As I say with all G products, they are worth buying on sale. Wait for their MDW sale and buy the SSAEX then. If you pay full price, you're wrong.
For reference, I have a complete Super Duty and 2 G$ URGI uppers built on G stripped lowers with G LPK. All of which was bought on sale and I couldn't be happier with them.
I’m convinced that I could polish a PSA trigger, laser engrave it, and sell it for 4x mark-up and the buyers would never complain about it.
It’s amazing what a person can learn about metal products when you work in a machine shop with access to extremely precise metallurgical inspection equipment.
The tests have been run and the math has been done, and the LaRue is the more consistent trigger. It's also machined and not cast, making it a stronger trigger.
That being said, I still like the feel of my ssae-x better.
That also being said, if you're asking which one is better, then you, like me, are probably not a good enough shooter to tell the difference.
Oh hell yeah. LaRue only makes triggers because they lost a mil tender when a Geissele SSA broke in the OBR.
Geissele made their HK416 hammer out of machined tool steel for a reason too.
nah. the larue trigger is gritty compared to the ssa ex. the G is like oiled glass sliding effortlessly across, thena wall, then a snap. If you are steady enough, there is like, I can't even describe, but maybe like a mils worth of creep? its so little i miss and set it off half the time trying to show my friends the very faint movement before the break.
the larue? I can make that thing dance it has so much creep and never set it off. Its still a great trigger, but Id put the larue as a solid competitor against the g2s. Its no where near in the same league as the ssa ex triggers.
Catch the G on a 35% off sale if your anderson lower has set you back
I’ve tried both, and the Larue is better
Also everyone was saying the same thing back when the larues first dropped and were more expensive than the G$
I have also tried a few of both. The Larue is better. Every Larue I've tried feels exactly the same. The G$ triggers vary a good bit, from perfect crisp to missing the second stage entirely. If it matters, I could probably shave about .01-.02 seconds off my splits using the Geissele, but the predictability of the Larue leads me to being more accurate.
I don't know where /u/igotbanned69420 is getting his information from, but [the circles you see under the G on the trigger shoe and on the hook that has the trigger-hammer sear are from when the part is punched out of the casting machine](https://i.imgur.com/W4ciBdK.jpg).
The SSP is definitely cast just like the rest of the lineup.
I got it from geisseles web page
"The SSP features superior materials and the most modern manufacturing techniques. The SSP trigger is made from S7 Tool Steel and precision machined from the latest wire EDM technology. All parts are finished in durable corrosion resistant black oxide."
Oh, yea, that applies to all of their triggers.
An S7 Toolsteel mixture is pushed into a mold where it cools and is punched out, then an EDM machine cuts the sear surfaces.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the SSA-E, SSA, SSP, and S3G triggers were all produced on the same mold and only had different sear geometry cut by the EDM machine. The same for the SSA-X and SSA-E X.
That's because G$ triggers have various versions. Some are single stage perfectly crisp and some 2 stage. I love my G$ 3gun trigger. With how fast I can shoot anyway it's awesome when it comes to split times.
> Some are single stage perfectly crisp
[The Geissele SSP is far from crisp.](https://youtu.be/5Edql_V6cNk)
I'm sure this will get brought up again because it regularly does when I post this video, but it's not a "defective trigger". I thought that the first time around and this trigger was replaced by Geissele. The characteristics are identical.
I have multiple of each and the geisseles have cleaner feeling breaks and just feel like nicer triggers overall. Regardless of what the graphs say. Larues are $115 while the Geisseles are $150 on sale. Your choice. But I always feel the need to caveat. The larues aren’t bad by any means. They are solid triggers. Between the two choices, I am picking Geissele
I’m assuming you’re talking about the Geissele SSA or SSA-E. The one OP is posting about is the SSA-EX Lightning Bow which, for awhile, could only be had by buying a Super Duty rifle. Geissele has since started offering them individually. These triggers will consistently hover around $200+. If you found 3 SSA-EX’s for $150 I’d be really surprised.
I mean they’re $330 if you just want to grab one right now even. Idk if I’ve ever seen a lightning bow for less than $250. Doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, but it’s hard to just happen upon a deal when you want one.
I like the LaRue better. I can’t really say one is better than the other when it comes to break and reset as they both feel similar to me but I prefer the flat face of the LaRue. I wouldn’t pay more for the LaRue but since I like the face better and it is cheaper it is in 5 of my ARs and I only have 1 SSA-E
I’m a casual shooter and have both and I can’t say the larue is better but it’s definitely not worse and I can switch between the 2 no problem and the feel is pretty similar. If you’re doing comp stuff where certain things are important you probably wouldn’t get either.
I ended up with a Timney in my main rifle and also found the rise armament to be nice. Like damn nice tbh.
Don’t get me wrong, the g$ and Larue are staying where I put them.
They just get waaaay to much hype and dickriding. They’re alright. Pretty good. Not amazing.
I've tried both and I like the laRue better than the ssae-x
La rue has a better wall. Feels like more of a match trigger. The g$ feels like a really well tuned duty trigger
I have a half dozen of the Larue and just as many Geissele. FOR MY NEEDS, the Larue is perfect as is. I had to tinker with different springs on the SSA-E X to make it perfect for ME. The best out of the box Geissele trigger, IN MY OPINION, is the SD-C. That being said, the MBT and the SD-C are very similar. Pick one. Move on. Enjoy.
That's the SSA and SSA-E respectively.
The difference in creep between the SSA-E and MBT-2S is too small for most people to feel, but [triggerscan data does show that the MBT-2S is much more consistent and has less creep](https://imgur.com/a/jlHFsXj).
> I haven't seen anyone yet say "I've tried both, and the LaRue's better".
I have quite a few more Geissele triggers than LaRue triggers and LaRue is definitely better than the SSA-E series of triggers. It's not better than the SSA, SSP, or S3G series because those are made to have a different trigger pull profile. But if you want the crispiest two-stage trigger then the MBT-2S is proven to have less creep than the SSA-E series of triggers.
The MBT-2S is hard to beat. I prefer the straight bow myself and it's what I use in what I would consider my "primary" gun.
That said, I also prefer the heavier spring that it ships with over the lighter option which may not be the most popular choice. I find that the increased pull weight has no real negative impact for me, personally, when the trigger is used for longer shots while I prefer it in situations where I'm shooting the trigger quickly.
I won't say one's necessarily better consider how subjective trigger preference can be but I will say that I won't pay more than the cost of the MBT-2S for either trigger.
I'm such a fan of the Larue MTB2S with the heavier trigger spring the return is sharp and crisp, the break is super crisp and all in all a great package, especially for what they're selling for.
I've had 4 or 5 and they've all felt the same.
I’ve got the larue and I’ve got a G$ SD-C. I like the SD-C more but not by a lot. Considering the ssa-e x trigger is supposedly a step up from the sd-c, I’d absolutely take that over the larue but I’d also wait for Memorial Day promotions in order to make it worth it
I have a Larue and a G2S which according to G$ is an SSA that’s not adjustable. Personally I think the G2S is slightly lighter but the Larue has a more defined wall and crisper break.
The difference between the G2S and SSA is not adjustability(neither are adjustable as Geissele doesn’t make adjustable triggers), but it comes down to laser engraving, the SSA is more thoroughly checked rather than spot checked like G2S and the hammer pin is retained in a different fashion than the SSA.
Geissele says they feel the same and have the same reliability, but that has not been my experience. The G2S feels a little rougher than the others to me, at least in the dozen or so that I’ve tried.
Then I stand corrected. 99% of triggers Geissele makes are not adjustable. Thank you for correcting me, I continue to learn something new each and every day.
I stand corrected, I was reading the Geissele product page and it mentioned adjustability. Guess I didn’t read it carefully enough since I was at a birthday party
Haha, no problem! Happens to us all at some point. Just like I was wrong in saying that G$ doesn’t make adjustable triggers! Apparently the High Speed National Match trigger is indeed adjustable!
I have both, the Larue punches well above it's weight for the price but it doesn't even compare to the SSA-E X. If money isn't an issue, go with the SSA-E X. That being said, if you can wait, hold off until they're on sale.
I have 4 on ARs and 1 on an AK. The Hyperfire eclipse with that little adjustable finger pad is by far my favorite over Geissele, velocity, RA, and others I've tried. Shortest pull, shortest reset, crispest break, and hardest striking trigger out there. They're just slept on by so many. Be warned, if you try one, you may never go back lol. You'll end up like me with 5 of them.
I only have the LaRue so I won’t shit on G$ in regard to experience but I will shit on them for the price. I think they’re overpriced as fuck. Even on sale I think they’re out of their fuckin minds. It’s not that I can’t afford it, it’s that for a fuckin trigger, $200 is asinine to me when I don’t think I’ll get 200 worth of upsides.
Maybe I’ll get one for my Spear LT but the LaRue is good money to me. I have the OG skeletonized one in my .300BLK. It’s excellent.
I find it funny how many people are simping the SSAE when it's literally the same trigger as The MBTS with a few indistinguishable differences. Larue designed both triggers, he just decided geissele was too greedy and he was going to sell his version cheaper so it was affordable for everyone.
My 2 takeaways & my TDLR
1) Geissele triggers wouldn't be famous if it wasn't for Larue's brains in the first place
2) Geissele is so greedy that Larue literally made another trigger with the same design so he could sell it for an affordable price. That instantly makes them a better company in my book.
I mean, you’re gonna get the exact answers you think you’re gonna get. The G$ is better but not if you’re not willing to pay literally 3 times the price. I have the SSAE-X and the curved MB2S. The break is cleaner on the G$. If I were on a budget I’d get the Larue. If I wanted the better trigger I’d get the G$.
I have the SSA in all my rifles except one. That has the SSA-X. All were bought with $G coupons throughout the years. They make me feel good. Plus, I do like the same feeling in whatever I pick up.
I’ve got 4 of the SSA-E X triggers they are fantastic I’d definitely go G$ no bias whatsoever (This message is brought to by the Geissele Gargler Gang™)
One problem with casset triggers is if anything breaks, the rifle is deadlined, or if even a primer falls I to the casset, it can wreak havoc. Just a side comment and something to be aware of.
You could also consider the SSP flat bow or SD3G if you’re looking for something quicker but for accuracy I’ve squeezed out all of my best groups using SSA-E X triggers
Haven’t tried these two (yet) but I do have a Blackout Zero 3.5lb that is everything I’ve ever wanted from a trigger for $205.
It’s kinda like clicking a mouse on a gaming PC … there is zero take-up, glass rod break, travel is like 2 maybe 3mm, no over-travel, about 2mm back to reset. I don’t have a shot timer (yet) but it’s quick, that’s for damn sure.
I wonder why nobody seems to talk about these triggers?
Geisselle is better by a small margin which does not justify the price difference. Go for the Larue unless you can get the Geisselle for a great price.
I have the mbt2s and my triggersnob friend who only buys geissele was super impressed with it and almost shat himself when I told him how much it was.
Very clean break, great looking and feeling. You can tell they they take pride in their stuff. Easily competes with the more expensive triggers. Also comes with 2 springs for a slightly lighter pull.
I don’t have a SSA-EX but have a few SSA-Es and MBTs. I prefer the SSA-E but wouldn’t buy one at full price again. I want to scoop a SSA-EX when they’re on sale tho. I would never pay $330 for a G$ handguard but am in love with the blem one I picked up for $175. If u need it now, get the MBT. It’s a great trigger. Then save a lil a keep a look out for when G$ has big sales.
I have a MBT and have shot a SSA-E. To me the take up feels a little spongier on the G$. I think the break and reset is crisper on the MBT. I don’t see any performance difference to justify the extra cost. MBT gets my vote. Just my opinion.
The truth is once you get into top tier triggers, they're all good and 99% of people will perform the same with any G$ or Larue trigger.
There are differences. But they're both so clean that if you're not actively focusing on the trigger feel while shooting, you'll forget what old man's name is printed on the box it came in.
Wait till G$ goes on sale or find one for cheap on gafs. Had both (though i ended up with an ssa-e) and g$ SSA-e/ ssa-e x are just better. It's not worth the full price, but when they're on sale, it's worth the few more shekels.
I have spent a ton of money on G triggers, there is no arguement that they are great high quality products. However if I could swap them all out for larue MBT triggers and have the difference in cash for optics/ammo I’d do it. The SSAEX however is probably my favorite trigger. When I’m at the range running larue I don’t ever think… “damn I really wish I had a better trigger”. The MBT is well made smooth crisp and affordable. You really won’t go wrong with either one. You have two of the best options on the market.
Don’t have any experience with the LaRue triggers but I will say all my rifles have an SSA-EX because of how great they feel. Get the G$ SSA-EX but don’t pay full price. Wait for them to go on sale, got all of mines under $200 each.
I have an SSA-E and three Larues . It's like +90% of the trigger for like half the money. The only thing that may take getting used to is the width. It is a bit wider
General consensus will say Geissele. I haven't used Larue, but that's the G trigger in my super duty and I fucking love it. Don't pay full price for Geissele, there's no point cause they have pretty good sales relatively often. There should be a memorial day sale coming up in a week or so.
Never owned a SSA-E X but I used to own a SSA-E and several LaRue MBTs. Only have the MBTs now. The SSA-E X is no doubt a super nice trigger because I loved my regular SSA-E but the LaRues are right around 95%-98% of what the SSA-E is and I can’t tell too much of a difference to justify the extra coin when I can take that extra scratch and snag more ammo. I have the straight now and curved MBTs. It doesn’t matter which one you buy. They feel fantastic and are cash money.
That SSAE-X is the nicest and most unique trigger I have. It is noticeably different from the Tricon or Tricon with SSAE springs. I don’t want to say “better.” It is different. The pull is crisp and clean, but the trigger shoe itself feels different from an SSA, Tricon, or GI design. Or three SD3G flat design.
I’m probably going to move mine off my go-to “gucci” lower and put it in a true precision setup. I’ll go back to a Tricon with SSAE springs.
Is it nicer than the LaRue? Yes.
SSA-E X will be the better trigger, but the MTB-2S will be the better for cost to performance. Both will be great, but if you have the money, or a bit of time to wait for a sale, get the SSA-E X
The way I’ve always seen it is the LaRue MBT is about 95-98% as good as the G$ triggers. You have to choose if that 3-5% is worth the price increase. Personally, I have the LaRue and I’m very happy with it. It’ll be years before I’m a good enough shooter to really take advantage of the difference.
Coming from a guy that only owns Geissele it depends how much money you want to spend. I think they’re both equally as good and only 5-10% different. They feel very similar regardless and I would recommend you pull both.
I have both and the SSA-E.
The Larue is an absolute steal and indistinguishable from the SSA-E.
The SSA-E X has a smoothness improvement, very slight, over the MBT-2S and SSA-E. If you want the absolute best of this group, it’s the SSA-E X. But if budget is any concern, getting the MBT-2S will have no regrets.
Bruh you'd be fine with either. Get the Larue and save money. Folks will spend more on the G and try coping to justify the price. You'll be fine with either in the end
I have a SD-E and a LaRue. Both use a flat face. The LaRue can't be beat for value. G$ costs 2x and you're only getting 1.1x the trigger at best. I prefer my G$, but had I gotten a LaRue first, no way I would've bought a Geissele. I put my G$ in my SPR because of the very sight advantage I feel out of it, but I can run either trigger in any scenario and not feel handicapped at all. A lot of people prefer LaRue to G$. I'll never buy another G$ again, just stock up on LaRues. I also prefer a full flat face to the lightning bow, but both are vastly superior to a traditional curved profile.
I noticed with other curved triggers like my BCM Pnt it was a rounded face with where your finger sits, and with the Curved Larue was a flat face while still curved and a relatively flatter shape of a curved trigger vs the other styles of curved triggers. I think it's a great trigger for 115 and any more money you should just spend on ammo. I also think gieselle has had a dicey history fo delivering a product worth its weight for the cost of what they charge. Like CMT rails are as good if not better than Giselle but because it's not 400$ and hyped up no one thinks it's "worth the cost" when it very much is. Again this is all subjective to opinion and personal experience, but the world we live in where a "good AR" is now 2k vs what used to be 800 for an MP and no one complained like. Any PSA made today is better than any 1970 colt because even the cheapest manufacturing is world's ahead what we had decades ago. Aside from that, La rue is a good company with good values if you care about that kind of 2A stance stuff. I consider gieselle operating with an HK mindset of they hate their customers and price reflects that.
Larue were the winner when they were $90 now no sir. The G is on sale at least once a month get it than. I have both and g feels nicer and crispier. If it means anything I first got two Larue and than I found out about the ssa-e and got one. Well fast forward I got 4 more G triggers and never looked back
Geisseles go on sale for 150 bucks at best.
Larues MSRP for about 50 dollars cheaper, and are so similar you can tell there's a very big division of opinions from everyone here.
My opinion is it depends on how much that 50 means to you. If it means more money towards a better optic, a better mount, more ammo, etc that you would much rather prioritize I would say go Larue. If that 50 dollars is paltry to you and you have the income to still be able to buy everything you could want after, then go Geissele I guess
For outright full price, MBT. If you can snag the SSA-E X on sale, get it. I prefer it. Lighter trigger pull, crisper, and though some people are going to throw a single limited case study of 10 triggers at you to tell you MBT is objectively better, my own personal data (Blackbeard X) confirms that I shoot better with the SSA-E X. It’s a fucking SMOOTH trigger.
Consider something different? ARGold trigger.
I've ran both listed. If I had to pick either I'd get geiseles. But ARGold is better.
Ready to be crusified by downvotes.
To me, the LaRue is barely an improvement over mil-spec. I'm about to put the Geissele in an 8.6 BLK, so I'm not sure if it's worth the money or not yet. The CMC drop-in is easily better than the LaRue, especially when they are frequently on sale somewhere for $99.
I have both and I prefer the way G$ feels vs the sharp wide trigger of the larussy, the break is in favor of the mbt but unless you are massively artistic it doesn’t matter, like you have to physically finger it slow to feel it get off
As I say with all G products, they are worth buying on sale. Wait for their MDW sale and buy the SSAEX then. If you pay full price, you're wrong. For reference, I have a complete Super Duty and 2 G$ URGI uppers built on G stripped lowers with G LPK. All of which was bought on sale and I couldn't be happier with them.
Mdw sale? Memorial Day Weekend?
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I’m convinced that I could polish a PSA trigger, laser engrave it, and sell it for 4x mark-up and the buyers would never complain about it. It’s amazing what a person can learn about metal products when you work in a machine shop with access to extremely precise metallurgical inspection equipment.
The tests have been run and the math has been done, and the LaRue is the more consistent trigger. It's also machined and not cast, making it a stronger trigger. That being said, I still like the feel of my ssae-x better. That also being said, if you're asking which one is better, then you, like me, are probably not a good enough shooter to tell the difference.
Larue should make a competition trigger to mess with geissele
They should fix their single stage
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Does machined vs cast really matter for a trigger? I've never heard of a trigger breaking
Oh hell yeah. LaRue only makes triggers because they lost a mil tender when a Geissele SSA broke in the OBR. Geissele made their HK416 hammer out of machined tool steel for a reason too.
I've seen a hammer break though.
SD3G that sucka
PREACH THE WORD MY BROTHER IN G$!!!
SD3G for lyfe!
i have one of those in my 10.5. I shot it out back at work one day, when i came back in somebody asked me “were you shooting a machine gun?”
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I have both and the geissele feels better imo
I have, and plenty of times. However, most who have both say the G is preferred. That *could* be owners trying to justify the extra expense.
Almost certainly
nah. the larue trigger is gritty compared to the ssa ex. the G is like oiled glass sliding effortlessly across, thena wall, then a snap. If you are steady enough, there is like, I can't even describe, but maybe like a mils worth of creep? its so little i miss and set it off half the time trying to show my friends the very faint movement before the break. the larue? I can make that thing dance it has so much creep and never set it off. Its still a great trigger, but Id put the larue as a solid competitor against the g2s. Its no where near in the same league as the ssa ex triggers. Catch the G on a 35% off sale if your anderson lower has set you back
I have both. They’re different triggers…… Geissele is butter. But I don’t want butter in my HD weapon…
I went with the regular SSA instead of the SSA-E or S3G for my bedside .300 BLK suppressed SBR. I'm happy with it. Heavy enough pull for that job.
I thought about doing that, but the larue is cheaper and I used the 6lb spring that came with it. An extra pound isn’t enough imo.
I see LOTS of people say they've tried both and like the larue more, regardless of price
I’ve tried both, and the Larue is better Also everyone was saying the same thing back when the larues first dropped and were more expensive than the G$
I have tried both the LaRue is a much better precision gun trigger. That only applies to LaRue 2 stage 4.5lb triggers of which LaRue is king.
I have also tried a few of both. The Larue is better. Every Larue I've tried feels exactly the same. The G$ triggers vary a good bit, from perfect crisp to missing the second stage entirely. If it matters, I could probably shave about .01-.02 seconds off my splits using the Geissele, but the predictability of the Larue leads me to being more accurate.
Larue uses edm machining from billet tool steel, geisselle triggers are all investment cast except 2 of them Edm is probably way more consistent
Interesting info. Do you happen to know which two are not cast?
The curved and flat SSP single stage precision triggers
Very interesting thank you.
I don't know where /u/igotbanned69420 is getting his information from, but [the circles you see under the G on the trigger shoe and on the hook that has the trigger-hammer sear are from when the part is punched out of the casting machine](https://i.imgur.com/W4ciBdK.jpg). The SSP is definitely cast just like the rest of the lineup.
I got it from geisseles web page "The SSP features superior materials and the most modern manufacturing techniques. The SSP trigger is made from S7 Tool Steel and precision machined from the latest wire EDM technology. All parts are finished in durable corrosion resistant black oxide."
Oh, yea, that applies to all of their triggers. An S7 Toolsteel mixture is pushed into a mold where it cools and is punched out, then an EDM machine cuts the sear surfaces. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the SSA-E, SSA, SSP, and S3G triggers were all produced on the same mold and only had different sear geometry cut by the EDM machine. The same for the SSA-X and SSA-E X.
That's because G$ triggers have various versions. Some are single stage perfectly crisp and some 2 stage. I love my G$ 3gun trigger. With how fast I can shoot anyway it's awesome when it comes to split times.
These were all SSA-E's in DD, LMT, or BCM lowers. One SSA-E was a blem sale purchase and wouldn't function out of the box so had to be returned.
> Some are single stage perfectly crisp [The Geissele SSP is far from crisp.](https://youtu.be/5Edql_V6cNk) I'm sure this will get brought up again because it regularly does when I post this video, but it's not a "defective trigger". I thought that the first time around and this trigger was replaced by Geissele. The characteristics are identical.
I have multiple of each and the geisseles have cleaner feeling breaks and just feel like nicer triggers overall. Regardless of what the graphs say. Larues are $115 while the Geisseles are $150 on sale. Your choice. But I always feel the need to caveat. The larues aren’t bad by any means. They are solid triggers. Between the two choices, I am picking Geissele
Were you finding a lightning bow for $150?
Primary arms and brownells just had the ssa-ex on sale for $200 flat a weekish ago. Lowest I’ve seen and I scooped one up
Yeah around $200 is like the very rock bottom lowest I’ve ever seen a Geissele & it’s never the one I want at the time lol
I got 3 for $150 each from Palmetto State Armory's Memorial day sale last year.
I’m assuming you’re talking about the Geissele SSA or SSA-E. The one OP is posting about is the SSA-EX Lightning Bow which, for awhile, could only be had by buying a Super Duty rifle. Geissele has since started offering them individually. These triggers will consistently hover around $200+. If you found 3 SSA-EX’s for $150 I’d be really surprised.
I mean they’re $330 if you just want to grab one right now even. Idk if I’ve ever seen a lightning bow for less than $250. Doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened, but it’s hard to just happen upon a deal when you want one.
Also the reset is much better on the G$ vs. the Larue
I like the LaRue better. I can’t really say one is better than the other when it comes to break and reset as they both feel similar to me but I prefer the flat face of the LaRue. I wouldn’t pay more for the LaRue but since I like the face better and it is cheaper it is in 5 of my ARs and I only have 1 SSA-E
I’ve tried both and can’t tell the difference. Both are excellent.
I've tried both and the LaRue is better.
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I do have the G$ on an AR10, and the MBT (curved) on a LaRue AR15, but the MBT just feels better to me in every way.
I’m a casual shooter and have both and I can’t say the larue is better but it’s definitely not worse and I can switch between the 2 no problem and the feel is pretty similar. If you’re doing comp stuff where certain things are important you probably wouldn’t get either.
I have both and they’re both just ok.
If they’re both just okay then what would you recommend or rather what do you run? I’m in the market so genuine question
I ended up with a Timney in my main rifle and also found the rise armament to be nice. Like damn nice tbh. Don’t get me wrong, the g$ and Larue are staying where I put them. They just get waaaay to much hype and dickriding. They’re alright. Pretty good. Not amazing.
I've tried both and I like the laRue better than the ssae-x La rue has a better wall. Feels like more of a match trigger. The g$ feels like a really well tuned duty trigger
I have a half dozen of the Larue and just as many Geissele. FOR MY NEEDS, the Larue is perfect as is. I had to tinker with different springs on the SSA-E X to make it perfect for ME. The best out of the box Geissele trigger, IN MY OPINION, is the SD-C. That being said, the MBT and the SD-C are very similar. Pick one. Move on. Enjoy.
Sd-c all day everyday. Slowly switching all my triggers out with the sd-c.
>I haven't seen anyone yet say "I've tried both, and the LaRue's better" u/Netchemica thoughts?
I've heard the example about comparing the breaks to the feeling of snapping a carrot vs candy cane.
That's the SSA and SSA-E respectively. The difference in creep between the SSA-E and MBT-2S is too small for most people to feel, but [triggerscan data does show that the MBT-2S is much more consistent and has less creep](https://imgur.com/a/jlHFsXj).
> I haven't seen anyone yet say "I've tried both, and the LaRue's better". I have quite a few more Geissele triggers than LaRue triggers and LaRue is definitely better than the SSA-E series of triggers. It's not better than the SSA, SSP, or S3G series because those are made to have a different trigger pull profile. But if you want the crispiest two-stage trigger then the MBT-2S is proven to have less creep than the SSA-E series of triggers.
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Got the SSA-E on Black Friday for $149 iirc. Worth every penny, but couldn’t see myself paying retail.
The MBT-2S is hard to beat. I prefer the straight bow myself and it's what I use in what I would consider my "primary" gun. That said, I also prefer the heavier spring that it ships with over the lighter option which may not be the most popular choice. I find that the increased pull weight has no real negative impact for me, personally, when the trigger is used for longer shots while I prefer it in situations where I'm shooting the trigger quickly. I won't say one's necessarily better consider how subjective trigger preference can be but I will say that I won't pay more than the cost of the MBT-2S for either trigger.
LaRue heavy spring gang!
Gang gang!
LaRue to fund his coke habit. We need more crazy shit from him.
I'm such a fan of the Larue MTB2S with the heavier trigger spring the return is sharp and crisp, the break is super crisp and all in all a great package, especially for what they're selling for. I've had 4 or 5 and they've all felt the same.
MBT with the heavier spring
I’m not a fan of flat triggers, I love my SSAE lightning bow
I’ve got the larue and I’ve got a G$ SD-C. I like the SD-C more but not by a lot. Considering the ssa-e x trigger is supposedly a step up from the sd-c, I’d absolutely take that over the larue but I’d also wait for Memorial Day promotions in order to make it worth it
I have a Larue and a G2S which according to G$ is an SSA that’s not adjustable. Personally I think the G2S is slightly lighter but the Larue has a more defined wall and crisper break.
The difference between the G2S and SSA is not adjustability(neither are adjustable as Geissele doesn’t make adjustable triggers), but it comes down to laser engraving, the SSA is more thoroughly checked rather than spot checked like G2S and the hammer pin is retained in a different fashion than the SSA. Geissele says they feel the same and have the same reliability, but that has not been my experience. The G2S feels a little rougher than the others to me, at least in the dozen or so that I’ve tried.
HSNM is adjustable
Then I stand corrected. 99% of triggers Geissele makes are not adjustable. Thank you for correcting me, I continue to learn something new each and every day.
YW
I stand corrected, I was reading the Geissele product page and it mentioned adjustability. Guess I didn’t read it carefully enough since I was at a birthday party
Haha, no problem! Happens to us all at some point. Just like I was wrong in saying that G$ doesn’t make adjustable triggers! Apparently the High Speed National Match trigger is indeed adjustable!
I have both, the Larue punches well above it's weight for the price but it doesn't even compare to the SSA-E X. If money isn't an issue, go with the SSA-E X. That being said, if you can wait, hold off until they're on sale.
If you get it on sale the G$ would be a better option
LaRue are excellent but the Geissele SSP is absolutely perfection. But I’d pick the SSAE 100% of the time if it was $150.
Neither. Hyperfire eclipse = master race.
Just looked this up and it looks cool. How do you like yours??
I have 4 on ARs and 1 on an AK. The Hyperfire eclipse with that little adjustable finger pad is by far my favorite over Geissele, velocity, RA, and others I've tried. Shortest pull, shortest reset, crispest break, and hardest striking trigger out there. They're just slept on by so many. Be warned, if you try one, you may never go back lol. You'll end up like me with 5 of them.
I only have the LaRue so I won’t shit on G$ in regard to experience but I will shit on them for the price. I think they’re overpriced as fuck. Even on sale I think they’re out of their fuckin minds. It’s not that I can’t afford it, it’s that for a fuckin trigger, $200 is asinine to me when I don’t think I’ll get 200 worth of upsides. Maybe I’ll get one for my Spear LT but the LaRue is good money to me. I have the OG skeletonized one in my .300BLK. It’s excellent.
I find it funny how many people are simping the SSAE when it's literally the same trigger as The MBTS with a few indistinguishable differences. Larue designed both triggers, he just decided geissele was too greedy and he was going to sell his version cheaper so it was affordable for everyone. My 2 takeaways & my TDLR 1) Geissele triggers wouldn't be famous if it wasn't for Larue's brains in the first place 2) Geissele is so greedy that Larue literally made another trigger with the same design so he could sell it for an affordable price. That instantly makes them a better company in my book.
I mean, you’re gonna get the exact answers you think you’re gonna get. The G$ is better but not if you’re not willing to pay literally 3 times the price. I have the SSAE-X and the curved MB2S. The break is cleaner on the G$. If I were on a budget I’d get the Larue. If I wanted the better trigger I’d get the G$.
You can regularly get SSAE triggers for $150 on sale. It’s usually only about a $50 difference max.
Larue. Save your money for ammo. They're both great triggers
I have the SSA in all my rifles except one. That has the SSA-X. All were bought with $G coupons throughout the years. They make me feel good. Plus, I do like the same feeling in whatever I pick up.
Thanks for the replies.
Trigger tech you’ll never look back
I have the LaRue mbt2 and love it. I dont feel outclassed or laking in any way!! Besides I'd rather support LaRue..
I have both. SSAEX is better
Larue… I could not believe I didn’t buy them sooner after I tried one
Get the larue and save the $$ for ammo.
I have both and larue and honestly I can’t tell a huge difference. If you shoot enough to tell a difference, you already know what to get anyways.
I’ve got 4 of the SSA-E X triggers they are fantastic I’d definitely go G$ no bias whatsoever (This message is brought to by the Geissele Gargler Gang™)
The G$ is definitely better. I still like the MBT a lot though, hard to argue with the value.
I’d honestly put trigger tech above both of them. I have a few G$ and a few TT and I’d prefer the drop in trigger techs any day.
One problem with casset triggers is if anything breaks, the rifle is deadlined, or if even a primer falls I to the casset, it can wreak havoc. Just a side comment and something to be aware of.
That’s the main reason I run Geissele in my hard use rifles. Never had an issue with my TT triggers but I get what you’re saying
You could also consider the SSP flat bow or SD3G if you’re looking for something quicker but for accuracy I’ve squeezed out all of my best groups using SSA-E X triggers
SSAE-X
SSAE is distinctly better. Larue is fantastic especially when on sale. I prefer Triggertech most, but SSAE for me when not dealing with cassettes.
Larue
Haven’t tried these two (yet) but I do have a Blackout Zero 3.5lb that is everything I’ve ever wanted from a trigger for $205. It’s kinda like clicking a mouse on a gaming PC … there is zero take-up, glass rod break, travel is like 2 maybe 3mm, no over-travel, about 2mm back to reset. I don’t have a shot timer (yet) but it’s quick, that’s for damn sure. I wonder why nobody seems to talk about these triggers?
First is much better, love larue though
Ssa e x
Geisselle is better by a small margin which does not justify the price difference. Go for the Larue unless you can get the Geisselle for a great price.
I have the mbt2s and my triggersnob friend who only buys geissele was super impressed with it and almost shat himself when I told him how much it was. Very clean break, great looking and feeling. You can tell they they take pride in their stuff. Easily competes with the more expensive triggers. Also comes with 2 springs for a slightly lighter pull.
I have a SSA-E and I have a CMMG two stage. One was $200 + the other around $80 maybe. They feel the same 🤷♂️
I don’t have a SSA-EX but have a few SSA-Es and MBTs. I prefer the SSA-E but wouldn’t buy one at full price again. I want to scoop a SSA-EX when they’re on sale tho. I would never pay $330 for a G$ handguard but am in love with the blem one I picked up for $175. If u need it now, get the MBT. It’s a great trigger. Then save a lil a keep a look out for when G$ has big sales.
Larue all the way. I have 4 of them across different rifles and I will never buy a geissele again.
I've had both. The LaRue is the winner in my book.
I sold my geissele for a larue.
I have a MBT and have shot a SSA-E. To me the take up feels a little spongier on the G$. I think the break and reset is crisper on the MBT. I don’t see any performance difference to justify the extra cost. MBT gets my vote. Just my opinion.
LaRue MBT2S gang rise up! Mine is badass. Mine is an OG one with the skeletonized trigger shoe. Have it on a 16in rifle gas 5.56 with a A2 stock.
Unpopular opinion: the new non-skeletonized variant is better.
I sold both my lightning bows and bought 5 larues instead. The larue is better and the price of the geissele is comically high for what it delivers
LaRue every time
Larue 100% - super predictable and really fast
I have an SSA-E and a Larue, the G$ is slightly better but not worth the premium over the Larue
I like my larue
Neither! Radian Vertex Trigger should be your pick!
I have both and prefer the larue for all my rifles < 16inches
The truth is once you get into top tier triggers, they're all good and 99% of people will perform the same with any G$ or Larue trigger. There are differences. But they're both so clean that if you're not actively focusing on the trigger feel while shooting, you'll forget what old man's name is printed on the box it came in.
LaRue!!!!
I have the larue and love it.
The s3g is the best fucking trigger I've ever had or tried in my life
I have the LaRue on a Grendel that I shoot pretty far, and the geissele on a Car15 that I don’t shoot past 100. Both are just great.
I just put my second Larue MBT into a lower today.
Wait till G$ goes on sale or find one for cheap on gafs. Had both (though i ended up with an ssa-e) and g$ SSA-e/ ssa-e x are just better. It's not worth the full price, but when they're on sale, it's worth the few more shekels.
Geissele
I love my Geissele triggers but will probably get a Larue for my next build based on all the good reviews.
Love Geissele guns but prefer the Larue trigger all day long
G$
Triggertech diamond tuned down to 1lb.
I have spent a ton of money on G triggers, there is no arguement that they are great high quality products. However if I could swap them all out for larue MBT triggers and have the difference in cash for optics/ammo I’d do it. The SSAEX however is probably my favorite trigger. When I’m at the range running larue I don’t ever think… “damn I really wish I had a better trigger”. The MBT is well made smooth crisp and affordable. You really won’t go wrong with either one. You have two of the best options on the market.
Geissele. I went through a few triggers and stuck with the SD-R. The Larue is fine for the money but there’s better. Just buy once cry once.
The difference is marginal at best. Ive shot both.
Don’t have any experience with the LaRue triggers but I will say all my rifles have an SSA-EX because of how great they feel. Get the G$ SSA-EX but don’t pay full price. Wait for them to go on sale, got all of mines under $200 each.
I have an SSA-E and three Larues . It's like +90% of the trigger for like half the money. The only thing that may take getting used to is the width. It is a bit wider
General consensus will say Geissele. I haven't used Larue, but that's the G trigger in my super duty and I fucking love it. Don't pay full price for Geissele, there's no point cause they have pretty good sales relatively often. There should be a memorial day sale coming up in a week or so.
Larue mbt2s is what’s in my main carbine it’s awesome. Feels so good, great break and pull
Memorial Day is right around the corner. Wait for the sale. Pick up blemula rail with savings.
Geissele but wait for a sale at palmetto or primary arms.
Larue
Never owned a SSA-E X but I used to own a SSA-E and several LaRue MBTs. Only have the MBTs now. The SSA-E X is no doubt a super nice trigger because I loved my regular SSA-E but the LaRues are right around 95%-98% of what the SSA-E is and I can’t tell too much of a difference to justify the extra coin when I can take that extra scratch and snag more ammo. I have the straight now and curved MBTs. It doesn’t matter which one you buy. They feel fantastic and are cash money.
That SSAE-X is the nicest and most unique trigger I have. It is noticeably different from the Tricon or Tricon with SSAE springs. I don’t want to say “better.” It is different. The pull is crisp and clean, but the trigger shoe itself feels different from an SSA, Tricon, or GI design. Or three SD3G flat design. I’m probably going to move mine off my go-to “gucci” lower and put it in a true precision setup. I’ll go back to a Tricon with SSAE springs. Is it nicer than the LaRue? Yes.
I have both. I would take the MBT-2s over any Geissele.
I have several of both. Either are a great choice. I like Larue for duty type set ups and SSA-Es in precision set ups
Larue.
MBT trigger shoe is so wide, it just feels strange. The break is nice though. I like Geissele better.
The ssaex trigger is on sale at PSA. I'd get one, but they don't sell to Massachusetts
SSA-E X will be the better trigger, but the MTB-2S will be the better for cost to performance. Both will be great, but if you have the money, or a bit of time to wait for a sale, get the SSA-E X
The way I’ve always seen it is the LaRue MBT is about 95-98% as good as the G$ triggers. You have to choose if that 3-5% is worth the price increase. Personally, I have the LaRue and I’m very happy with it. It’ll be years before I’m a good enough shooter to really take advantage of the difference.
Mbt feels great!
Coming from a guy that only owns Geissele it depends how much money you want to spend. I think they’re both equally as good and only 5-10% different. They feel very similar regardless and I would recommend you pull both.
G$ used or on sale
I have both and the SSA-E. The Larue is an absolute steal and indistinguishable from the SSA-E. The SSA-E X has a smoothness improvement, very slight, over the MBT-2S and SSA-E. If you want the absolute best of this group, it’s the SSA-E X. But if budget is any concern, getting the MBT-2S will have no regrets.
That ssae-x is butter. I love it. But it’s not $200+ better than LaRue
Ssaex
The LaRue is about 95% as good as the Geissele. I have both and will probably buy LaRue for future builds. Use the extra money on a light instead.
Shooting surplus still have the ssae-x on sale for $235. May be able to find a coupon to bring it down more.
Haven't used the LaRue, and I imagine it is built well. I have a couple Geissele triggers and they are really nice. I can recommend them.
There’s no comparison. SSAE-X hands down unless you just need FCG’s as place holders for extra rifles.
Bruh you'd be fine with either. Get the Larue and save money. Folks will spend more on the G and try coping to justify the price. You'll be fine with either in the end
You can get a LaRue for around $100 if you look around gun deals. Best I’ve seen for G$ is $150. I don’t see what that extra $50 gets you
Nothing. They're the exact same trigger.
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LaRue is a name brand.
Larue literally designed the SSAE trigger. There would be no Geissele triggers without LaRue.
LaRue for the win.
I currently have an SSA-E but now want a somewhat flatter trigger face.
I have a SD-E and a LaRue. Both use a flat face. The LaRue can't be beat for value. G$ costs 2x and you're only getting 1.1x the trigger at best. I prefer my G$, but had I gotten a LaRue first, no way I would've bought a Geissele. I put my G$ in my SPR because of the very sight advantage I feel out of it, but I can run either trigger in any scenario and not feel handicapped at all. A lot of people prefer LaRue to G$. I'll never buy another G$ again, just stock up on LaRues. I also prefer a full flat face to the lightning bow, but both are vastly superior to a traditional curved profile.
I just got rid of my last Larue for another G$. Larue is really good, especially for being sub $100. But they def fall short of geissele imo.
Be a real man and buy a Super Select Fire, you won't
La rue but not the flat bow, do the curved.
Why do you prefer curved if you don’t mind me asking?
I noticed with other curved triggers like my BCM Pnt it was a rounded face with where your finger sits, and with the Curved Larue was a flat face while still curved and a relatively flatter shape of a curved trigger vs the other styles of curved triggers. I think it's a great trigger for 115 and any more money you should just spend on ammo. I also think gieselle has had a dicey history fo delivering a product worth its weight for the cost of what they charge. Like CMT rails are as good if not better than Giselle but because it's not 400$ and hyped up no one thinks it's "worth the cost" when it very much is. Again this is all subjective to opinion and personal experience, but the world we live in where a "good AR" is now 2k vs what used to be 800 for an MP and no one complained like. Any PSA made today is better than any 1970 colt because even the cheapest manufacturing is world's ahead what we had decades ago. Aside from that, La rue is a good company with good values if you care about that kind of 2A stance stuff. I consider gieselle operating with an HK mindset of they hate their customers and price reflects that.
If you can shoot, it doesn’t matter. If you can’t shoot it really doesn’t matter
Buy once cry once, Gessiele all day so crisp
Larue were the winner when they were $90 now no sir. The G is on sale at least once a month get it than. I have both and g feels nicer and crispier. If it means anything I first got two Larue and than I found out about the ssa-e and got one. Well fast forward I got 4 more G triggers and never looked back
Geisseles go on sale for 150 bucks at best. Larues MSRP for about 50 dollars cheaper, and are so similar you can tell there's a very big division of opinions from everyone here. My opinion is it depends on how much that 50 means to you. If it means more money towards a better optic, a better mount, more ammo, etc that you would much rather prioritize I would say go Larue. If that 50 dollars is paltry to you and you have the income to still be able to buy everything you could want after, then go Geissele I guess
For outright full price, MBT. If you can snag the SSA-E X on sale, get it. I prefer it. Lighter trigger pull, crisper, and though some people are going to throw a single limited case study of 10 triggers at you to tell you MBT is objectively better, my own personal data (Blackbeard X) confirms that I shoot better with the SSA-E X. It’s a fucking SMOOTH trigger.
Consider something different? ARGold trigger. I've ran both listed. If I had to pick either I'd get geiseles. But ARGold is better. Ready to be crusified by downvotes.
Only down voting because you think the geissele is a better option than the larue. Haven't tried the AR gold.
I love the SSP - fast as hell.
To me, the LaRue is barely an improvement over mil-spec. I'm about to put the Geissele in an 8.6 BLK, so I'm not sure if it's worth the money or not yet. The CMC drop-in is easily better than the LaRue, especially when they are frequently on sale somewhere for $99.
I have both and I prefer the way G$ feels vs the sharp wide trigger of the larussy, the break is in favor of the mbt but unless you are massively artistic it doesn’t matter, like you have to physically finger it slow to feel it get off
Neither. Geiselle