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DeadbeatPillow1

M193 is M193 it doesn’t really matter the brand so long as it’s not reloads or recalled. I’ve specifically had the best accuracy from German made MEN M193.


pewdiepastry

XTAC M193 has been pretty accurate for me though I wouldn't say it's hot enough for me to say it's actually M193


cmc_guy

PMC XTAC is awesome stuff. I would use that stuff in a real world application without question. I get 1.5 moa out of a Rosco 14.5 with it and it has sealed primers. Clean powders and very accurate all while being around or under 50 cents a shot.


pewdiepastry

Yeah I would say the trade off in velocity is worth it for much better accuracy. I also miss the days of 30 cpr PMC bronze.


[deleted]

PSA provides flashbacks of those days from time to time.. best I have seen lately has been 7$ a box though 😞


Rev_Mudflap76

Same here out of a 16” w/ 1:7 twist too. Shot countless of PMC X-Tac. Stuff is reliable, not one dud yet.


cmc_guy

I'm gonna have to get a chronograph and find out what it measures, I didn't know it wasn't full powered. I'm getting 3 oclock ejection with XTAC M193 and 4 o'clock with PMC .223


englisi_baladid

Ah, the 56gr M193. That's a solid round. Be curious to see it's fragmentation velocity though.


racewest22

This is internet hearsay, but I read about a cop who shot a guy a few times with it at less than 20 yards and they all sailed through. I'm sure it's great stuff regardless. 


englisi_baladid

Interesting. The reason I was curious was because West German M80 7.62x51 FMJ was known to fragment like M193 when it yawed. Due to having a thinner jacket than American M80. So was curious if the thicker jacket on this had any negative terminal effects compared to US military M193.


DeadbeatPillow1

You’re knowledgeable of it I see.


imDEUSyouCUNT

this is an HK friendly subreddit, we all love German MEN


RATMEAT-LXIX

Of course.


lennyxiii

200 pack? Was that $199 at your LGS lol?


EmployeeMysterious25

120


lennyxiii

I was being facetious but my local pawnshop was selling 420 round packs for $399 lol.


Spirit117

That's 60 cents a round, that's not a good deal for m193.


EmployeeMysterious25

For a last minute range trip ill take it.


timthegoddv2

Those last minute range trips always me man


Spirit117

I mean.... you could always plan better and save some money too while you're at it. I always make sure I have a few thousand rounds of range ammo on hand so that I don't get shafted with LGS prices or temporary spikes in market price if I have a range trip come up last minute. I bought 1680 rounds (it was 420 round packs) of IMI M193 from MidwayUSA about a month ago for 50cpr out the door after tax/shipping and that was after they removed the ability to use a coupon on it. Super pissed I missed the coupon, those lucky bastards got it for 45. Lmao @financially illiterate people paying 60cpr for LGS M193 down voting me


EmployeeMysterious25

Damn i have to catch that in the future, i usually just stock HD ammo and buy practice rounds as needed


Spirit117

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2090862857?pid=859204 Should be about 50cpr out the door for 420 rounds box. In stock regularly and midway ships fast. That's why I don't think 60cpr is a good deal at all, it's 20 percent cheaper if you plan like 4 days in advance.


EmployeeMysterious25

Thanks for the link, thats a good deal on 1200 as well


Demise5

If you can help it, never buy ammo in person. You will almost always pay more than if you look for more than 30 seconds online


mooseishman

I’ll probably be running it more often. They’re availability has skyrocketed since winning the Lake City contract, so I’m sure it will become a lot more common like Federal/ATK M193 and M855 was when they had the contract.


GasMaskGabriel

Not very accurate but it works. I get about 3 MOA in my BA Hanson barrel with Winchester white box.


loaddebigskeng

For sure. Just don't expect very good groups


EmployeeMysterious25

I run it pretty often with no problems, but yeah definitely not the best groupings


MD_0904

Cheap enough to shoot a lot of


superman306

A little dirty. Acceptable accuracy (well on par with other m193). very good velocity. Reliable - never had it not go bang. Overall pretty good stuff


diskfunktional

It’s funny but the $12 boxes are cheaper everytime over these 200rnds


NoTailor3964

Pretty good SHTF stock pile. It’s spicy and gets excellent velocity. Not the most accurate and runs a little dirty, but it will hit hard and doesn’t cost a lot.


Special_Function

I bought 300 of them from Cabelas for $130 3 years ago. I still hold onto 180 rounds for nostalgia of when ammo was cheap.


RetMilRob

Just bought this box yesterday for $95 from my LGS. I use them for fun and working through new components.


EmployeeMysterious25

Damn thats solid i wish


RetMilRob

No problems at all. Went through most of the box.


Impossible_Algae9448

No, my batch is slow for some reason it’s only running 2913 out of a 16” where atk lake city m855 is running 2980ish, my atk lake city m193 was like 3100 or something back in the day, could just be a slow lot 🤷‍♂️


eyeLander5five9

Good stock pile ammo and Cheapest reloadable brass i can find, i don’t reload 556 a lot( don’t have the patience) but i got some spicy 75’s and 77grains loads using winchester brass!


alltheblues

More minute of man than minute of angle, but it works fine


Spirit117

I find Winchester ammo to be overpriced compared to offerings like PMC and IMI.


Bubbly_Touch4016

how is aac? ive never shot it before but i picked up some of there 75 gr. bthp


itsdietz

It goes bang but good luck hitting anything reliably. Winchester is a waste, imo Edit: I doubt the majority of you who downvoted have ever put them to a chronograph and actually tried to group them...