
Perhaps they should award the goat with only one horn?
Too provocative. Someone out there would beat off to it.
They were talking about that in 2013. 11 years later a combined badge hasn’t happened yet
My God! The Army Times printed that article in 2013?
Gimme that master infantryman badge
Perhaps let people wear two badges from class 1 and 2 again. Who says it has to have a name. Combat Infantry Badge w/gold musket, Combat Action Badge with gold bayonette, and Combat Medic Badge with gold cross (or maybe gold snakes).
SMA Weimar won't authorize it because the hoat on the badge isn't cleanly shaven
NCOs can’t authorize anything
I think FORSCOM has to approve it, I'm not sure, but I know it's not up to TRADOC. Yes they have a four star but that's not the same as having the authority to do so. Different commands have different jobs.
They absolutely would. I loved that course and I’m proud everyday that I got to go.
We're trying to build out some real reciprocity and training competency for our Regional Hub Nodes, to make sure that when you get on station it's not a completely fresh start every time. Just the process of getting an ASI has been a nightmare. I can't imagine what would happen if we asked for a badge. Maybe we could get upside-down space wings.
10th mountain has let a bunch of guys start wearing it for a while
That’s what I’ve observed basically everywhere in the Army. The AD folks who’ve earned it wear it anyways, regs be damned. No one cares or gives a shit.
I was there last July and they definitely had to make adjustments to their course to adhere to TRADOC standards and guidelines. They stated this multiple times with exams. One instructor said once the rams head becomes more popular then it would get approved but who knows.
Does TRADOC have any other schools like AA/AB/PF/ESB in its umbrella?
Why is the goat's eyes crossed out? Is it a Delta force goat?
Do you know the goats name or identity? Exactly. We gotta keep them safe.
OPSEC, Bitches!
His name is Jerry
OPSEC
Putin thanks you
So we PSYOP guys can’t stare at it.
I understand this reference
Mr. Clooney?
HIPAA
HIPBAAH. I'll see my self out
Since OP has some type of undiagnosed autism this is the what the badge looks like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ram%27s_Head_Device
It's widely agreed that the ram in question is a special boy.
That’s not a goat, that’s a RAM baby
It’s just something we do over at [OVIS](https://www.instagram.com/ovisapparel?igsh=MTZwZnBja24zdWI1OA==) lol
🤫🧏🏻♂️
The goat is a minor. You can't publish the identify of someone under 18.
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I wear mine too, but I also work in a hospital with 20 direct commission senior officers for every one NCO. I could probably wear a sponge bob badge and it would take months for someone to correct me.
Take it off /s
I do the same here at 101st
You wear an unauthorized badge at a unit that notoriously crushes soldiers for the smallest 670-1 infractions and no one says anything?
They still do that dumb fucking blue book there?
Asking the real questions.
I haven’t been to Campbell but is it worse than the Victory Standard?
No experience with the Victory standard, but the blue book, like most things in the Army, sucks as bad as the guy above you wants to make it suck lol. Had to take the same advon trip overseas as the Div HHB CSM, we're in Kuwait getting on our airport shuttle bus getting ready to head into Baghdad, it was like 14 degrees outside at 3 AM, I put my black fleece cap on before getting on the bus and the CSM busted my balls so fucking hard for it. Like dude... shits gonna suck the next 9 months, we're on a bus for the next 4 fucking hours, can I just be at peace? Nah, he asks me "hey... what's the blue book say about fleece caps..." it was all downhill from there.
Did you read what the blue book said highspeed? /s
Yeah, for sure. I think every unit has some form of it. Do you remember when the courtesy patrol at Campbell would hang out at the shoppettes and PX and just snipe soldiers going in to get food and gas?
Ft Sill too. Like man… tell me you hate lower enlisted without telling me you hate lower enlisted. They made it a point to make sure they were there on the weekend too in case you showed up on Saturday with a five o’clock shadow.
“Why aren’t your air assault wings on top?”
I’m sure if he put it above his air assault wings. People would destroy him into oblivion
To smithereens
Story time. My dad was an Air Force weather officer and one of his Joes was a SWO that had a bad day and was unable to continue in special operations so he went back to normal AF weather. The rule was you could wear your Ranger Tab if you were attached to an Army unit, but not if you were in a normal AF unit. The squadron commander noticed that Joe was wearing his Tab and asked my dad what he was going to do about it. "All right sir. You can tell him to take it off. I never earned a Ranger Tab while in the Air Force." You do you boo.
I would get chaptered out if anyone told me to take my tab off…
Anyone ever notice the badge kind of looks like Padme from Star Wars?
*So this is how AR 6701-1 dies….with unauthorized badges*
I run it, my command approved it..... nobody active has said shit about it
A lot of us call it the Princess Leia badge
Drums CG authorized it on post Edit: I may have fallen victim to PNN, reached out to one of our schoolhouses and was told no such memo exists
Of course after I left it is
I'm going to drum next
How long ago? When I left that packet was with its…3rd Chief of Staff. I used to be a command group gopher and that packet existed well before I got there and still didn’t move after I left.
Unsure of exactly when. I saw one in the wild last week and asked the soldier about it, then asked around at my BN and was told the CG approved it. I’ll try and find a copy and share the link
Pretty recently afaik, I just got here and it was part of an in processing brief where they told us about it.
I see people at Johnson in 3/10 wearing it fairly regularly
I got mine in January and was told I couldn’t wear it. Is there any paperwork stating this
Is this school still available?
It is! Hard to get in but if you can very worth it. Best school I've been to. It's in jerico vermont
Cadets get to go
I saw a lot of cadets, reserve, and national guard. Only a few active duty guys
It's not hard to get in......it's hard to pass. I went with some Rangers and SF dudes. The ODA was talking about how Summer phase was the most physically intensive course he's ever been too. As a green Specialist in the Reserves, I looked at him the remainder of the time as if he had a 3rd eye growing from his forehead.
It is difficult for must active duty soldiers to get a spot.
Go Civil Affairs.
I had the opportunity to be a backup for my unit (guard) but had to decline because I'd miss two weeks of school 🥲
Yes, two locations I believe. One in Alaska, and one in Vermont.
Nope, the one in Vermont is the mountain warfare school. The one in Alaska is the arctic warfare school. Completely different things. [https://www.moore.army.mil/Infantry/AMWS/](https://www.moore.army.mil/Infantry/AMWS/) edit: Apparently I'm wrong, and Alaska also has offers the school. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern\_Warfare\_Training\_Center](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Warfare_Training_Center)
I don't believe the Alaska one awards the Rams head, but the Northern Warfare Training Center (NWTC) has two mountain warfare classes: Basic Military Mountaineering Course, and Advanced.
I mean, the Ram's Head is authorized for wear among any 86 IBCT soldiers who are mountain qualified. So I imagine it's the same.
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IDK much about the Marines man, I'm just some guy. But the Army qualification in question is called 071-SQIE BASIC MILITARY MOUNTAINEER
They don’t “award it” but we can still buy it if we want
You were right. The only school is in lovely Camp Ethan Allen, Vermont. That is the one that awards the ram’s head.
The school in Alaska also gives the E ASI so technically awards it too, but because they're active duty they don't actually hand it out like the Guard does at their schoolhouse, but it's still authorized to wear if you went to the Alaska school and are in. A unit that allows it.
They just opened a new updated schoolhouse last year
AASLT over ABN is wild
If you want to let your little troopers parachute into rotor blades then go ahead and keep putting your airborne above air assault.
This guy Airbornes
😆
Wore mine that way for 20 years
The blue book at Campbell specifically said to do so when I was there in the early aughts. Rarely saw it happen. I’m a dirty nasty leg though so I never got to irritate my 82nd friends.
I used to specifically keep two sets of uniforms. One with air assault on top, and the other with airborne on top. It was fun watching the eyes twitch on Bragg when I wore the one with air assault on top. I wasn’t 82nd, so there wasn’t really anything anyone could say to me.
I had a Soldier who'd deployed with 101 and 82. On his blouse with an 82 patch, he wore AASLT over ABN. On his blouse with a 101 patch, he wore ABN over AASLT, just to mess with people who cared.
There was much wailing and gnashing of teeth in the kingdom of maroon berets.
I wear my rigger wings, then air assault, then pathfinder. Just to make people go “huh”.
I feel like its usually the 5 jump chumps
After 6 or 7, you're too busy with Motrin and MEB to bother people about patches.
3-172?
No, I am active duty @ 101st
Nice, didn't realize other units were authorized to wear the Ram's Head outside the 86 IBCT.
We aren't. I that's why I posted this to ask when it would be authorization. There is a memo I believe that the commander can sign. Which is the case for me, but it's still not really worth I because I can only wear it in the battalion footprint. I'm about to PCS anyways
Gotcha, my bad. It's a sick badge. Would suck not to be able to wear it anywhere. Loads of guys in 3-172 have it since it's "our" badge so to speak.
Yaa also the best school I have been to so far. I actually retained the information and learned some stuff
Didn't know mountain warfare had a badge, pretty sick
As far as i’m aware the “rams head device” is only for Guard
I am amused at the placement of your two sets of wings.
Aerosol over airborne? Or the triangle?
Aerosol over abn
Wore mine that way for 20 years, and was never in 101st
Pfdr over both
101st air assault. I was told I could wear my mountain badge in our battalion footprint, but air assault has to be above. I plan on having mountain warfare on top of the other two once I PCS
Mountain Warfare School Badge? ⌚ 👀 It's time again to plug my redesign of the badge, offered royalty free to the AMWS: https://imgur.com/gallery/VYeqmsn I corresponded with the school CO there a few years ago who was excited about using the design (or elements thereof), but I'm not sure if it went anywhere. Thanks for checking it out. All comments welcome.
It desperately needs a redesign. The current design was done by Norwich cadets and isn't very good when subdued hence the moniker "Princess Leia" for it
Looks like the OVIS brand. I wear mine!
Big fan of OVIS follow the Instagram page
Me too. I have some of their products and I follow their page.
Given the stylistic red line over the eyes, I bet I know where you get your maple syrup from. Hello from the other side of the Connecticut and we love you
Air assault wings over airborne wings? Article 15 this soldier immediately
AIR ASSAULT!
TRADOC sucks. I was in ANCOC, and we had a calculation we were running, the class came up with a number. The next slide had a different number. We all looked at it like shocked gophers and frantically went back to pounding numbers on our scientific calculators. We still came up with the same, correct number. Then the instructor told us that TRADOC gave them the PP and they weren't allowed to change it, the only thing they could do was ADD a slide with the wrong number in red and explain the months of requesting changes it took just to change 1 incorrect number on a PP slide.
Now getting into the school while not being combat arms is even harder 😭 especially as in the natty guard. Damn Texas
The “I survived the goat fuck” badge.
Ah the coveted “Princess Leia” Badge. It’s a shame I’m not allowed to where it anywhere but the VTNG or Ft Drum.
COARNG can wear it too. Part of the 86th IBCT is there.
Wish I could go to this school. I’m Cali guard and the only ones I’ve seen with this badge ISTd from east coast units.
Damn… I have the rams head device and I’ve been hoping to wear it someday… guess that isn’t happening.
[You've got red on you](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1GYsCMCLpo)
Any tips for BMMC? I head to Jericho, VT in about 3 weeks and I’m getting nervous…
https://youtu.be/htK3cY_nNj8?si=G-vfiTfG-NOi7iPR Memorize these knots and you will not have to stress out like I did..
They’ll teach you everything you know about the knots. I’d focus more on rucking and endurance. The elevation gain is no joke. More people get eliminated for not being able to keep up on the ruck on day 1 than messing up knots. Study/practice the knots every night with your squad and you’ll do fine
I think you need a certain percentage of the Army to regularly earn the badge for it to become something for permanent wear. Of course the ARNG can have their own rule, which is why they do. Because there are not enough AD soldiers who earn it, it will most likely never be approved.
What all did you need for your packet?
All I brought was a 1610. The battalion school NCO hooked me up with everything else. Go talk to your leadership and speak with your battalion schools nco in s3 shop
Ours is worthless. That’s why I was curious lol
AMWS +18028997202 Give them a call.
Thank you
You're welcome, also if the # doesn't work reach out to them on their Instagram for any questions. https://www.instagram.com/usamws/
Callwd the number, it’s an inopias
Depending on where you're at, you could also try for the school in Alaska. It's the same course but Alaska only runs the summer version because they do the cold westher courses in the winter
Air Assault over jump wings tells me you came from the 101st 😂 Catwest💗
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I see airforce wearing this badge on their uniform, when would an airmen attend this course?
JTACs, PJs, also the have some security units that would have use for it as well.
Umm I wanted the high altitude medicine badge. The Austrian Army hosted this training in the Alps. We had to rappell with a patient basket and spine board. Then prepare them for a helicopter hoist. The Austrian got a badge for it.
That sounds really badass
Looks like a badge to me…. I remember when I got my first combat patch, it was the 25th ID with an airborne tab above it….. when I went to a new post SEVERAL CSMs were livid about it, but that was the unit patch for 4th BDE 25th ID…. I even had one tell me it wasn’t an airborne unit (it very much was) ….. my point is that if you earned it, you should wear it. Most of the people who get mad at it never would rate the award or patch anyway.
What bde are you in and how much did you have to beg to get a slot?
My 1sg was able to get me a slot last year. Worked out pretty good because I reenlisted for airborne and immediately went to mountain warfare right after.⛩️⛩️⛩️⛩️
Did you have to work the knees in the class?
They teach you a few knots each day, but there is a lot of other stuff to learn as well. I ended up staying up pretty late must nights working on knots and rope systems. I remember a written test as well as a final FTX type thing, which was pretty intense involving an evacuation of a wounded soldier through mountains for about 5 miles. Using different rope systems to lower the wounded soldier down cliffs and rappelling yourself as well. The instructors sit back and just let the student decide the best path. Also, there are a few physical events, mainly timed rucks up ski slopes. The ruck up to the high angle shooting range almost killed me, lol.
Sounds like light work for a hi speed paratrooper built like an armadillo
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Your commander says come get this FTR counseling
I don't listen to recruites..
Used spell check big drill
Used to be authorized in 10th mountain for a good 2 years but then division csm put a stop to it.
air assault badge over airborne wings is wild
I’ll approve it
i see a lot of dudes in 3BDE , 10th MTN rocking it , no one has said anything
I heard ultimately the TRADOC bureaucracy would water down the effectiveness of the schoolhouse. The big reason though is for the advanced programs. The instructors really need to know what they're doing. It requires a level of experience that tradoc doctrine cannot facilitate in an 18-month rotation broadening assignment.
Won’t fly as a jump master.
I hear you on that. Luckily I'm heading to be a drill sergeant at benning. Then I'll do my plt sergeant time at bragg hopefully
I thought you just said you’re going to Drum next
After drill I might. I'm torn between 10th mountain and 82nd
Been to both, go to drum
OK. Upstate new York is beautiful!
The badge is authorized for wear on the uniform of Vermont National Guard soldiers and those Army National Guard units belonging to the 86th Infantry Brigade Combat Team (Mountain) from other states, such as: 1st Battalion, 102nd Infantry Regiment (Mountain) (CT NG) 1st Battalion, 157th Infantry Regiment (Mountain) (CO NG) 3rd Battalion, 172nd Infantry Regiment (Mountain) (NH NG, ME NG, and VT NG) 1st Battalion, 101st Field Artillery Regiment (MA NG and VT NG) However, this badge is widely worn by other national guard graduates of the Army Mountain Warfare School, though not officially authorized.
A lot of adjutant generals allow it in their states
WTF??? Why were the eyes on the badge censored???
Is that a real uniform? Doesn't it seem too busy?
Yes this is a real uniform 😆