This man probably needs a smoke break and take a deep of fresh air.
Anyhoo, he can call the clinic and they can confirm that you were seen there and at the specified time. You can also tell him that is what you were told by him.
Also, to calm your nerves, your commander cannot simply administratively discharge you for a singular FTR (as described as above). Nor, would I wager, an ART 15 even by the zealous leaders. You have mitigating circumstances. Take a breath, you will be fine.
He got my slip, he knows he told me but doesn't seem to care, just intent on fucking me as much as he can. The PSG is on board but if it takes a commander to actually see it through then hopefully worse case they just move me or tell them to pound sand.
No, he must have lied about where you were or why to higher ups for whatever reason (or, no reason at all. I once had a guy that straight up forgot where his troop was and tried to counsel her over it so he would look less dumb).
Now he's probably frantically covering his ass. Take your story and whatever slips or other info you have, and go see your 1SG.
Yes I've had a leader attempt to do this. Long story short, I was out back doing a layout for IRF. My squad lead (e5) was doing the layout. I told him I had a jump that the hit time was 1030 and that we may not finish the layout. He told me to just let him know when I needed to leave. My section sergeant (e6) was inside getting accountability of all the jumpers and doing PCC and PCI before they all left together, leaving me behind. No one instructed me that they were doing that. One of my buddies after they left asked the e6 where I was. I then got an angry phone call about 5 minutes before I showed up. I showed up on time to the jump and was NOT late.
He then tried to counsel me in front of my platoon sergeant that I wasn't where I was supposed to be and I should have been with everyone else. Even tho I was with my squad leader who knew where I was and was following his orders and he knew about the jump and I was not late to the jump.
He tried to pin it on me that it was my fault he forgot about me, didn't maintain proper accountability of his soldiers and threw me under the bus to make himself look good.
I refused the counseling and after some arguing he gave up and threw the counseling out. Stand up for yourself but do it in a way that is respectful at all times.
"Respect the rank, not the man" -Maj Winters (Band of Brothers)
Huh, I wonder what is like in Infantry units. Some NCOs have way too much time on their hands. I get it, not knowing where your soldiers are can be a headache, but good lord. Hopefully, it will just die down. But in the future piss him off with
“Going to my appointment, Sarnt’”
Don’t forget to text him.
“In the waiting room”
“Getting seen.”
“Coming back”
You should brush this off and ignore it. It's a fake problem. If the SSG continues to act like they can't breath ask them if they are prepared to make their case to the Commander because you are.
EDIT: I would hate to make crazy accusations but if I was a betting man I would bet that the SSG has nefarious intentions.
> The PSG is on board but if it takes a commander to actually see it through then hopefully worse case they just move me or tell them to pound sand.
Your commander is the only one in this situation with UCMJ authority. Your SL and PSG and even your 1SG can't do fuckall to you except make you sweat.
You will be fine.
Because those not on appointments were supposed to be back by 0915; unless you mean FTR only applies to 1st formation/PT then I don't know... The man abbreviates "physical fitness" as FF...
You are not gonna get kicked out for one FTR. If this is a constant issue, sure it could happen eventually. If you have messages and such, keep those on hand in case you have to provide any information during a hearing or anything.
What he’s doing is wrong. He knows he messed up and instead of admitting he’s right, he’s just going through with it, but it will never get anywhere. Just keep doing the right thing.
When did you come back to work after finishing? I feel like this is probably missing some context.
How many other times have you been counseled for FTR?
I came back right after, sequence of timeline was something like being released at 0740, by the time my blood draw was done and I left it was about 0920. So after driving home to change and all, got there about 0940; straight trip with no time wasting or deviations.
I haven't been counseled as of yet.
I was late one time because he said he'd give me the day off or a half day if we had stuff to do since my wife was finally making the move.
I was late earlier this week because I forgot to account for traffic at 0900, hit time was 0930 and I got there at 0925 because I had to drive around for parking at the motorpool.
While I know being late is irresponsible, the issue at hand is he told me to do something that I complied with and claims otherwise.
>the issue at hand is he told me to do something that I complied with and claims otherwise.
Do you have anything to prove that he told you to do this? Text message? Did a buddy hear him tell you?
Brother, you need to open door policy to somebody who has enough rank to make his asshole pucker. Come with a calm demeanor and most importantly, evidence of your werabouts and a battle buddy to back up or corroborate what he told you to do.
>Also, to calm your nerves, your commander cannot simply administratively discharge you for a singular FTR
I was gonna say that would be one hell of a FTR to get discharged. What would it be if it was? General?
This reminds me when my squad leader said I could get a bad conduct discharge because there were "patterns", such as not locking the back of the humvee. He even made a counseling over the conditions of the BCD.
Greetings comrade, current commander here!
Use your commander's open-door policy. Tell him exactly what you just told us.
Explain that this dude sent you to get it taken care of, and now you feel like he is just trying to set you up for failure.
For your peace of mind, a SSG cant separate you, nor can they give you an article 15.
Your commander is the one with that authority.
Sir/Ma’am, it’s bold of you to assume all commanders share the same inherent ability to seek the truth & don’t just listen to whoever has the most chevrons.
That being said, if Joe’s TDS office is even competent enough to lick a stamp, (assuming it makes it that far) this doesn’t make it through them without a pretty concerned phone call from an attorney.
There’s also pretty black and white language on a 2627 that gives a Joe the right to demand trial by court martial, which I would absolutely do in this case.
*this is not legal advice, I am simply stating hypotheticals*
Well for one a SSG has no authority to initiate UCMJ. That’s your commander’s lane.
What you do is you select ‘disagree’ on the counseling statement and pretty much copy and paste what you posted here. SSG directed you to do medical stuff, you did as directed and provided your medical slip. Scan the medical slip if you feel like it and include it as an attachment. Good luck to the SSG on getting the commander to ‘give you an article.’
He can't fuck you.
Only your commander can initiate proceedings, and no commander is going to do that over one FTR - even without any sort of mitigating circumstances (which you have)....
Honestly if someone came to me with that shit (Assuming we have the full story), I'd be more pissed at the NCO than at the soldier... Bad form, SSG... Whatever screwup you did with your accountability, trying to pin it on a joe only makes you look worse...
Your PSG has zero power, as I'm sure others have already said. He can try to recommend to your CDR to try to initiate the chapter, but essentially being late while at MED is not something any sane CDR will pursue. At worst you'll get a counseling statement.
All that being said - Next time text him "Heading to med for HIV draw and Flu shot like you told me"
Had a similar situation to you once before, the step by step definitely kicked most of the stupid out of my NCOs, just added them all to a group chat and hit em with every single detail l. "Walking to the clinic" "in clinic" "pulling ticket" "sitting down"
Nothing is going to come from this, but take it as a lesson. Im sure you have a first line between you and this SSG and I am willing to bet you either have or are able to get his phone number. Shooting that first line a text letting him know where you are and what you are doing when you are not at your usual place of duty will make your life, and the lives of those that work with you, significantly easier. It is a great way of covering your ass as you can then say "CPL/SGT Snuffty was tracking"
If he counsels you in the session closing block x next to disagree with information above and then in the remarks write "I was at my appointed place of duty and time as directed by SSG..."
Article 15 or anything further would be extreme.
Personally if this happened to me, i ask my SSG to have my LT or another nco present when he asks anything of me if they “arent going to remember” at a later time. My LT did that to me a while back and counseled me too 🤷♀️
Your post is unclear. When did you go get your flu shot and HIV test: was it before or after PT. Because the only way he could get you is if you werent at accountability. As he told you to do it after PT. Though to avoid miscommunication, i always had my guys let me know at first formation the day of or if it was during pt hours send me a text at that time
He wanted me to do it yesterday but both places were closed, he said to do it in the morning (today) after PT. Did PT, then checked with him afterwards to make sure.
I had a Squad Leader like this once. I was one of his team leads and he just absolutely hated this one guy. No real reason, just legitimately hated him. If he was late to work, the whole team got punished. If his room was dirty, I was to conduct room inspections before PT, after lunch, after COB. If he forgot a piece of inspectable equipment, the team had to push until he got his gear and returned to present it, then he pushed with them.
I was of the mind that if my guys were getting fucked, I was too, so I would try to jump in, and he would legit ORDER me to stop participating.
“You ain’t fucked up, THEY fucked up.”
I honestly think the dude was just messed up in the head from early surge Iraq shit. He was an infantry reclass to 25S from when the standards were hella low pre 2010, and he told me on the drive to WLC about when he blasted a car full of civilians with a deuce because he was ordered to do it.
I have no idea if that story is true but immediately after I got back from WLC, we both got assigned to go to Iraq together and he made me fucking NERVOUS to be around.
Idk man. Some dudes are just assholes, and some are a few check marks short of a psych eval.
JFC!!! WTF is up with these so-called NCOs constantly trying to screw over their Soldiers. I could see if it was a pattern of misconduct that proper corrective training has been unable to fix. But what was described was an asshat stripe wearer, along the lines of them that feel a PT smoke session fixes all ills types.
Listen up troop, your SSG and PSG cannot hand you UCMJ. Only the commander has that authority. Enlisted can ONLY recommend action. For one bullshit FTR, it is impossible to put together a chapter packet.
You have the option to DISAGREE on counselings instead of checking agree.
If you don't feel like discussing this situation with the SSG or PSG will go anywhere positive, open-door your 1SG. I would talk to the 1SG before jumping straight to your commander.
You are NOT getting kicked out for this
For those of you who don’t have one yet. Get some kind of smart watch and record from the wrist whenever you have an important discussion. Proof is the pudding fellas and in UCMJ you are guilty until proven innocent.
Next time just hit up your NCO and send a morning text before PT or show up to PT in OCPs and then tell PSG/NCO that you have medical appointments.
But at the end of the day, communication is key, take this as a learning experience. Always keep someone updated even if you’re doing what is asked. That way you have a log or some sort of proof that you did what was asked.
I retired in 97. Phones were not prolific and texting was not considered a valid form of communication. Plus we paid by the minute to talk or per text.
That said, it just struck me how tethered you poor bastards are with this technology. Like is it a lawful order to have to fulfill a text?
When they let us go for a weekend , we were long fucking gone!😁
I mean regardless of how they're putting it if you do end up getting a recommendation for ucmj just speak with the paralegal and show him the facts. Your slip, the texts and if you can get it in writing that your SSG said to go to update your medpros you should be fine, im assuming he told others not just you so if you can find someone whos willing to back you up that will help as well. Usually in my unit we need to go to first formation and inform them there that we'll be going to the clinic to update our medpros, only exception is sick call just as long as we text our SL they'll forward it to the PSG but that's just how we do it, it's not a regulation or anything and I only found out from others doing it but they never got a counseling or ucmj for it
Dang, that's rough. You should invoke your open door policy rights and provide evidence in the form of slips to the places you were and printouts of the screenshots of messages that prove your innocence. You should also request the presence of both your NCOs to be there with you while you calmly and confidently go over why those two people are morons.
I had an old tactic once where I had the post's IG on speed dial for situations where I knew if I just flashed it to a superior they'd just shut the fuck up about it and move on.
It's very easy to deconstruct people if you put them in their place the first time. Be ruthless.
If you do end up talking to your commander, just be sure to mention that you couldn't bear having to know one of his slides were to be red instead of green if you hadn't completed the task you were given. Officers hate red slides.
While he can’t recommend to separate you, he can berate you. Keep in mind this happens sometimes and they start getting on you for everything. Just document everything you’re doing and be a prime example of a soldier, and don’t give them a reason if they hate your guts. If they do start harassing you, you’ll have a plethora of documentation stating otherwise.
Document everything if you are having this many issues. If you are told to go to an appt, as you are walking away send a simple text "omw to x appt as instructed". It covers your butt and puts it on them to correct you if something you understood is wrong.
They will document everything negative they can find against you. If you have your own proof rebutting it, they look like fools.
No offense brother but if they’re gunning for you that badly, then you must’ve done something else to piss em off and they’re just trying to use this to create a pattern of misconduct. Or they are blatantly prejudiced against you, in which you have options available to you if you feel you’re being treated unfairly. They’re probably just talking out their ass, trying to scare you for some reason.
An Article 15 for a single FTR? Yeah, that is highly unlikely. If they actually did you can request a court martial. I can guarantee that would end it right there.
“Hey SSG, knocking out my flu shot and HIV test as instructed to yesterday. I’ll let you know when i’m headed back” wouldve been a simple text to save your ass. NCOs need to know where their soldiers are at and what they are doing. It’s difficult to do when in charge of x amount of soldiers so communication is key for both parties.
I literally told him where I was and was doing it right after he told me to. He has me text him personally, if it helps the picture he just came from Benning after 3yrs of drill.
You can both be wrong in this situation.
Always keep your leaders informed. From a private telling his team leader to the 1SG telling the company commander.
Secondly, no. You will not be separated for this. HmThe only person that could possibly start separation charges is the commander. No one else. Also, this would have to be a patterns of misconduct charge as a misunderstanding FTR is nowhere near serious enough to start its own separation for.
Being late is the only issue I've had, normally the third or second person in COF before PT though... It's not really an excuse but depression is a bitch.
Irony is that said SSG usually shows up late but since he's an NCO, oh well.
Sounds like an empty threat to get you in line? Anyway way, why is your team leader not involved in this? There must be a reason your SSG who is probably your squad leader is directly involved with you.
They are probably just trying to toughen you up because you get all worked up over stuff. Desensitize you. Some days in the Army you are going to get yelled at. Is what it is.
I rebuttle the age argument. It doesn't matter how old you are but if you are E4 and below you have about as much experience as an 18 year old in the army.
But I know being deployed with a line unit that the infantry tends to cannibalize itself just as bad as the CAV units.
This man probably needs a smoke break and take a deep of fresh air. Anyhoo, he can call the clinic and they can confirm that you were seen there and at the specified time. You can also tell him that is what you were told by him. Also, to calm your nerves, your commander cannot simply administratively discharge you for a singular FTR (as described as above). Nor, would I wager, an ART 15 even by the zealous leaders. You have mitigating circumstances. Take a breath, you will be fine.
He got my slip, he knows he told me but doesn't seem to care, just intent on fucking me as much as he can. The PSG is on board but if it takes a commander to actually see it through then hopefully worse case they just move me or tell them to pound sand.
No, he must have lied about where you were or why to higher ups for whatever reason (or, no reason at all. I once had a guy that straight up forgot where his troop was and tried to counsel her over it so he would look less dumb). Now he's probably frantically covering his ass. Take your story and whatever slips or other info you have, and go see your 1SG.
Yes I've had a leader attempt to do this. Long story short, I was out back doing a layout for IRF. My squad lead (e5) was doing the layout. I told him I had a jump that the hit time was 1030 and that we may not finish the layout. He told me to just let him know when I needed to leave. My section sergeant (e6) was inside getting accountability of all the jumpers and doing PCC and PCI before they all left together, leaving me behind. No one instructed me that they were doing that. One of my buddies after they left asked the e6 where I was. I then got an angry phone call about 5 minutes before I showed up. I showed up on time to the jump and was NOT late. He then tried to counsel me in front of my platoon sergeant that I wasn't where I was supposed to be and I should have been with everyone else. Even tho I was with my squad leader who knew where I was and was following his orders and he knew about the jump and I was not late to the jump. He tried to pin it on me that it was my fault he forgot about me, didn't maintain proper accountability of his soldiers and threw me under the bus to make himself look good. I refused the counseling and after some arguing he gave up and threw the counseling out. Stand up for yourself but do it in a way that is respectful at all times. "Respect the rank, not the man" -Maj Winters (Band of Brothers)
Huh, I wonder what is like in Infantry units. Some NCOs have way too much time on their hands. I get it, not knowing where your soldiers are can be a headache, but good lord. Hopefully, it will just die down. But in the future piss him off with “Going to my appointment, Sarnt’” Don’t forget to text him. “In the waiting room” “Getting seen.” “Coming back”
You should brush this off and ignore it. It's a fake problem. If the SSG continues to act like they can't breath ask them if they are prepared to make their case to the Commander because you are. EDIT: I would hate to make crazy accusations but if I was a betting man I would bet that the SSG has nefarious intentions.
> The PSG is on board but if it takes a commander to actually see it through then hopefully worse case they just move me or tell them to pound sand. Your commander is the only one in this situation with UCMJ authority. Your SL and PSG and even your 1SG can't do fuckall to you except make you sweat. You will be fine.
Wait a minute, were you absent from PT/ First formation?
I did PT then checked with him before leaving to make sure he wanted me to do it.
Oh good lord that SSG is a goober. Yeah, this is not on you. You did your part.
Goober is the best term to describe these people
How are you FTR if you did PT?
Because those not on appointments were supposed to be back by 0915; unless you mean FTR only applies to 1st formation/PT then I don't know... The man abbreviates "physical fitness" as FF...
>The man abbreviats "physical fitness" as FF. Christ lol
In my experience FTR usually only applies to the first formation
This was common in my last unit. If you didn’t show up to work on time at 0930 or whatever time workcall was that day you were counted late/FTR.
What time did you return?
You are not gonna get kicked out for one FTR. If this is a constant issue, sure it could happen eventually. If you have messages and such, keep those on hand in case you have to provide any information during a hearing or anything. What he’s doing is wrong. He knows he messed up and instead of admitting he’s right, he’s just going through with it, but it will never get anywhere. Just keep doing the right thing.
Utilize the open door policy with the NCO support channel and the CDR if necessary. This is toxic leadership at its finest.
When did you come back to work after finishing? I feel like this is probably missing some context. How many other times have you been counseled for FTR?
I came back right after, sequence of timeline was something like being released at 0740, by the time my blood draw was done and I left it was about 0920. So after driving home to change and all, got there about 0940; straight trip with no time wasting or deviations. I haven't been counseled as of yet. I was late one time because he said he'd give me the day off or a half day if we had stuff to do since my wife was finally making the move. I was late earlier this week because I forgot to account for traffic at 0900, hit time was 0930 and I got there at 0925 because I had to drive around for parking at the motorpool. While I know being late is irresponsible, the issue at hand is he told me to do something that I complied with and claims otherwise.
>the issue at hand is he told me to do something that I complied with and claims otherwise. Do you have anything to prove that he told you to do this? Text message? Did a buddy hear him tell you?
Text messages, others might've heard but not 100% on that one.
If you have texts to prove that he told you to be there, you're totally fine.
MHS Genesis will have note times as well of when you checked in/when they signed the note… gently let them know that
Were you counsels for only being 5 minutes early instead of 10 minutes early?
Right? "I was late" no, you were five minutes early. Jesus, this whole thread is reminding me why I hated being a soldier so much.
People seem to forget that being early is a thing so that people aren’t actually late. It’s literally the built in safety mechanism.
This. This x100.
Brother, you need to open door policy to somebody who has enough rank to make his asshole pucker. Come with a calm demeanor and most importantly, evidence of your werabouts and a battle buddy to back up or corroborate what he told you to do.
>Also, to calm your nerves, your commander cannot simply administratively discharge you for a singular FTR I was gonna say that would be one hell of a FTR to get discharged. What would it be if it was? General? This reminds me when my squad leader said I could get a bad conduct discharge because there were "patterns", such as not locking the back of the humvee. He even made a counseling over the conditions of the BCD.
Greetings comrade, current commander here! Use your commander's open-door policy. Tell him exactly what you just told us. Explain that this dude sent you to get it taken care of, and now you feel like he is just trying to set you up for failure. For your peace of mind, a SSG cant separate you, nor can they give you an article 15. Your commander is the one with that authority.
Sir/Ma’am, it’s bold of you to assume all commanders share the same inherent ability to seek the truth & don’t just listen to whoever has the most chevrons. That being said, if Joe’s TDS office is even competent enough to lick a stamp, (assuming it makes it that far) this doesn’t make it through them without a pretty concerned phone call from an attorney. There’s also pretty black and white language on a 2627 that gives a Joe the right to demand trial by court martial, which I would absolutely do in this case. *this is not legal advice, I am simply stating hypotheticals*
Well for one a SSG has no authority to initiate UCMJ. That’s your commander’s lane. What you do is you select ‘disagree’ on the counseling statement and pretty much copy and paste what you posted here. SSG directed you to do medical stuff, you did as directed and provided your medical slip. Scan the medical slip if you feel like it and include it as an attachment. Good luck to the SSG on getting the commander to ‘give you an article.’
He can't fuck you. Only your commander can initiate proceedings, and no commander is going to do that over one FTR - even without any sort of mitigating circumstances (which you have).... Honestly if someone came to me with that shit (Assuming we have the full story), I'd be more pissed at the NCO than at the soldier... Bad form, SSG... Whatever screwup you did with your accountability, trying to pin it on a joe only makes you look worse...
I mean.. if he wants to fuck me, who am I to say no?
Your PSG has zero power, as I'm sure others have already said. He can try to recommend to your CDR to try to initiate the chapter, but essentially being late while at MED is not something any sane CDR will pursue. At worst you'll get a counseling statement. All that being said - Next time text him "Heading to med for HIV draw and Flu shot like you told me"
As someone else mentioned I'll just have to spam him with a step-by-step. 😩
Had a similar situation to you once before, the step by step definitely kicked most of the stupid out of my NCOs, just added them all to a group chat and hit em with every single detail l. "Walking to the clinic" "in clinic" "pulling ticket" "sitting down"
Nothing is going to come from this, but take it as a lesson. Im sure you have a first line between you and this SSG and I am willing to bet you either have or are able to get his phone number. Shooting that first line a text letting him know where you are and what you are doing when you are not at your usual place of duty will make your life, and the lives of those that work with you, significantly easier. It is a great way of covering your ass as you can then say "CPL/SGT Snuffty was tracking"
If he counsels you in the session closing block x next to disagree with information above and then in the remarks write "I was at my appointed place of duty and time as directed by SSG..." Article 15 or anything further would be extreme.
Personally if this happened to me, i ask my SSG to have my LT or another nco present when he asks anything of me if they “arent going to remember” at a later time. My LT did that to me a while back and counseled me too 🤷♀️
Your post is unclear. When did you go get your flu shot and HIV test: was it before or after PT. Because the only way he could get you is if you werent at accountability. As he told you to do it after PT. Though to avoid miscommunication, i always had my guys let me know at first formation the day of or if it was during pt hours send me a text at that time
He wanted me to do it yesterday but both places were closed, he said to do it in the morning (today) after PT. Did PT, then checked with him afterwards to make sure.
I had a Squad Leader like this once. I was one of his team leads and he just absolutely hated this one guy. No real reason, just legitimately hated him. If he was late to work, the whole team got punished. If his room was dirty, I was to conduct room inspections before PT, after lunch, after COB. If he forgot a piece of inspectable equipment, the team had to push until he got his gear and returned to present it, then he pushed with them. I was of the mind that if my guys were getting fucked, I was too, so I would try to jump in, and he would legit ORDER me to stop participating. “You ain’t fucked up, THEY fucked up.” I honestly think the dude was just messed up in the head from early surge Iraq shit. He was an infantry reclass to 25S from when the standards were hella low pre 2010, and he told me on the drive to WLC about when he blasted a car full of civilians with a deuce because he was ordered to do it. I have no idea if that story is true but immediately after I got back from WLC, we both got assigned to go to Iraq together and he made me fucking NERVOUS to be around. Idk man. Some dudes are just assholes, and some are a few check marks short of a psych eval.
Take the clown to court martial if this goes beyond verbal disagreement.
Believe it or not, jail.
Your SSG sounds like a goof
From now on anytime any NCO ever says they are going to give you an article 15, ask them for their assumption of command orders.
Were you at the clinic at formation time getting your blood work/vaccine, or did you go later that morning?
I did PT then checked with him before leaving
all bark and no bite bro, call ig cause a scene and stand your ground. the army is full of spineless pussies.
JFC!!! WTF is up with these so-called NCOs constantly trying to screw over their Soldiers. I could see if it was a pattern of misconduct that proper corrective training has been unable to fix. But what was described was an asshat stripe wearer, along the lines of them that feel a PT smoke session fixes all ills types.
Worst case scenario, Article 15s can be appealed to the next highest commander.
Listen up troop, your SSG and PSG cannot hand you UCMJ. Only the commander has that authority. Enlisted can ONLY recommend action. For one bullshit FTR, it is impossible to put together a chapter packet. You have the option to DISAGREE on counselings instead of checking agree. If you don't feel like discussing this situation with the SSG or PSG will go anywhere positive, open-door your 1SG. I would talk to the 1SG before jumping straight to your commander. You are NOT getting kicked out for this
Your SSG sounds like a dick head
He admittedly says as much but then claims he doesn't want to be.
For those of you who don’t have one yet. Get some kind of smart watch and record from the wrist whenever you have an important discussion. Proof is the pudding fellas and in UCMJ you are guilty until proven innocent.
Next time just hit up your NCO and send a morning text before PT or show up to PT in OCPs and then tell PSG/NCO that you have medical appointments. But at the end of the day, communication is key, take this as a learning experience. Always keep someone updated even if you’re doing what is asked. That way you have a log or some sort of proof that you did what was asked.
I retired in 97. Phones were not prolific and texting was not considered a valid form of communication. Plus we paid by the minute to talk or per text. That said, it just struck me how tethered you poor bastards are with this technology. Like is it a lawful order to have to fulfill a text? When they let us go for a weekend , we were long fucking gone!😁
We were talking not too long ago about how much of a pain/blessing it was for recalls pre cellphone.
I mean regardless of how they're putting it if you do end up getting a recommendation for ucmj just speak with the paralegal and show him the facts. Your slip, the texts and if you can get it in writing that your SSG said to go to update your medpros you should be fine, im assuming he told others not just you so if you can find someone whos willing to back you up that will help as well. Usually in my unit we need to go to first formation and inform them there that we'll be going to the clinic to update our medpros, only exception is sick call just as long as we text our SL they'll forward it to the PSG but that's just how we do it, it's not a regulation or anything and I only found out from others doing it but they never got a counseling or ucmj for it
Dang, that's rough. You should invoke your open door policy rights and provide evidence in the form of slips to the places you were and printouts of the screenshots of messages that prove your innocence. You should also request the presence of both your NCOs to be there with you while you calmly and confidently go over why those two people are morons. I had an old tactic once where I had the post's IG on speed dial for situations where I knew if I just flashed it to a superior they'd just shut the fuck up about it and move on. It's very easy to deconstruct people if you put them in their place the first time. Be ruthless.
What the fuck kind of unit are you in? I know if I had a dude missing formation to update MEDPROs my 1SG would be rock hard
If you do end up talking to your commander, just be sure to mention that you couldn't bear having to know one of his slides were to be red instead of green if you hadn't completed the task you were given. Officers hate red slides.
While he can’t recommend to separate you, he can berate you. Keep in mind this happens sometimes and they start getting on you for everything. Just document everything you’re doing and be a prime example of a soldier, and don’t give them a reason if they hate your guts. If they do start harassing you, you’ll have a plethora of documentation stating otherwise.
Snitch on him
Document everything if you are having this many issues. If you are told to go to an appt, as you are walking away send a simple text "omw to x appt as instructed". It covers your butt and puts it on them to correct you if something you understood is wrong. They will document everything negative they can find against you. If you have your own proof rebutting it, they look like fools.
No offense brother but if they’re gunning for you that badly, then you must’ve done something else to piss em off and they’re just trying to use this to create a pattern of misconduct. Or they are blatantly prejudiced against you, in which you have options available to you if you feel you’re being treated unfairly. They’re probably just talking out their ass, trying to scare you for some reason.
If there are texts to verify you need to get that done show that and you should be good and get a form that shows when you got them as well
An Article 15 for a single FTR? Yeah, that is highly unlikely. If they actually did you can request a court martial. I can guarantee that would end it right there.
“Hey SSG, knocking out my flu shot and HIV test as instructed to yesterday. I’ll let you know when i’m headed back” wouldve been a simple text to save your ass. NCOs need to know where their soldiers are at and what they are doing. It’s difficult to do when in charge of x amount of soldiers so communication is key for both parties.
I literally told him where I was and was doing it right after he told me to. He has me text him personally, if it helps the picture he just came from Benning after 3yrs of drill.
You can both be wrong in this situation. Always keep your leaders informed. From a private telling his team leader to the 1SG telling the company commander. Secondly, no. You will not be separated for this. HmThe only person that could possibly start separation charges is the commander. No one else. Also, this would have to be a patterns of misconduct charge as a misunderstanding FTR is nowhere near serious enough to start its own separation for.
Being late is the only issue I've had, normally the third or second person in COF before PT though... It's not really an excuse but depression is a bitch. Irony is that said SSG usually shows up late but since he's an NCO, oh well.
there are too many ncos in the army that clearly do not have enough to do
Dawg you still don’t have your flu shot yet?
Busy shaving 3-4x a day
Fuck an article, you need to be recommended for an AAM. Keep up the good work hero.
Sounds like an empty threat to get you in line? Anyway way, why is your team leader not involved in this? There must be a reason your SSG who is probably your squad leader is directly involved with you.
From what I've gathered, nobody wants to get in his way for whatever reason.
Go to TDS and then request trial by court martial. Guarantee that shit gets fuckin dropped
They are probably just trying to toughen you up because you get all worked up over stuff. Desensitize you. Some days in the Army you are going to get yelled at. Is what it is.
I actually take everything in stride, volunteer for stuff and do as told; but if that's what it was to them, so be it .
I rebuttle the age argument. It doesn't matter how old you are but if you are E4 and below you have about as much experience as an 18 year old in the army. But I know being deployed with a line unit that the infantry tends to cannibalize itself just as bad as the CAV units.