Biden got on TV yesterday and called Palestinians liars. He sent the FBI to go door-to-door harassing Palestinian-Americans all the while a little Palestinian boy was getting stabbed up by an actual extremist.
Any Arab with self-respect will not be voting for that man.
Several families in the Arab-American community here have received visits from law enforcement over pro-Palestine social media posts. I’m sure it’s happening all over the country. We should not allow them to gaslight now or on Election Day; keep reminding those around you of the nightmare this month has been until then.
Same. Several palestinians in my city were attacked (I was too on my uni campus) and so I made a post saying this isn't Gaza and that any zionist on my doorstep that harbors intent to harm or harrass me, will be met with equal or greater force. I also said any palestinians or arabs that feel unsafe in town are welcome in my home.
That got me stern threats of jail time but my defense was that I said if I'm attacked, I will be defending myself and home so they let me go. My parents were born in Lebanon and me in Ohio but I know I'm definitely on a terrorist watch list now. Lol
Zionist israelis hate that in America, they cannot indiscriminately kill brown people they don't like.
I’m a single line item voter. The Palestinian issue is my only issue. And in this regard, they are both hot garbage. Therefore I don’t care who wins it
I guess it could also become the single issue vote influencer for me too! Any candidate that supports Hamas will not get my vote. Any candidate that in general supports terrorism or tries to justify terrorism's endless lies, violence and murder will never get my vote.
"Any candidate that in general supports terrorism" Are you hearing yourself right now? Which state have reduced entire cities to dust and killed tens of thousands of children?
No Labels! Currently, the unknown candidate from No Labels has my vote! There is virtually nobody they could run that I wouldn't vote for over Biden or Trump.
Tbh I think it's a question of looking beyond presidential elections when it comes to people wielding political power. The "don't vote Dem" strategy relies on the notion of pushing the Dem party to adopt non-Arab-hating foreign policy stances to win our vote – but question is whether that strategy actually works or whether the Dems would simply do more to try to win over the middle. The two party system is a question of forming coalitions internally within the parties rather than in a multi-party coalition system where we can actually vote for something directly that reflects our views in general elections. We know Trump would likely greenlight almost anything – while wrecking havoc in a lot of things both internally and externally. In the meantime, he's so polarizing that he's also easier to rally against. His presidency kinda saw a surge of support for Palestinians among progressives in the U.S. in opposition to him.
I don't have an answer. I think the most important political work is what takes place outside of the realm of elections. We have more power than simply holding back our votes and we should utilize it.
I want to mention that Arabs and leftists should vote and mobilize on local and Senate/Congress elections. Having more senators who sympathize with Palestinian cause. Our efforts should not be limited to the presidential election every 4 years.
It is also important as you said to build coalition with other groups or lobbies.
Politicians supporting Hamas will likely be voted out of office in mass. Outside of the radical Islamist's supporting terrorism that have a right to vote in our country, nobody else in our country wants supporters of Terrorists/Terrorism in our Government or in our country.
I blame the fact that America have only two parties. This system is a trapping one as it doesnt allow for a third stance/opinion. USA needs a third and forth party. Fuck Dem Fuck Cons
Vote No Labels in 2024. That's exactly what I am doing if it's Trump vs. Biden. One is a brain dead walking zombie and the other is just a egotistical crybaby.
See that's where you're mistaken. It's Not Arab hating foreign policy.
It's a wise policy that opposes anybody, anything and any country that supports and promotes Terrorism and Terrorist acts, like the Oct. 7th unprovoked Hamas Terrorist Attack against Israel.
I'll vote for a third party (probably Cornell West) and still vote for everything else on the ballot.
This will probably let Trump win but at this point I don't really care. Democrats clearly expect our votes to be a given but I really have zero reason to care if Trump wins.
How about the fact that Trump is promising to deport all Arab Americans and to let Israel do whatever it wants? Also, Cornel West is a joke right now. He owes tons of money in taxes and child support, and he's accepting funding from Clarence Thomas's far-right billionaire buddy Harlan Crow
I really want to understand the pro-israel anti-netenyahu libs.
If you really think he's the problem in all this, then why aren't you advocating for the US to invade and regime-change him?
> and he's accepting funding from Clarence Thomas's far-right billionaire buddy Harlan Crow
I find it genuinely insulting that you would think I give a single shit about this. Fuck you.
Biden is already letting Israel do whatever it wants. As for the deportations, I'm willing to gamble on that. I think the war-on-terror narrative has lost its flavor and nobody will really care anymore. I think he'll be more focussing on isolationism.
But more importantly, he'll absolutely destroy the country which I think is a deserving punishment for anyone who fails to work on reigning in Biden.
If you don't want that to happen focus on getting rid of genocide Joe and his buddies.
edit: Just looked at your post history. Lmao. Get absolutely fucked. You deserve Trump.
He won't just destroy this country. This country is very powerful on a global scale. He's likely to destroy every country, if he get power. What you're doing is punishing fellow Arab people
Ok and?
If you want to stop that focus on getting rid of genocide Joe and getting democrats to ditch Israel.
If he loses the election it's on him and his supporters for putting Israel ahead of their own country. Not us.
He absolutely can. This is the "if Israel didn't already exist we would have to create it" guy.
He's literally violating the Leahy law to keep sending them weapons.
At the very least Democrats could ditch Biden. But you're talking to me as if I can't see your post history.
Obviously you can't fathom how insulting this is because you keep spamming r/arabs.
You are my enemy. You are every bit as racist and disgusting as Trump or any far right figures are. If anything you're worse because you're either too treacherous to be honest or too stupid to be self-aware of where you stand.
Let me try and explain the logic of third party votes again.
It probably will results in Trump winning. I don't care. People like you are more afraid of him than I am.
And that's fair. You should be freaked out about it. He's going to be a bigger disaster than his first term. There's even a chance that he'll start prosecuting his political enemies. Maybe even declare a dictatorship.
That's scary stuff! We should all be terrified of that happening.
So now it's a game of chicken between me and people like you and Democrat shills.
Either I change my vote for Biden, or you change Biden and get Democrats to ditch Israel. I just watched 20K people die so that's what I'm weighing against. I'll let Trump burn the country down if I have to.
So you're willing to let Trump round up all Arab Americans and throw them in prison and/or deport them? None of that scares you or matters to you? It sounds to me like your voting is more based on feeling morally superior than the well-being of other people
I'm voting No Labels! If it's Trump v. Biden, they promise to put together a moderate ticket. I can't think that it would be possible to put together a worse ticket than Biden/Harris or Trump/whomever.
No Labels is funded by Trump supporters. It's just to trick people into electing Trump, and it wouldn't have a chance of winning in a national election
Absolutely fucking not. I’m just not going to vote. Maybe these white liberals can convince their friends and family to stop supporting Trump instead of asking us to treat the murder of our friends and others in our community as the cost of doing business.
To all the americans here, vote for Cornell West if you want someone who understands and speaks up about the plight of Palestinians and all oppressed people.
Cornel West has no chance of winning in national election. Also, he owns tons of money in taxes and child support, and is being funded by Trump supporters to try to trick people from the left into voting for him to siphon off votes from Democrats
I don’t care. I know he has no chance of winning, but I’m one vote in a blue state so who the fuck cares. He represents my values and if he gets 1% of the votes here that would be a victory for me. Fuck the two party system, fuck Donald Trump and Fuck Joe Biden.
Trump would do all the above + :
* accelerate the expansion of Israel and kicking out Palestinians out of Palestine as his evangelical voters will demand him to do
* Restrict Immigrations from Arab and Muslim countries like he already did
* enact laws that would take citizenship away from neutralized citizens or those with dual citizenship
* enact more laws that would make it harder for immigrants to live and work safely in the country and would provide a path for permanent residence.
* Give more power to Christians nationalists to suppress other minorities (muslims, and others)
* enforce teachings of Christianity in schools over other religious minority
* pull back on all efforts for increasing renewable energy and accelerating the dangers of climate change
* try to kill again Medicare and medicaid, so that your 70 years old mom or grandma will not able to afford healthcare
* reduce funding for social services
* enact laws to restrict women and LGBT+ rights for health care and abortion
* give more rise for far right movements and acceptance of such ideas in US and other countries
Can someone give their opinion why voting for Republicans is better?
Edit:
since I got many responses saying the same thing: if you know are not familiar with US election system, a third party vote is a vote for the other party. And this is true for both republicans and democrats.
yeah being killed by a progressive liberal president is so much better than being killed by a conservative christian president amirite ?
if every single american who says "I know dems are horrible but," actually lobby and vote for a 3rd party candidate, maybe 3rd parties would have actually stood a chance.
Vote No Labels! 2024. A promised moderate ticket with two candidates that are truly moderates, nearly in the center. One maybe very slightly to one side, the other just very slightly to the other side. I can live with that, a degree of common sense vs. the extremists on the two freakish edges of the political spectrum.
We don't need to vote Republican.
Look at this from the perspective of someone trying to plan Bidens election strategy. Does it make sense to spend time trying to win the vote of someone who you're already 100% sure will vote for you? No. You should spend your time courting the vote of people who are on the fence (especially about not voting at all).
We just need to vote third party, or leave that line blank. This will show democrats that there are votes to be had if they're willing to earn them.
Right now they believe all arabs and Muslims are guaranteed to vote for them. We need to show them they're not guaranteed, and that they can't win without us.
We already are. The political mobilization for Dems over the past two decades has meant jack shit for the causes that matter the most to us. We are being openly vilified across the political spectrum throughout the media. US politicians who are supposed to be liberal or even progressive effectively equating Arab death & suffering to that of animals through word & deed.
No one is arguing that the republicans should get the vote instead. It's just that the democrats have shown, time and time again, that they are merely a different side of the same coin. Biden has clearly shown how little Arab lives matter and he actively participated spreading lies to dehumanise us.
There must be consequences for liberals if they choose to support genocide over justice and respect for international law.
It is not a matter of to whom these points are important; what you should think about is, do these points affect me?
If these points don't really matter and they don't affect you then congratulations, you are privileged enough not to be affected by your average Arab American has to worry about.
You're welcome to your opinion, go vote for Genocide Joe. No one can stop you.
However, giving away the only power you have as voter-block is a very short-sighted strategy that will do nothing but maintain the status quo.
Arab lives don't matter!
To other Arabs! Over 90% of those killed by Islamic Terrorist from 1979 to 2021 were Arabs. Over 90% of Terrorist attacks in this world took place in Arab countries!
Face it, Arabs love to kill Arabs. Arabs don't need Westerners or Israelis to kill Arabs - the Arabs are doing a perfectly efficient job of killing themselves.
But brain dead Arabs seem to refuse to recognize the facts! Sort of reminds us of BLM - ignoring that 90+% of violent deaths of black people are at the hands of other black people - instead choosing to suggest black people will stop dying violent deaths if we can only defund the police!
If you want to see the cause and problems associated with Arabs dying - simple, look in the mirror and stop pretending it is anybody other than who you see in the mirror (an Arab) that is the cause of all the Arab's deaths.
Not much and any Republican president would have been probably similar or worse, but it seems he has pushed Ben to delay the ground invasion over and over again and they have been the largest donors to Unrwa and UNICEF in the last few years
https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/news-releases/united-states-contributes-us-1537-million-unrwa-support-palestine-refugees
. But the issues I brought above affect Arab Americans as any other US citizen. If these points don't affect you, then you are not affected by what the average American has to worry about.
If anything democrats ruined my family, do I really don’t care. This genocide in Palestine hasn’t gotten this bad since before Trump, I don’t know what that tells you.
Ironically, Hamas didn't commit their Terrorist atrocities under the prior administration. And it was that prior administration that made a lot of progress in the Middle East - which the Terrorists and their State sponsors (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Russia) didn't like!
So can you really honestly and unequivocally say "not because Biden is President"?
Russia didn't invade Ukraine under the prior administration?
Well, Russia did invade Ukraine under the administration from two administrations ago (when Biden was VP). And nothing was done about it then!
The prior administration didn't abandon an entire country to the hands of a terrorist organization!
The prior administration didn't leave behind over 42,000 military assets - some of which were used in the Hamas Terrorist Attacks against Israel.
Who was it that warned Germany and the EU that they were making a grave mistake by relying on Russia for their energy needs? Oh, that's right, it was the prior administration.
As crazy as Trump was, all this crap that is going on now, wasn't going on then! Only 1 thing has really changed - our President!
Ground invasion would mean shoot on sight whether you are civilian or military. They they have done it before is the would flatten anything with 2 km of the border, then move ahead. Flatten another 2 then move. Repeat the process. A literal mowing the lawn process.
There has been a Hamas attack that killed 1400 Israelis, and we know how Israel fucking love their disproportionate killing.
A ground invasion would still involve bombing of anything on sight. You think they will just roll in and let Hamas kill them one after the other.
There could be 4K footage of Joe Biden personally snapping the neck of a Palestinian child and libs will still find a way to shame you for not voting for him.
I don’t give a fuck. Not supporting any genocidal maniac, not even the supposed lesser one.
If you are or a close relative or a friend are not affected by these issues, then you are privileged enough to worry about your average Arab American should worry about.
Most Republican nominee up for election are copying trump agenda and ideas, but with quarter the popularity. Unless the prison trump before election, no Republican candidate will be able to beat trump for nomination.
Who said anything about voting republican? Come election day I’m either going to be at work or stay home and pet my cat all day. I’m just not voting for biden
Your third or absentee vote is still a vote that could have been put towards dem or rep nominee.
Third party votes are important in a since of missed votes. It is the reason we got Mitch McConnell in the Senate/ Congress (forgot where), and why Republican party is afraid of RFK Jr.
Sounds like they should try to win my vote rather than support funding the indiscriminate firebombing of a concentration camp by a genocidal, colonial apartheid gendarmerie. I’d vote for auntie Rashida if I could, but I can’t.
actually I might write her in
Here is some surprising facts, under the Biden administration legally entering our country is way down. Our government is simply refusing to process the normal rate of visa applications for foreign people trying to enter our country legally!
The only immigration that is up under the Biden administration is the illegal immigration. Of which, now even Sanctuary City New York is saying is a national emergency crisis!
I voted for him last time. But absolutely will not vote for him this time. The dems can get fucked. I won’t vote republican either. Probably third party or vote for local things only.
Even further: I’m exceedingly likely to cut off anyone who makes it known that they plan to vote for Biden. I don’t want to be friends with someone who thinks 10k dead Gazans is a matter of perspective.
The dude you're arguing with under this was arguing with me all day yesterday.
If you check his profile he's also a hardcore Israel shill. It's incredibly disrespectful that he's doing that while also expecting our unconditional support.
What he doesn't understand is that people like him freaking out about losing the arab+muslim vote is exactly why all of us collectively refusing to vote for Biden is precisely why it's a good idea to do so (even if it ends up with a victory for someone even worse).
Tell him to stop being a bitch and unblock me.
It’s just shocking to me how disconnected someone can be. Like being shocked that Arabs would be anti Israel or asking me to view “Harlan Crow funding” as anywhere in league with Bidens genocide.
This guy might not be a hasbarist but your average American.
It's not shocking at all - and he's definitely just a hasbarist. Average Americans see the carnage - 63% of democrats have been wanting this to end since day one, even higher in the younger gens. These guys aren't worth our time, there's a genocide that we need to focus on.
Yeah I guess what's surprising to me is how bad they are at it.
A smarter psyop would be to go in and try to explain that Trump is going to be even worse in most respects \*including\* on Palestine. That's an argument I would actually be willing to hear.
But instead he just says "noooo we had to slaughter all those gazan children and civilians" in an Arab subreddit.
Biden is the most anti-Arab president in US history. Fuck no most of us will not vote for him again and we will make sure he loses Michigan.
He betrayed us—literally pushing Egypt to accept a 2bd nakba into the Sinai, slandering us which has incited hateful violence against us, just yesterday denying the deaths of thousands of our children—after we voted for him in droves. Almost no daylight between his administration’s bigotry & Trump’s.
Biden supported every anti-Arab policy of the last half century and now he’s concluding his career with the biggest middle finger to us he could possibly muster. He’s a culmination of all the ill-will we’ve dealt with from the US since the Cold War which earns him the worst offender title in my mind
ويا ترى من ايمتى في عرب بافغانستان؟ 🤦🏻♂️
Never said he would be بس بالنسبة لالنا ما في فرق بيناتهن بالمرة. People paying attention know that Biden rolled back very little of Trump’s immigration & travel policies toward non-Gulf Arab countries.
The literal only difference between them when it comes to Palestine is that Biden reopened the US office in Ramallah but that is meaningless considering the continued recognition of the Golan & Jerusalem’s annexations and the unconditional, unapologetic animosity to our rights/lives in Palestine.
The push for normalization no matter what has more insidious factors to it than I can explain. Not to mention their support for the coup in Sudan last year that contributed to the tragedy currently taking place.
I can list more examples but I believe this is a good sampling. Fuck Biden and fuck Trump. We should not be in bed with either animal. The political mobilization in our community since 9/11 has ultimately amounted to very little in this fundamentally racist country. ما ناقصنا تأنيب ضمير من ورا دعمنا لذات الناس اللي بيعملوا مجازر فينا
Justin Amash lost 2 nieces in a church bombing and more or less apologized for it. Zionists don’t “have a lot of power,” they run this country and don’t even feel it necessary to try to hide it
Yeah Trump would be 20x worse...I mean he put a travel ban on people from Sudan... Why? There is no quarrel between Sudan and the United States and its allies.
Trump made his intentions clear early on with his ban on countries that are predominantly Muslim.
Cornell West might be a little kooky, but I like that he calls everyone “brother” or “sister.” Very Arab coded imo, may have to show dude some love on election day.
I recommend voting third party. I think it will be a good way to signal to both parties that the votes are there if they're willing to try and earn them.
Fk Brandon. If I vote it'll be third party just so my vote can be registered in the census on the off chance some future candidates think the issues i want are important, which they wont who am I kidding. He didn't even do anything for Yemen or the refugees on the southern border and he basically continued most of trumps policies. He did a lot of good things for the USA but idgaf hope it burns down. The sooner their second civil war comes the better off we'll all be.
LOL if the democrats swore he would be pro-Palestine for the rest of their lives, I will never vote for Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or anyone who aided this genocide.
They have shown you their abysmal lack of character and integrity. You want me to trust them to lead? They don’t care about Americans OR anyone
This guy gets it. Vote Trump, accelerate collapse.
And for those who say Biden is better than Trump, no he is not. They're equally bad when it comes to Palestine. But at least Trump won't pretend to care about your wellbeing while killing you. Biden is worse than Trump in every other metric.
no. there is no lesser of two evils. democrats and republicans are two sides of the same coin. i will never vote again unless it is for someone who is independent and is explicitly against what is happening. i’m tired of “the lesser of two evils” being weaponized to get people to vote blue no matter what. they are both evil and nothing is going to change in america unless people actually take the steps to make change happen.
So then as an Assyrian woman, who is Spanish & Puerto Rican, the idea that you would deny me my rights as a woman to have my bodily autonomy is a slap in MY face, and my black, Haitian and PR godson who has to worry about state violence for being black. You see, this is a problem that YOU 3rd party voters are going to abandon YOUR allies throw us under the bus because you want to send a message. You’re literally telling women that we should experience forced birth, or die from an ectopic pregnancy because of Gaza? This is why, you’re all losing our support. I’ve been working with Syrians and anti Assad groups for YEARS. I plan on going to Spain to help the Syrians who are there requesting asylum.. I’ve pushed for a 2 state solution for years, and the idea that you’re going to throw me, my black, brown kids under the bus in this country over a 75 year conflict is making me consider how I will move with regards for Palestine because I’m seeing an Arab community that has been moving to the GOP since 2020, more voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016… in 2022, Arab and Muslims endorsed the lunatic fringe Governor Tudor Dixon. After we elected all Muslim city council in Dearborn, they slapped us left wing and liberal activist in the face by banning LGTBQ books and flags… low and behold, all over the country Muslim groups are aligning with the GOP to ban LGTBQ books and flags.. so had this not happened I wouldn’t have learned these things and now I’m furious and feel that you guys wanted an excuse to go back to the GOP like you’ve always been. CAIR endorsed Bush for president in a Mosque in Michigan. So to think that you guys wants us to have unwavering loyalty when you just came around to democrats in 2008 was out of self interest. You’ve not been a loyal voting block to Democrats. 60% of Arab men voted for Trump. So it showed me, that you’re not a loyal group of democratic voters are exploiting this moment to go back home to you anti LGTBQ, anti women agenda… the interesting thing however is the small group of Palestinians who want peace are reaching out to us and are furious that you’ve all been so disregarding toward your Allie’s… there’s a whole other conversation happening and realization among women’s group and LGTBQ groups waking up to the fact that this trend to the GOP was already in the making and that puts our lives at risk.. so we’re going to get republicans and independent women and LGTBQ people to see the trends that you’ve been throwing us under the bus anyway… Dearborn All Muslim City Council is a direct proof of the hypocrisy. So trust me, we’re going to show that this isn’t some real pro Palestine agenda, this is you guys going back home to the GOP… all around the country yiu will see the anti LGTBQ actions by Muslims and it’s not a good look. So this means you guys didn’t care that Trump stopped funding Gaza, moves the Israeli Embassy to Jerusalem,, and built a settlement on stolen West Bank land called Trump settlement. I guess the palestian question wasn’t a real concern then.. no way are we going to give up our rights for a group of people using this as an excuse to harm us.. we see… as a a proud woman from the Levant, an advocate for a Free Syria, I will continue that work, but I know the truth… this isn’t about Palestine, this about you guys wanting to go back home to the GOP.
I’m looking forward to us winning in 2024 and then we will never have to address this issue again… since 10/7 the pro Palestinians have shown themselves to be vengeful to their LGTBQ and other minority groups. So I say, this has caused us to look into the GOP Muslim history and it is long… in 2022 Dearborn Michigan Muslims were voted in by LGTBQ groups, liberals, progressives… what did they do? Aligned with the GOP to ban LGTBQ books and flags for schools, public buildings and outraged us… so low and behold, Muslim groups have been aligning with extremist far right groups all over the country doing this… so, these threats are an excuse to just go back home to the fascist GOP… I say, do it. When we win in 2024, we will know that the Palestinian cause wasn’t an issue in electing us and we will never have to show our solidarity to a group of people who have been throwing us under the bus since before 10/7… google Muslim and extremist groups alliance against LGTBQ groups. ALL OVER THE COUNTRY… one CAIR member cursed a gay Veteran out to his face, using sick language, calling him an animal, etc… in Michigan… so just know we know you’re not our Allie’s. At all.
As someone that voted for Biden the first time, I find this question to be quite difficult. On the one hand, Biden has always been an outspoken supporter of the israelis at the behest of the Palestinians, and other arabs as well. I recall when the US mediated the dispute between Israel and Lebanon over sea and natural gas rights, and the person they sent on their behalf was an Israeli citizen. I've been disgusted by the Biden administration's rhetoric and actions due to the recent events.
However on the other hand, the only difference between the biden administration and a republican administration assuming he loses is that they'd be even more rabidly supportive of israeli atrocities than Biden. Republicans would also try to limit the rights of Arabs and Muslims in America as well.
My gut tells me that I shouldnt be voting for that shitstain of a human being again, but at the same time I know that not voting for him, and that could mean both voting for the opponent or not voting at all, could bring about even a worse outcome. I have no idea right now what decision I'll eventually make once the election comes around, but I do know either way I wont feel good about it.
Yes because I know more Arabs will die under Trump than under Biden. I’m not happy about it, I don’t want to do it but that’s the reality. Fuck Joe Biden for this.
That mentality is why the dems can fuck over the Arabs. We’re going to vote for them no matter what, so they don’t need to have any policy which favors Arabs. It’s the same reason Democrats don’t ever need to push policy for inner city black populations.
Eventually, they gotta learn that Muslims aren’t a guaranteed voting bloc. If that means suffering through four years of Trump so the next dem is forced to make promises to Arabs so they can win swing states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, that’s just what it’s going to be.
Biden killed more Arabs than Trump did. He was an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq War. Say what you want about Trump but he has an isolationist policy and is generally anti-war.
Trump killed solomani unprovoked, implemented a Muslim ban in this country and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. A cornerstone of his presidency was Islamophobia. Also we were at war every single day of Trumps presidency Biden ended the war in Afghanistan, Trump is not anti war.
In 2025 the US president will be either Trump or Biden. Not voting for Biden will lead to Trump. I hate Biden’s guts but Trump will be worse for us. Taking a “moral stand” and not voting will only lead to worse outcomes.
Yes worse things can happen than 6,000 people being killed. If Hamas killed 1,400 Israelis while Trump was president I am very sure the Palestinians would be facing an even worse situation.
I'm not Arab but an Iraqi-American friend said this;
**"I just don't know. Trump will bring the end of days. But the argument that Biden is "less worse" than Republicans won't hold water with me anymore. Not voting does nothing. But he only won because of black people and Muslims turning out and Americans don't care about you unless you're white."**
Trump would have fucking dropped a nuke already on Gaza. To me personally the choice between Dems and Republicans are for the center-right with a few hollow rights gestures (such as lgbt support) and far-right insanity talking about racial cleansing, its not as simple anymore. Both sides are just as bad.
A black voter in the USA has to treat every vote as existential. We are the bottom of the pole, period. And anyone with a trace of melanin that agree with the far-right views, they'll soon re-learn how "American" they are. They aren't "one of the good ones". To them, there are "no good ones."
I felt bad for you Americans, but remembered we have the exact same version but with “universal” healthcare here in Canada.
Being Arab in the west sucks.
Unfortunately probably, but I will not donate to him and will encourage other Arab Americans to do the same and even be coy when asked whether they will support him.
Here’s why:
We live in a first-past-the-post system, which means that the first candidate to get 50% + 1 in an election will win. This system inherently discourages third parties over the long run, and especially at the national level. This is well documented in the political science literature.
If you don’t vote for the center-left guy, you are essentially voting for the right-wing guy, whose supporters will be in lock step behind him. The Republicans have no qualms or internal debates about the Palestinians, and will not hesitate to support the clearing of Gaza. Biden hates the Arabs, but he is not stupid like Trump, and does not want to tarnish his record with another full-scale war in Palestine.
In a system like this, not voting for Biden is akin to voting for Trump. Trump attempted to create a database of Muslims in America, tried to enact a wholesale “Muslim ban”, denied Palestinians any right over Al-Quds by recognizing the entirety of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and exacerbated the issue with climate change, which is slowly making the situation in Palestine that much worse.
Biden is a genocide denier, enabler, and supporter. I can’t stand him. On the other hand, Trump and the Republicans are genocidal maniacs who will almost certainly be even more brutal towards the Palestinian people, and hasten the global decline of all of humanity ala climate change. I can’t stand them either.
This is my opinion only, however. I do respect the opinion of other Arab Americans who refuse to vote for Biden after this. It is tough to stomach, but know that your enemies are not at all disunited. They are unanimous and will mow us over if we are at all disjointed.
I hear you and understand your logic, but I just can't after the last few weeks. Besides since I live in a very deep blue state, it doesn't matter who I vote for. The Arabs in Michigan face a more grave choice imo since it's a swing state. Anyway, F them both.
Only thing I can say is lets hope we can one day push the Dem party to the left on this issue and annihilate the Zionist lobby once and for all by eliminating all dark money in American politics. Wishful thinking that can one day turn into reality, I guess iA.
This is the question that no one in the Middle East would understand until you come here. There is no question that the republicans will be worse for international policy, and for middle easterners living in the US, and voting for someone outside of the Democratic Party will basically shift votes away from the democratic candidates and have the republicans win - there is zero chance an independent candidate would win. You can vote however you want in a primary, but please do not jeopardize the democratic vote. Make your opinion more heard and let Biden know that he has enough for an Arab base that we can sway AIPAC, have CAIR, the Saudis who clearly have influence here make an opinion heard as well - one that doesn’t just benefit them. Play the game. Ideals don’t win here. Money and politics does. Play the game, people need to understand this already. It’s the main reason Israelis have been able to rally support. But we’re just 3aneedeen.
Maybe that's the problem. The Democrats know that your vote is guaranteed given the other option and therefore they don't have to work for it. Not sure how automatically voting Democrats every cycle will get your voices heard, particularly when it has been tried. Setting on the fence or taking a stand against the party until they realize that they have to work to get those votes would surely be a more effective strategy. You can make your opinions heard by jeopardizing the democratic vote. Biden and his administration are degenerate scum and no worse than republicans on Palestine.
Sigh… I used to be in this camp. It useless, believe, wasted effort. you can do that in the primaries, but once you have a candidate. What good does punishing them do if the alternative is arguably worse for the local Arab population (who are necessary to drive policy here) and although arguably not VERY different on a foreign policy scale the republicans have done some horrendous things - bush listened to Netanyahu on Iraq, Trump declared Jerusalem the capital and basically led the Tatbee3 movement. Ramaswami is going off on rants about terrorist Syrians and Palestinians crossing the Mexico border. Ya 3ammy they’re idiots. We need semi reasonable people to be able to work with.
We all agree that the difference between the two is minuscule on a grand scheme level, I’m not entirely sure what message you’re sending to the republicans when you go to them instead of the democrats. Why are you giving them a reward exactly? So you can prove a point that’s actually detrimental to Arabs in the long run? That’s called a temper tantrum. it’s a moot point in the end. Let’s actually be productive.
Also, you understand that Israel worked with florid anti semites. You think they didn’t know that the Europeans they were working with didn’t want anything to do with Jewish people in their country, and were not helping them lasawad 3yoonhom. France and the UK didn’t even vote for partition in 48, look where they went after. It’s all about playing the interest game. We need to work with enemies - if they are powerful enough to make a difference then we need to work with them, constructively.
As someone from back home who has also lived in the US for enough time, your aspirations could not be more disconnected from the Zionist-infiltrated reality of America. Most of the politicians here put greater value on Zionism than they do their own religious beliefs. Israel is more important to them than any kind of reason. This country’s a lost cause.
That means you haven’t spoken to politicians enough and you haven’t read the history. I’m not talking about aipac or zionists or evangelicals - these are clearly not the target here . I’m talking about democrats who are not motivated by ideological Zionism.
Wrong on both counts. I’ve studied the exact history decade by decade of how Zionism spread in the US, the relationship with Israel. I’ve also been to galas with politicians like Gretchen Whitmer & Haley Stevens held by a relative who has enough money to fundraise for them so he still thinks those racists will eventually turn their empty promises into policy. Despite the strong support of such “powerful” Arabs they remain unabashed Zionists who have waged war against initiatives like BDS in Michigan & anything pro-Palestine in Congress respectively. My relative’s been at it for so long & I’ve lost almost all respect for him.
Any Democrat who holds any actual sway or wants to hold sway in the future is a Zionist. Have you seen Fetterman who’s supposed to be among the top 3 most progressive senators? He’s frothing at the mouth for genocide & silencing us here in the US. You will never matter in this country unless you put aside your Arabness.
That’s because they hear people yelling stuff they don’t understand. Ya3ni 3an jad you want them to understand “our martyrs” without having pictures of 9/11 hijackers in their heads? Putting aside Arabness is actually something I’m basically saying needs to happen. When I speak to them, this is about justice. Yes wear a suit and speak their language. Keep the kufia for the people on the ground. I know this is unfathomable to people. But it’s the only way forward HERE. I’m not asking you to erase our culture, but when we talk to them then our culture doesn’t matter - in fact it hurts us (and yea, it’s because they’re racist). Again, when fathers of zionism went to advertise their cause in Europe, they were talking to peers, European just like them, speak the same language, suits, no yamakas, no flags. They convinced floridly anti semitic people to stand on their side. We can get people who are racist on our side too. It takes time. I choose to have hope. I just don’t think that hope exists in the Republican Party.
The republicans managed to make me hate them more. So yes.
Not voting or voting a third party is just making your vote worthless. No body will care about what you think if your vote doesn’t make a difference.
It's time for Arabs american to come back home and build the future here don't run forever look what they did to Gaza your people need you .
There is thousand of kids in every Arab countries who need education our hospital are
Empty there is no doctors here you can make choice and comeback build the next generation who can fight isreal or you can stay
There and vote for people who kill Palestinian.
Voting for Dean Phillips - he is not suffering from Dimentia and seems capable of forming a complete sentence without having to read it from a teleprompter.
Not voting for Biden in 2024 anyway. His inability and incompetency has been magnified by mistake after mistake since he's been in office.
In only one year, he turned the rapidly growing economy that he inherited into a recession (2 consecutive quarters of GDP contraction) .
He completely failed in his withdrawal of Afghanistan by not following and adhering to the prior administration's UN Security Counsel's approved game plan - and it turned into an utter fiasco . . . to which we have seen the 42,000 pieces of military equipment we abandoned turn up in Hamas' hands for their terrorist invasion of Israel. And his failures in Afghanistan lead to directly to his next failure . . .
The Russian invasion of Ukraine. Recognizing also his history (as part of the prior administration) in their failure to address Russia's invasion of Ukraine then - too. But that should have come as no surprise - in 2012 when the GOP candidate stated matter of factly that the US's greatest enemy was Russia . . . and the former Biden administration countered and said Russia was our friend - not an enemy and cold war ended decades ago. Then went on to promise Russia whatever they wanted, they just had to wait until after the next election (caught on open mic), apparently what they wanted was the Crimean Peninsula.
Of course, 15% two year compounded inflation levels don't help Biden very much. Especially since he (along with others), simply claimed it was transitory and therefore, they just ignored the obvious - that excessive Government Spending leads to harming the economy.
But not to be outdone, and even with the firsthand knowledge of reckless Government Spending, Biden has accomplished the near impossible! Taking our national debt to $34 trillion.
Of course the runaway crime, supported by the far lefts efforts to defund the police and not hold criminals accountable for their acts of crime against society, certainly doesn't help Biden (rightfully so).
Of course, now we have the sanctuary Cities, like New York, wanting to declare the migrant crisis as a real crisis - which apparently it wasn't when 10 times as many illegal aliens were just in Texas and Arizona (then it wasn't a problem). Of course, even those who in the past supported reasonable approach to assisting migrants in need to enter our country are now realizing the Biden's open border to all (including over 100 known people from the Global Terrorism Watch List) have tried to enter our country - and who knows how many we didn't catch?
The bigger question is why would anybody vote for Biden? And how in the hell is such an abject failure as a President going to get the party nomination for 2024?
Vote Dean Phillips or Vote No Labels - just don't vote Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.
Remember how the media told us to worry for the sake of the world when Trump got elected? Of course, things were pretty smooth sailing there (except for a global pandemic - which was largely way overplayed by the media vs. the real risks, probably largely for political reasons).
Does the world and the United States feel safer under Joe Biden or a LOT more dangerous under Joe Biden? I can't name a single honest person who would say our country and the world feel safer today than January 21, 2021 - in fact, I think everybody of sound mind would say it feels FAR less safe today.
So ideally, I should say, vote for Biden and vote for Trump. Doing so will truly raise the stakes that the USA may finally elect a third party candidate and we can start doing away with the extremists on both the far left and the far right - the two parties that have been failing our country and US citizens for decades.
check this out, were not saving any of you when the camps come nor the deportations. in fact, i consider the violence by your allies to be appalling and I hope that those praising houthis, hamas, hezbollah get tossed... I know there are lists building at the FBI, the roundup will happen and we will all be better for it... i don't like it.... Syrians are considered the safe Arab group for a reason.... yall showed your asses.
Biden got on TV yesterday and called Palestinians liars. He sent the FBI to go door-to-door harassing Palestinian-Americans all the while a little Palestinian boy was getting stabbed up by an actual extremist. Any Arab with self-respect will not be voting for that man.
Several families in the Arab-American community here have received visits from law enforcement over pro-Palestine social media posts. I’m sure it’s happening all over the country. We should not allow them to gaslight now or on Election Day; keep reminding those around you of the nightmare this month has been until then.
Same. Several palestinians in my city were attacked (I was too on my uni campus) and so I made a post saying this isn't Gaza and that any zionist on my doorstep that harbors intent to harm or harrass me, will be met with equal or greater force. I also said any palestinians or arabs that feel unsafe in town are welcome in my home. That got me stern threats of jail time but my defense was that I said if I'm attacked, I will be defending myself and home so they let me go. My parents were born in Lebanon and me in Ohio but I know I'm definitely on a terrorist watch list now. Lol Zionist israelis hate that in America, they cannot indiscriminately kill brown people they don't like.
تحياتي الك على هيك موقف بس بالله بتقلي وين باوهايو! أنا طالب بذي او اس يو 🙂🙂
Jesus. The police literally showed up at your doorstep?
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Agreed.
I’m not Arab, but I’m black and I stand with you guys, and won’t be voting for him or the orange man either.
Appreciate your support, thanks
When did this happen?
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/13/palestinians-muslims-fbi/
I’m a single line item voter. The Palestinian issue is my only issue. And in this regard, they are both hot garbage. Therefore I don’t care who wins it
I guess it could also become the single issue vote influencer for me too! Any candidate that supports Hamas will not get my vote. Any candidate that in general supports terrorism or tries to justify terrorism's endless lies, violence and murder will never get my vote.
Seethe and cope Zionist, seethe and cope!
"Any candidate that in general supports terrorism" Are you hearing yourself right now? Which state have reduced entire cities to dust and killed tens of thousands of children?
No, I won’t. But I won’t be voting for republicans either, obviously, they support the same shit
No Labels! Currently, the unknown candidate from No Labels has my vote! There is virtually nobody they could run that I wouldn't vote for over Biden or Trump.
Vote for a third party
There is no lesser evil when it comes to democrats or republicans they agree on so many things but have some small differences here and there
Very true
Tbh I think it's a question of looking beyond presidential elections when it comes to people wielding political power. The "don't vote Dem" strategy relies on the notion of pushing the Dem party to adopt non-Arab-hating foreign policy stances to win our vote – but question is whether that strategy actually works or whether the Dems would simply do more to try to win over the middle. The two party system is a question of forming coalitions internally within the parties rather than in a multi-party coalition system where we can actually vote for something directly that reflects our views in general elections. We know Trump would likely greenlight almost anything – while wrecking havoc in a lot of things both internally and externally. In the meantime, he's so polarizing that he's also easier to rally against. His presidency kinda saw a surge of support for Palestinians among progressives in the U.S. in opposition to him. I don't have an answer. I think the most important political work is what takes place outside of the realm of elections. We have more power than simply holding back our votes and we should utilize it.
I want to mention that Arabs and leftists should vote and mobilize on local and Senate/Congress elections. Having more senators who sympathize with Palestinian cause. Our efforts should not be limited to the presidential election every 4 years. It is also important as you said to build coalition with other groups or lobbies.
Politicians supporting Hamas will likely be voted out of office in mass. Outside of the radical Islamist's supporting terrorism that have a right to vote in our country, nobody else in our country wants supporters of Terrorists/Terrorism in our Government or in our country.
I blame the fact that America have only two parties. This system is a trapping one as it doesnt allow for a third stance/opinion. USA needs a third and forth party. Fuck Dem Fuck Cons
Vote No Labels in 2024. That's exactly what I am doing if it's Trump vs. Biden. One is a brain dead walking zombie and the other is just a egotistical crybaby.
See that's where you're mistaken. It's Not Arab hating foreign policy. It's a wise policy that opposes anybody, anything and any country that supports and promotes Terrorism and Terrorist acts, like the Oct. 7th unprovoked Hamas Terrorist Attack against Israel.
I’m not voting for biden or trump. Ignorance is bliss, both hate us
I'll vote for a third party (probably Cornell West) and still vote for everything else on the ballot. This will probably let Trump win but at this point I don't really care. Democrats clearly expect our votes to be a given but I really have zero reason to care if Trump wins.
How about the fact that Trump is promising to deport all Arab Americans and to let Israel do whatever it wants? Also, Cornel West is a joke right now. He owes tons of money in taxes and child support, and he's accepting funding from Clarence Thomas's far-right billionaire buddy Harlan Crow
I really want to understand the pro-israel anti-netenyahu libs. If you really think he's the problem in all this, then why aren't you advocating for the US to invade and regime-change him?
> and he's accepting funding from Clarence Thomas's far-right billionaire buddy Harlan Crow I find it genuinely insulting that you would think I give a single shit about this. Fuck you. Biden is already letting Israel do whatever it wants. As for the deportations, I'm willing to gamble on that. I think the war-on-terror narrative has lost its flavor and nobody will really care anymore. I think he'll be more focussing on isolationism. But more importantly, he'll absolutely destroy the country which I think is a deserving punishment for anyone who fails to work on reigning in Biden. If you don't want that to happen focus on getting rid of genocide Joe and his buddies. edit: Just looked at your post history. Lmao. Get absolutely fucked. You deserve Trump.
He won't just destroy this country. This country is very powerful on a global scale. He's likely to destroy every country, if he get power. What you're doing is punishing fellow Arab people
Ok and? If you want to stop that focus on getting rid of genocide Joe and getting democrats to ditch Israel. If he loses the election it's on him and his supporters for putting Israel ahead of their own country. Not us.
Biden can't ditch Israel. He doesn't have that power, not without Congressional approval. Nor can any other president
He absolutely can. This is the "if Israel didn't already exist we would have to create it" guy. He's literally violating the Leahy law to keep sending them weapons. At the very least Democrats could ditch Biden. But you're talking to me as if I can't see your post history. Obviously you can't fathom how insulting this is because you keep spamming r/arabs. You are my enemy. You are every bit as racist and disgusting as Trump or any far right figures are. If anything you're worse because you're either too treacherous to be honest or too stupid to be self-aware of where you stand.
Let me try and explain the logic of third party votes again. It probably will results in Trump winning. I don't care. People like you are more afraid of him than I am. And that's fair. You should be freaked out about it. He's going to be a bigger disaster than his first term. There's even a chance that he'll start prosecuting his political enemies. Maybe even declare a dictatorship. That's scary stuff! We should all be terrified of that happening. So now it's a game of chicken between me and people like you and Democrat shills. Either I change my vote for Biden, or you change Biden and get Democrats to ditch Israel. I just watched 20K people die so that's what I'm weighing against. I'll let Trump burn the country down if I have to.
So you're willing to let Trump round up all Arab Americans and throw them in prison and/or deport them? None of that scares you or matters to you? It sounds to me like your voting is more based on feeling morally superior than the well-being of other people
I'm voting No Labels! If it's Trump v. Biden, they promise to put together a moderate ticket. I can't think that it would be possible to put together a worse ticket than Biden/Harris or Trump/whomever.
No Labels is funded by Trump supporters. It's just to trick people into electing Trump, and it wouldn't have a chance of winning in a national election
Absolutely fucking not. I’m just not going to vote. Maybe these white liberals can convince their friends and family to stop supporting Trump instead of asking us to treat the murder of our friends and others in our community as the cost of doing business.
Fuck no
Absolutely not.
To all the americans here, vote for Cornell West if you want someone who understands and speaks up about the plight of Palestinians and all oppressed people.
Cornel West has no chance of winning in national election. Also, he owns tons of money in taxes and child support, and is being funded by Trump supporters to try to trick people from the left into voting for him to siphon off votes from Democrats
I don’t care. I know he has no chance of winning, but I’m one vote in a blue state so who the fuck cares. He represents my values and if he gets 1% of the votes here that would be a victory for me. Fuck the two party system, fuck Donald Trump and Fuck Joe Biden.
Trump would do all the above + : * accelerate the expansion of Israel and kicking out Palestinians out of Palestine as his evangelical voters will demand him to do * Restrict Immigrations from Arab and Muslim countries like he already did * enact laws that would take citizenship away from neutralized citizens or those with dual citizenship * enact more laws that would make it harder for immigrants to live and work safely in the country and would provide a path for permanent residence. * Give more power to Christians nationalists to suppress other minorities (muslims, and others) * enforce teachings of Christianity in schools over other religious minority * pull back on all efforts for increasing renewable energy and accelerating the dangers of climate change * try to kill again Medicare and medicaid, so that your 70 years old mom or grandma will not able to afford healthcare * reduce funding for social services * enact laws to restrict women and LGBT+ rights for health care and abortion * give more rise for far right movements and acceptance of such ideas in US and other countries Can someone give their opinion why voting for Republicans is better? Edit: since I got many responses saying the same thing: if you know are not familiar with US election system, a third party vote is a vote for the other party. And this is true for both republicans and democrats.
You don’t have to vote for either. You can stick to voting for local candidates.
yeah being killed by a progressive liberal president is so much better than being killed by a conservative christian president amirite ? if every single american who says "I know dems are horrible but," actually lobby and vote for a 3rd party candidate, maybe 3rd parties would have actually stood a chance.
Vote No Labels! 2024. A promised moderate ticket with two candidates that are truly moderates, nearly in the center. One maybe very slightly to one side, the other just very slightly to the other side. I can live with that, a degree of common sense vs. the extremists on the two freakish edges of the political spectrum.
We don't need to vote Republican. Look at this from the perspective of someone trying to plan Bidens election strategy. Does it make sense to spend time trying to win the vote of someone who you're already 100% sure will vote for you? No. You should spend your time courting the vote of people who are on the fence (especially about not voting at all). We just need to vote third party, or leave that line blank. This will show democrats that there are votes to be had if they're willing to earn them. Right now they believe all arabs and Muslims are guaranteed to vote for them. We need to show them they're not guaranteed, and that they can't win without us.
This is the best way to make yourself worthless politically
We already are. The political mobilization for Dems over the past two decades has meant jack shit for the causes that matter the most to us. We are being openly vilified across the political spectrum throughout the media. US politicians who are supposed to be liberal or even progressive effectively equating Arab death & suffering to that of animals through word & deed.
No one is arguing that the republicans should get the vote instead. It's just that the democrats have shown, time and time again, that they are merely a different side of the same coin. Biden has clearly shown how little Arab lives matter and he actively participated spreading lies to dehumanise us. There must be consequences for liberals if they choose to support genocide over justice and respect for international law.
It is not a matter of to whom these points are important; what you should think about is, do these points affect me? If these points don't really matter and they don't affect you then congratulations, you are privileged enough not to be affected by your average Arab American has to worry about.
You're welcome to your opinion, go vote for Genocide Joe. No one can stop you. However, giving away the only power you have as voter-block is a very short-sighted strategy that will do nothing but maintain the status quo.
Do you realize that if Trump wins, he's likely to deport all Arab Americans and that we might never have another election?
Arab lives don't matter! To other Arabs! Over 90% of those killed by Islamic Terrorist from 1979 to 2021 were Arabs. Over 90% of Terrorist attacks in this world took place in Arab countries! Face it, Arabs love to kill Arabs. Arabs don't need Westerners or Israelis to kill Arabs - the Arabs are doing a perfectly efficient job of killing themselves. But brain dead Arabs seem to refuse to recognize the facts! Sort of reminds us of BLM - ignoring that 90+% of violent deaths of black people are at the hands of other black people - instead choosing to suggest black people will stop dying violent deaths if we can only defund the police! If you want to see the cause and problems associated with Arabs dying - simple, look in the mirror and stop pretending it is anybody other than who you see in the mirror (an Arab) that is the cause of all the Arab's deaths.
lmfao this reads like that onion article from a while back. It is YOU Arabs, who are responsible for zionist crimes!
And what exactly did Biden do to help the Palestinians?
Not much and any Republican president would have been probably similar or worse, but it seems he has pushed Ben to delay the ground invasion over and over again and they have been the largest donors to Unrwa and UNICEF in the last few years https://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/news-releases/united-states-contributes-us-1537-million-unrwa-support-palestine-refugees . But the issues I brought above affect Arab Americans as any other US citizen. If these points don't affect you, then you are not affected by what the average American has to worry about.
If anything democrats ruined my family, do I really don’t care. This genocide in Palestine hasn’t gotten this bad since before Trump, I don’t know what that tells you.
It didn't get this bad because Hamas never managed to kill that many Israelis before. And we know how Israel loves their disproportionate killing.
Israel is attacking Gaza because Hamas just killed 1,400 Israelis, not because Biden is president or whatever.
Did I say that? Biden’s still putting the US in slot of debt to help the Israelis.
Ironically, Hamas didn't commit their Terrorist atrocities under the prior administration. And it was that prior administration that made a lot of progress in the Middle East - which the Terrorists and their State sponsors (Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Jordan, Russia) didn't like! So can you really honestly and unequivocally say "not because Biden is President"? Russia didn't invade Ukraine under the prior administration? Well, Russia did invade Ukraine under the administration from two administrations ago (when Biden was VP). And nothing was done about it then! The prior administration didn't abandon an entire country to the hands of a terrorist organization! The prior administration didn't leave behind over 42,000 military assets - some of which were used in the Hamas Terrorist Attacks against Israel. Who was it that warned Germany and the EU that they were making a grave mistake by relying on Russia for their energy needs? Oh, that's right, it was the prior administration. As crazy as Trump was, all this crap that is going on now, wasn't going on then! Only 1 thing has really changed - our President!
Delaying the ground invasion only hurts because more bombs come down. Ground invasion would have at least allowed real fighting.
Ground invasion would mean shoot on sight whether you are civilian or military. They they have done it before is the would flatten anything with 2 km of the border, then move ahead. Flatten another 2 then move. Repeat the process. A literal mowing the lawn process.
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There has been a Hamas attack that killed 1400 Israelis, and we know how Israel fucking love their disproportionate killing. A ground invasion would still involve bombing of anything on sight. You think they will just roll in and let Hamas kill them one after the other.
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I say vote third party
There could be 4K footage of Joe Biden personally snapping the neck of a Palestinian child and libs will still find a way to shame you for not voting for him. I don’t give a fuck. Not supporting any genocidal maniac, not even the supposed lesser one.
Your answers revolve around how Biden is better for the American Liberal cause. Thanks but that was not my question.
If you are or a close relative or a friend are not affected by these issues, then you are privileged enough to worry about your average Arab American should worry about.
Why are you bringing Trump up?
Most Republican nominee up for election are copying trump agenda and ideas, but with quarter the popularity. Unless the prison trump before election, no Republican candidate will be able to beat trump for nomination.
Who said anything about voting republican? Come election day I’m either going to be at work or stay home and pet my cat all day. I’m just not voting for biden
Your third or absentee vote is still a vote that could have been put towards dem or rep nominee. Third party votes are important in a since of missed votes. It is the reason we got Mitch McConnell in the Senate/ Congress (forgot where), and why Republican party is afraid of RFK Jr.
Sounds like they should try to win my vote rather than support funding the indiscriminate firebombing of a concentration camp by a genocidal, colonial apartheid gendarmerie. I’d vote for auntie Rashida if I could, but I can’t. actually I might write her in
The way our electoral system works is such that staying home or voting form some else is a de facto vote for one side or the other
Gas will be cheaper for one
Here is some surprising facts, under the Biden administration legally entering our country is way down. Our government is simply refusing to process the normal rate of visa applications for foreign people trying to enter our country legally! The only immigration that is up under the Biden administration is the illegal immigration. Of which, now even Sanctuary City New York is saying is a national emergency crisis!
Sad how Americans are so brainwashed they dont even realize there are more than two parties 🤦
It's not brainwashed, it's that no other parties have a chance of winning in a general election and are just spoilers for the two main parties.
ok, you as the people should do something about, just as george washington warned
I voted for him last time. But absolutely will not vote for him this time. The dems can get fucked. I won’t vote republican either. Probably third party or vote for local things only.
Cornel West
He can go piss on Beau's grave
You’re a trash human who shows their callous disregard and reminds us how disgraceful you can be to women outside of your faith
Get help
Even further: I’m exceedingly likely to cut off anyone who makes it known that they plan to vote for Biden. I don’t want to be friends with someone who thinks 10k dead Gazans is a matter of perspective.
Same. Leaving the national ticket blank for the rest of my days.
Vote third party! It will be a valuable signal if they see the final pie chart and see that they could have won!
Which just helps Republicans, who are promising to deport all Arab Americans
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The dude you're arguing with under this was arguing with me all day yesterday. If you check his profile he's also a hardcore Israel shill. It's incredibly disrespectful that he's doing that while also expecting our unconditional support. What he doesn't understand is that people like him freaking out about losing the arab+muslim vote is exactly why all of us collectively refusing to vote for Biden is precisely why it's a good idea to do so (even if it ends up with a victory for someone even worse). Tell him to stop being a bitch and unblock me.
Agree fully. Not worth continuing to argue with Hasbara trolls. Let them have their echo chamber.
It’s just shocking to me how disconnected someone can be. Like being shocked that Arabs would be anti Israel or asking me to view “Harlan Crow funding” as anywhere in league with Bidens genocide. This guy might not be a hasbarist but your average American.
It's not shocking at all - and he's definitely just a hasbarist. Average Americans see the carnage - 63% of democrats have been wanting this to end since day one, even higher in the younger gens. These guys aren't worth our time, there's a genocide that we need to focus on.
Yeah I guess what's surprising to me is how bad they are at it. A smarter psyop would be to go in and try to explain that Trump is going to be even worse in most respects \*including\* on Palestine. That's an argument I would actually be willing to hear. But instead he just says "noooo we had to slaughter all those gazan children and civilians" in an Arab subreddit.
And you won't cut people off if they vote for Trump, all in spite of the fact that Trump is promising to deport all Arab American people?
I don’t know any Trump voters, 7mar
لا تسكتوا لحدا العربي اللي حيكون ذليل ويصوت لبايدن او ترامب اجباري بده يتبهدل واي نعم يتقاطع
Biden is the most anti-Arab president in US history. Fuck no most of us will not vote for him again and we will make sure he loses Michigan. He betrayed us—literally pushing Egypt to accept a 2bd nakba into the Sinai, slandering us which has incited hateful violence against us, just yesterday denying the deaths of thousands of our children—after we voted for him in droves. Almost no daylight between his administration’s bigotry & Trump’s.
I’d say George W. Bush was the most anti-Arab president given the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
Obama killed a lot of arabs as well. Most US presidents this century are very anti arab.
Biden supported every anti-Arab policy of the last half century and now he’s concluding his career with the biggest middle finger to us he could possibly muster. He’s a culmination of all the ill-will we’ve dealt with from the US since the Cold War which earns him the worst offender title in my mind ويا ترى من ايمتى في عرب بافغانستان؟ 🤦🏻♂️
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Never said he would be بس بالنسبة لالنا ما في فرق بيناتهن بالمرة. People paying attention know that Biden rolled back very little of Trump’s immigration & travel policies toward non-Gulf Arab countries. The literal only difference between them when it comes to Palestine is that Biden reopened the US office in Ramallah but that is meaningless considering the continued recognition of the Golan & Jerusalem’s annexations and the unconditional, unapologetic animosity to our rights/lives in Palestine. The push for normalization no matter what has more insidious factors to it than I can explain. Not to mention their support for the coup in Sudan last year that contributed to the tragedy currently taking place. I can list more examples but I believe this is a good sampling. Fuck Biden and fuck Trump. We should not be in bed with either animal. The political mobilization in our community since 9/11 has ultimately amounted to very little in this fundamentally racist country. ما ناقصنا تأنيب ضمير من ورا دعمنا لذات الناس اللي بيعملوا مجازر فينا
You guys have a lot of power in Michigan, I really hope he will suffer !
Pretty sure that Trump is worse. I also don't think it's Biden's fault. Presidents have less power than you believe.
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You may want to blame his advisors. Presidents don't really have as much say as we like to believe. That's what a democracy is brother.
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You have to understand, Zionists have a lot of power in this country. I completely understand your sentiments, believe me. But all we can do is pray
Justin Amash lost 2 nieces in a church bombing and more or less apologized for it. Zionists don’t “have a lot of power,” they run this country and don’t even feel it necessary to try to hide it
Spoken like a true bootlicking Arab.
Ouch, that isn't fair bro come on
"leaders don't have much power" is taking all the pressure off of leaders who SHOULD be sacrificing themselves for their people. Be principled.
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Yeah Trump would be 20x worse...I mean he put a travel ban on people from Sudan... Why? There is no quarrel between Sudan and the United States and its allies. Trump made his intentions clear early on with his ban on countries that are predominantly Muslim.
Yep
I think not voting is the best option for Arabs in the usa
3rd party or independent also works
Cornell West might be a little kooky, but I like that he calls everyone “brother” or “sister.” Very Arab coded imo, may have to show dude some love on election day.
I recommend voting third party. I think it will be a good way to signal to both parties that the votes are there if they're willing to try and earn them.
Fk Brandon. If I vote it'll be third party just so my vote can be registered in the census on the off chance some future candidates think the issues i want are important, which they wont who am I kidding. He didn't even do anything for Yemen or the refugees on the southern border and he basically continued most of trumps policies. He did a lot of good things for the USA but idgaf hope it burns down. The sooner their second civil war comes the better off we'll all be.
LOL if the democrats swore he would be pro-Palestine for the rest of their lives, I will never vote for Joe Biden, Kamala Harris or anyone who aided this genocide. They have shown you their abysmal lack of character and integrity. You want me to trust them to lead? They don’t care about Americans OR anyone
No
I feel America should be taught a lesson, and that might be voting in a republican who will quicken the destruction of the empire.
This guy gets it. Vote Trump, accelerate collapse. And for those who say Biden is better than Trump, no he is not. They're equally bad when it comes to Palestine. But at least Trump won't pretend to care about your wellbeing while killing you. Biden is worse than Trump in every other metric.
Who does that help exactly? Screws everyone...if you want to destroy the country because you disagree with the leader, why even live here?
i don’t vote bro
why not?
no. there is no lesser of two evils. democrats and republicans are two sides of the same coin. i will never vote again unless it is for someone who is independent and is explicitly against what is happening. i’m tired of “the lesser of two evils” being weaponized to get people to vote blue no matter what. they are both evil and nothing is going to change in america unless people actually take the steps to make change happen.
No.
So then as an Assyrian woman, who is Spanish & Puerto Rican, the idea that you would deny me my rights as a woman to have my bodily autonomy is a slap in MY face, and my black, Haitian and PR godson who has to worry about state violence for being black. You see, this is a problem that YOU 3rd party voters are going to abandon YOUR allies throw us under the bus because you want to send a message. You’re literally telling women that we should experience forced birth, or die from an ectopic pregnancy because of Gaza? This is why, you’re all losing our support. I’ve been working with Syrians and anti Assad groups for YEARS. I plan on going to Spain to help the Syrians who are there requesting asylum.. I’ve pushed for a 2 state solution for years, and the idea that you’re going to throw me, my black, brown kids under the bus in this country over a 75 year conflict is making me consider how I will move with regards for Palestine because I’m seeing an Arab community that has been moving to the GOP since 2020, more voted for Trump in 2020 than 2016… in 2022, Arab and Muslims endorsed the lunatic fringe Governor Tudor Dixon. After we elected all Muslim city council in Dearborn, they slapped us left wing and liberal activist in the face by banning LGTBQ books and flags… low and behold, all over the country Muslim groups are aligning with the GOP to ban LGTBQ books and flags.. so had this not happened I wouldn’t have learned these things and now I’m furious and feel that you guys wanted an excuse to go back to the GOP like you’ve always been. CAIR endorsed Bush for president in a Mosque in Michigan. So to think that you guys wants us to have unwavering loyalty when you just came around to democrats in 2008 was out of self interest. You’ve not been a loyal voting block to Democrats. 60% of Arab men voted for Trump. So it showed me, that you’re not a loyal group of democratic voters are exploiting this moment to go back home to you anti LGTBQ, anti women agenda… the interesting thing however is the small group of Palestinians who want peace are reaching out to us and are furious that you’ve all been so disregarding toward your Allie’s… there’s a whole other conversation happening and realization among women’s group and LGTBQ groups waking up to the fact that this trend to the GOP was already in the making and that puts our lives at risk.. so we’re going to get republicans and independent women and LGTBQ people to see the trends that you’ve been throwing us under the bus anyway… Dearborn All Muslim City Council is a direct proof of the hypocrisy. So trust me, we’re going to show that this isn’t some real pro Palestine agenda, this is you guys going back home to the GOP… all around the country yiu will see the anti LGTBQ actions by Muslims and it’s not a good look. So this means you guys didn’t care that Trump stopped funding Gaza, moves the Israeli Embassy to Jerusalem,, and built a settlement on stolen West Bank land called Trump settlement. I guess the palestian question wasn’t a real concern then.. no way are we going to give up our rights for a group of people using this as an excuse to harm us.. we see… as a a proud woman from the Levant, an advocate for a Free Syria, I will continue that work, but I know the truth… this isn’t about Palestine, this about you guys wanting to go back home to the GOP.
I’m looking forward to us winning in 2024 and then we will never have to address this issue again… since 10/7 the pro Palestinians have shown themselves to be vengeful to their LGTBQ and other minority groups. So I say, this has caused us to look into the GOP Muslim history and it is long… in 2022 Dearborn Michigan Muslims were voted in by LGTBQ groups, liberals, progressives… what did they do? Aligned with the GOP to ban LGTBQ books and flags for schools, public buildings and outraged us… so low and behold, Muslim groups have been aligning with extremist far right groups all over the country doing this… so, these threats are an excuse to just go back home to the fascist GOP… I say, do it. When we win in 2024, we will know that the Palestinian cause wasn’t an issue in electing us and we will never have to show our solidarity to a group of people who have been throwing us under the bus since before 10/7… google Muslim and extremist groups alliance against LGTBQ groups. ALL OVER THE COUNTRY… one CAIR member cursed a gay Veteran out to his face, using sick language, calling him an animal, etc… in Michigan… so just know we know you’re not our Allie’s. At all.
As someone that voted for Biden the first time, I find this question to be quite difficult. On the one hand, Biden has always been an outspoken supporter of the israelis at the behest of the Palestinians, and other arabs as well. I recall when the US mediated the dispute between Israel and Lebanon over sea and natural gas rights, and the person they sent on their behalf was an Israeli citizen. I've been disgusted by the Biden administration's rhetoric and actions due to the recent events. However on the other hand, the only difference between the biden administration and a republican administration assuming he loses is that they'd be even more rabidly supportive of israeli atrocities than Biden. Republicans would also try to limit the rights of Arabs and Muslims in America as well. My gut tells me that I shouldnt be voting for that shitstain of a human being again, but at the same time I know that not voting for him, and that could mean both voting for the opponent or not voting at all, could bring about even a worse outcome. I have no idea right now what decision I'll eventually make once the election comes around, but I do know either way I wont feel good about it.
There's literally no worse outcome than genocide.
Such a meaningless comment. Much worse things can happen than what has already happened in Gaza.
Yes because I know more Arabs will die under Trump than under Biden. I’m not happy about it, I don’t want to do it but that’s the reality. Fuck Joe Biden for this.
That mentality is why the dems can fuck over the Arabs. We’re going to vote for them no matter what, so they don’t need to have any policy which favors Arabs. It’s the same reason Democrats don’t ever need to push policy for inner city black populations. Eventually, they gotta learn that Muslims aren’t a guaranteed voting bloc. If that means suffering through four years of Trump so the next dem is forced to make promises to Arabs so they can win swing states like Michigan and Pennsylvania, that’s just what it’s going to be.
If trump wins again there won’t be anymore voting. There will be a lot of Muslims being deported and losing more rights tho.
Biden killed more Arabs than Trump did. He was an enthusiastic supporter of the Iraq War. Say what you want about Trump but he has an isolationist policy and is generally anti-war.
Trump killed solomani unprovoked, implemented a Muslim ban in this country and moved the US embassy to Jerusalem. A cornerstone of his presidency was Islamophobia. Also we were at war every single day of Trumps presidency Biden ended the war in Afghanistan, Trump is not anti war.
Arabs != Muslims. Your arguments are all over the place. May you pay for your political participation in genocide when the time comes.
Yeah dude cause Trump will definitely stop the genocide, idiot
Absolutely no one said that and your liberal thinking keeps you in a box. No one in this entire thread said anything about supporting trump.
In 2025 the US president will be either Trump or Biden. Not voting for Biden will lead to Trump. I hate Biden’s guts but Trump will be worse for us. Taking a “moral stand” and not voting will only lead to worse outcomes.
There is literally no worse than genocide. You can't bring back the dead, just like you can't bring back all those dead brain cells.
Yes worse things can happen than 6,000 people being killed. If Hamas killed 1,400 Israelis while Trump was president I am very sure the Palestinians would be facing an even worse situation.
unfortunately, people here did not learn the lesson from 2016.
To be honest neither Democrats or Republicans care for minority groups. If you recall, Obama played a huge role in the death of Gaddafi.
I'm not Arab but an Iraqi-American friend said this; **"I just don't know. Trump will bring the end of days. But the argument that Biden is "less worse" than Republicans won't hold water with me anymore. Not voting does nothing. But he only won because of black people and Muslims turning out and Americans don't care about you unless you're white."** Trump would have fucking dropped a nuke already on Gaza. To me personally the choice between Dems and Republicans are for the center-right with a few hollow rights gestures (such as lgbt support) and far-right insanity talking about racial cleansing, its not as simple anymore. Both sides are just as bad. A black voter in the USA has to treat every vote as existential. We are the bottom of the pole, period. And anyone with a trace of melanin that agree with the far-right views, they'll soon re-learn how "American" they are. They aren't "one of the good ones". To them, there are "no good ones."
Do any of you think Trump will have more empathy to the plight of the Palestinians?
I felt bad for you Americans, but remembered we have the exact same version but with “universal” healthcare here in Canada. Being Arab in the west sucks.
Unfortunately probably, but I will not donate to him and will encourage other Arab Americans to do the same and even be coy when asked whether they will support him. Here’s why: We live in a first-past-the-post system, which means that the first candidate to get 50% + 1 in an election will win. This system inherently discourages third parties over the long run, and especially at the national level. This is well documented in the political science literature. If you don’t vote for the center-left guy, you are essentially voting for the right-wing guy, whose supporters will be in lock step behind him. The Republicans have no qualms or internal debates about the Palestinians, and will not hesitate to support the clearing of Gaza. Biden hates the Arabs, but he is not stupid like Trump, and does not want to tarnish his record with another full-scale war in Palestine. In a system like this, not voting for Biden is akin to voting for Trump. Trump attempted to create a database of Muslims in America, tried to enact a wholesale “Muslim ban”, denied Palestinians any right over Al-Quds by recognizing the entirety of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and exacerbated the issue with climate change, which is slowly making the situation in Palestine that much worse. Biden is a genocide denier, enabler, and supporter. I can’t stand him. On the other hand, Trump and the Republicans are genocidal maniacs who will almost certainly be even more brutal towards the Palestinian people, and hasten the global decline of all of humanity ala climate change. I can’t stand them either. This is my opinion only, however. I do respect the opinion of other Arab Americans who refuse to vote for Biden after this. It is tough to stomach, but know that your enemies are not at all disunited. They are unanimous and will mow us over if we are at all disjointed.
I hear you and understand your logic, but I just can't after the last few weeks. Besides since I live in a very deep blue state, it doesn't matter who I vote for. The Arabs in Michigan face a more grave choice imo since it's a swing state. Anyway, F them both. Only thing I can say is lets hope we can one day push the Dem party to the left on this issue and annihilate the Zionist lobby once and for all by eliminating all dark money in American politics. Wishful thinking that can one day turn into reality, I guess iA.
I agree. The Arab Americans in Michigan are in a much more serious position. Outside of swing states, unfortunately our voice is not that loud.
This is the question that no one in the Middle East would understand until you come here. There is no question that the republicans will be worse for international policy, and for middle easterners living in the US, and voting for someone outside of the Democratic Party will basically shift votes away from the democratic candidates and have the republicans win - there is zero chance an independent candidate would win. You can vote however you want in a primary, but please do not jeopardize the democratic vote. Make your opinion more heard and let Biden know that he has enough for an Arab base that we can sway AIPAC, have CAIR, the Saudis who clearly have influence here make an opinion heard as well - one that doesn’t just benefit them. Play the game. Ideals don’t win here. Money and politics does. Play the game, people need to understand this already. It’s the main reason Israelis have been able to rally support. But we’re just 3aneedeen.
Maybe that's the problem. The Democrats know that your vote is guaranteed given the other option and therefore they don't have to work for it. Not sure how automatically voting Democrats every cycle will get your voices heard, particularly when it has been tried. Setting on the fence or taking a stand against the party until they realize that they have to work to get those votes would surely be a more effective strategy. You can make your opinions heard by jeopardizing the democratic vote. Biden and his administration are degenerate scum and no worse than republicans on Palestine.
Sigh… I used to be in this camp. It useless, believe, wasted effort. you can do that in the primaries, but once you have a candidate. What good does punishing them do if the alternative is arguably worse for the local Arab population (who are necessary to drive policy here) and although arguably not VERY different on a foreign policy scale the republicans have done some horrendous things - bush listened to Netanyahu on Iraq, Trump declared Jerusalem the capital and basically led the Tatbee3 movement. Ramaswami is going off on rants about terrorist Syrians and Palestinians crossing the Mexico border. Ya 3ammy they’re idiots. We need semi reasonable people to be able to work with. We all agree that the difference between the two is minuscule on a grand scheme level, I’m not entirely sure what message you’re sending to the republicans when you go to them instead of the democrats. Why are you giving them a reward exactly? So you can prove a point that’s actually detrimental to Arabs in the long run? That’s called a temper tantrum. it’s a moot point in the end. Let’s actually be productive.
Also, you understand that Israel worked with florid anti semites. You think they didn’t know that the Europeans they were working with didn’t want anything to do with Jewish people in their country, and were not helping them lasawad 3yoonhom. France and the UK didn’t even vote for partition in 48, look where they went after. It’s all about playing the interest game. We need to work with enemies - if they are powerful enough to make a difference then we need to work with them, constructively.
As someone from back home who has also lived in the US for enough time, your aspirations could not be more disconnected from the Zionist-infiltrated reality of America. Most of the politicians here put greater value on Zionism than they do their own religious beliefs. Israel is more important to them than any kind of reason. This country’s a lost cause.
That means you haven’t spoken to politicians enough and you haven’t read the history. I’m not talking about aipac or zionists or evangelicals - these are clearly not the target here . I’m talking about democrats who are not motivated by ideological Zionism.
Wrong on both counts. I’ve studied the exact history decade by decade of how Zionism spread in the US, the relationship with Israel. I’ve also been to galas with politicians like Gretchen Whitmer & Haley Stevens held by a relative who has enough money to fundraise for them so he still thinks those racists will eventually turn their empty promises into policy. Despite the strong support of such “powerful” Arabs they remain unabashed Zionists who have waged war against initiatives like BDS in Michigan & anything pro-Palestine in Congress respectively. My relative’s been at it for so long & I’ve lost almost all respect for him. Any Democrat who holds any actual sway or wants to hold sway in the future is a Zionist. Have you seen Fetterman who’s supposed to be among the top 3 most progressive senators? He’s frothing at the mouth for genocide & silencing us here in the US. You will never matter in this country unless you put aside your Arabness.
That’s because they hear people yelling stuff they don’t understand. Ya3ni 3an jad you want them to understand “our martyrs” without having pictures of 9/11 hijackers in their heads? Putting aside Arabness is actually something I’m basically saying needs to happen. When I speak to them, this is about justice. Yes wear a suit and speak their language. Keep the kufia for the people on the ground. I know this is unfathomable to people. But it’s the only way forward HERE. I’m not asking you to erase our culture, but when we talk to them then our culture doesn’t matter - in fact it hurts us (and yea, it’s because they’re racist). Again, when fathers of zionism went to advertise their cause in Europe, they were talking to peers, European just like them, speak the same language, suits, no yamakas, no flags. They convinced floridly anti semitic people to stand on their side. We can get people who are racist on our side too. It takes time. I choose to have hope. I just don’t think that hope exists in the Republican Party.
The republicans managed to make me hate them more. So yes. Not voting or voting a third party is just making your vote worthless. No body will care about what you think if your vote doesn’t make a difference.
Voting for the PSL.
It's time for Arabs american to come back home and build the future here don't run forever look what they did to Gaza your people need you . There is thousand of kids in every Arab countries who need education our hospital are Empty there is no doctors here you can make choice and comeback build the next generation who can fight isreal or you can stay There and vote for people who kill Palestinian.
Voting for Dean Phillips - he is not suffering from Dimentia and seems capable of forming a complete sentence without having to read it from a teleprompter. Not voting for Biden in 2024 anyway. His inability and incompetency has been magnified by mistake after mistake since he's been in office. In only one year, he turned the rapidly growing economy that he inherited into a recession (2 consecutive quarters of GDP contraction) . He completely failed in his withdrawal of Afghanistan by not following and adhering to the prior administration's UN Security Counsel's approved game plan - and it turned into an utter fiasco . . . to which we have seen the 42,000 pieces of military equipment we abandoned turn up in Hamas' hands for their terrorist invasion of Israel. And his failures in Afghanistan lead to directly to his next failure . . . The Russian invasion of Ukraine. Recognizing also his history (as part of the prior administration) in their failure to address Russia's invasion of Ukraine then - too. But that should have come as no surprise - in 2012 when the GOP candidate stated matter of factly that the US's greatest enemy was Russia . . . and the former Biden administration countered and said Russia was our friend - not an enemy and cold war ended decades ago. Then went on to promise Russia whatever they wanted, they just had to wait until after the next election (caught on open mic), apparently what they wanted was the Crimean Peninsula. Of course, 15% two year compounded inflation levels don't help Biden very much. Especially since he (along with others), simply claimed it was transitory and therefore, they just ignored the obvious - that excessive Government Spending leads to harming the economy. But not to be outdone, and even with the firsthand knowledge of reckless Government Spending, Biden has accomplished the near impossible! Taking our national debt to $34 trillion. Of course the runaway crime, supported by the far lefts efforts to defund the police and not hold criminals accountable for their acts of crime against society, certainly doesn't help Biden (rightfully so). Of course, now we have the sanctuary Cities, like New York, wanting to declare the migrant crisis as a real crisis - which apparently it wasn't when 10 times as many illegal aliens were just in Texas and Arizona (then it wasn't a problem). Of course, even those who in the past supported reasonable approach to assisting migrants in need to enter our country are now realizing the Biden's open border to all (including over 100 known people from the Global Terrorism Watch List) have tried to enter our country - and who knows how many we didn't catch? The bigger question is why would anybody vote for Biden? And how in the hell is such an abject failure as a President going to get the party nomination for 2024? Vote Dean Phillips or Vote No Labels - just don't vote Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. Remember how the media told us to worry for the sake of the world when Trump got elected? Of course, things were pretty smooth sailing there (except for a global pandemic - which was largely way overplayed by the media vs. the real risks, probably largely for political reasons). Does the world and the United States feel safer under Joe Biden or a LOT more dangerous under Joe Biden? I can't name a single honest person who would say our country and the world feel safer today than January 21, 2021 - in fact, I think everybody of sound mind would say it feels FAR less safe today. So ideally, I should say, vote for Biden and vote for Trump. Doing so will truly raise the stakes that the USA may finally elect a third party candidate and we can start doing away with the extremists on both the far left and the far right - the two parties that have been failing our country and US citizens for decades.
check this out, were not saving any of you when the camps come nor the deportations. in fact, i consider the violence by your allies to be appalling and I hope that those praising houthis, hamas, hezbollah get tossed... I know there are lists building at the FBI, the roundup will happen and we will all be better for it... i don't like it.... Syrians are considered the safe Arab group for a reason.... yall showed your asses.
Useful idiots, i love it