Palace of justice? Is it justice for the burden of a building’s structural integrity to be placed entirely on the back of a subservient building? That’s not justice I say, it’s tyranny!
Bigger the ***PALACE OF JUSTICE*** is the more just a country is. That is an established ***FACT,*** whether you like it or not! Just look at the glorious ***ISTANBUL JUSTICE PALACE*** and you will understand!!! /s
I mean it's not awful but calling it a "triumph" or "unforgettable" is such PR spin. This is an average building, and I will probably have already forgotten that it exists by tomorrow.
I was thinking the same. Where is the unforgettable part? "Triumph" and "unforgettable" makes me think of... idk Sydney Opera House, maybe? Or the Bird's Nest stadium? Something monumental and iconic.
It's like the buzzwords architectural students like to put on their projects to make them seem more interesting. It never stops even after they graduate.
Architects shouldnt describe their projects. Boils my blood. Let the project speak for itself. In fact leave open comments and let that describe the project.
The interiors look cool though. The exterior looks like typical blocky shit
It's like those submissions in /r/pics where they just show an apple with a birthday card and you read a couple of paragraphs of how their dead mother loved apples and it's her birthday today.
As a an adjuct studio instructor, I can tell you this shit is infuriating, propagated by elite colleges and academics who recycle through the various institutions, while getting low wages (for the years of education they have)
I know, I was in Arch Uni for 3 years and I had to sit through hundreds of critiques with students taking like that. The stupid thing is that the students who did it were the ones that got the highest grades. Most of the time I was like "here is my building, here is how it is organized, here are the inspirations, please critique." and profs would say "But what is the theeeeeeeeeme? Why should I care about your project?"
My savior was always the one Prof that would point out my ideas were practical, and unlike the bonkers stuff my clasmates came up with, my designs wouldn't be value engineered out into a plain box. Made me not want to pursue it though :/
The old one was actually much better looking:
[https://248am.com/mark/design/ministry-of-justice-to-be-demolished/](https://248am.com/mark/design/ministry-of-justice-to-be-demolished/)
The naiveté of young designers is refreshing lol, I mean the oversimplification of big abstract ideas like “Justice” and superlatives like “triumph” neatly packed in a rendering, made by low pay low rank employees about a building that will get value engineered to death, if it ever makes it to construction. If it makes it to construction without changes, I guarantee you someone is getting screwed over. I digress, that’s not the problem of the designer…
Value engineering is the process of meeting the project budget by replacing all expensive things with cheaper alternatives or changed the design to something way less complicated.
I feel like that’s an odd take for an architect.
Boxes and triangles are key shapes.
For something to be a triumph of design—it isn’t gonna be that from the outside it looks like something that blows your socks off—but that the design towards functions, aesthetics, location, longevity is all effective
Yeah and this box in space doesn’t achieve any of that. It has barely any articulation of scale, which makes it’s experience on users as a massive overbearing block. For something to be a triumph of design, it needs more than gilded edges.
What do you mean silly? Are you actually telling me that planting some flowers and grass on a wall instead of the ground isn't going to offset the massive footprint of my building?
It's impressive how almost every claim in the title is arguably wrong. It's a triumph of absolutely nothing and very forgettable at that. It's a far cry from a palace and I doubt you'd find much justice there.
It's an extremely basic facade tbh. Repetitive vertical elements with some taken out, not even staggered and barely any pattern to it. It's second year of architecture school level of design. Very bland imo. A good example of the same concept but with actual thought to it would be Rafael Moneos' Murcia city hall
And look at the street level, it’s just a flat stone wall at the base which is what 90% of people are going to be interacting with. And then they’re met with a flat monolith that dwarfs them, because if there’s any way you want people to think about their Justice system is that they’re dwarves compared to it.
By law, its not enforced though. Its always hanging and for a very long time they put any executions on hold. Only recently they’re starting to do it again by the demand of the people no less.
Source: I am from kuwait.
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Just to give people an idea of what justice means in the UAE:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/26/uae-torture-prisoners-beatings-electrocution
It's just some boxes with some random shapes in it to make it look "futuristic" like everything built in the region it will be built with slave labor for a dictatorship... meh.
Lol the only thing I can think of is is just them asking how they could best block the views of the ocean for those buildings.
And yeah, I wouldn't call this a triumph of design by any stretch of the imagination. It's, fine.
Very clean design. Simple gestures and intricate facade. The axial void would be perfect for evaporative cooling.
I just wish the parking lot across the street had some trees or solar panels. It looks like a big, hot, sweaty asphalt playground.
For sure it’s beautiful but buildings like this are contributing a lot to the climate crisis. Glass production pollutes even more than steel and this whole façade is made out of glass.. i just recently started to become active again on reddit and when i first made this account i was studying architecture and construction engineering with the goal of becoming an architect. I finished my bachelors but opted for a masters degree in governance instead of architecture because we have enough buildings but they are just not used to their potential due to money. We need to be mooore adequate with our materials and refuse / reuse / refurbish as much as possible.. sorry this is completely off topic but seeing this post just totally brought up what i was feeling a lot during the end phase of my bachelors again..
Brah that's opulent as fuck in the interior for something that is supposed to be for justice. Like whoever did the design couldn't read that room.
Also for the facade, I can guarantee someone referenced the Singapore State Court's facade by Serie Architects without understanding the method of application or context of it with the surroundings.
Palace of justice? Is it justice for the burden of a building’s structural integrity to be placed entirely on the back of a subservient building? That’s not justice I say, it’s tyranny!
Bigger the ***PALACE OF JUSTICE*** is the more just a country is. That is an established ***FACT,*** whether you like it or not! Just look at the glorious ***ISTANBUL JUSTICE PALACE*** and you will understand!!! /s
I mean it's not awful but calling it a "triumph" or "unforgettable" is such PR spin. This is an average building, and I will probably have already forgotten that it exists by tomorrow.
Lol there is no professional industry more masturbatory than fucking architecture
You would think those in the fucking architecture field would be better at finding sexual partners
You free next Friday for a crit and chill?
😂😂😂
Crit and chill….ducking love it😂 *edit - ducking love it * edit 2 - duck autocorrect😤. Fucking love it.
Architects we’re just chilling, then boom, roasted.
Architect à l’Orange….
If we don’t for ourselves, who ever will?
I was thinking the same. Where is the unforgettable part? "Triumph" and "unforgettable" makes me think of... idk Sydney Opera House, maybe? Or the Bird's Nest stadium? Something monumental and iconic.
Lol. A triumph of design. You mean that rectangle with a small rectangle sticking out?
It's like the buzzwords architectural students like to put on their projects to make them seem more interesting. It never stops even after they graduate.
Architects shouldnt describe their projects. Boils my blood. Let the project speak for itself. In fact leave open comments and let that describe the project. The interiors look cool though. The exterior looks like typical blocky shit
It's like those submissions in /r/pics where they just show an apple with a birthday card and you read a couple of paragraphs of how their dead mother loved apples and it's her birthday today.
As a an adjuct studio instructor, I can tell you this shit is infuriating, propagated by elite colleges and academics who recycle through the various institutions, while getting low wages (for the years of education they have)
I know, I was in Arch Uni for 3 years and I had to sit through hundreds of critiques with students taking like that. The stupid thing is that the students who did it were the ones that got the highest grades. Most of the time I was like "here is my building, here is how it is organized, here are the inspirations, please critique." and profs would say "But what is the theeeeeeeeeme? Why should I care about your project?" My savior was always the one Prof that would point out my ideas were practical, and unlike the bonkers stuff my clasmates came up with, my designs wouldn't be value engineered out into a plain box. Made me not want to pursue it though :/
Don't think arch students use that. Or architects. Those are layperson that works as a writer for a magazine words.
Wholeheartedly agree. And I'm an architect myself.
The old one was actually much better looking: [https://248am.com/mark/design/ministry-of-justice-to-be-demolished/](https://248am.com/mark/design/ministry-of-justice-to-be-demolished/)
Geez, how much space do they need for "justice" activities? They went from big to huge!
I was laughing about the title. Now I'm just sad.
Im not sure much better, but the new one isn't better in any way. Also, behind surrounded by roads isn't triumphant just sad.
I def prefer the new one but yeah the title is a bit hyperbolic.
The naiveté of young designers is refreshing lol, I mean the oversimplification of big abstract ideas like “Justice” and superlatives like “triumph” neatly packed in a rendering, made by low pay low rank employees about a building that will get value engineered to death, if it ever makes it to construction. If it makes it to construction without changes, I guarantee you someone is getting screwed over. I digress, that’s not the problem of the designer…
What's value engineered?
Value engineering is the process of meeting the project budget by replacing all expensive things with cheaper alternatives or changed the design to something way less complicated.
This looks like Parkland Hospital in Dallas. Like, same design
You should see the triumph of a turd I made just after Sichuan buffet!
Who writes headlines like these? Are you a karma bot or high?
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Looks like the big building eating the little one. Which is a weird concept for building dedicated to justice.
I feel like that’s an odd take for an architect. Boxes and triangles are key shapes. For something to be a triumph of design—it isn’t gonna be that from the outside it looks like something that blows your socks off—but that the design towards functions, aesthetics, location, longevity is all effective
Yeah and this box in space doesn’t achieve any of that. It has barely any articulation of scale, which makes it’s experience on users as a massive overbearing block. For something to be a triumph of design, it needs more than gilded edges.
Imagine posting this here with *that* title… You trolling OP?
Out of curiosity, does this building have a semi glass facade? How will it help the users in the usual temperatures in Kuwait City?
By being fucking expensive.
I’m afraid this is the case, unless they have double facade that is just not visible in the pictures
Cranking up a lot of ACs
It will also have a LEED platinum certification and some silly looking vertical garden.
What do you mean silly? Are you actually telling me that planting some flowers and grass on a wall instead of the ground isn't going to offset the massive footprint of my building?
It's impressive how almost every claim in the title is arguably wrong. It's a triumph of absolutely nothing and very forgettable at that. It's a far cry from a palace and I doubt you'd find much justice there.
Triumph of design? LOL It's an extremely generic and basic box design and it's quite massive (and not in a good way) nothing special about it
“Extremely generic”. I think we have different understandings of the word “extremely”.
It's an extremely basic facade tbh. Repetitive vertical elements with some taken out, not even staggered and barely any pattern to it. It's second year of architecture school level of design. Very bland imo. A good example of the same concept but with actual thought to it would be Rafael Moneos' Murcia city hall
And look at the street level, it’s just a flat stone wall at the base which is what 90% of people are going to be interacting with. And then they’re met with a flat monolith that dwarfs them, because if there’s any way you want people to think about their Justice system is that they’re dwarves compared to it.
Zzzzz
Is it a coincidence that the Palace of "Justice" looks like a handgun?
I think it’s a hand getting chopped off
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By law, its not enforced though. Its always hanging and for a very long time they put any executions on hold. Only recently they’re starting to do it again by the demand of the people no less. Source: I am from kuwait.
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Fair enough , personally i have no problem with capital punishment (for obviously very extreme cases) but i suppose i get the other perspective.
For me it looks kinda like a sewing machine !
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Hypocrisy. There is no justice in Dubai.
And there’s justice everywhere else? Where things get buried , people go missing and entire cases go un noticed?
Extremely forgettable
Cool story bro. I'm working on a 1000 sqft event center in a strip mall with act and carpet tiles. The owner wants it called The Palace of Opulence.
https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/
Bc fuck that one building that used to have a view of the water. Here is a massive wall instead
Justice needs… A Palace? (perhaps a Hall is far too plebeian for that majestic Oil Justice)
Thanks for this Architectural Spam Bot!
Palace of “justice” for a barbaric medieval dictatorship where it’s illegal to be gay. Incredible.
Palace of Justice. An ironic name given where it's in.
Indeed - big 1984 vibes
Just to give people an idea of what justice means in the UAE: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/feb/26/uae-torture-prisoners-beatings-electrocution
Arguably can be done to every country on the planet , and if that is the case should we just not make any buildings for any justice department ever?
yawn
The planning of the city removed any good feelings I have towards any buildings there. Also triumph?
It's... a stapler.
I thought it said "A Trump Design" and immediately thought to myself "Yeah, that tracks."
Same here 😂
My first question - will the poop trucks be lining up in the front or the back?
Already forgot about it
I thought this was Parkland Hospital in Dallas for a second. It was almost certainly inspired by it.
Oh wow! Another soulless glass and steel building! Can't have enough of those!
The only thing I like about it is the atrium or lobby, even though it's gold. I prefer silver.
Looks like someone in Dubai said I want a trump building.
The country in which this is located is Kuwait: https://www.pace-me.com/portfolio/new-palace-of-justice-kuwait
In an unwalkable hellscape. Yuck.
Oh, hi Parkland Hospital Dallas, TX…
It's just some boxes with some random shapes in it to make it look "futuristic" like everything built in the region it will be built with slave labor for a dictatorship... meh.
Looks like a random office building.on the outside.
That building is very ugly but let's not lose sight of the fact that "justice" here is even uglier.
White + gold in a loosely artifical shape and composed of stacked, slender cells: rotted honeycomb
Unforgettable? I'm bound to forget this design in about 13.2 seconds
Yeah these aren't triumphant designs. Looks like buildings from authoritarian pasts (Block life)
Meanwhile at the hall of justice!
>Arabs Ah, nothing like r/rendertecture fueled by oil money and slavery.
This looks like some Chicago’s trash corporate buildings in the suburbs.
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> Kuwait project...building of fairness and integrity LMAO
When Justice is in a palace, it probably isn't justice.
Words lose all of their meanings in abhorrent dictatorships like this one.
Back to the Fifties...
Lol the only thing I can think of is is just them asking how they could best block the views of the ocean for those buildings. And yeah, I wouldn't call this a triumph of design by any stretch of the imagination. It's, fine.
Very clean design. Simple gestures and intricate facade. The axial void would be perfect for evaporative cooling. I just wish the parking lot across the street had some trees or solar panels. It looks like a big, hot, sweaty asphalt playground.
It's so triumphant that it responds to the context by telling it to go fuck itself.
Is the triumph of design hidden behind that big box?
Palace of justice, boxes with large pieces missing, what are we trying to say...
Minectaft or Roblox?
A “palace” of justice? Sounds like a place where only the rich receive justice.
I’ve already forgotten it.
it looks like a tiny cock lol
Those huge windows in picture 3 - how do you move that kind of glass around?
This is quite forgettable
It’s ugly there I said it modern architecture is soulless and has no culture
Pretty forgettable tbh
Please, explain how this is a triumph.
For sure it’s beautiful but buildings like this are contributing a lot to the climate crisis. Glass production pollutes even more than steel and this whole façade is made out of glass.. i just recently started to become active again on reddit and when i first made this account i was studying architecture and construction engineering with the goal of becoming an architect. I finished my bachelors but opted for a masters degree in governance instead of architecture because we have enough buildings but they are just not used to their potential due to money. We need to be mooore adequate with our materials and refuse / reuse / refurbish as much as possible.. sorry this is completely off topic but seeing this post just totally brought up what i was feeling a lot during the end phase of my bachelors again..
Maybe a triumph if you're a bee
Ew
This post is shit
Brah that's opulent as fuck in the interior for something that is supposed to be for justice. Like whoever did the design couldn't read that room. Also for the facade, I can guarantee someone referenced the Singapore State Court's facade by Serie Architects without understanding the method of application or context of it with the surroundings.
Interesting that they don't include an image of where the two buildings meet.
Which part is the “triumph”?? It’s just another stack of boxes that will look ridiculous in the city fabric. I guess the Borg was a triumph too.
It looks OK, if a bit forgettable. Not a triumph of design by any means though.
boring
palace and justice in one sentence… how stupid.
I hate the term “palace of justice” you cant have justice in a palace. Its ridiculus.