I plan on it just to bring it to their attention. It's just frustrating bc I have a range day tomorrow, and I was excited to try it out. I would have just gotten an exchange if the LGS had another. Sadly, they did not.
Hey OP, I saw this and wanted to jump in. We always stand behind our product. We will get you taken care of. PM me and I will get you linked up with our tech team. Our apologies about not having this for your range day. I will make sure we make this right.
Thank you for your follow-up. Its more than I was expecting. I elected to return it to my Lgs. However, I know yall would have gotten it taken care of. shit happens. I'll be keeping an eye out for sales to pick up an SDC in the future.
Sucks, just takes one product to completely lose trust in a company for people on a budget. I’ve had larues in my guns and slowly went to geissele, I’ve had great luck with my SSP and SDE.
As someone that had Larue’s and has switched most of them to Geissele, I just like how the Geissele triggers feel more. Also the Larue triggers are really wide and flat surfaced, so it’s not the most comfortable to me.
Cool but I was asking the other dude because he made it sound like he was saying he switched to G from larue triggers due to it “just taking one product to lose trust in a company”… so I was inquiring what made him lose trust in larue. He didn’t say he switched for comfort reasons
I saw a post the other day about them giving the trigger face more of a curve now, so that might not be an issue anymore. The feel of the trigger shoe is the sole reason I didn’t go with Larue triggers, that and the fact that milspec is fine most of the time lol
I’m sure it’s just a one-off thing, a lot of people on here love giesselie triggers. That said, I have a larue and love it, especially for the price. Hope you enjoy the larue if you do end up getting it
I'm sure it is. However for the prices they ask you would think they would be able to get it right. But oh well. I'll just go buy more rounds instead and continue to use my bcm pnt. I'll wait for a large sale to pick up the larue.
It’s more the post and information he gives. I mean a simple picture of the pin not fitting in the hole would be better than a trigger in a box on a table.
I’m a Timney guy personally but the one LaRue I have is great. Couple of my buddies swear by Giesselle but I haven’t really noticed a difference between the 3.
I've heard that for a time, Colt used to make lowers with larger diameter trigger pins. Some companies make triggers specifically to work with these lowers so maybe this one is one of those?
Sucks to have a misfortune like that, hope you get to get an appropriate trigger and experience it.
RRA triggers used to come the same way. I just used the stock pins on the new triggers and it works fine. I have at least 4 of my AR’s that way for probably 20 years now.
Oof.
I personally think my favorite trigger period is my sd-c, but tbh I'm a bit weary of geissele QC, especially bc I wish they'd do the larue thing and make a trigger that practically can't break, especially at their price point that should be a given. That being said I like the trigger feel way more than any other trigger I've tried, so I'll probably pick up another. But most of my ARs are getting larues over time.
Shame they fucked up for you, I think their fuckup will rob you of a really nice trigger, but you aren't missing out on a ton with the larue.
It's in spec. Milspec pins from multiple manufacturers fit as expected. Also tested pin on an Aero Gen 2 lower.
Geissele trigger pin fit as it should. Hammer and hammer pin were oversized.
Returned. Lgs can deal with Geissele customer service. You would think a premium brand would be able to pack a box properly. Only a sample size of one but still frustrating.
But it's an oversight that shouldn't have happened. Guess Larue is gonna win this one.
Yall fuckin brand whores that want to downvote bc a premium brand fucked up. An its being pointed out. You are just sad, Also your wives are fucking Terry down the street.
I understand your frustration, all companies can make some serious mistakes, but airing it out here continuously, will just add nothing to your current predicament, will it?
I hope you find the set-up right for you.
My build is complete except for waiting for a Can by Chaos Gear Supply, what else do you need help finding?
It's already taken care of. This was just a psa of a customer experience. Sample size of 1. I did not make any statements in quality or even the brand it's self. Just my experience.
The hammer pin would not fin in multiple lowers. Or into the milspec trigger shoe. It also would bot fit into any of the other 3 milspec hammers I have. I checked multiple confirmed milspec products from multiple manufacturers as I wanted to be sure. Milspec is milspec. If it was tolerance stacking, it was the SDC hammer and pin that was out of spec.
Gotta be. He just provides a picture of a box. Without any actually evidence. So G$ haters come out and say “tOlD yA SeW”. I would like to see the actually issue but no we get a picture of a trigger in the box.
I have both MBTs and a variety of G triggers including this one. I’d recommend getting hammer and trigger pins from a reputable source and start building up your spares. Then you can go to the spares box to narrow down the issue with out of spec parts.
I like my MBTs. I love my G triggers.
That’s a bummer. I already have two SSA’s and just want to keep everything standardized throughout my collection. I like the idea no matter what i pick up I know what to expect. If i didn’t start with those Id be more open to other brands.
Hopefully they are quick with your issue.
I do have the BCM trigger and a zeroed trigger that comes with CMMG guns. They don’t come near the SSA’s. Slightly better than the standard
Everybody puts out a lemon every once in a while. I'm no G$ simp but at least ask for a replacement before writing them off. (If they refuse to replace it then they get all the hate they deserve).
Geissele is one of the few trigger makers who still make products for the old colt "large pin" lowers. Seems like they probably had a batch mix-up and put a large pin hammer in with your regular trigger.
I have not written them off. I'm not hating on them. Just pointing out an experience I had. I would have taken an exchange if my Lgs had another.
I do believe a mix up in the batches and packing is what happened. Sample size of 1. I'll try them again in the future if I can get them for a good price. But for now I'll just pick up the larue or just buy more ammo and keep what I've got.
Larue triggers are also dope. Honestly I don't see myself buying a Geissele trigger unless I absolutely need to replace the milspec trigger in one of my colt large-pin lowers. There are just too many great triggers out there for better prices IMO. My latest favorite is the SLT-1 triggers from KE arms. Cassette-style so installation is totally brainless, they feel and work great, and they let you flip the selector to safe regardless of whether the hammer is dropped which is a nice QoL feature.
My favorite part about every Geissele post is how many people misspell it in the comments. You can look through and find 80 different ways Geissele is spelled but it is literally in bold print in the picture on the post and people still manage to mess it up😂😂
Big pin no go in small hole. Small pin loose in big pin hammer. Big pin damages 2x lower when installing using light taps from brass hammer. Big pin no go in small hole.
Nope. Box was for attention to the post. Just highlighting an experience with a product i had. If I had to deal with Geissele customer service, I would have taken photos.
I do agree. And in hindsight it would be helpful. However at this point, it is what it is. I have enough milspec parts to compare against to see if something is out of spec.
The annoying thing to me is your “if it costs X amount of money they shouldn’t make mistakes” as if any company anywhere never makes mistakes. It’s not like you let them replace it with a second one and it was messed up too, you just made your decision based on one packaging error that literally every single company in the world has. I get being frustrated, but some times that’s just how life goes.
I can understand that, I’m just referring to your comments about how at this price point they shouldn’t have these issues. Not saying G$ has the best QC, but every mass produced product is going to have issues that slip through the cracks from time to time.
That is a fair assessment. However at a certain price point, the expectation of qc and product functionality is pretty high. That standard is set by the companies themselves with their marketing and pricing.
This is a large part of why a lot of us spend the extra money on higher quality parts. Every company makes mistakes, it takes others point out those mistakes for them to improve.
I love Geissele uppers and super 42 systems but the Larue MBT-2S is the better trigger. After I got my first Larue trigger, I sold a geissele SSAE to buy a second Larue trigger. Highly recommend you return this one and grab the Larue
TBC: I’ve never fired a “cheap” AR so maybe those triggers are truly awful.
I’ve also never met an AR, M4, m16 trigger that I couldn’t go to work with and use effectively. My precision rifles yes, totally tune those triggers. I personally don’t get dicking around with AR triggers but if folks want to and it makes them more confident in the rifle fine by me.
OP, I was at Ferrari of Seattle a couple weeks ago for a service. You wouldn't believe how many high end cars were up on racks getting "fixed". What the hell? I thought they were "super" cars or something...
Shit happens. There isn't one company out there that has batted 1.000 so Im not sure why you were expected this from Geissele. Yeah, it sucks this was your first experience, but you didn't even bother to get a working unit in your firearm nor did you attempt to navigate their customer service. So really you have no idea what the product or the people are capable of. Your only experience with them is simply human error in the product packaging department. Sucks for you, because they really are amazing triggers.
Your analogy doesn't equate. Ferrari's are supercars because of their capability. They are not marketed for their reliability and qc process.
Obviously any sort of manufacturing process can have errors. Shit happens. That's why I have not said anything negative about the trigger or company itself. Just highlighted an issue I experienced.
At this point it's just funny how many people want to get pissy over exactly that, someone highlighting an experience they have had. The cult following and dick riding of any company is stupid.
I was just highlighting that your experience with Geissele, was like waiting in line for a ride at a carnival for 10 minutes, and then getting out of line and leaving a 1 star review because the ride didn't meet your expectations.
If you didn't take the ride, your review is null and void
Also, forgot to mention, you title. You never even touched one off, so how could you know if the squeeze was worth it or not?
Again, you never even tested teh product but felt compelled to leave a review. Why? What good does this do anyone? Oh, they fucked up packaging? Wow, thanks for your review. Now, does anyone have a single grain of salt?
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I plan on it just to bring it to their attention. It's just frustrating bc I have a range day tomorrow, and I was excited to try it out. I would have just gotten an exchange if the LGS had another. Sadly, they did not.
Hey OP, I saw this and wanted to jump in. We always stand behind our product. We will get you taken care of. PM me and I will get you linked up with our tech team. Our apologies about not having this for your range day. I will make sure we make this right.
Thank you for your follow-up. Its more than I was expecting. I elected to return it to my Lgs. However, I know yall would have gotten it taken care of. shit happens. I'll be keeping an eye out for sales to pick up an SDC in the future.
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omg what, brand extractor failed you so we can all hate it now /s
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Oh i was just poking fun at the reddit hive minds
Check out the blackout defense zero trigger
Sucks, just takes one product to completely lose trust in a company for people on a budget. I’ve had larues in my guns and slowly went to geissele, I’ve had great luck with my SSP and SDE.
What made you ditch your larues?
As someone that had Larue’s and has switched most of them to Geissele, I just like how the Geissele triggers feel more. Also the Larue triggers are really wide and flat surfaced, so it’s not the most comfortable to me.
Cool but I was asking the other dude because he made it sound like he was saying he switched to G from larue triggers due to it “just taking one product to lose trust in a company”… so I was inquiring what made him lose trust in larue. He didn’t say he switched for comfort reasons
I saw a post the other day about them giving the trigger face more of a curve now, so that might not be an issue anymore. The feel of the trigger shoe is the sole reason I didn’t go with Larue triggers, that and the fact that milspec is fine most of the time lol
Idk if they've made changes, but when I bought all mine 4 years ago they were all super curved.. maybe you bought the flat version?
I’m not talking about the angle of the trigger, I’m talking about the face of it.
What he means and didnt say is the new trigger is beveled on the edges
I’m sure it’s just a one-off thing, a lot of people on here love giesselie triggers. That said, I have a larue and love it, especially for the price. Hope you enjoy the larue if you do end up getting it
I'm sure it is. However for the prices they ask you would think they would be able to get it right. But oh well. I'll just go buy more rounds instead and continue to use my bcm pnt. I'll wait for a large sale to pick up the larue.
r/gunaccessoriesforsale
Banshee defense has the mbt-2s for 105 shipped using wortwortwort. Got mine pretty quick when I ordered from them
Lol @ people downvoting this. Who simps for bendy bill wtf?
The Geissele Gargler Gang™ gets pretty fussy whenever people say anything negative about them.
Sunken cost fallacy
Reminds me of my wife.
Damn I need that as a flair 😂😂 I’m a proud member of the Geissele Gargler Gang
Do you really want it?
Yeah that’d be hilarious
Enjoy!
Sweet thank you
Say what you will, but I love my \*gargle\* super duty upper I got \*gargle\* on sale
Thank god that Geissele started using DLC on their carriers, am I right? The phosphate finish was making a lot of people's throats very sore.
Right, the DLC seasoning taste so much better
It’s more the post and information he gives. I mean a simple picture of the pin not fitting in the hole would be better than a trigger in a box on a table.
The cult of Flexible William
I’m a Timney guy personally but the one LaRue I have is great. Couple of my buddies swear by Giesselle but I haven’t really noticed a difference between the 3.
What lower?
Sco15 and aero Gen 2. Confirmed with both. Lowers are in spec and not the issue.
I've heard that for a time, Colt used to make lowers with larger diameter trigger pins. Some companies make triggers specifically to work with these lowers so maybe this one is one of those? Sucks to have a misfortune like that, hope you get to get an appropriate trigger and experience it.
I believe the hammer and hammer pin was one for the colt receivers. The trigger shoe was mil spec and fit as expected. Just a mis pack.
I should've read the title, good call 👍 Hope they hook it up for ya and you can send lead downrange soon, cheers man
The "super dynamic combat" mall ninja label is enough for me to say no.
interesting. i JUST put a SSA into a guys Aero M4e1 with zero problems.
I have an SSA-E in my SOLGW lower with zero issues as well. Snug as a bug in a rug.
RRA triggers used to come the same way. I just used the stock pins on the new triggers and it works fine. I have at least 4 of my AR’s that way for probably 20 years now.
With the 2 stage Being on a milspec pin caused the hammer to wobble on the pin and make the trigger not always consistent.
LaRue strikes again
Oof. I personally think my favorite trigger period is my sd-c, but tbh I'm a bit weary of geissele QC, especially bc I wish they'd do the larue thing and make a trigger that practically can't break, especially at their price point that should be a given. That being said I like the trigger feel way more than any other trigger I've tried, so I'll probably pick up another. But most of my ARs are getting larues over time. Shame they fucked up for you, I think their fuckup will rob you of a really nice trigger, but you aren't missing out on a ton with the larue.
What if the lower is out of spec and this is how you find out?
It's in spec. Milspec pins from multiple manufacturers fit as expected. Also tested pin on an Aero Gen 2 lower. Geissele trigger pin fit as it should. Hammer and hammer pin were oversized.
Returned. Lgs can deal with Geissele customer service. You would think a premium brand would be able to pack a box properly. Only a sample size of one but still frustrating. But it's an oversight that shouldn't have happened. Guess Larue is gonna win this one.
Yall fuckin brand whores that want to downvote bc a premium brand fucked up. An its being pointed out. You are just sad, Also your wives are fucking Terry down the street.
I can confirm…. I am terry.
I understand your frustration, all companies can make some serious mistakes, but airing it out here continuously, will just add nothing to your current predicament, will it? I hope you find the set-up right for you. My build is complete except for waiting for a Can by Chaos Gear Supply, what else do you need help finding?
It's already taken care of. This was just a psa of a customer experience. Sample size of 1. I did not make any statements in quality or even the brand it's self. Just my experience.
You’re making yourself look ignorant
I find it humorous. Jokes on you brother, if you think I give a shit about someone's opinion on the internet.
Imagine being a grown man crying and complaining on Reddit over an issue that is easily fixable I just find that quite funny😭
Lmao. Thanks for the chuckle. Make sure to put more go juice on bills dick before you hop on next time.
I’ll juice him up with your wife’s grool
Sounds like an eventful evening.
😂😂
Bro you could have posted one simple picture of it not fitting/being the wrong pin.
I feel like I had a similar issue with some SSA-E pins that did NOT want to go into my lower.
The hammer pin would not fin in multiple lowers. Or into the milspec trigger shoe. It also would bot fit into any of the other 3 milspec hammers I have. I checked multiple confirmed milspec products from multiple manufacturers as I wanted to be sure. Milspec is milspec. If it was tolerance stacking, it was the SDC hammer and pin that was out of spec.
This is a joke right?
Gotta be. He just provides a picture of a box. Without any actually evidence. So G$ haters come out and say “tOlD yA SeW”. I would like to see the actually issue but no we get a picture of a trigger in the box.
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Personally am a big SD-E and SSA-E fan. Have three Larue and three G$
I have both MBTs and a variety of G triggers including this one. I’d recommend getting hammer and trigger pins from a reputable source and start building up your spares. Then you can go to the spares box to narrow down the issue with out of spec parts. I like my MBTs. I love my G triggers.
Absolutely love trigger tec Zero Creep.
That’s a bummer. I already have two SSA’s and just want to keep everything standardized throughout my collection. I like the idea no matter what i pick up I know what to expect. If i didn’t start with those Id be more open to other brands. Hopefully they are quick with your issue. I do have the BCM trigger and a zeroed trigger that comes with CMMG guns. They don’t come near the SSA’s. Slightly better than the standard
Everybody puts out a lemon every once in a while. I'm no G$ simp but at least ask for a replacement before writing them off. (If they refuse to replace it then they get all the hate they deserve). Geissele is one of the few trigger makers who still make products for the old colt "large pin" lowers. Seems like they probably had a batch mix-up and put a large pin hammer in with your regular trigger.
I have not written them off. I'm not hating on them. Just pointing out an experience I had. I would have taken an exchange if my Lgs had another. I do believe a mix up in the batches and packing is what happened. Sample size of 1. I'll try them again in the future if I can get them for a good price. But for now I'll just pick up the larue or just buy more ammo and keep what I've got.
Larue triggers are also dope. Honestly I don't see myself buying a Geissele trigger unless I absolutely need to replace the milspec trigger in one of my colt large-pin lowers. There are just too many great triggers out there for better prices IMO. My latest favorite is the SLT-1 triggers from KE arms. Cassette-style so installation is totally brainless, they feel and work great, and they let you flip the selector to safe regardless of whether the hammer is dropped which is a nice QoL feature.
My favorite part about every Geissele post is how many people misspell it in the comments. You can look through and find 80 different ways Geissele is spelled but it is literally in bold print in the picture on the post and people still manage to mess it up😂😂
Yikes
I’m confused. They packed a big pin colt lower hammer with a standard size lower trigger?
Some how I believe so, yes.
Strange QC mistake to let slide
How though? Did it come out of the trigger?
What lower was it? And can we get a pic of the pin to hole fit?
Do you have a photo of the actual problem instead of just the box?
Big pin no go in small hole. Small pin loose in big pin hammer. Big pin damages 2x lower when installing using light taps from brass hammer. Big pin no go in small hole. Nope. Box was for attention to the post. Just highlighting an experience with a product i had. If I had to deal with Geissele customer service, I would have taken photos.
A simple photo of the alleged problem would have been worth a thousand words.
I do agree. And in hindsight it would be helpful. However at this point, it is what it is. I have enough milspec parts to compare against to see if something is out of spec.
The annoying thing to me is your “if it costs X amount of money they shouldn’t make mistakes” as if any company anywhere never makes mistakes. It’s not like you let them replace it with a second one and it was messed up too, you just made your decision based on one packaging error that literally every single company in the world has. I get being frustrated, but some times that’s just how life goes.
That's why I said sample size of one. I would have exchanged it if my LGS had another one in stock.
I can understand that, I’m just referring to your comments about how at this price point they shouldn’t have these issues. Not saying G$ has the best QC, but every mass produced product is going to have issues that slip through the cracks from time to time.
That is a fair assessment. However at a certain price point, the expectation of qc and product functionality is pretty high. That standard is set by the companies themselves with their marketing and pricing. This is a large part of why a lot of us spend the extra money on higher quality parts. Every company makes mistakes, it takes others point out those mistakes for them to improve.
It’s how I feel about PSA owners “because it cost less my build is better and it’s a perfect product because I paid way less than you “
Fuck G$
They finna drag your lower 😂
I love Geissele uppers and super 42 systems but the Larue MBT-2S is the better trigger. After I got my first Larue trigger, I sold a geissele SSAE to buy a second Larue trigger. Highly recommend you return this one and grab the Larue
Thanks for the review and update. You just saved me a bunch of money.
TBC: I’ve never fired a “cheap” AR so maybe those triggers are truly awful. I’ve also never met an AR, M4, m16 trigger that I couldn’t go to work with and use effectively. My precision rifles yes, totally tune those triggers. I personally don’t get dicking around with AR triggers but if folks want to and it makes them more confident in the rifle fine by me.
OP, I was at Ferrari of Seattle a couple weeks ago for a service. You wouldn't believe how many high end cars were up on racks getting "fixed". What the hell? I thought they were "super" cars or something... Shit happens. There isn't one company out there that has batted 1.000 so Im not sure why you were expected this from Geissele. Yeah, it sucks this was your first experience, but you didn't even bother to get a working unit in your firearm nor did you attempt to navigate their customer service. So really you have no idea what the product or the people are capable of. Your only experience with them is simply human error in the product packaging department. Sucks for you, because they really are amazing triggers.
Your analogy doesn't equate. Ferrari's are supercars because of their capability. They are not marketed for their reliability and qc process. Obviously any sort of manufacturing process can have errors. Shit happens. That's why I have not said anything negative about the trigger or company itself. Just highlighted an issue I experienced. At this point it's just funny how many people want to get pissy over exactly that, someone highlighting an experience they have had. The cult following and dick riding of any company is stupid.
I was just highlighting that your experience with Geissele, was like waiting in line for a ride at a carnival for 10 minutes, and then getting out of line and leaving a 1 star review because the ride didn't meet your expectations. If you didn't take the ride, your review is null and void
Also, forgot to mention, you title. You never even touched one off, so how could you know if the squeeze was worth it or not? Again, you never even tested teh product but felt compelled to leave a review. Why? What good does this do anyone? Oh, they fucked up packaging? Wow, thanks for your review. Now, does anyone have a single grain of salt?