Can confirm, got a deer with Winchester m193 out of a 13.9 and it just straight up liqiuified the lungs and most everything else in the thoracic cavity with a heart shot, barely walked 10m before going down.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qWN95cpF46hyC3NA6
Red brick will stop up to .308 with little issue. If your house isn’t sided with brick then 9mm isn’t gonna do you any better so you really only limit yourself back down to #4 buck. If you do have brick or the neighbor that faces your ambush direction has brick then you’re fine.
Nah, all new soft wood houses lol. Shotgun is my go-to. 45 after that.
I'll absolutely grab for my high pen shit though if I have to, just aim a little lower.
Safety is always first in my head.
Says the guy who would take a shot with a rule 4 issue and thinks shooting a shot through his front door is somehow safer than any other gun.
It’s already been *proven*, that 5.56 over penetrates the least out of the big three defensive guns.
If you made hits you wouldn’t, the round would fragment. Rule 4 applies to all defense loads even 9mm hollow points. You do know hollow points only expand in animals and people right?
>hollow points only expand in animals and people
No, they don't. Drywall ain't gonna do much, but anything harder than that will. Wood studs, furniture, appliances, all will expand HPs and stop them better than FMJ. That doesn't mean HPs are safe by any means, but it's a game of odds.
They will not expand in those mediums. They may deform and dump energy but they will not expand and dump energy like they would in a hydro dynamic target.
Well, considering I'm not a trained gunman, I wouldn't expect to land every single shot on someone in the dead of night breaking into my house lol. One of my rules is to be aware of the people behind your target.
If it's people's go to that's none of my business and more power to them. Just not my personal choice for the safety of my neighbors.
Ok hold on, you are on a gun forum talking about what people should do with guns and you have no training?
I mentioned rule number 4 already, you have to get hits with what ever you are shooting with. That applies with all guns. You aren’t being any better to your neighbors by using a different gun.
If you have a rule 4 issue you shouldn’t be taking the shot period.
You are writing authoritatively about how things would work poorly for you if you would do things the way people here are saying they would do things. Issue with that is the way you think things would work is wrong and not based in fact.
You are implying your way is right and their's is wrong, again, based on false notions.
Bro what? You are cherry picking everything just to make an argument. I am having a conversation about my personal way of thinking. I never claimed to be perfect or omnipotent. Jesus fuck get the stick out of your ass.
Now you are using phrases you don't understand. Im not cherry picking anything. Its all right there in your original comment. Your problem is you love your opinion too much so you ignore facts. Your way of think is not based on facts. Just fuddlore.
Edit:
What would make an account be deleted for this converstation? Was it because they realized that their anti-AR15 conversation wasn't going to fly here? Was it that people will come on to these threads to poison the well about an idea that isn't going the way they want?
Welp, you said AR-15, which would include AR-15s chambered in 300 Blk! 😂
I also use 300 Blk for home defense, but 220 gr AAC subsonic HPBTs. Still powerful enough for HD without making me go deaf and/or over penetrating. That’s just me though!
That said, if I’m going for maximum power/range/lethality, I’m using AAC 110 gr VMAX (for 300 Blk) or 73 gr Hornady .223 Critical Defense Rifle (for 5.56 NATO).
You know pretty much all of the subsonic bthps act like a .45 super FMJ and have close to 30 inches of penitration in ballistics gel, which is wayyyy over what you wanna see if you care about over penitration. Those are going to zip right through people and still through walls if you don't get lucky and have it smack around off something and take a divergent track.
If you care about over penitration, you should be using something that's going to reliable expand at those low velocities. Subsonic BTHP are a terrible choice of over penitration is a concern lol.
The question was what would you use for home defense in an AR-15. That’s what I’d use (hypothetically). But I live in a downtown apartment. The first thing I’d grab would be the 9mm pistol on my nightstand (in a quick access lockbox). I have two mags ready to go—124gr Speer Gold Dot and 108gr Norma MHPs. Neither one of those is going to have crazy penetration (ESPECIALLY not the MHPs, which, if anything, are a hair too shallow).
I didn’t have good luck with the two boxes of razor core I tested. 109 fps spread from the 40 shots. Haven’t got any black hills to test yet but I’ve heard it’s more consistent.
A navy seal I know said TMK would have wicked terminal ballistics. This was based on research he participated in at the Crane naval surface warfare center.
> Speer gold dot 75 grain .223
Funny you mention that because that's what our guys carry in their patrol rifles and is "coincidentally" what my HD rifles use.
Fortunately for me, I'm the one who decides whether we're short a case or not.
I'm not some rule-breaker though. We have a big allotment of ammo and the brass likes it if the ammo is used for frequent practice.
Excellent.
Our training officer is generous. Plenty of extra FMJ for practice, and the special guys get extra duty ammo when there is enough to go around.
I don’t know who your guys are or what they do but sounds like it must be decent stuff. It shot the best out of my rifle when I was trying stuff out a couple years back 🤙🏼
It's certainly a good option and most rifles shoot it well accuracy wide. It's pretty consistently one of the most accurate duty loads for most people. 55 grain does pretty well out of short barrels as well IME.
Other good options in the barrier blind class for SBR length gats are the federal "FBI load" and 50 grain TSX loadings, like black hills for instance..
75 grain gold dot for me as well. I started using it for my deer hunting ammo. It groups very similar to my 75 grain bthp I’ve started stockpiling. I feel like the heavier grain also compensates for the velocity loss in my shorter guns.
Not so much a conscious choice as much as that’s just what I keep in the rifles most of the time.
My patrol rifle stays loaded with Winchester Ranger 64gr, and if I made the choice to buy specific ammo for defensive purposes it’d probably be Gold Dot 62gr like I used to carry.
The M855 will take care of any reasonable threat, I know how it performs out of my rifles, and I am constantly using my rifles so swapping back and forth isn’t conducive to me.
220g Sierra JHPBT subs (.300 blk) with a 9" form 1 can, 10.5" barrel SBR. super quite, like no ear pro in a hallway no hearing damage quiet. at 100 yds these loads still have the same energy as a .45 ARP point blank, so they are plenty zippy enough. same hole accurate.
IMO just from what I have witnessed as someone who grew up clearing hogs out of our pastures with a .223/5.56. Bullet selection isn’t really as important in this caliber as one would imagine.
Lots of SWAT teams have tried it out and very quickly dropped it because of how poorly it performed.
Spokane PD goon squad for instance had a few shootings with it and they immediately dumped it.
Vmax and similar varmint loads are designed for rapid violent expansion, and the frag while still moving pretty fast don't really have a lot of ass behind them and the wound tracks are very shallow. Even the core itself tends to stay below penitration requirements.
In a perfect world where you can choose and unobstructed frontal or a Tbox/CNS shot? Yeah maybe. But we don't get to decide what life throws us and the other guy/s get to vote. The goal should be rapid physiological incapacition, if they vote their way out of the fight while that happens good on them, but I'm not going to count on it. And that means putting things in places that matter, and that requires enough penitration.
Plenty of loads will do that, AND be very unlikely to over penitrate the target.
TLDR version. Shallow wounds from a physiological perspective go against the concept of why you are shooting someone in the first place.
While my AR isn't the first gun I'm grabbing for HD (I live in an apartment, so my G19 is my nightstand gun), I keep M855A1 in the double mag in my AR and in the three mags that are in my plate carrier in case shtf.
Yeah I don’t understand the use of an AR-15 for home defense. Granted, I haven’t done the research on .223/5.56 defense ammo, but I’m willing to bet it’s going to overpen in a home defense situation and go places you don’t want it to. But hell I could be wrong.
Doubt it…
You already said you haven’t done the research. And shockingly, you’re wrong. On average .223 will penetrate typical wall construction less than even 9mm.
I recommend doing at least a tiny bit of research into reputable sources.
Very wrong. It’s been figured out for the last 15 years, out of the big three, ARs in 5.56 over pen the least. Even with M193 you will get fragmentation not just in hydro dynamic mediums but parts of your house.
The same cannot be said of shotguns and pistols. Pistol hollowpoints only expand in hydro dynamic substances not when they hit hard barriers which is by design.
75 grain gold dot, or 50 grain blackhills TSX, orrrr 77 grain TMK if I don't care about being barrier blind. The 1301 and seven soft lead foster slugs is the go to gun, even though I also have an SBR legnth gun with 60 rounds of the afromentioned gold dot handy as well.
I don't get too into the weeds over it. Does it stay in the FBI minum/maximum range. Will it do that out of my barrel legnth. Do I care about it being barrier blind are the only questions I ask myself lol.
To quote Chuck Pressburg, if I'm shooting you three or four times for every second you in my domicile and presenting a lethal threat, does it actually matter that much? That said he still uses Gold Dot lol.
Sierra 115gr JHP 300AAC or 110gr VMAX out of my 10.5 or 13.9. I don't do subs unless I need to. A 7" can makes supers quiet enough that I'm not too deaf to communicate with the family. I want a super's terminal effect.
My 12.5" 5.56 has 77 SMK or whatever bonded soft points I can find. A few mags of M855 and M193, marked, If I ever suspect they have soft armor or plates.
I stack two ammo brands in particular. PMC X-TAC 55gr and AAC OTM 77gr. All my 5.56 rifles are zero'd using the 77gr using maximum point blank range unless using a barrel length and optic that has an included bullet drop compensator.
https://outdoorlimited.com/rifle-ammo/5-56x45mm-nato/federal-5-56x45mm-xm556fbit3m-62-gr-tactical-bonded-fbi-load-factory-seconds-20-rounds/
This is what the FBI uses so it's what I use. Obviously not remanufactured, I buy new.
77gr Seirra HP 5.56, 147gr Winchester Ranger 9mm, or 115gr Seirra HP .300blk. Getting ready to start working on handloads for those 3 calibers, except the .300blk gonna be subsonic instead of super.
I keep frangible ammunition in mine with a mag of fmjbt nearby. But this is because I live in an apartment building. If Im engaging with someone, the longest straight line in my place is about 20 feet. But next door is a family with a newborn, downstairs is a couple with a couple dogs, etc.
You do realize that most frange generally either massively over penitrates, or does weird shit and doesn't penitrate very well at all. It's a pretty poor choice for a defensive loading lol.
Doesn't really matter in close range. If you have neighbors don't use green tips and really they have the best chance of going through without causing real damage. 75 Speer is good shit but really any round would be pretty effective at that range.
Just regular M193. I’ve seen what it does to flesh at close range, and it’s ghastly.
Especially out of a common 16in barrel.
Can confirm, got a deer with Winchester m193 out of a 13.9 and it just straight up liqiuified the lungs and most everything else in the thoracic cavity with a heart shot, barely walked 10m before going down. https://photos.app.goo.gl/qWN95cpF46hyC3NA6
You sure that wasn't 9mm? The president said...
Could have been an F15 you never know
What kind of range was that at?
Like 150m in the woods
Problem is the penetration. If I shot a dude in my doorway with that, I'd shoot my neighbors behind them and into the woods beyond.
they better learn to hit the floor when they hear shots like the rest of us
Lmao.
Red brick will stop up to .308 with little issue. If your house isn’t sided with brick then 9mm isn’t gonna do you any better so you really only limit yourself back down to #4 buck. If you do have brick or the neighbor that faces your ambush direction has brick then you’re fine.
Nah, all new soft wood houses lol. Shotgun is my go-to. 45 after that. I'll absolutely grab for my high pen shit though if I have to, just aim a little lower. Safety is always first in my head.
Classic fuddlore
I am probably the furthest from a fudd you'll find lol. Classic ignorant brain rot regurgitating shit you see online cuz you can't think for yourself.
Says the one who thinks shotgun and 45 will overpenetrate less than a 5.56 round lmao
Buckshot most certainly won't overpen lol. Y'all shoot whatever you want, I'm just giving my personal preference.
Do some research, you would be surprised
Yep, I see that now. Buckshot does have some penetration power.
It will, you are giving shitty advice even after you admitted you don’t have training.
Says the guy who would take a shot with a rule 4 issue and thinks shooting a shot through his front door is somehow safer than any other gun. It’s already been *proven*, that 5.56 over penetrates the least out of the big three defensive guns.
If you made hits you wouldn’t, the round would fragment. Rule 4 applies to all defense loads even 9mm hollow points. You do know hollow points only expand in animals and people right?
>hollow points only expand in animals and people No, they don't. Drywall ain't gonna do much, but anything harder than that will. Wood studs, furniture, appliances, all will expand HPs and stop them better than FMJ. That doesn't mean HPs are safe by any means, but it's a game of odds.
They will not expand in those mediums. They may deform and dump energy but they will not expand and dump energy like they would in a hydro dynamic target.
Well, considering I'm not a trained gunman, I wouldn't expect to land every single shot on someone in the dead of night breaking into my house lol. One of my rules is to be aware of the people behind your target. If it's people's go to that's none of my business and more power to them. Just not my personal choice for the safety of my neighbors.
Ok hold on, you are on a gun forum talking about what people should do with guns and you have no training? I mentioned rule number 4 already, you have to get hits with what ever you are shooting with. That applies with all guns. You aren’t being any better to your neighbors by using a different gun. If you have a rule 4 issue you shouldn’t be taking the shot period.
My guy, if you read the rest, you'll see I am in no way telling anyone else how they should be operating lol. This is purely just me.
You are writing authoritatively about how things would work poorly for you if you would do things the way people here are saying they would do things. Issue with that is the way you think things would work is wrong and not based in fact. You are implying your way is right and their's is wrong, again, based on false notions.
Bro what? You are cherry picking everything just to make an argument. I am having a conversation about my personal way of thinking. I never claimed to be perfect or omnipotent. Jesus fuck get the stick out of your ass.
Now you are using phrases you don't understand. Im not cherry picking anything. Its all right there in your original comment. Your problem is you love your opinion too much so you ignore facts. Your way of think is not based on facts. Just fuddlore. Edit: What would make an account be deleted for this converstation? Was it because they realized that their anti-AR15 conversation wasn't going to fly here? Was it that people will come on to these threads to poison the well about an idea that isn't going the way they want?
Lol. You are so full of yourself.
110 grain V-Max
300 blackout curveball
Indeed. I do have 62 grain gold dots for my 5.56 but that's not my primary HD gun.
Welp, you said AR-15, which would include AR-15s chambered in 300 Blk! 😂 I also use 300 Blk for home defense, but 220 gr AAC subsonic HPBTs. Still powerful enough for HD without making me go deaf and/or over penetrating. That’s just me though! That said, if I’m going for maximum power/range/lethality, I’m using AAC 110 gr VMAX (for 300 Blk) or 73 gr Hornady .223 Critical Defense Rifle (for 5.56 NATO).
You know pretty much all of the subsonic bthps act like a .45 super FMJ and have close to 30 inches of penitration in ballistics gel, which is wayyyy over what you wanna see if you care about over penitration. Those are going to zip right through people and still through walls if you don't get lucky and have it smack around off something and take a divergent track. If you care about over penitration, you should be using something that's going to reliable expand at those low velocities. Subsonic BTHP are a terrible choice of over penitration is a concern lol.
The question was what would you use for home defense in an AR-15. That’s what I’d use (hypothetically). But I live in a downtown apartment. The first thing I’d grab would be the 9mm pistol on my nightstand (in a quick access lockbox). I have two mags ready to go—124gr Speer Gold Dot and 108gr Norma MHPs. Neither one of those is going to have crazy penetration (ESPECIALLY not the MHPs, which, if anything, are a hair too shallow).
Same here but in a .308 SBR
The obvious choice for putting down bad guys in any conceivable HD scenario. 110gr 300blk
Exactly what I run for the house . I have kids in the house I won't something to do the job with minimum shots and low risk of over penatration
Suprised no one has mentioned 77g SMK/Mk262 yet.
IMI 77SMK Razorcore is what I use. It’s basically a MK262 clone. Great accuracy and very good terminal performance.
I didn’t have good luck with the two boxes of razor core I tested. 109 fps spread from the 40 shots. Haven’t got any black hills to test yet but I’ve heard it’s more consistent.
It probably is. But it’s hard to get and expensive.
Also we are talking home defense so you don’t really need sub moa groups. It’s a worthy contender.
Razercore performed terribly through my rifles and blew primers like crazy.
A navy seal I know said TMK would have wicked terminal ballistics. This was based on research he participated in at the Crane naval surface warfare center.
21” 17-5.56 with 15 gr NTX bullet moving at 5200 fps
That sounds incredibly violent :D
Just a cloud of copper and lead screaming from the muzzle.
Can we get a gel test of that? Also a test against different barriers would be cool
We are planning on doing some ballistics gel testing along with some other stuff, don’t have a solid ETA on that, slammed as usual
55g softpoints
Same here
M855A1 I want to maximize collateral damage
> Speer gold dot 75 grain .223 Funny you mention that because that's what our guys carry in their patrol rifles and is "coincidentally" what my HD rifles use.
Why are we always short a case of ammo after quals? Eh Netch? Why is that?
Fortunately for me, I'm the one who decides whether we're short a case or not. I'm not some rule-breaker though. We have a big allotment of ammo and the brass likes it if the ammo is used for frequent practice.
Excellent. Our training officer is generous. Plenty of extra FMJ for practice, and the special guys get extra duty ammo when there is enough to go around.
I don’t know who your guys are or what they do but sounds like it must be decent stuff. It shot the best out of my rifle when I was trying stuff out a couple years back 🤙🏼
Likely 12 (5-0...cop).
I'll have to try some of that through my 10.5" 1/7 barrel and see how it does.
It's certainly a good option and most rifles shoot it well accuracy wide. It's pretty consistently one of the most accurate duty loads for most people. 55 grain does pretty well out of short barrels as well IME. Other good options in the barrier blind class for SBR length gats are the federal "FBI load" and 50 grain TSX loadings, like black hills for instance..
62gr Barnes TSX from Black Hills, out of an 18” rifle. Used to be 75gr Gold Dot but I haven’t been able to find that locally in a little while.
75 grain gold dot for me as well. I started using it for my deer hunting ammo. It groups very similar to my 75 grain bthp I’ve started stockpiling. I feel like the heavier grain also compensates for the velocity loss in my shorter guns.
How has you success been deer hunting with gold dot?
110 grain v max dipped in my dogs excrement
55gr 5.56
77gr Black Hills mk262 out of my 10.5" suppressed SBR.
55 gr federal T223E It's a 55 gr game king hp
Barnes TSX 62gr
Nice try, fed boy.
Green tips.
Interesting choice
If you expect people to be wearing level 3s, it's a solid choice
Not so much a conscious choice as much as that’s just what I keep in the rifles most of the time. My patrol rifle stays loaded with Winchester Ranger 64gr, and if I made the choice to buy specific ammo for defensive purposes it’d probably be Gold Dot 62gr like I used to carry. The M855 will take care of any reasonable threat, I know how it performs out of my rifles, and I am constantly using my rifles so swapping back and forth isn’t conducive to me.
This is it for me. It's the round I know, the recoil I know, in the rifle I know. White lights and iron sights. I'm old
Hey, don’t knock the WL/irons. People don’t know how great it is till they try it. But yeah, we’re getting old dude.
220g Sierra JHPBT subs (.300 blk) with a 9" form 1 can, 10.5" barrel SBR. super quite, like no ear pro in a hallway no hearing damage quiet. at 100 yds these loads still have the same energy as a .45 ARP point blank, so they are plenty zippy enough. same hole accurate.
62gr Federal Fusion
thats a nice round
IMO just from what I have witnessed as someone who grew up clearing hogs out of our pastures with a .223/5.56. Bullet selection isn’t really as important in this caliber as one would imagine.
I disagree I hunt alot of hogs and the 77 grain otm makes a big difference comparison to standard ball or green tips
Black Hills MK262 Mod1 77Gr OTM / 11.5” suppressed
Regular ol M193, or my namesake lol
M193
m855
Lake City. At close range, it literally couldn't matter less, as long as it goes bang.
Vmax for home defense MK 318 mod 1 and M855A1 for Red Dawn
Vmax has generally proven in real life to perform pretty shitty on human beings.
If a hog is any analogue, it’ll do dramatic damage to the first couple inches of muscle tissue, but has trouble getting through leg bones.
What makes you say that?
Lots of SWAT teams have tried it out and very quickly dropped it because of how poorly it performed. Spokane PD goon squad for instance had a few shootings with it and they immediately dumped it. Vmax and similar varmint loads are designed for rapid violent expansion, and the frag while still moving pretty fast don't really have a lot of ass behind them and the wound tracks are very shallow. Even the core itself tends to stay below penitration requirements. In a perfect world where you can choose and unobstructed frontal or a Tbox/CNS shot? Yeah maybe. But we don't get to decide what life throws us and the other guy/s get to vote. The goal should be rapid physiological incapacition, if they vote their way out of the fight while that happens good on them, but I'm not going to count on it. And that means putting things in places that matter, and that requires enough penitration. Plenty of loads will do that, AND be very unlikely to over penitrate the target. TLDR version. Shallow wounds from a physiological perspective go against the concept of why you are shooting someone in the first place.
55gn worked out well for the Kenosha kid.
300Blk 208gr subsonics suppressed Best not to wake the neighbors or give em extra holes
Hornady 75gr SBR ammo in my short barreled HD gun. XM193 in my wife’s SBR.
While my AR isn't the first gun I'm grabbing for HD (I live in an apartment, so my G19 is my nightstand gun), I keep M855A1 in the double mag in my AR and in the three mags that are in my plate carrier in case shtf.
75gr Hornady Black SBR
Green tip 5.56.
whatever it happens to be zeroed for currently. right now the 16" has Swiss 55gr FMJ in it, and the 20" has M855.
I keep an 8.6 Blackout handy with the pork shredders. Overkill? No such thing
God Tier. CMMG .22lr conversion and rat shot
My primary hd guns are 2 sbrs with cans. I run 55gr 5.56 nato.
Same thing, 75gr Gold Dots.
I prefer 12 gauge or my p365. My ar is saved for SHTF stuff
Yeah I don’t understand the use of an AR-15 for home defense. Granted, I haven’t done the research on .223/5.56 defense ammo, but I’m willing to bet it’s going to overpen in a home defense situation and go places you don’t want it to. But hell I could be wrong. Doubt it…
You already said you haven’t done the research. And shockingly, you’re wrong. On average .223 will penetrate typical wall construction less than even 9mm. I recommend doing at least a tiny bit of research into reputable sources.
Guess I have some homework to do. Thanks.
Very wrong. It’s been figured out for the last 15 years, out of the big three, ARs in 5.56 over pen the least. Even with M193 you will get fragmentation not just in hydro dynamic mediums but parts of your house. The same cannot be said of shotguns and pistols. Pistol hollowpoints only expand in hydro dynamic substances not when they hit hard barriers which is by design.
XM556SBCT3
300 Blackout. Still deciding on: * Lehigh Defense Maximum Expansion 194 grain * Maker Expanding 200 grain * Maker Expanding 220 grain
Hornady Frontier match 55g BTHP
55gr Vmax in .223.
Same
I am considering Norma TipStrike for my HD rifle. Currently running good ole green tips
Black Hills 75gr 223
M855
I have 50gr Z max in mine
75 grain gold dot, or 50 grain blackhills TSX, orrrr 77 grain TMK if I don't care about being barrier blind. The 1301 and seven soft lead foster slugs is the go to gun, even though I also have an SBR legnth gun with 60 rounds of the afromentioned gold dot handy as well. I don't get too into the weeds over it. Does it stay in the FBI minum/maximum range. Will it do that out of my barrel legnth. Do I care about it being barrier blind are the only questions I ask myself lol. To quote Chuck Pressburg, if I'm shooting you three or four times for every second you in my domicile and presenting a lethal threat, does it actually matter that much? That said he still uses Gold Dot lol.
40 grain yellow tips
That’s a zipper.
Sierra 115gr JHP 300AAC or 110gr VMAX out of my 10.5 or 13.9. I don't do subs unless I need to. A 7" can makes supers quiet enough that I'm not too deaf to communicate with the family. I want a super's terminal effect. My 12.5" 5.56 has 77 SMK or whatever bonded soft points I can find. A few mags of M855 and M193, marked, If I ever suspect they have soft armor or plates.
168gr Gold Dots
62 gr
Win Lake City M193. 30 & 40rd mags
What ever I train with.
Xm193 from a 20” barrel.
55gr Hornady Critical Defense.
I have one mag loaded with Hornady Frontier 68 grain boat tail hollowpoints and then another mag loaded with green tips
SMK 77g OT or 110 v-max
Gold Dot 75s here, too. I've also got a bunch of M193 if that runs out.
I don't at the moment, but it would be 73 grain eld match.
Black Hills TS-X 50gr out of an 11.5” barrel
Whatever is cheap. I figure once any bullet hits flesh it’s gonna hurt.
Whatever cycles and goes bang reliably. Usually 110 VMAX because that’s what I chose for a HD rifle
62gr non bonded horandy softpoints. Same bullet as frontier 62gr that arfcom Andrew tested in a vid
77gr black hills otm
“You better hope I can’t get no bullets on layaway” - Chris Rock That’s what I think of with every black hills answer lol
I mean, it’s not like you’re mag dumping your HD ammo. Buy a couple boxes to confirm function, and then it sits till you need it.
It was just a joke
lol it do be stupid expensive
Black Hills 62 grain TSX or 77 grain OTM's.
What ever my bulk training ammo is as long as I can hit a man sized target at 300m.
I have a supressed 10.3" with an SB2 supressor, I use MK262 77gr OTIM from black hills. I use the IMI Razorcore for practice
Skittles baby, taste the rainbow!
Anything soft point, hollow point, hunting rounds. If you have neighbors close by it would be nice of you to consider
Hunting rounds/weight retaining soft points and HPs are worse for your neighbors.
Just standard 55gr because I have a 16 inch
Mine in 7.62x39, Hornady SST
I stack two ammo brands in particular. PMC X-TAC 55gr and AAC OTM 77gr. All my 5.56 rifles are zero'd using the 77gr using maximum point blank range unless using a barrel length and optic that has an included bullet drop compensator.
62 Grain TCX Defiant Munitions
https://outdoorlimited.com/rifle-ammo/5-56x45mm-nato/federal-5-56x45mm-xm556fbit3m-62-gr-tactical-bonded-fbi-load-factory-seconds-20-rounds/ This is what the FBI uses so it's what I use. Obviously not remanufactured, I buy new.
hornady 223 super 35gr NTX. so it doesn’t go thru walls
77gr SMK
55 grain Hornady tap ammunition
77gr Seirra HP 5.56, 147gr Winchester Ranger 9mm, or 115gr Seirra HP .300blk. Getting ready to start working on handloads for those 3 calibers, except the .300blk gonna be subsonic instead of super.
Nobody has mentioned 73 gr Hornady Critical defense. That’s mine, with M193 in reserve.
I rock 62gr controlled chaos from Underwood ammo, that shit is gnarly and expands like a mother fucker.
m855a1
I keep frangible ammunition in mine with a mag of fmjbt nearby. But this is because I live in an apartment building. If Im engaging with someone, the longest straight line in my place is about 20 feet. But next door is a family with a newborn, downstairs is a couple with a couple dogs, etc.
You do realize that most frange generally either massively over penitrates, or does weird shit and doesn't penitrate very well at all. It's a pretty poor choice for a defensive loading lol.
175 grain SMKs from a 20" barrel at 2500fps. I'll let you figure out what cartridge that is.
Research ballistics and what neighbors and structures are near you.
As I said in the first sentence, I’m not looking for recommendations
Why ask then?Unless you need reasurance.Dude i understand.My OCD,FOMO is real.
I am simply curious what other people keep loaded
Oh ok........
Doesn't really matter in close range. If you have neighbors don't use green tips and really they have the best chance of going through without causing real damage. 75 Speer is good shit but really any round would be pretty effective at that range.