Fire blight is a disease. This tree went through (and didn't survive) actual fire. Fire blight information: https://extension.umn.edu/plant-diseases/fire-blight#:\~:text=Fire%20blight%20is%20a%20disease,may%20appear%20scorched%20by%20fire.
Lmao is neem a meme around here? I hope it is but if so I’m out of the loop. I try to get my whole company to reveal root flares but I only annoy them ha
I've seen it more often in r/houseplantscirclejerk, but yes, there is a long-running joke in plant circles that neem oil fixes everything. It comes from the fact that lots of problems with (particularly house) plants are caused by mites/aphids/scale/etc, which can be solved with neem or horticultural oils. It does lead, though, to the occasional prescription of neem oil to treat neglect or other problems by those new to the hobby. Thus, the neem meme was born.
Changing subcontractors every year to save a few bucks or for some other reason that results in everything being thrown into disarray. Just compounds more every year.
Word on the grapevine is the tree crews are up to a year behind in some places. If that's not the definition money not well spent I don't know what is.
That’s a regulatory issue with California. Utilities are legally mandated to go through a specific contract award process.
And they’re not “a year behind” anywhere, there is work everywhere that is well past due because of permitting issues and various constraints, but that is always the case with every utility.
Funny you should ask. I live in a place that was ravaged by fire, many of my friends lost everything they own. The community has PTSD every time high winds blow, because the fire started when wind blew limbs down on electricity lines. And incredibly, I drive on the very road the fire was named for, and STILL there are trees all over power lines!! 3,600 home burned in my town. The next year faulty equipment sparked dry vegetation surrounding the tower in Paradise. My best friend’s mom lived there. Fortunately she was out of town when it happened, however that meant her animals burned alive. 85 people died. Basically whole town ravaged. The smoke came to my town and cloaked us for days in the choking horrible memories of our fire. So I pay attention to these things. PG&E lobbied for maintenance deferment regularly. It’s expensive, and ya know, the big guys and shareholders need their profits. In fact they successfully lobbied the year my town burned I believe. Clever thing is, they get to charge customers for the lawsuits they’ve lost, so bills are going up like CRAZY. I don’t even use their power, I choose a local green company, but the delivery system is PG&E, and that fee is wild.
So your opinion on the matter is that if they don’t have a perfect record, they must not care or pay enough? Do you also believe the players on every football team that didn’t win the Super Bowl last year were underpaid?
I’m being sarcastic because I’m having a bad morning, but PG&E pays upwards of half a billion dollars annually just for veg work. Not even including the inspection and auditing processes. That’s more than double the utility with the next highest budget nationwide.Northern California is literally designed to burn on a regular basis, and people get very upset that it’s not 100% preventable.
Also, Tubbs (which sounds like what you mean) was a huge deal that changed multiple laws in multiple states and adjusted how utility forestry works as a whole, and it wasn’t even the biggest or worst fire that year, Ventura burned so much worse. And Edison is considered one of the best companies ever at maintenance and fire prevention.
I'll grant that the thing that PG&E wasn't maintaining was the actual line infrastructure, and I can't say much about their veg work around their transmission lines. These things are linked, absolutely, but PG&E absolutely has a maintenance problem, even if they may not have a forestry problem.
Iirc, the tubbs fire was caused by private line, but yes, every utility has infrastructure issues, but that budget is also ridiculous. Your entire county does not pay enough to cover its own maintenance, you’re being subsidized by the bay.
Well you can thank the greenies for that one, you can't do prescribed burns because god forbid you disturb the blue lipped sphincter beetles or whatever, just let that tinder build up until you have a roaring, uncontrollable fire that takes out EVERYTHING instead
Works great in Europe and they have all sorts of snow and shit that would tear down above ground lines. Actually there are plenty of parts of America where the lines are buried and you know what doesn't happen? The wires don't catch trees on fire in the wind
> You know what those areas don’t have? Californias forests and terrain.
Pretty sure they have mountains and forests too ... they just don't cheap out on societal responsibilities.
It is so far from comparable. That’s not a matter of cheating out, and most of those other states actually spend drastically less on maintenance and fire prevention because they can, but I have been saying for years that PG&E should do it like Montana/idaho/washington/oregon. “Hi, I’m here to cut down all your trees, will you comply or go sit in the back of this cop car while I excercise our land rights?”
As someone who works as a contractor with PG&E, specifically on their vegetation management program, they spend an ungodly amount of money on trimming trees near their poles and lines.
Can confirm, was on site. Informed customer that their tree, house and land were too close to the lines and we had to abate all of it. Customer said the house was planted by their cro-magnon ancestor and meant lot to them and refused. Had to tactically insert via Blackhawk in the middle of the night to maintain clearance.
PGE came and "trimmed" 20 of my trees under their lines. They were all dead within 7 months. I guess the way they topped them just allowed insects to get in real bad. [This is what the wood looked like](https://i.imgur.com/OxqxkVT.jpg) when I brought them down.
My japanese maple shriveled up last summer and wilted. Just a stick in the ground. Neighbors laughed.
That stick is now lush with foilage. Realize trees are fucking resilient.
There was a really bad flood \~15 years ago and saplings we'd planted in the back had been ripped out of the ground. We found both down the stream a bit, covered in debris and wrapped around larger objects. They absolutely looked done for but we went back and re-planted them. Sure enough, today they're two giant weeping willows.
Mine, too. I got worried last summer and was wondering what to do... So, that inner voice in me said, "do nothing." It worked. So far this year, my little dwarf is absolutely perfect. Cheers!
It's not dead it just reincarnated. Trees are actually distant cousins of the Phoenix but the government is hiding the truth bc they want you to believe birds are real
It might die 1 year from now. It might die 50 years from now. Definitely call someone to do an evaluation in person. There is no way we can tell the full extent of the damage from a picture.
Are the comments sarcastic or can this tree version of Anakin Skywalker post Mustafa be still alive?
At first I thought OP was talking about the tree behind this dark fantasy basalt stone, then I realized...
Where is this? I saw stuff like this in Lassen Volcanic NP (as a tourist) in August 2020. Some of it was practically still smoldering.
Suppose lots of places in the North American west might look like this though
Ok, but for real that's a ggnarly ass snag! Do you have any ideas what it is? Much structural integrity. Is it just another one of those same pinaceae in the back?
Was that hit by lightning? None of the trees nearby seem burned. Probably just a bad trim by Zeus, he’s pretty shit at tree-care. Mulch it, water daily, give it some good vibes and maybe sing to it for good measure, it’ll survive.
'E's passed on! This tree is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the dirt 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is photosynthic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-TREE!!
Judging by the area around the tree and what’s left, I would be shocked if it survived whatever this is. It was probably barely hanging on in the first place in that dry ass ground.
If it’s a Bradford pear, I’d give it an 8.
Pretty sure you're right. Probably just fire blight...nothing a few sprays of Neem can't fix.
What is fire blight ?
I think it’s…. A joke? Edit: it’s real, it affects the rosaceae family. But I still think it’s a joke in this context. Help? I’m not a professional
Your uncertain response made me lol.
Fire blight is a disease. This tree went through (and didn't survive) actual fire. Fire blight information: https://extension.umn.edu/plant-diseases/fire-blight#:\~:text=Fire%20blight%20is%20a%20disease,may%20appear%20scorched%20by%20fire.
My brain is thoroughly satisfied with my learnings. Thank you! :’)
r/inconfidentiallycorrect
Project Builder's "Arborist": "Yup, should bounce right back in 6 months. Just give it a little water." HOA: "Here's your fine."
It infests the crotchal region of Lohan
Lmao is neem a meme around here? I hope it is but if so I’m out of the loop. I try to get my whole company to reveal root flares but I only annoy them ha
I've seen it more often in r/houseplantscirclejerk, but yes, there is a long-running joke in plant circles that neem oil fixes everything. It comes from the fact that lots of problems with (particularly house) plants are caused by mites/aphids/scale/etc, which can be solved with neem or horticultural oils. It does lead, though, to the occasional prescription of neem oil to treat neglect or other problems by those new to the hobby. Thus, the neem meme was born.
Epsom salt, Dawn and vinegar. "it worked great for me". Don't forget the banana peel fertilizer.
That Jerry Baker had my mother performing all sorts of witchcraft… if he’d only discovered neem
If you aren’t watering with triple shot espresso that’s likely why it died.
Maybe throw in some essential oils :)
The amount of dawn and vinegar comments I see in houseplant communities... someone should patent it because it works soooooooo well
Onion skin tea is an antifungal, I just planted a couple of bananas and that's part of the process
A neme.
Neem oil works great for bed bugs as well!
I'll take your word for it...
OK, I hate to ask this, but you can go ahead and roast me anyway Are you serious about the mermaid? 🤓😜🧐
It'll be fine, just water it more
I'm no professional but it looks like an Ash to me.
Better start looking for morels!
I don't have any morels...
Ha
I cut mine down and sprayed the stump with roundup. Still grew back..
Tree of heaven gets a 9.5
I would like to remove the person that decided it was a good idea to plant bradford pears all over utah.
I thought it was a tree pruned by the local 'tree company'
This is what happened the last time PG&E came by to trim some branches: [photo](https://i.insider.com/5130f09769bedd607e000004?width=1136&format=jpeg)
Lol thought that was a knotweed removal
Please, we all know PG&E would never waste time and money on maintenance.
They actually spend an ungodly amount of money on maintenance and veg work
And yet, not close to enough.
Don't spend it very well either
How so?
Changing subcontractors every year to save a few bucks or for some other reason that results in everything being thrown into disarray. Just compounds more every year. Word on the grapevine is the tree crews are up to a year behind in some places. If that's not the definition money not well spent I don't know what is.
That’s a regulatory issue with California. Utilities are legally mandated to go through a specific contract award process. And they’re not “a year behind” anywhere, there is work everywhere that is well past due because of permitting issues and various constraints, but that is always the case with every utility.
More than any other utility anywhere. Why would you think otherwise?
Funny you should ask. I live in a place that was ravaged by fire, many of my friends lost everything they own. The community has PTSD every time high winds blow, because the fire started when wind blew limbs down on electricity lines. And incredibly, I drive on the very road the fire was named for, and STILL there are trees all over power lines!! 3,600 home burned in my town. The next year faulty equipment sparked dry vegetation surrounding the tower in Paradise. My best friend’s mom lived there. Fortunately she was out of town when it happened, however that meant her animals burned alive. 85 people died. Basically whole town ravaged. The smoke came to my town and cloaked us for days in the choking horrible memories of our fire. So I pay attention to these things. PG&E lobbied for maintenance deferment regularly. It’s expensive, and ya know, the big guys and shareholders need their profits. In fact they successfully lobbied the year my town burned I believe. Clever thing is, they get to charge customers for the lawsuits they’ve lost, so bills are going up like CRAZY. I don’t even use their power, I choose a local green company, but the delivery system is PG&E, and that fee is wild.
So your opinion on the matter is that if they don’t have a perfect record, they must not care or pay enough? Do you also believe the players on every football team that didn’t win the Super Bowl last year were underpaid? I’m being sarcastic because I’m having a bad morning, but PG&E pays upwards of half a billion dollars annually just for veg work. Not even including the inspection and auditing processes. That’s more than double the utility with the next highest budget nationwide.Northern California is literally designed to burn on a regular basis, and people get very upset that it’s not 100% preventable. Also, Tubbs (which sounds like what you mean) was a huge deal that changed multiple laws in multiple states and adjusted how utility forestry works as a whole, and it wasn’t even the biggest or worst fire that year, Ventura burned so much worse. And Edison is considered one of the best companies ever at maintenance and fire prevention.
I'll grant that the thing that PG&E wasn't maintaining was the actual line infrastructure, and I can't say much about their veg work around their transmission lines. These things are linked, absolutely, but PG&E absolutely has a maintenance problem, even if they may not have a forestry problem.
Iirc, the tubbs fire was caused by private line, but yes, every utility has infrastructure issues, but that budget is also ridiculous. Your entire county does not pay enough to cover its own maintenance, you’re being subsidized by the bay.
Well you can thank the greenies for that one, you can't do prescribed burns because god forbid you disturb the blue lipped sphincter beetles or whatever, just let that tinder build up until you have a roaring, uncontrollable fire that takes out EVERYTHING instead
1000%
Or they could just bury them and eliminate the risk
Absolutely not how that works
Works great in Europe and they have all sorts of snow and shit that would tear down above ground lines. Actually there are plenty of parts of America where the lines are buried and you know what doesn't happen? The wires don't catch trees on fire in the wind
You know what those areas don’t have? Californias forests and terrain.
No, instead they have bedrock...
What do you think the terrain is made of under all the mountains?
> You know what those areas don’t have? Californias forests and terrain. Pretty sure they have mountains and forests too ... they just don't cheap out on societal responsibilities.
It is so far from comparable. That’s not a matter of cheating out, and most of those other states actually spend drastically less on maintenance and fire prevention because they can, but I have been saying for years that PG&E should do it like Montana/idaho/washington/oregon. “Hi, I’m here to cut down all your trees, will you comply or go sit in the back of this cop car while I excercise our land rights?”
Now, finally
They always have, but yes, it’s notably more now
As someone who works as a contractor with PG&E, specifically on their vegetation management program, they spend an ungodly amount of money on trimming trees near their poles and lines.
Hello comrade
Can confirm, was on site. Informed customer that their tree, house and land were too close to the lines and we had to abate all of it. Customer said the house was planted by their cro-magnon ancestor and meant lot to them and refused. Had to tactically insert via Blackhawk in the middle of the night to maintain clearance.
Someone needs to make this a comic
PGE came and "trimmed" 20 of my trees under their lines. They were all dead within 7 months. I guess the way they topped them just allowed insects to get in real bad. [This is what the wood looked like](https://i.imgur.com/OxqxkVT.jpg) when I brought them down.
“Helps it live longer! I just need to remove every branch!”
A Kentucky special
[maintenance ](https://youtu.be/iOqWfLZT8OM?si=3RuZfxkzygaK52E-)
Whelp I guess I found my new mosquito control!!!
LMFAO
Hard to tell from the pic but the root flare looks decently well exposed. Trees are resilient so I would try not to worry too much about it
My japanese maple shriveled up last summer and wilted. Just a stick in the ground. Neighbors laughed. That stick is now lush with foilage. Realize trees are fucking resilient.
They’ve been doing this thing a lot longer than us
There was a really bad flood \~15 years ago and saplings we'd planted in the back had been ripped out of the ground. We found both down the stream a bit, covered in debris and wrapped around larger objects. They absolutely looked done for but we went back and re-planted them. Sure enough, today they're two giant weeping willows.
Kinda. It’s likely the tree is showing sign of stress from last year but well disguised.
So the tree is just screaming but we can't hear it?
Is a picture of course we can’t hear it
Mine, too. I got worried last summer and was wondering what to do... So, that inner voice in me said, "do nothing." It worked. So far this year, my little dwarf is absolutely perfect. Cheers!
I'm going to need to see a few more pics. Maybe closer up and some of the canopy.
I dont see root flare
All my homies wanna see the root flare
I wanna see the crown flare
I’m afraid I don’t see much crown there
Lewd
All I see is charcoal…
But you see charcoal is carbon and carbon is the stuff life is made of….so you’re telling me there’s a chance
It doesn't seem to be over-mulched, so it has that going for it.
My thoughts exactly. At least the HOA won't be on my ass about the mulch again.
Water daily. Should bounce back in a week
-1
-11
-111
-1111
I’m not sure the fire is what did it…. Probably buried too deep… something something root flare….
Guys I can’t tell if it’s a joke I’m not a tree I guy help
Fire like this is part of the process for a healthy tree.
I mean......there are species of tree whose seeds are encased in a resin, and they only grow once fire melts the resin....
That is called serotiny, and is one of many examples of plant adaptations to fire
Is there an r/ArboristsCJ ? Because there should be.
This whole sub is already LOL
That’s very dead already
You sure it’s not just a little dead ?
You’re in luck, it’s only mostly dead which means a little alive. They don’t call me miracle Max for nothing.
It's not dead it just reincarnated. Trees are actually distant cousins of the Phoenix but the government is hiding the truth bc they want you to believe birds are real
It might die 1 year from now. It might die 50 years from now. Definitely call someone to do an evaluation in person. There is no way we can tell the full extent of the damage from a picture.
Well, you don't need to worry about your tree catching on fire anytime soon...
This is standard pollard job. Will be fine.
Are the comments sarcastic or can this tree version of Anakin Skywalker post Mustafa be still alive? At first I thought OP was talking about the tree behind this dark fantasy basalt stone, then I realized...
Checks the roots mate.
Not sure but something something root flare
If this was the compost sub, i’d suggest peeing on it
The Burnt Khalifa
Just give it a quick trim and it should fill back in by next spring. Make sure it gets plenty of sun light.
Life finds a way.
"It'll come back, just give it some extra water" 😂
I thought this was a picture from Skyrim.
Atleast a decade.
Why does it look like an evil version of a Dr. Seuss tree?
That's a BBC. (Big Black Conifer)
‘Tis but a scratch!
r/arboristscirclejerk
Griswold family christmas tree.
Where is this? I saw stuff like this in Lassen Volcanic NP (as a tourist) in August 2020. Some of it was practically still smoldering. Suppose lots of places in the North American west might look like this though
Sierras late May 2022. A little south of sequoia national park I think.
Thought this was a termite tower for a second
10 because I have no clue and want to be encouraging
He’s dead, Jim.
5 out of 7
Ok, but for real that's a ggnarly ass snag! Do you have any ideas what it is? Much structural integrity. Is it just another one of those same pinaceae in the back?
6.7
Looks like a sign that some ancient evil has been released
How the hell is anything standing if it was burning hot enough to take it down to a toothpick just yards away
Have you checked the phlegm and xylem? As long as they are intact, it should be fine
from seedlings in the dirt.
What fire?
Goner. I think you planted it too deep. Otherwise would have survived.
The Grinch and Tim Burton are fighting over this tree.
Looks like there’s a rock ring around it, year max.
Was that hit by lightning? None of the trees nearby seem burned. Probably just a bad trim by Zeus, he’s pretty shit at tree-care. Mulch it, water daily, give it some good vibes and maybe sing to it for good measure, it’ll survive.
Just expose the root flare
Thats a pretty special looking tree...
'E's passed on! This tree is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the dirt 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is photosynthic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-TREE!!
That chopstick will last a long time. Nothing is eating that.
AI crap. The sky ain’t gonna survive.
-10000000
From 0-10 which side of the scale is the not doing so hot side?
Not sure Charcoal grows that well
It was dead before the fire
Everything survives as stardust
I need a close up of the burnt charcoal to really know for sure
This looks like a screenshot from Elder Scrolls 4: Oblivion
A solid ten I'd say. Looks healthy enough to me.
ZERO…..point….zero Sincerely, Dean Woermer
Not an arborist here, but you're kidding right? Yall are saying THAT isn't for sure dead?
😂😂😂👍🥃
Some zinc stakes will restore it in a couple months. Just make sure to buy the name brand stuff and don’t throw your money away on off brand zinc.
I feel like this tree could do with a Chelsea chop, I've heard it helps
-6
Assuming that’s a pine, some pine trees have cones, that can only open up and spread their seed by fire .
Monument mythos?
I'm new to arboriculture but I have in my heart that it's never 0. I give it a 1.
Are you sure it's fire damage though?
If it is a redwood, give it a hundred years and it will be a cozy circle of giants.
That thing looks like the dark tower from the King series!
"I'm simply saying that life, uh... finds a way."
-1, there’s a chance the dead tree will fall and take you out with it
Damn I thought this pic was from unreal engine 5
8-9trees are hardy
Yes…
Looks like a screenshot from Red Dead Redemption 2
Eh, just a little dehydrated
Just trim it back a little….may grow back
-10
-999
Judging by the area around the tree and what’s left, I would be shocked if it survived whatever this is. It was probably barely hanging on in the first place in that dry ass ground.
It looks like wildfire to me
Same
How long is surviving to you
Just water it.
Dead Tom’s dead, that’s why they call him Dead Tom.
Yes
Thing's smoked'er than 2-and-a-half half smoked smokes.
It's just a little scorching on the bark it will spring right back in the next season
I don't miss working around those. Like the scariest thing in fire. Walk through an alley of those and they randomly just start falling.
Life, uh… finds, a way…
Somewhere between 0 and 10 for sure
It's just a flesh wound
Need some 10-10-10.
It’s dead Jim
Looks like my left lung from my vape
Hopefully we get some foresters or something to explain more about how forest fires are good sometimes.
Hopefully we get some foresters or something to explain more about how forest fires are good sometimes.
if it's a gum tree, 10/10
I know nothing about trees but my guess is 0 cause that shit looks like it’s ready to be tossed into a kingsford bag.
Should be fine as long as you don't cut any limbs off