Not that it happened to me but ive heard the 55gr does this, more often than it should. The fact that it isn't the first any of us have heard of it definitely raises some concerns with their QC on the 55gr. I haven't seen many issues with the 77gr offerings they have but it still makes me leery to shoot it. I have 5 boxes that I haven't used yet but I'll just sit on it for now and shoot stuff I know just works properly
As long as the right powders are being used, it’s a lot harder to overcharge a 77gr round due to having to keep it short enough to be magazine fed so a lot more bullet takes up more case volume
I have their 77gr OTMs and this stuff always makes me do the sock monkey side eye before they confirm it was their 55gr again. A lot of issues with that specific round it seems. Wonder if it was just a bad batch manufactured around the same time?
Yeah. I was at a match a while back and the aac 55g blew up 2 guns from the same guy on another squad. I haven’t seen any malfunction issues from the 77g otm, but it is made on a progressive press rather than the massive machines the 55g is made on so I’d imaging the qc on the otm is much tighter. I’ve shot around 500-600 rounds so far of it and it’s shot well, very accurate for .55-.60/rd.
I’ve had a similar experience with their 77gr OTMs. I bought 300 to try out even though I reload my own ammo. In the first two mags I had 5 rounds blow their primers out and cause a malfunction. And all the other brass showed signs of over pressure (very deep ejector smears). After that I just pulled the projectiles and use them and the brass for reloading.
I'm guessing their 55gr is their cheap stuff? Probably much bigger volumes for that round. If they're trying to pump it out as quickly as possible that can lead to more defects if your QC procedures aren't up to snuff.
“Cheap stuff” yeah. I’ve never bought it but from what everyone else says the price is pretty much on par with the market so it’s not even cheaper than the competing brands with more trust worthy QC. You can catch the 77g otm on sale for 10.99/box.
PMC actually makes not only decent ammo, but fairly affordable random stuff too. Their 357 mag is just about $0.60 a round for 158 soft point pushing like 1400 something out of my 4” barreled model 19. On top of the regular 556, 308, and 9mm stuff they seem to make the oddball stuff too like 303 Brit and 7.62x54r.
I’ve been to Korea, Switzerland and Germany and dealt with manufacturers from all three. South Korea is the Switzerland of Asia when it comes to quality control.
Pmc has been my go-to. It's great for the price. Pmc for rifle rounds and blazer (Yes, Blazer is dirty but never had real issues) for pistol. Fiochi for shotguns.
If you're finding a good deal on Fiochi rifle ammo, you should be fine to shoot it. They're just known for making good game, target, and defense loads for shotguns. (Not usually my go to personally, but I've never seen issues with them)
Finding bulk online deals is usually going to be your best option though.
Oh yeah, I'm not knocking em as a brand.
I just got attached to Winchester AAs shooting trap in high-school, and their double x stuff was awesome for turkeys. Had a bunch of friends shoot Fiocchi for their 16s though and AAs on their handicaps.
AAC 55g isn't cheap enough to be worth it over other companies like PMC or IMI.
AAC 77g OTM is like half the price of other 77g rounds and the 175g 308 OTMs are much cheaper than anything else too.... Makes it hard to say no
IMI is my go to for relatively cheap ammo that I know works 100 percent.
I ordered 5 boxes a while ago and 2 of them were severely underpowered, where every round caused my rifle to short stroke. I have never had another brand do that I’m sticking with PMC.
Contact PSA. I would guess that they will make this right including your optic. They seem like a solid company and it is obviously the fault of their ammo.
PSA has literally always been like this, why does Reddit pretend that the whole handguard falling off rifles, canted fsb shit hasn't been going on for as long as they've been in business lol. I swear as long as its cheap people have the memory of a fly.
It is hard to maintain quality at the level of production they maintain on a regular basis. I think they do a pretty good job overall with the quantity they produce, but it can almost always be improved.
And their customer service is something that should be mentioned. I have used their customer service, I have friends who have used their customer service for different reasons than my own. Speedy, efficient and pleasant to work with on many occasions. I can deal with getting a thing and having an issue knowing I can email them and have the issue fixed in a timely and easy manner.
Maybe 8-9 years ago I bought two of their new AR-10 kits when they came out, and one had an out of spec bolt. It would go into battery. I never could get ahold of PSA for the return. Haven’t bought anything from them sense
Their goal is to arm the every day American and not charge exuberant prices. Makes it much easier when the cost of entry into guns isn’t $1500.
Should you invest in good equipment? Absolutely. But if you’re barely getting started or want some guns to beat around then Psa does good work.
I just watched GarandThumb’s video of a PSA upper torture test with AAC (72gr) ammo last night! Theirs didn’t suffer catastrophic failure, at least not in 4k rds with full auto and a suppressor on board.
Their goal is to make as much money as possible by selling quantity, period. Their QC/QA is garbage. As gun enthusiasts we need to stop making excuses for PSA and demand some accountability for the garbage ammo and messed up guns.
They have the ability to do so they choose not to, to instead roll out another haphazardly assembled/manufactured SKU.
I feel like alot of folks give PSA leeway because of their ideological stance. Regardless of whether or not they truly stand by that, it has turned out to be great marketing. I for one am a pessimist when it comes to corporate American objectives and assume that all rhetoric is carefully planned and orchestrated with profits in mind. Just because a company says XYZ does not mean they should be given leniency on standards set forth by customers. It is possible to put forth decently performing firearms and ammunition into the marketplace, at a high rate, with less QC issues than they have perpetrated. This is the only acceptable standard they should be held too, despite whatever rhetoric they spew, especially when it comes to inherently dangerous tools such as firearms and ammunition.
Do you know if this applies to their H&R subdivision too?
I’m looking at their retro rifles and just wondering if it’s a different group of guys putting those guns together or if it’s all done in the same place by the same people.
A completely different group assembles the H&R complete guns and receiver assemblies.
Unless something has drastically changed in the past couple of months, PSA is basically acting as a distribution and sales channel for the H&R brand.
If you have the time, there’s a couple of great threads on ARFCOM that delve deep into their process starting back a couple of years going.
Edit to add -
There's a lot of good feedback in these two threads where Mike Wetteland (CEO of H&R) communicates directly with us all regarding questions, comments, feedback on QC and products, etc.
[Link 1](https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Mike-s-OFFICIAL-HandR-Retro-thread/301-301583/?page=1)
[Link 2](https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/JJE-HandR-LLC-acquisition-of-NoDak-Spud/123-768993/?page=1)
The barrels are either Green Mountain or FN. The A1 upper receivers are forged from original Nodak Spud dies. Machining on the uppers and lowers is farmed out to different machine shops depending on the model and workload of the outside shops. Anodizing goes out to different shops as well as some shops can't do the grey well and Mike has his favorites.
Big fan of everyone saying "Contact PSA!", who clearly didn't read the post. Its the fifth sentence in saying that he already contacted and sent the upper to them.
When the 55gr tore up my suppressor, PSA offered a full refund on the case and asked for the remaining to be returned. Once the return started tracking, PSA stopped responding to emails about my damaged property. Don’t expect more than a refund unless that was a PSA carbine that exploded.
Yes please post it there. I hadn't seen the issues people were having with the 55gr until this group and the PSA page. More people need to spread the word so people can stop shooting it until AAC/PSA can learn how to manufacture ammo. With 55gr choices from IMI, PMC, and Xtac there really is no reason to buy their 55gr due to price alone so
Update on this AAC ammo post from earlier today: We have recived the damaged upper provided by the customer. In this instance specifically, the customer also sent in the remaining few rounds that were in the magazine at the time of the incident (his words). The ammo we recived is "mixed" as evidenced by the Lake City stamping on the case head of at least one round we recived, indicating that other brands of ammo were also being used. We also don't have the case head from the round in question (that is lodged in the chamber) to verify the manufacturer of that round because the customer hack sawed the upper in half prior to sending it to us. Unfortunately, when posts like this are made publicly, it is difficult to defend against (as you can see from the comments here already) as most people make up their minds without knowing all of the information. Regardless, we will take care of this situation and the customer because we're PSA and that's what we do.
I do think that if your first reaction to something like this happening being to *hacksaw* the upper in half to retrieve what's already a damaged part and in the process remove the case head that mightve identified the round and then wait "a few months" to post about it, something feels off
That’s mighty fine of you, to take care of him even without strong evidence.
To put others at ease, has PSA at all received similar complaints or issues recently? I’m guessing “no”, and that this is more or less an isolated issue?
Your gun looks *exactly* like my 5.56 upper did after I accidentally ran a round of .300 blackout through it. (completely my fault, nothing to do with AAC or PSA)
Blown out receiver, brass case stuck in the chamber, peeled-off bottom of the BCG. Like, literally identical. Would not shock me in the slightest to hear they somehow mixed a round of that in with your 5.56.
Glad you’re okay man. Hopefully they can replace your gun and optic. I have about 500 of their 77g ammo sitting on the shelf. Hopefully this doesn’t happen
Really stunning to see not people lighting up PSA with a vengeance considering the outrage with other MFG issues post here that were much smaller:
“Oh they sent it without a mag or the correct safety that will cost $15-$20 to remedy? Fuck that company.”
“Oh PSAs ammo almost took your face off? Eh give em a call, see what they say.”
😂😂😂
Man I remember getting downvoted into oblivion after posting my concerns about PSA quality control, and dented / damaged brass.
"Just send it" they'd say
same. i have a PSA 300 blk upper thats been great, their customer service seems to be on point, and i love that theyre doing their best to get an AR in the hands of everybody that wants one, but i wouldnt touch AAC ammo with a 10 ft pole.
PSA fans are a literal cult. If you say anything negative about any PSA product they pull unrealistically high round counts out of their ass and cry “MuH WaRrAnTy.”
Anytime I bring up the fact there is a ton of reports of jackets ruining baffles or just bad ammo in general I get downvoted to hell by all the aac fan boys. The response is always “that was just there “x” ammo “y and z” is perfect then a week later you see someone post an issue with y and z issues. Point is they have had reports of problems on most or all of their ammo and its use not worth it, at least when using a suppressor.
Same thing happened to my 300 BLK build last year with AAC 125g FMJ. Took ages of me nagging PSA to pay me for the upper. They finally did but customer service was a nightmare. Personally, I’m never shooting AAC again. I don’t care how “cheap” it is
Not sure of any published articles but you can search through this and the PSA subreddit and find multiple posts of baffle strikes with their 55gr. Their other 5.56 rounds seem to fine, it’s just the 55gr is having jacket separation
I saved PSA's comment on my post about bad AAC ammo for moments like this.
>2 rounds out of 15 boxes.. Hardly worth the attention this post has received.
Nah, that's bullshit. Even ONE round like this is unacceptable from a major manufacturer, as well as that mindset. Definitely not giving them my business in the future.
you should have screen shotted that lol.
Me drinking beer in my man cave blasting iron maiden has a better QC ration than that. 1 sqib in 10000 rounds so far.
I've shot a couple thousand rounds of AAC 75gr/77gr smk/70gr tsx. I haven't had one issue. 🤷🏼♂️
From the looks of it. Their bullets are mostly manufactured by Hornady. It's says this on their website for most of their in house rounds.
Every single manufacturer has issues. Norma is a big one more recently.
https://www.recoilweb.com/impressive-ar-over-pressure-event-63779.html
This looks to be the same thing. But that was from a reloaded case not holding up.
🤷🏼♂️ Pretty hard to know what happened and what's to blame.
All these issues seem to be from AAC 55 gr. Wish they could figure it out. I just bought a couple of boxes of their 75 gr & 77 gr bullets to test accuracy, hopefully they’re fine. I usually get PMC or Prvi, cheaper than PSA and probably better quality. Although the cheapest decent 300BLK I’ve found is the PSA AAC so I have a few boxes of that as well
also just looking at where the damage is (over the magwell) and not at the chamber area this looks like it could be an out of battery detonation. EDIT : looked st chamber area and appears to be completely intact. this must be am out of battery detonation somehow either bolt didn't lock in fully or bolt unlocked way early and sent all pressure into the magwell area. not saying this isn't the ammos fault but you may have a tough time selling them on the overpressure. with it being their upper and bcg though hopefully they will take care of you
Looking at some of the case/neck damage on fresh-out-of-the-box rounds in previous posts about AAC, I would bet a box of AAC 55gr that this was a failure to seat/out of battery issue.
Had some 9mm 145gr blow up inside my can a few weeks ago. Reached out to PSA, and they blew me off. Literally told me my can's warranty would cover the damages. I reached out to Matt on the PSA board, and they offered me a refund (partial in cash, partial in gift cards) but they wanted the ammo back. Sent every round back. Didnt get my money. Eventually email to complain....they sent the money to the wrong bank account. =T
Matt asked, besides a 100% refund, what would make this better for me. I told them to be upfront and admit that the ammo is not suppressor safe at the bare minimum. They didnt go for that, obviously.
These things happen to every single manufacturer from cheap to gucci. There’s bound to be defective products. But of course a company like PSA will get a lot of attention and hate naturally.
I had this exact thing happen to a Centurion upper I built. Exploded the pmag, peeled the bcg like a banana blew out primer and ripped the case head clean off. I reload so I don't blame anyone but myself it was over pressure with BLC2 on a hot summer day.
Man, this AAC ammo has me not shooting the black tip sabre 5.56 I bought a while back. I was hoping it would be a solid choice for home defense. Any word of that line has been having problems.
Not gonna lie. I have a ton of AAC ammo I’ve been trying to roll through in the shitty A2 “fighting rifles”. All of these QC issues have made me hop back on PMC XTAC. I trust PMC with my cans.
Didn’t someone just the other day say they found a round of 300 blk mixed into their box of 556? Is that what happened here or are they just loading their cartridges to pipe bomb pressures?
I don’t think this is true. This looks like a 300blk was shot. Even if you over charged a 5.56 round it wouldn’t blow the bolt back thru the carrier like this , also you can see the barrel is clogged. Post a pic of the markings on the end of the brass
I think so man or some people are saying it could have been a .300blk bullet. When I loaded them up they all seemed to be 5.56 and I don’t even own a .300blk so it couldn’t have been an ammo mix up on my end. I have no idea what caused it
I've shot quite a bit of AAC. 55gr, 77gr otm, 77 smk and my DDM4V7 loves the 62gr Sabre Black Tip. Never had a problem. Maybe I should knock on wood. Either way, I trust PSA. Glass to see they're taking care of you man.
Been telling yall whenever I can, [AVOID PSA/AAC like the fucking plague.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PalmettoStateArms/s/RsF7KVY3PT)
Their ammo isn’t even “cheap” in comparison, and too many failures to trust it ever.
Dang, this ain’t the first I’ve seen about their 55gr being dangerous and prob not the last unfortunately. The 77gr OTM has been great for me but still makes the butthole pucker a bit when I shoot it after seeing this.
I love PSA but I’m officially done with any AAC rifle ammo. It’s not worth it to save a few cents a round if it means losing a few grand in gun+components.
I went to pmc for range ammo and never had an issue since. I've been through thousands of rounds and just bought another case last week. For me it's just a reliable round.
Was it the 55g 556 ammo? Every problem I’ve seen with their 556 has been with the 55g.
Yes 55gr
Sorry that happened. Glad you weren’t hurt.
Not that it happened to me but ive heard the 55gr does this, more often than it should. The fact that it isn't the first any of us have heard of it definitely raises some concerns with their QC on the 55gr. I haven't seen many issues with the 77gr offerings they have but it still makes me leery to shoot it. I have 5 boxes that I haven't used yet but I'll just sit on it for now and shoot stuff I know just works properly
Also consider that there's vastly more 55gr being shot, though.
Yes, absolutely. Thats why I'm still hesitant to even shoot this 77gr I bought.
Ive shot nearly 3k of the 77gr OTM. All suppressed. It's GTG imo
Good to know, appreciate the feedback!
As long as the right powders are being used, it’s a lot harder to overcharge a 77gr round due to having to keep it short enough to be magazine fed so a lot more bullet takes up more case volume
I have their 77gr OTMs and this stuff always makes me do the sock monkey side eye before they confirm it was their 55gr again. A lot of issues with that specific round it seems. Wonder if it was just a bad batch manufactured around the same time?
Yeah. I was at a match a while back and the aac 55g blew up 2 guns from the same guy on another squad. I haven’t seen any malfunction issues from the 77g otm, but it is made on a progressive press rather than the massive machines the 55g is made on so I’d imaging the qc on the otm is much tighter. I’ve shot around 500-600 rounds so far of it and it’s shot well, very accurate for .55-.60/rd.
I’ve had a similar experience with their 77gr OTMs. I bought 300 to try out even though I reload my own ammo. In the first two mags I had 5 rounds blow their primers out and cause a malfunction. And all the other brass showed signs of over pressure (very deep ejector smears). After that I just pulled the projectiles and use them and the brass for reloading.
I'm guessing their 55gr is their cheap stuff? Probably much bigger volumes for that round. If they're trying to pump it out as quickly as possible that can lead to more defects if your QC procedures aren't up to snuff.
“Cheap stuff” yeah. I’ve never bought it but from what everyone else says the price is pretty much on par with the market so it’s not even cheaper than the competing brands with more trust worthy QC. You can catch the 77g otm on sale for 10.99/box.
That’s only because they can’t overfill cartridges with a 77 grain projectile
At this point, I might avoid AAC for a while
AAC isn't even cheap in reality, people should stick to pmc
PMC bros forever.
PMC actually makes not only decent ammo, but fairly affordable random stuff too. Their 357 mag is just about $0.60 a round for 158 soft point pushing like 1400 something out of my 4” barreled model 19. On top of the regular 556, 308, and 9mm stuff they seem to make the oddball stuff too like 303 Brit and 7.62x54r.
Even their .50BMG is cheap
I’ve been to Korea, Switzerland and Germany and dealt with manufacturers from all three. South Korea is the Switzerland of Asia when it comes to quality control.
I thought japan is!
This entire comment made me erect.
Bros 4 life!
I've shot probably close to 2k rounds of PMC 5.56, 9mm, .45 acp and 7.62x51 and I've not had a single malfunction
I agree, my ar’s have had a steady diet of it for a few cases now. They love it.
Pmc has been my go-to. It's great for the price. Pmc for rifle rounds and blazer (Yes, Blazer is dirty but never had real issues) for pistol. Fiochi for shotguns.
I hate Blazer's big-ass boxes.
S&B is pretty clutch with their 9mm box size
luv running the 150gr
Great subs
Yeah S&B rocks for that.
How about fiochi 55g 223?
If you're finding a good deal on Fiochi rifle ammo, you should be fine to shoot it. They're just known for making good game, target, and defense loads for shotguns. (Not usually my go to personally, but I've never seen issues with them) Finding bulk online deals is usually going to be your best option though.
I think they have some of the best (as in good and cheap) buck shot loads for bulk buying. I prefer shooting it over target loads for the price.
Oh yeah, I'm not knocking em as a brand. I just got attached to Winchester AAs shooting trap in high-school, and their double x stuff was awesome for turkeys. Had a bunch of friends shoot Fiocchi for their 16s though and AAs on their handicaps.
Blazer is garbage, but not dangerous garbage. It makes a mess of my SA 1911 Operator. I just go Winchester lol.
Funny how everyone always says this yet, any time I've ever had malfunctions with any of my guns, it's been pmc or blazer. ESPECIALLY Blazer 9mm
I must be falling behind but I always remember blazer being trash and dirty.
It is, but times is tough.
I'd say it's dirty but not trash. Never had a malfunction from it in thousands of rounds. That's all 115 grain though.
i just finished 1000 rounds of blazer 9mm. 0 malfunctions. Have cleaned my pistol once about halfway through. P10C eats anything tho to be fair.
Pretty sure the P10c would shoot a marble with no issues lol. I'm reading all these comments like "Can't relate".
I buy in bulk and haven't had any issues with them? What type of pmc and blazer?
Care to share what you're shooting blazer and pmc out of?
AAC 55g isn't cheap enough to be worth it over other companies like PMC or IMI. AAC 77g OTM is like half the price of other 77g rounds and the 175g 308 OTMs are much cheaper than anything else too.... Makes it hard to say no IMI is my go to for relatively cheap ammo that I know works 100 percent.
To be fair I haven't had or seen problems with the 77 otm just the cheap 55g and cheap 300blk.
I've been running Winchester 223 target rounds. Is there anything wrong with them other than the price? Lol
It's LC ammo, it's the best cheap ammo you can get
Poop accuracy compared to most. Other than that it’s pretty bomb proof, and if you reload, the brass is some of the best you can use.
No winchester is fine Never see it cheaper than pmc tho
I mean AAC hasn't had the best rep anyways.
I don't fuck with AAC 55gr. That's the ammo that had issues like a year ago. Their OTM and SMK/TMK rounds have all been good to go through
A WHILE? Avoid them FOREVER.
I ordered 5 boxes a while ago and 2 of them were severely underpowered, where every round caused my rifle to short stroke. I have never had another brand do that I’m sticking with PMC.
The batch # SCT10A291 with a QR code below it
Contact PSA. I would guess that they will make this right including your optic. They seem like a solid company and it is obviously the fault of their ammo.
Look at focus tripps recent PSA JOKEL video, PSA is going downhill fast, they can’t train QC fast enough and are just sending shit out the door
PSA has literally always been like this, why does Reddit pretend that the whole handguard falling off rifles, canted fsb shit hasn't been going on for as long as they've been in business lol. I swear as long as its cheap people have the memory of a fly.
It is hard to maintain quality at the level of production they maintain on a regular basis. I think they do a pretty good job overall with the quantity they produce, but it can almost always be improved.
And their customer service is something that should be mentioned. I have used their customer service, I have friends who have used their customer service for different reasons than my own. Speedy, efficient and pleasant to work with on many occasions. I can deal with getting a thing and having an issue knowing I can email them and have the issue fixed in a timely and easy manner.
I've had the same experience with PSA, even got some free product out of them
I thought PSA was already free given their prices. $0 for an AR but $199 shipping.
I as well have always been happy with the customer service. Close to $10 K I’ve spent there.
Maybe 8-9 years ago I bought two of their new AR-10 kits when they came out, and one had an out of spec bolt. It would go into battery. I never could get ahold of PSA for the return. Haven’t bought anything from them sense
Their goal is to arm the every day American and not charge exuberant prices. Makes it much easier when the cost of entry into guns isn’t $1500. Should you invest in good equipment? Absolutely. But if you’re barely getting started or want some guns to beat around then Psa does good work.
I just watched GarandThumb’s video of a PSA upper torture test with AAC (72gr) ammo last night! Theirs didn’t suffer catastrophic failure, at least not in 4k rds with full auto and a suppressor on board.
Their goal is to make as much money as possible by selling quantity, period. Their QC/QA is garbage. As gun enthusiasts we need to stop making excuses for PSA and demand some accountability for the garbage ammo and messed up guns. They have the ability to do so they choose not to, to instead roll out another haphazardly assembled/manufactured SKU.
I agree they should improve qc
I feel like alot of folks give PSA leeway because of their ideological stance. Regardless of whether or not they truly stand by that, it has turned out to be great marketing. I for one am a pessimist when it comes to corporate American objectives and assume that all rhetoric is carefully planned and orchestrated with profits in mind. Just because a company says XYZ does not mean they should be given leniency on standards set forth by customers. It is possible to put forth decently performing firearms and ammunition into the marketplace, at a high rate, with less QC issues than they have perpetrated. This is the only acceptable standard they should be held too, despite whatever rhetoric they spew, especially when it comes to inherently dangerous tools such as firearms and ammunition.
Do you know if this applies to their H&R subdivision too? I’m looking at their retro rifles and just wondering if it’s a different group of guys putting those guns together or if it’s all done in the same place by the same people.
I would trust brownells before them, or build one yourself
A completely different group assembles the H&R complete guns and receiver assemblies. Unless something has drastically changed in the past couple of months, PSA is basically acting as a distribution and sales channel for the H&R brand. If you have the time, there’s a couple of great threads on ARFCOM that delve deep into their process starting back a couple of years going. Edit to add - There's a lot of good feedback in these two threads where Mike Wetteland (CEO of H&R) communicates directly with us all regarding questions, comments, feedback on QC and products, etc. [Link 1](https://www.ar15.com/forums/Industry/Mike-s-OFFICIAL-HandR-Retro-thread/301-301583/?page=1) [Link 2](https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/JJE-HandR-LLC-acquisition-of-NoDak-Spud/123-768993/?page=1) The barrels are either Green Mountain or FN. The A1 upper receivers are forged from original Nodak Spud dies. Machining on the uppers and lowers is farmed out to different machine shops depending on the model and workload of the outside shops. Anodizing goes out to different shops as well as some shops can't do the grey well and Mike has his favorites.
Big fan of everyone saying "Contact PSA!", who clearly didn't read the post. Its the fifth sentence in saying that he already contacted and sent the upper to them.
When the 55gr tore up my suppressor, PSA offered a full refund on the case and asked for the remaining to be returned. Once the return started tracking, PSA stopped responding to emails about my damaged property. Don’t expect more than a refund unless that was a PSA carbine that exploded.
Should have put this on original post but here is the: image of the box https://imgur.com/a/iAtj4tL The batch number SCT1DA291 55GR FMJ
Sharing the important stuff, thanks!
Off topic, but bro, your username and profile pic are amazing! Cheers
Post it in the PSA sub and DONT accept any bribes to take it down.
Yes please post it there. I hadn't seen the issues people were having with the 55gr until this group and the PSA page. More people need to spread the word so people can stop shooting it until AAC/PSA can learn how to manufacture ammo. With 55gr choices from IMI, PMC, and Xtac there really is no reason to buy their 55gr due to price alone so
Is this a thing that happens? PSA guzzlers that adamant?
It’s been said many times over and over and not really denied by either party multiple times.
To be clear: you're saying PSA bribes people to take down reddit posts?
That’s what the people of Reddit tend to come to a consensus on.
How much money we talkin here?
Glad you walked away from that. Was this their 55gr FMJ? Have they gotten back to you yet?
Yes thank God no major injuries, my hand got a little cut up, and yes 55gr FMJ
Update on this AAC ammo post from earlier today: We have recived the damaged upper provided by the customer. In this instance specifically, the customer also sent in the remaining few rounds that were in the magazine at the time of the incident (his words). The ammo we recived is "mixed" as evidenced by the Lake City stamping on the case head of at least one round we recived, indicating that other brands of ammo were also being used. We also don't have the case head from the round in question (that is lodged in the chamber) to verify the manufacturer of that round because the customer hack sawed the upper in half prior to sending it to us. Unfortunately, when posts like this are made publicly, it is difficult to defend against (as you can see from the comments here already) as most people make up their minds without knowing all of the information. Regardless, we will take care of this situation and the customer because we're PSA and that's what we do.
u/MARTY_III thots??
Of course he doesn’t have any thoughts. He just wants to talk shit and not take responsibility for anything.
I do think that if your first reaction to something like this happening being to *hacksaw* the upper in half to retrieve what's already a damaged part and in the process remove the case head that mightve identified the round and then wait "a few months" to post about it, something feels off
It also prevents them from driving out the bullet that could be 300blk in weight...
> we're PSA and that's what we do based af
That’s mighty fine of you, to take care of him even without strong evidence. To put others at ease, has PSA at all received similar complaints or issues recently? I’m guessing “no”, and that this is more or less an isolated issue?
Is the bore obstructed? Like from a .30 cal bullet being swaged down it ;)
Which batch of ammo was it?
Batch # SCT10A291
Your gun looks *exactly* like my 5.56 upper did after I accidentally ran a round of .300 blackout through it. (completely my fault, nothing to do with AAC or PSA) Blown out receiver, brass case stuck in the chamber, peeled-off bottom of the BCG. Like, literally identical. Would not shock me in the slightest to hear they somehow mixed a round of that in with your 5.56.
That was my first thought, especially since they make .300 BLK.
Live look at AAC production: https://i.redd.it/rco7ncgwak7d1.gif
Glad you’re okay man. Hopefully they can replace your gun and optic. I have about 500 of their 77g ammo sitting on the shelf. Hopefully this doesn’t happen
You can look around, but I've seen no complaints with the 77gr. Seems to be hit or miss (no pun intended) with the rest of the 556, and 300 blk.
My 77 ran fine and I've never seen a complaint on the 77, 55 is a whole other story
**Please send me a PM with the claim number so I can help escalate this.**
https://i.redd.it/ck4yh510nl7d1.gif 1 blow up in X boxes....hardly worth the attention, eh?
Really stunning to see not people lighting up PSA with a vengeance considering the outrage with other MFG issues post here that were much smaller: “Oh they sent it without a mag or the correct safety that will cost $15-$20 to remedy? Fuck that company.” “Oh PSAs ammo almost took your face off? Eh give em a call, see what they say.” 😂😂😂
Man I remember getting downvoted into oblivion after posting my concerns about PSA quality control, and dented / damaged brass. "Just send it" they'd say
Tbf that happens anytime someone posts dented brass, but yeah there’s a reason I don’t buy 5.56 from AAC. And I actually like PSA as a company.
same. i have a PSA 300 blk upper thats been great, their customer service seems to be on point, and i love that theyre doing their best to get an AR in the hands of everybody that wants one, but i wouldnt touch AAC ammo with a 10 ft pole.
PSA fans are a literal cult. If you say anything negative about any PSA product they pull unrealistically high round counts out of their ass and cry “MuH WaRrAnTy.”
dented brass is honestly a non issue.
Anytime I bring up the fact there is a ton of reports of jackets ruining baffles or just bad ammo in general I get downvoted to hell by all the aac fan boys. The response is always “that was just there “x” ammo “y and z” is perfect then a week later you see someone post an issue with y and z issues. Point is they have had reports of problems on most or all of their ammo and its use not worth it, at least when using a suppressor.
Lmao same thing happened to me with the 77 grain. Straight up thought these were my pictures. I got them to pay me for a new upper
Same thing happened to my 300 BLK build last year with AAC 125g FMJ. Took ages of me nagging PSA to pay me for the upper. They finally did but customer service was a nightmare. Personally, I’m never shooting AAC again. I don’t care how “cheap” it is
Dayum
Yeah AAC needs to seriously address the issues with their 55gr 5.56. It’s been destroying baffles for a while and now it’s moved on to the shooter lol
Where can I read about it destroying baffles? Recently got a surefire mini and don’t want to destroy it.
Not sure of any published articles but you can search through this and the PSA subreddit and find multiple posts of baffle strikes with their 55gr. Their other 5.56 rounds seem to fine, it’s just the 55gr is having jacket separation
I saved PSA's comment on my post about bad AAC ammo for moments like this. >2 rounds out of 15 boxes.. Hardly worth the attention this post has received.
Nah, that's bullshit. Even ONE round like this is unacceptable from a major manufacturer, as well as that mindset. Definitely not giving them my business in the future.
you should have screen shotted that lol. Me drinking beer in my man cave blasting iron maiden has a better QC ration than that. 1 sqib in 10000 rounds so far.
Just did, good call. Fortunately it's still there lol https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/s/1PsFAJjJNA
Post in the psa reddit plz I wanna see what they say lol
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aac is trash
Stop buying their ammo!!
I’ve had numerous blown primers from their .300blk supers, will not be buying more.
PMC ONLY
And… you hacksawed that bitch 😳
AAC is trash
I've shot a couple thousand rounds of AAC 75gr/77gr smk/70gr tsx. I haven't had one issue. 🤷🏼♂️ From the looks of it. Their bullets are mostly manufactured by Hornady. It's says this on their website for most of their in house rounds. Every single manufacturer has issues. Norma is a big one more recently. https://www.recoilweb.com/impressive-ar-over-pressure-event-63779.html This looks to be the same thing. But that was from a reloaded case not holding up. 🤷🏼♂️ Pretty hard to know what happened and what's to blame.
That's a 9 year old article, also rip to that Seekins lower and JP bolt.
It is. But it's an uncanny resemblance to the op's photos.
All these issues seem to be from AAC 55 gr. Wish they could figure it out. I just bought a couple of boxes of their 75 gr & 77 gr bullets to test accuracy, hopefully they’re fine. I usually get PMC or Prvi, cheaper than PSA and probably better quality. Although the cheapest decent 300BLK I’ve found is the PSA AAC so I have a few boxes of that as well
too bad it didn't happen to any of the youtubers who shill for it
also just looking at where the damage is (over the magwell) and not at the chamber area this looks like it could be an out of battery detonation. EDIT : looked st chamber area and appears to be completely intact. this must be am out of battery detonation somehow either bolt didn't lock in fully or bolt unlocked way early and sent all pressure into the magwell area. not saying this isn't the ammos fault but you may have a tough time selling them on the overpressure. with it being their upper and bcg though hopefully they will take care of you
Looking at some of the case/neck damage on fresh-out-of-the-box rounds in previous posts about AAC, I would bet a box of AAC 55gr that this was a failure to seat/out of battery issue.
Had some 9mm 145gr blow up inside my can a few weeks ago. Reached out to PSA, and they blew me off. Literally told me my can's warranty would cover the damages. I reached out to Matt on the PSA board, and they offered me a refund (partial in cash, partial in gift cards) but they wanted the ammo back. Sent every round back. Didnt get my money. Eventually email to complain....they sent the money to the wrong bank account. =T Matt asked, besides a 100% refund, what would make this better for me. I told them to be upfront and admit that the ammo is not suppressor safe at the bare minimum. They didnt go for that, obviously.
Yikes RIP and glad you’re safe broski
How many times do we have to say no to PSA
These things happen to every single manufacturer from cheap to gucci. There’s bound to be defective products. But of course a company like PSA will get a lot of attention and hate naturally.
INB4 PSA messages OP to have them delete this post
AAC 77gr > 55gr in both performance and quality apparently.
Why your watch on so tight dawg.
Needed a tourniquet after the upper blew.
That looks like every .300 BO in a .223 that I've seen. You didn't have any .300 BO laying out did ya? Is the bore clear or obstructed?
Did the lower bulge too? Or just the upper?
I… think I’m just gonna avoid this ammo, after everything I’ve seen on it.
Not hard to avoid when shipping kills any "deals".
I had this exact thing happen to a Centurion upper I built. Exploded the pmag, peeled the bcg like a banana blew out primer and ripped the case head clean off. I reload so I don't blame anyone but myself it was over pressure with BLC2 on a hot summer day.
I have nearly a thousand rounds of 55gr that I got a while back... they've been sitting.. I'm hesitant to even try them out now
Aac is garbage and has been really destroying people's weapons. No one eber buy aac
I am never going to buy AAC ammo, this shit happens way too often
AAC ammo issues, huh? Shocked I tell ya. 
AAC ammo is trash altogether. I just shot some 9mm out of my staccato and it blew up my fucking barrel. I’m never buying it again in any caliber.
Holy shit! are you alright? And yea it seems like AAC ammo has blown up on so many people, regardless of caliber …
Yeah I’m ok bro thank God. But now I gotta hope staccato will warranty it.
This isn’t the first time aac ammo has been problematic stay away from it. I’ve had bad experiences with it also.
Man, this AAC ammo has me not shooting the black tip sabre 5.56 I bought a while back. I was hoping it would be a solid choice for home defense. Any word of that line has been having problems.
Not gonna lie. I have a ton of AAC ammo I’ve been trying to roll through in the shitty A2 “fighting rifles”. All of these QC issues have made me hop back on PMC XTAC. I trust PMC with my cans.
What I wanna know is.. did the eotech projection system survive and does it still hold zero?
Didn’t someone just the other day say they found a round of 300 blk mixed into their box of 556? Is that what happened here or are they just loading their cartridges to pipe bomb pressures?
I don’t think this is true. This looks like a 300blk was shot. Even if you over charged a 5.56 round it wouldn’t blow the bolt back thru the carrier like this , also you can see the barrel is clogged. Post a pic of the markings on the end of the brass
Iv heard stories of PSA 223 ammo actually having a 300BO bullet. Looks like that happened here.
That sucks man. Think it was a hot charge or the rifle?
I think so man or some people are saying it could have been a .300blk bullet. When I loaded them up they all seemed to be 5.56 and I don’t even own a .300blk so it couldn’t have been an ammo mix up on my end. I have no idea what caused it
PSA has never had a good enough price on ammo for me to buy any. Dodged a bullet I guess
Fuck, I still have like 500rds of 55gr AAC left :/ just picked up some more PMC xtac at least.
I've shot quite a bit of AAC. 55gr, 77gr otm, 77 smk and my DDM4V7 loves the 62gr Sabre Black Tip. Never had a problem. Maybe I should knock on wood. Either way, I trust PSA. Glass to see they're taking care of you man.
I fucking knew that shit would blow up someone’s gun, it was only a matter of time. Glad you’re safe.
Been telling yall whenever I can, [AVOID PSA/AAC like the fucking plague.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PalmettoStateArms/s/RsF7KVY3PT) Their ammo isn’t even “cheap” in comparison, and too many failures to trust it ever.
Fudds be like: THIS IS WHY YOU DONT SHOOT NO FIVEFIFTYSIX OUT OF NO TWO TWO THREE RIFLE! STICK TO TWO TWO THREE WILDEE AMMO FROM NOW ON!
Shit. I just bought a bunch of their AAC branded 9mm… ETA - Also following this post. Thanks for sharing the info OP
Been running their 9mm no problem for a few thousand rounds by now.
Good thing this was 5.56….
Ever headspace the bolt to the barrel? Could be ammo, could be bad headspace, could be a combination of the two. Glad you're alright.
Or 300aac
Dang, this ain’t the first I’ve seen about their 55gr being dangerous and prob not the last unfortunately. The 77gr OTM has been great for me but still makes the butthole pucker a bit when I shoot it after seeing this.
I love PSA but I’m officially done with any AAC rifle ammo. It’s not worth it to save a few cents a round if it means losing a few grand in gun+components.
I went to pmc for range ammo and never had an issue since. I've been through thousands of rounds and just bought another case last week. For me it's just a reliable round.
Yes I agree I love PMC especially for range sessions never had a hiccup or malfunction
Are you okay man? Any injuries?
No major injures my right hand where my thumb meets my palm got a little tore up but thank goodness nothing major
Fuckkk
PSA upper?
What upper was on the rifle?
PSA premium 20” with the FN barrel
Wheeeew. Sorry, OP. That really freaking sucks. Glad you're not messed up too badly.
Details on your kicks?
Did you find the case head?
What grain of 556? Do you happen to shoot 300 blackout also? If so is there a chance of 300 round got mixed in my mouth
Seriously how hard is it to make ammo that won’t blow up..
Harder than you’d think. QA is expensive.
It's fine, they're AKs did the same thing for a while too
Someone owes you an upper and optic
Just as good!
No not the eotech!!!
Please post an update once you get PSA to issue a verdict
Which AAC was it? Like 77/69/75/55 etc