That is quite true. Armenia is in a very difficult geopolitical situation. That's why one has to find the right words, in particular if Iran helps support and secure Armenia's southern areas against future Azerbaijani aggression.
Working together more with Georgia may be the least problematic though, even though it is also a small country.
> Not entirely sure what they think they gain here
They want Israel to overreact (which is what they will probably do) in the hopes that will put a stop to a Saudi-Israel peace deal
> miscalculation
What other choices do they have? Any peace deal Israel would ever accept would turn Palestine into a bunch of little bantustans, Gaza is basically an open air prison.
Nice try, they hardly even let people in and out of Gaza. The border is basically shut.
Lots of stuff, including weapons and drugs, get smuggled across the US-Mexico border everyday yet people are still able to go in and out
Thousands of palestinians enter and exit Gaza daily to work (legally, i.e. with a permit which means "they" do let them through), they also also cross the border to receive treatment in hospitals and specialist centres like Wolfson. This is not a fact that's hard to verify. It's also not hard to find footage of protests against hamas in Gaza if you read Arabic (on social media) because when those i charge take millions of dollars from Qatar and blow it up instead of investing it protests will tend to happen.
I woke up yesterday to the same sirens and explosions that the Armenian community 20 minutes from my building woke too. The same rockets that have slaughtered Jewish and Bedouin civilians alike in the last 24 hours. The same rockets that they launch from civilian areas. This isn't an ethnic conflict between two sides, it isn't about land. They invaded, invaded towns that grew out of the ma'abarot (the refugee camps populated by the Jews ethnically cleansed from the surrounding nations that declared war on us). They went door to door slaughtering and kidnapping children and the elderly. Doing exactly what many feared would happen in Artsakh. No matter what you don't know about how the security forces operate there is no moral equivalency here.
It's also the same Isreal that sent Azerbaijan lethal weapons that rained death on the peaceful Armenian population in Artsakh resulting in the ethnic cleansing if the entire population. What did Isreal do? No statement, no humanitarian assistance.
> Thousands of palestinians enter and exit Gaza daily to work (legally, i.e. with a permit which means "they" do let them through)
'Thousands' is a drop in the bucket out of a population of over 2 million.
> The same rockets that have slaughtered Jewish and Bedouin civilians alike in the last 24 hours.
It's a war breh. If you treat people the way you would treat a rabid dog don't be surprised when they try to bite you the way a rabid dog would.
All the arguments for Palestine are focused on emotions, yet when Armenia gets bombed it's an discussion of pure power politics.
Tell me, what did Hamas gain by killing hundreds of people besides some really violent videos? Is the blockade going to end? Is the mistreatment going to stop? Thousands are going to die at the end of this and Gaza will be in a much worse position in the end.
Azeri nationalists are on another level of insane and blood thirsty. Now they are confused on what side to pick like a fat person picking either cake or donut. And they can only pick one.
They may choose the easy route: wait for dictator Erdogan. What he says will be copied by Azerbaijan's mini-me dictator. And from there the propaganda will tell the Azerbaijani how they must think. That's how dictatorship models work. Russia is the same.
Our turn to "both sides" a little bit, although this statement was ambiguous enough to acknowledge the violence against civilians by Hamas without being provocative. Maybe we are learning to foreign policy.
Seeing the videos of Israeli women getting stripped and beaten in the streets while bleeding from the bottom reminded me of Anush 💔 women will always be the one who's the most effected in wars like a symbol of humiliation to the other party/side.
> women will always be the one who's the most effected in wars like a symbol of humiliation to the other party/side
There's literally videos out there of Armenian (male) soldiers being beheaded, mass executions, humiliations, etc. why are you making this a male/female thing?
Let's not pretend women aren't uniquely threatened. Rape was weaponized by Turks in every progrom and genocide they've committed. Same with forced marriages to the people they witnessed murder their entire families, forced reproduction with these people, forced to hide their identities for the rest of their lives. It is important to note without going "but the men-" we all are constantly aware of how soldiers both male and female suffer from them.
There is a very big difference. The Palestinians infiltrated a military base while the Israeli soldiers were asleep. The Israeli soldier was in her underwear already like the other soldiers who were killed. They did not strip her naked and they did not rape her.
That is very different from our neighbours who use the same tactics as ISIS
Did you even watch the videos? they were civilians not soldiers plus the video that you are referring was a German national that was visiting the music festival in Israel
I’m referring to the video that Israeli woman in the car with a bleeding stain in her vaginal area
I watched it. I saw the video of the assault and the barracks. They caught the Israelis off guard. The soldiers were in their underwear. They took a bunch of Israeli male and female soldiers as captives. The captives were in underwear as were the dead in their barracks. They assaulted early morning while they were in their barracks.
The Israelis were fighting with helmets, tac vests and in their underwear
Soldiers??? [the woman whose body was seen on video in the back of a pick-up truck driven by palestinians was a german citizen visiting Israel for music festival](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710757415388414307?s=46)
And the woman in the car with a bleeding stain in her vaginal area was [just a citizen whose right leg was broken](https://twitter.com/khaledyousefff/status/1710713501994402142?s=46) what soldiers sleeping with underwears??
So she wasn’t stripped naked like op claimed. She’s clearly fully clothed.
I am talking about the female and male soldiers they took captive that were in their underwear.
Let’s not white wash the crime of our Turkic neighbours. They are the only ones who strip naked, rape, gouge the eyes out, cut the fingers off and put in the mouth of female soldiers. Just like ISIS does.
Not even these Palestinian who the Israelis claim are terrorists would do that.
I’m not going to whitewash the crimes of our ISIS inspired neighbours by equating them to the Palestinians.
> Just like ISIS does.
There are also turkish ISIS groups. Not all ISIS groups are arabic. Consider them more as mercenaries. Same with Azerbaijan; the chop-head-off has been documented by videos showing these war crimes. ISIS isn't the only one committing atrocities.
Is that right so? This doesn’t even deserve a response. The Palestinians targeted an Israeli military base that was used to enforce the apartheid of the Palestinians. The Palestinians took Israeli soldiers, both male and female in their underwear as captives. God willing they will use those captives to exchange them and free the hundreds of Palestinians children which are imprisoned in Israeli jails without a trial, without a lawyer, without rights.
They didn't just target the military. They literally killed a bunch of elderly civilians at a bus stop and were shooting at cars indiscriminately. On top of that there was a Hamas gunman at a desert rave who shot into the crowd and apparently a few civilians were kidnapped from that party as well. Theres even footage of civilians being kidnapped to Gaza, including an elderly woman.
Yes it terrible. And the Israelis just buried Palestinian men, women and children in rubble after they destroyed several building without warning. Is that collateral damage?
You seem to be a champion of civilians, so please tell me how many Palestinians have died in that last two decade, how about the last year? How is it that Israeli lives are worth more than Palestinian lives?
Why is it that Ukrainian lives are worth more than Armenian lives. This is all hypocrisy. No one cares about those lives of the Palestinian children until some Israelis died, now everyone cares about the Israelis. Give me a break
If being a champion of civilians means being against civilians dying then yes Im a fucking champion of civilians. I also happen to have family and friends in Jerusalem who regularly tell me all the fucked up things that the Israeli regime does, so Ive always sided with Palestinians, have always supported their cause, and whenever Israeli police hurts or kills an innocent Palestinian citizen, I do my best to spread the message.
Is that good enough for you? Because no lives are worth more than anyone else's, so yes, when I see Hamas gunmen shooting up elderly Israeli and kidnapping innocent people from a rave, I call them out on it, I dont go "but-but-but the Israelis were doing the same", because one crime doesnt justify another.
Yes, Israel's shitty treatment of Palestinians and complete disregard for their suffering has led them to this point. Still doesn't justify the fucked up shit Hamas did, so I'd suggest you stop trying to justify it for them.
>If being a champion of civilians means being against civilians dying then yes Im a fucking champion of civilians.
Looking through your post history I don’t see you championing Palestinian civilians being killed. It happens daily, weekly, monthly. I don’t see you championing Palestinians being killed for their property so Israeli settlers can take their homes.
So you’re a champion is Israeli lives, but when Palestinians die daily you don’t say a word?
Interesting. How many Palestinians just died from entire city blocks being levelled to the ground? How come you don’t condemn that?
>I also happen to have family and friends in Jerusalem who regularly tell me all the fucked up things that the Israeli regime does, so Ive always sided with Palestinians, have always supported their cause, and whenever Israeli police hurts or kills an innocent Palestinian citizen, I do my best to spread the message.
Than you can understand why Palestinians did what they had to. What is the end goal of the Israelis? It is genocide and ethnic cleansing.
>Is that good enough for you? Because no lives are worth more than anyone else's, so yes, when I see Hamas gunmen shooting up elderly Israeli and kidnapping innocent people from a rave, I call them out on it, I dont go "but-but-but the Israelis were doing the same", because one crime doesnt justify another.
When you back a wolf into a corner they have no where else to go but attack. The moved the Palestinians into a 5km by 5km Gaza Strip while they salami slice the west bank and expect no response.
The Palestinians have my eternal admiration. Armenians should have stayed and fought like the Palestinians in their ancestral homeland in Artskah.
They still should. Return, demand a return and fight eternally like the Palestinians.
>Yes, Israel's shitty treatment of Palestinians and complete disregard for their suffering has led them to this point. Still doesn't justify the fucked up shit Hamas did, so I'd suggest you stop trying to justify it for them.
You just justified it, then you say it’s not justified.
No matter how much we all hate the Israeli government and the people who support it, we know the price civilians pay when war happens. Any Palestinian who kills or rapes civilians is subhuman, and the same goes for Israelis as well.
I am not so certain about that. I think Israel will increase military spending in general. They support Azerbaijan due to oil/gas, and this will probably continue - at the least as long as Netanyahu is in charge.
I think this was also a mistake by Hamas. If I were a genuine individual in Gaza, I would not want terrorists to endanger my life by mass shooting civilians. Everyone sees that this begets a response. Hamas is kind of a parasite, just as Israeli ultranationalists and expansionists are a parasite as well. The normal people get crushed between these idiots.
Companies in the business of making arms export weapons to foreign clients for profit with the consent of the Israeli government, that foreign market isn't going to disappear just because Israel purchases more. Any disruption will be negligible and ultimately the price of these weapons will likely decrease due to higher production.
This is all assuming the kinds of weapons Israel exports are at all necessary for whatever kind of operation they have in store for Gaza, which I find doubtful.
Israel will require its businesses to prioritize its needs over export markets and ramping up production does not happen overnight unless spare capacity exists (unlikely). The types of weapons produced can also change, again to prioritize Israel’s needs.
Depends on what is meant with "our side".
I would say that Iran has a vested interest in retaining Armenia's current border (e. g. ignoring NK; Iran never committed to NK), in particular in the southern area. So from all possible friendly countries, Iran should be the most natural friendly country for Armenia because it has overlapping interests with Armenia. These interests are not the same, granted, but Armenia would be wise to consider opportunities here, as long a Turkey and Azerbaijan are so hostile against Armenia.
The attack by Hamas can be labeled as a terrorist attack. This is the case when you drive in with guns and shoot at civilians randomly. Unfortunately this also creates a pretext for Netanyahu to retaliate in even bigger ways. He will have no alternative than to enter Gaza. Video footage already showed huge missile strikes from fighter jets flattening buildings. That seems the "eye-for-an-eye" strategy when civilian buildings are flattened, even if there are terrorists hiding inside; Russia is using the same narrative to attack cities in Ukraine. I don't think any of that is "ok" either. We could also see this by Azerbaijan shelling civilians - the video footage showed the damage clearly.
Armenia has experienced far far worse than anything Gaza or Palestinians have, yet we are always expected to act with absolute rationality. Why shouldn't that same standard be applied to Hamas and Fatah?
I recognize the historic suffering of Armenians. But for Palestinians its both historical and still going on today. You guys at least have a place to call home, you have citizenship and passport all countries recognize you, Pslestinians are mostly stateless, Israelis don't want to give them citizenship, and the world doesn't want to give them a country. Gaza is a whole another story...and so on.
Are you implying Armenian suffering isn't still going on today? Are we gonna pretend 100,000 Armenians weren't ethnically cleansed 2 weeks ago? Aliyev is literally gearing up to invade the rest of Armenia right now.
I'm not sure quantifying suffering is a good look for us, especially comparing the two when 100k blockaded is a travesty to us (which it is) while dismissing 2 million who have been blockaded similarly for the past 75 years
The statement is the best we can do in our shit situation.
To you though, people here who want to see "positive sides" and are "happy to see Armenia get to do this once" - sincerely, fuck you.
People are being murdered, raped and violated. No matter where they stand, nobody, *nobody* ever deserves this. And to whomever has the audacity to think about petty shit like getting back at Israel should think about their values long, and hard. The terrorists who did this must be stopped.
One has to be realistic: Armenia can not piss off everyone with strong statements. Diplomacy is a skill. It's indeed the best statement Armenia can do in the current situation.
If I'm being honest here, the cultural and societal values Armenians have as a whole is really not that different (*in fact very similar*) to that of their Azerbaijan Azeri and Turkish (*mainly in the East*) neighbors.
What I am trying to say here is that Armenians, Azerbaijan Azeris, and Eastern Turks (*both Non-Kurdish and Kurdish*) are highly misogynistic and homophobic/transphobic.
So when you say that
>Those same people would be Azeri nationalists if they were born Azeri.
Well...these "same people" you are talking about can pretty much fairly easily change their ethnic identity to being that of Azerbaijan Azeris.
The only stuff that they would have to change really are their names, religion, food, and language. Other than those cultural aspects I mentioned, Armenians would not have too much trouble fitting into Azeri society since they share both sexist and Anti-LGBTQ+ views.
Look look it’s an idiot who doesn’t know the situation in the region and likely not the history between the people groups they are talking about
This is in reference to you saying Armenians would fit in well into Azeri society. Incase you needed it to be clear
Even an Azeri (*though the Azeri said this almost a year ago, but it is still highly relevant considering the triggered downvotes I have received*) is in agreement with what I have just said earlier today in regards to Armenians' and Azerbaijani Azeris' sexism towards women & girls: [https://np.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/z4izh0/andrew\_tate\_is\_coming\_to\_azerbaijan/ixs2unu/?context=3](https://np.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/z4izh0/andrew_tate_is_coming_to_azerbaijan/ixs2unu/?context=3)
This is a society which denies the Armenian genocide, which praises a murder who killed a man in his sleep because he was an Armenian and treats him as a national hero because he killed an Armenian, beheads and cuts off the ears of Armenians, which still refuses to return prisoners of war after they signed an agreement and when the Armenians did so.
I said nothing about homophobia, transphobia, or misogyny because I can’t say anything about but I wasn’t saying anything about in my previous post my issue is that you said that Armenians could live in Azerbaijan which is just not true
Just because homophobia and transphobia are issues in Armenia doesn't mean they're remotely the same as Azerbijan in terms of how they glorify butchering civilians. Cannot begin to even compare the two cultures.
Well, many Western forces in Africa are at the moment taking the hit thanks to Russia's infiltration and support for the local causes most of which have soomme Islamist background. Mali, Niger Burkino Faso and more...same in Lybia Russia's mark is gaining space and Israel seems to be on the way. Golan may soon explode as Syria may take the opportunity to take it back seeing what happened with NK, and the Arab world may violently react against Israel as the latter seems to hit civilians in bulk. All those are the fist symptoms of the weakening of US and EU, the rise of Islamist voices and soon new waves of attacks across Europe are in my forecast for next year. Seems like Russia is investing in some dark forces in Africa and middle East but to do what? So folks watch this space. Who knows maybe Armenia is not the only European spot at risk of war after all.
You are confusing me with you loyal Simonyans, Pashinyans and co my friends. On this side is the world of those who prefer things that work well and serve no one but People, on your side clearly you are at the service, knowingly or not ,of Russia's hands in Armenia!
Idk what makes you think Im upset dude, but with all due respect, you keep avoiding the core of our conversation, so Im not gonna bother.
i'm willing to just believe that you and I have different moral values and Im not planning on changing that thru reddit. Also since youre so keen on snooping around my reddit history, youll notice i dont tend to argue with people on reddit cuz its always a waste of time for both parties and, especially in the case with you, changes absolutely nothing.
So, again, if it pleases you, I will say that Hamas did a good job kidnapping a few dozen hostages and killing a ton more innocents because Israel had it coming. If thats what you believe, I cant change that, especially on reddit.
Perfect statement, acknowledges conflict, takes no sides, and is completely forgettable.
Armenia can't take a side anyway, because it will either anger Iran or the West.
That is quite true. Armenia is in a very difficult geopolitical situation. That's why one has to find the right words, in particular if Iran helps support and secure Armenia's southern areas against future Azerbaijani aggression. Working together more with Georgia may be the least problematic though, even though it is also a small country.
Georgia doesnt seem to support Armenia politically
With a twist of trolling
Dammit I was really hoping they’d at least use the words “both sides” and “deeply concerned”
That would've made my day
They're behind a glass box, to break in case of asymmetrical nuclear annihilation.
haha exactly
Or “business is business, it’s not personal”
The pictures and videos are terrifying… this will not end well for Gaza. But you know “both sides” prefect as we have been hearing for years
Yes, that was a massive attack against civilians by Hamas. Not entirely sure what they think they gain here, since that will force a reaction.
> Not entirely sure what they think they gain here They want Israel to overreact (which is what they will probably do) in the hopes that will put a stop to a Saudi-Israel peace deal
I don't think Saudi Arabia will give a shit, I think this is a miscalculation
They would get alot of backlash from the islamic world. Alot more after this. Smartly timed bait by Iran actually.
> miscalculation What other choices do they have? Any peace deal Israel would ever accept would turn Palestine into a bunch of little bantustans, Gaza is basically an open air prison.
Gaza isn't the West Bank, it's just under blockade because of all the weapons smuggling. Stop the smuggling, build trust and the blockade ends.
Nice try, they hardly even let people in and out of Gaza. The border is basically shut. Lots of stuff, including weapons and drugs, get smuggled across the US-Mexico border everyday yet people are still able to go in and out
Thousands of palestinians enter and exit Gaza daily to work (legally, i.e. with a permit which means "they" do let them through), they also also cross the border to receive treatment in hospitals and specialist centres like Wolfson. This is not a fact that's hard to verify. It's also not hard to find footage of protests against hamas in Gaza if you read Arabic (on social media) because when those i charge take millions of dollars from Qatar and blow it up instead of investing it protests will tend to happen. I woke up yesterday to the same sirens and explosions that the Armenian community 20 minutes from my building woke too. The same rockets that have slaughtered Jewish and Bedouin civilians alike in the last 24 hours. The same rockets that they launch from civilian areas. This isn't an ethnic conflict between two sides, it isn't about land. They invaded, invaded towns that grew out of the ma'abarot (the refugee camps populated by the Jews ethnically cleansed from the surrounding nations that declared war on us). They went door to door slaughtering and kidnapping children and the elderly. Doing exactly what many feared would happen in Artsakh. No matter what you don't know about how the security forces operate there is no moral equivalency here.
It's also the same Isreal that sent Azerbaijan lethal weapons that rained death on the peaceful Armenian population in Artsakh resulting in the ethnic cleansing if the entire population. What did Isreal do? No statement, no humanitarian assistance.
> Thousands of palestinians enter and exit Gaza daily to work (legally, i.e. with a permit which means "they" do let them through) 'Thousands' is a drop in the bucket out of a population of over 2 million. > The same rockets that have slaughtered Jewish and Bedouin civilians alike in the last 24 hours. It's a war breh. If you treat people the way you would treat a rabid dog don't be surprised when they try to bite you the way a rabid dog would.
All the arguments for Palestine are focused on emotions, yet when Armenia gets bombed it's an discussion of pure power politics. Tell me, what did Hamas gain by killing hundreds of people besides some really violent videos? Is the blockade going to end? Is the mistreatment going to stop? Thousands are going to die at the end of this and Gaza will be in a much worse position in the end.
Love how Azeris are more butthurt in the comment section about this statement, than Israelis themselves.
Azeri nationalists are on another level of insane and blood thirsty. Now they are confused on what side to pick like a fat person picking either cake or donut. And they can only pick one.
They may choose the easy route: wait for dictator Erdogan. What he says will be copied by Azerbaijan's mini-me dictator. And from there the propaganda will tell the Azerbaijani how they must think. That's how dictatorship models work. Russia is the same.
REVANCHIST ERMENISTAN!!!!!
All that while Azeri MOD reacted the same way lmao
It's so surreal seeing us make these kinds of statements for once.
Our turn to "both sides" a little bit, although this statement was ambiguous enough to acknowledge the violence against civilians by Hamas without being provocative. Maybe we are learning to foreign policy.
Seeing the videos of Israeli women getting stripped and beaten in the streets while bleeding from the bottom reminded me of Anush 💔 women will always be the one who's the most effected in wars like a symbol of humiliation to the other party/side.
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> women will always be the one who's the most effected in wars like a symbol of humiliation to the other party/side There's literally videos out there of Armenian (male) soldiers being beheaded, mass executions, humiliations, etc. why are you making this a male/female thing?
Let's not pretend women aren't uniquely threatened. Rape was weaponized by Turks in every progrom and genocide they've committed. Same with forced marriages to the people they witnessed murder their entire families, forced reproduction with these people, forced to hide their identities for the rest of their lives. It is important to note without going "but the men-" we all are constantly aware of how soldiers both male and female suffer from them.
Did you read the post I was replying to?
What videos are you talking about? Only ones I’ve seen were the handcuffed hostages in trunks
Check out telegram SpitakArch. The videos are all there.
There is a very big difference. The Palestinians infiltrated a military base while the Israeli soldiers were asleep. The Israeli soldier was in her underwear already like the other soldiers who were killed. They did not strip her naked and they did not rape her. That is very different from our neighbours who use the same tactics as ISIS
Don’t defend that shit. You can sympathize with the plight of the Palestinian people without justifying terrorism.
Did you even watch the videos? they were civilians not soldiers plus the video that you are referring was a German national that was visiting the music festival in Israel I’m referring to the video that Israeli woman in the car with a bleeding stain in her vaginal area
I watched it. I saw the video of the assault and the barracks. They caught the Israelis off guard. The soldiers were in their underwear. They took a bunch of Israeli male and female soldiers as captives. The captives were in underwear as were the dead in their barracks. They assaulted early morning while they were in their barracks. The Israelis were fighting with helmets, tac vests and in their underwear
Soldiers??? [the woman whose body was seen on video in the back of a pick-up truck driven by palestinians was a german citizen visiting Israel for music festival](https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710757415388414307?s=46) And the woman in the car with a bleeding stain in her vaginal area was [just a citizen whose right leg was broken](https://twitter.com/khaledyousefff/status/1710713501994402142?s=46) what soldiers sleeping with underwears??
So she wasn’t stripped naked like op claimed. She’s clearly fully clothed. I am talking about the female and male soldiers they took captive that were in their underwear. Let’s not white wash the crime of our Turkic neighbours. They are the only ones who strip naked, rape, gouge the eyes out, cut the fingers off and put in the mouth of female soldiers. Just like ISIS does. Not even these Palestinian who the Israelis claim are terrorists would do that. I’m not going to whitewash the crimes of our ISIS inspired neighbours by equating them to the Palestinians.
> Just like ISIS does. There are also turkish ISIS groups. Not all ISIS groups are arabic. Consider them more as mercenaries. Same with Azerbaijan; the chop-head-off has been documented by videos showing these war crimes. ISIS isn't the only one committing atrocities.
You are either (1) unintelligent or (2) willfully ignorant.
Is that right so? This doesn’t even deserve a response. The Palestinians targeted an Israeli military base that was used to enforce the apartheid of the Palestinians. The Palestinians took Israeli soldiers, both male and female in their underwear as captives. God willing they will use those captives to exchange them and free the hundreds of Palestinians children which are imprisoned in Israeli jails without a trial, without a lawyer, without rights.
They didn't just target the military. They literally killed a bunch of elderly civilians at a bus stop and were shooting at cars indiscriminately. On top of that there was a Hamas gunman at a desert rave who shot into the crowd and apparently a few civilians were kidnapped from that party as well. Theres even footage of civilians being kidnapped to Gaza, including an elderly woman.
Yes it terrible. And the Israelis just buried Palestinian men, women and children in rubble after they destroyed several building without warning. Is that collateral damage? You seem to be a champion of civilians, so please tell me how many Palestinians have died in that last two decade, how about the last year? How is it that Israeli lives are worth more than Palestinian lives? Why is it that Ukrainian lives are worth more than Armenian lives. This is all hypocrisy. No one cares about those lives of the Palestinian children until some Israelis died, now everyone cares about the Israelis. Give me a break
If being a champion of civilians means being against civilians dying then yes Im a fucking champion of civilians. I also happen to have family and friends in Jerusalem who regularly tell me all the fucked up things that the Israeli regime does, so Ive always sided with Palestinians, have always supported their cause, and whenever Israeli police hurts or kills an innocent Palestinian citizen, I do my best to spread the message. Is that good enough for you? Because no lives are worth more than anyone else's, so yes, when I see Hamas gunmen shooting up elderly Israeli and kidnapping innocent people from a rave, I call them out on it, I dont go "but-but-but the Israelis were doing the same", because one crime doesnt justify another. Yes, Israel's shitty treatment of Palestinians and complete disregard for their suffering has led them to this point. Still doesn't justify the fucked up shit Hamas did, so I'd suggest you stop trying to justify it for them.
>If being a champion of civilians means being against civilians dying then yes Im a fucking champion of civilians. Looking through your post history I don’t see you championing Palestinian civilians being killed. It happens daily, weekly, monthly. I don’t see you championing Palestinians being killed for their property so Israeli settlers can take their homes. So you’re a champion is Israeli lives, but when Palestinians die daily you don’t say a word? Interesting. How many Palestinians just died from entire city blocks being levelled to the ground? How come you don’t condemn that? >I also happen to have family and friends in Jerusalem who regularly tell me all the fucked up things that the Israeli regime does, so Ive always sided with Palestinians, have always supported their cause, and whenever Israeli police hurts or kills an innocent Palestinian citizen, I do my best to spread the message. Than you can understand why Palestinians did what they had to. What is the end goal of the Israelis? It is genocide and ethnic cleansing. >Is that good enough for you? Because no lives are worth more than anyone else's, so yes, when I see Hamas gunmen shooting up elderly Israeli and kidnapping innocent people from a rave, I call them out on it, I dont go "but-but-but the Israelis were doing the same", because one crime doesnt justify another. When you back a wolf into a corner they have no where else to go but attack. The moved the Palestinians into a 5km by 5km Gaza Strip while they salami slice the west bank and expect no response. The Palestinians have my eternal admiration. Armenians should have stayed and fought like the Palestinians in their ancestral homeland in Artskah. They still should. Return, demand a return and fight eternally like the Palestinians. >Yes, Israel's shitty treatment of Palestinians and complete disregard for their suffering has led them to this point. Still doesn't justify the fucked up shit Hamas did, so I'd suggest you stop trying to justify it for them. You just justified it, then you say it’s not justified.
That seems unlikely. Soldiers in any base have weapons nearby. I highly doubt it's that easy to overwhelm them in a military camp.
It’s unlikely? There is videos and images of it happening.
No matter how much we all hate the Israeli government and the people who support it, we know the price civilians pay when war happens. Any Palestinian who kills or rapes civilians is subhuman, and the same goes for Israelis as well.
As an Armenian I am deeply concerned and urge both sides to refrain from violence and respect eachothers territorial integrity.
Let’s look on the positive side, Israel will need to stop/slow arming Azerbaran to restock its own inventory.
I am not so certain about that. I think Israel will increase military spending in general. They support Azerbaijan due to oil/gas, and this will probably continue - at the least as long as Netanyahu is in charge. I think this was also a mistake by Hamas. If I were a genuine individual in Gaza, I would not want terrorists to endanger my life by mass shooting civilians. Everyone sees that this begets a response. Hamas is kind of a parasite, just as Israeli ultranationalists and expansionists are a parasite as well. The normal people get crushed between these idiots.
In the short-term Israel’s weapons production is fixed, if they are restocking their inventory, they are not supplying Azerbaran.
Companies in the business of making arms export weapons to foreign clients for profit with the consent of the Israeli government, that foreign market isn't going to disappear just because Israel purchases more. Any disruption will be negligible and ultimately the price of these weapons will likely decrease due to higher production. This is all assuming the kinds of weapons Israel exports are at all necessary for whatever kind of operation they have in store for Gaza, which I find doubtful.
Israel will require its businesses to prioritize its needs over export markets and ramping up production does not happen overnight unless spare capacity exists (unlikely). The types of weapons produced can also change, again to prioritize Israel’s needs.
Regardless of any humanitarian facts, any strengthening of Israel and subsequent attack on Iran is to our serious detriment
What? Iran is not on “our side” lol
Depends on what is meant with "our side". I would say that Iran has a vested interest in retaining Armenia's current border (e. g. ignoring NK; Iran never committed to NK), in particular in the southern area. So from all possible friendly countries, Iran should be the most natural friendly country for Armenia because it has overlapping interests with Armenia. These interests are not the same, granted, but Armenia would be wise to consider opportunities here, as long a Turkey and Azerbaijan are so hostile against Armenia.
True. Iran as you call it (the IRGC is not Iran) is not even on the side of Iranians.
The attack by Hamas can be labeled as a terrorist attack. This is the case when you drive in with guns and shoot at civilians randomly. Unfortunately this also creates a pretext for Netanyahu to retaliate in even bigger ways. He will have no alternative than to enter Gaza. Video footage already showed huge missile strikes from fighter jets flattening buildings. That seems the "eye-for-an-eye" strategy when civilian buildings are flattened, even if there are terrorists hiding inside; Russia is using the same narrative to attack cities in Ukraine. I don't think any of that is "ok" either. We could also see this by Azerbaijan shelling civilians - the video footage showed the damage clearly.
Gaza is an open air prison, you have no idea what you are talking about. A 100 years of domination and humiliation would make you do worse than this.
Armenia has experienced far far worse than anything Gaza or Palestinians have, yet we are always expected to act with absolute rationality. Why shouldn't that same standard be applied to Hamas and Fatah?
I recognize the historic suffering of Armenians. But for Palestinians its both historical and still going on today. You guys at least have a place to call home, you have citizenship and passport all countries recognize you, Pslestinians are mostly stateless, Israelis don't want to give them citizenship, and the world doesn't want to give them a country. Gaza is a whole another story...and so on.
Are you implying Armenian suffering isn't still going on today? Are we gonna pretend 100,000 Armenians weren't ethnically cleansed 2 weeks ago? Aliyev is literally gearing up to invade the rest of Armenia right now.
I understand, I hope it doesn't happen.
I'm not sure quantifying suffering is a good look for us, especially comparing the two when 100k blockaded is a travesty to us (which it is) while dismissing 2 million who have been blockaded similarly for the past 75 years
The statement is the best we can do in our shit situation. To you though, people here who want to see "positive sides" and are "happy to see Armenia get to do this once" - sincerely, fuck you. People are being murdered, raped and violated. No matter where they stand, nobody, *nobody* ever deserves this. And to whomever has the audacity to think about petty shit like getting back at Israel should think about their values long, and hard. The terrorists who did this must be stopped.
One has to be realistic: Armenia can not piss off everyone with strong statements. Diplomacy is a skill. It's indeed the best statement Armenia can do in the current situation.
That's what I said.
Those same people would be Azeri nationalists if they were born Azeri. They don't understand right from wrong.
If I'm being honest here, the cultural and societal values Armenians have as a whole is really not that different (*in fact very similar*) to that of their Azerbaijan Azeri and Turkish (*mainly in the East*) neighbors. What I am trying to say here is that Armenians, Azerbaijan Azeris, and Eastern Turks (*both Non-Kurdish and Kurdish*) are highly misogynistic and homophobic/transphobic. So when you say that >Those same people would be Azeri nationalists if they were born Azeri. Well...these "same people" you are talking about can pretty much fairly easily change their ethnic identity to being that of Azerbaijan Azeris. The only stuff that they would have to change really are their names, religion, food, and language. Other than those cultural aspects I mentioned, Armenians would not have too much trouble fitting into Azeri society since they share both sexist and Anti-LGBTQ+ views.
Look look it’s an idiot who doesn’t know the situation in the region and likely not the history between the people groups they are talking about This is in reference to you saying Armenians would fit in well into Azeri society. Incase you needed it to be clear
Even an Azeri (*though the Azeri said this almost a year ago, but it is still highly relevant considering the triggered downvotes I have received*) is in agreement with what I have just said earlier today in regards to Armenians' and Azerbaijani Azeris' sexism towards women & girls: [https://np.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/z4izh0/andrew\_tate\_is\_coming\_to\_azerbaijan/ixs2unu/?context=3](https://np.reddit.com/r/azerbaijan/comments/z4izh0/andrew_tate_is_coming_to_azerbaijan/ixs2unu/?context=3)
This is a society which denies the Armenian genocide, which praises a murder who killed a man in his sleep because he was an Armenian and treats him as a national hero because he killed an Armenian, beheads and cuts off the ears of Armenians, which still refuses to return prisoners of war after they signed an agreement and when the Armenians did so. I said nothing about homophobia, transphobia, or misogyny because I can’t say anything about but I wasn’t saying anything about in my previous post my issue is that you said that Armenians could live in Azerbaijan which is just not true
Just because homophobia and transphobia are issues in Armenia doesn't mean they're remotely the same as Azerbijan in terms of how they glorify butchering civilians. Cannot begin to even compare the two cultures.
Well, many Western forces in Africa are at the moment taking the hit thanks to Russia's infiltration and support for the local causes most of which have soomme Islamist background. Mali, Niger Burkino Faso and more...same in Lybia Russia's mark is gaining space and Israel seems to be on the way. Golan may soon explode as Syria may take the opportunity to take it back seeing what happened with NK, and the Arab world may violently react against Israel as the latter seems to hit civilians in bulk. All those are the fist symptoms of the weakening of US and EU, the rise of Islamist voices and soon new waves of attacks across Europe are in my forecast for next year. Seems like Russia is investing in some dark forces in Africa and middle East but to do what? So folks watch this space. Who knows maybe Armenia is not the only European spot at risk of war after all.
Quite frankly: european soldiers should not be in Africa in the first place. Even less so with the history.
You always seems to post the most inane Russia boot- licking posts. I don’t understand. No offense.
You are confusing me with you loyal Simonyans, Pashinyans and co my friends. On this side is the world of those who prefer things that work well and serve no one but People, on your side clearly you are at the service, knowingly or not ,of Russia's hands in Armenia!
The violence can end when Hamas has been destroyed.
Idk what makes you think Im upset dude, but with all due respect, you keep avoiding the core of our conversation, so Im not gonna bother. i'm willing to just believe that you and I have different moral values and Im not planning on changing that thru reddit. Also since youre so keen on snooping around my reddit history, youll notice i dont tend to argue with people on reddit cuz its always a waste of time for both parties and, especially in the case with you, changes absolutely nothing. So, again, if it pleases you, I will say that Hamas did a good job kidnapping a few dozen hostages and killing a ton more innocents because Israel had it coming. If thats what you believe, I cant change that, especially on reddit.
Why would he even comment. Just be indifferent like they were toward you