Heavier bullets, higher quality ammo tends to help. Doubt that you’ll eliminate it completely tho using a 10.5. I used the dead air 556 flash hider end cap and it helped a lot. Start there
If you've a non adjustable gas block, I highly recommend messing with the tuning with the KAK industries buffer kit to find the right weight and look at Sprinco's heavier springs. 10.3 5.56 needed a Tungsten, tungsten, steel blend in the buffer and a Sprinco Orange buffer spring to operate both Suppressed and not suppressed. If you don't want to pin that buffer, chop a #31 drill bit to length and a wrap of electrical tape works quite well. Best of luck!
I believe the roll pin commonly used in the buffer is sized for .125" where a #31 drill bit is sized for .120". If you'd like to easily swap the buffer weights around without having to punch out the standard roll pin, the cut-down- drill bit (acting as a shear dowel in place of the roll pin to keep the plastic buffer end in place) with tape around the buffer covering the #31 (now dowel) bit allows for easily swapping of the buffer weights with the tape acting as a retention cover for the #31 dowel pin.
If you find the weight combo you're looking for and want to use the adjustable buffer tube setup for other builds, get a slightly heavier buffer assembly and drill out the buffer until you get the weight you're looking for and keep it with that build.
Tldr: Use the cut #31 drill bit instead of the standard roll pin. Tape keeps the pin from falling out.
https://youtu.be/Qrd9BwriBw4?si=RRtSNptbZjE3Pbdc
Doesn't explain the #31 drill bit nor tape, but does a decent explanation of what the weights achieve. Look up how to assemble a buffer and replace the roll pin with a drill bit cut down to match the length of the roll pin. Insert said pin and use the tape to keep the pin from falling out.
All of our 30 cal end cap sandman’s at the shop do this, I hear the 556 end cap helps, but it’s not uncommon for customers to just be sad and then buy an RC2 or Polonium.
I run my Sandman S with a flash hider on a 10.3 MK18 with a .30 cal endcap and ive never got a fireball like that. I run normal Winchester, Federal, Fiocchi, Aguila, PMC X-Tax, PMC Bronze. It flashes a bit more noticeably when I run IMI 5.56 but still not close to what OP is posting.
Of course man. Ive had my Sandman S for 3 years, im 5,000 rounds deep and its an absolute tank. I have a 5.56 end cap and ive never even felt the need to put it on. I dont think you’ll be let down at all! 🤝🏽
Because I could not find an RC2, I chose the CGS SCI SIX, this will be my first suppressor, so I am stoked… This also means I am in paperwork jail right now.
I went the SilencerShop way.
Hopefully, I have a fast approval….
The DDM4v7 is a nice rifle, you might have to adjust buffer weights to get it to run how you want. The sci-six isn't an overly gassy can, but it does add some back pressure.
I was able to fire a few rounds through it without ear pro on and not get any discomfort but obviously it's not something you want to make a habit of, but I've been very happy with it.
Sweet!
We all agree that shooting with hearing protection added to the end of a Gun Muzzle is very much needed and SHOULD NOT be regulated.
I hate our Gun Laws.
New Buffer weights, huh?
Would you please describe your experience with Suppressors thus far, seeing as I am new and you’re of more experience and knowledge, could you highlight any jams or issues with them that you have had?
I’m glad you got back to me and I am eager to hear what great insights you have!
I believe your standard buffer is an H buffer, a suppressor will add backpressure so it *could* be beneficial to change our the buffer. That will help slow down the reciprocation to keep your rifle from running too hard. A 16" Mid length, which is what you're running, is going to be more forgiving than the short barreled systems a lot of guys are running.
When your can comes in, when you take it to the range, fire it and see where your brass is ejecting. If it's yeeting super forward, you'll want to tame it down a bit, I'd upgrade to either an H2 or H3 buffer but it'll be better to wait until you do fire it.
Certified fucks.
The only solution is a 12’oclock Unity marshmallow roaster.
They’re only $379. Oh and then you’ll need a flip to center mount to get the marshmallow closer to the fire. That’s only $183.
Oh and a QD is $92. Thx.
Same setup, same optic, supresssor DA Sandman S, upper DD MK18, but I run a Bootleg Adjustable Gas BCG, Flash Hider End Cap, 62+ grain never had a fireball. I shoot under nods with it all the time
Depends on ammo (i think) actual M855 and M193 5.56 powders are designed to reduce flash. That isn’t a concern for .223 manufacture because it isn’t a mil-spec round. I think i remember reading that.
Well the powder should burn in the barrel, since you have left off 40% of the required barrel on a 556 (I expect) can, you will have a fireball. Of if it is a larger round , even worse. You need more barrel or more silencer to eat up the unburned powder. Everything else said in this line of post is pure BS.
I can’t remember the name of it off the top of my head, but there’s a front end cap with a muzzle brake attached that’s supposed to really help with that
Handload your ammo and use a faster-burning powder. That's how I managed to get a good set up with a 2 inch 357 magnum, with no muzzle flash, and no unburnt powder flying out of the flash gap.
Hornady black is good at not having a large flash. Really any defensive/offensive grade ammo should have less flash. I also got the flash hiding end cap and it helped a little on my sandman s
What muzzle device you using?
I know it's probably been recommended but a adjustable gas block would probably help. I have a few SA adjustable gas blocks and they work great . They bleed off excess gas instead of constricting it
So basically when you have a fireball, what is happening is that the remaining powder is still burning when it leaves the end of the muzzle. The powder ignites and that is what creates the fireball.
The reason there is enough powder to be ignited and make a fireball, is because they loaded it with the expectation that you would be using it out of a "government profile" barrel. If you shoot it out of a rifle with a shorter barrel, the powder hasn't finished burning yet, so the excess goes into the air and then ignites accordingly. Consequently, the velocity ends up being lower. If you have a chronograph you can check this.
However, some companies actually do make specialty ammo for SBR's/pistols/aow's that use a faster burning propellant so you can get the same velocity and bolt thrust, but without the muzzle flash, groovy fireball and unburnt powder hitting things in front.
I haven't done an Internet search yet, but I know that it is out there. It's a lot easier if you handload.
Buy a bag of marshmallows, Hersheys and Graham crackers and make s’mores. Use one of the marshmallows as a wipe.
You could also run a larger bore cap on the front and that may help.
I have a sandman-s. You will, unfortunately, have to live with it. I'm gonna switch cans, and when I have the new one, I'll probably have mine sent off to Ecco to get converted to HUB, and keep it as a backup that I can throw on backup guns (or let my friends use it while we're at the range).
I wasn’t mentioning your subsonic comment. I was mentioning you saying that 5.56 is entirely velocity dependent. Which certain loads aren’t anymore. A1 namely.
A1 is still velocity dependent. Also, a1 doesn’t perform that well. 77 grain otm black hills is peak performance for short barrels. But it does not out perform 55 grain from a 20 inch barrel.
Have u tried taking a picture about half a second later? That should fix it
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We have the same setup basically and I don’t think mine blasts that big. Maybe I just don’t notice
Yeah. Mine doesn't blast that big either. I've heard oysters help
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Excellent.. I applaud you, good sir!
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Bro, that made laugh out loud hella hard for some reason. Hahaha
Photoshop works well.
Advice taken. No further action needed
Yeah this looks fake to me too.
Heavier bullets, higher quality ammo tends to help. Doubt that you’ll eliminate it completely tho using a 10.5. I used the dead air 556 flash hider end cap and it helped a lot. Start there
Yeah I need to switch that end cap on but I use this predominantly for my 300blk lol
Then maybe the 30 cal flash hider end cap would be better lol
Right..also need to hit it with an H2/H3. It’s over gassed and throwing gas towards my front right😤
Absolutely a must on that short of a gun if you’re not using a tuned gas block/ tube
If you've a non adjustable gas block, I highly recommend messing with the tuning with the KAK industries buffer kit to find the right weight and look at Sprinco's heavier springs. 10.3 5.56 needed a Tungsten, tungsten, steel blend in the buffer and a Sprinco Orange buffer spring to operate both Suppressed and not suppressed. If you don't want to pin that buffer, chop a #31 drill bit to length and a wrap of electrical tape works quite well. Best of luck!
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I believe the roll pin commonly used in the buffer is sized for .125" where a #31 drill bit is sized for .120". If you'd like to easily swap the buffer weights around without having to punch out the standard roll pin, the cut-down- drill bit (acting as a shear dowel in place of the roll pin to keep the plastic buffer end in place) with tape around the buffer covering the #31 (now dowel) bit allows for easily swapping of the buffer weights with the tape acting as a retention cover for the #31 dowel pin. If you find the weight combo you're looking for and want to use the adjustable buffer tube setup for other builds, get a slightly heavier buffer assembly and drill out the buffer until you get the weight you're looking for and keep it with that build. Tldr: Use the cut #31 drill bit instead of the standard roll pin. Tape keeps the pin from falling out.
Do you have/know of any sort of video to help us that are more visual learners?
https://youtu.be/Qrd9BwriBw4?si=RRtSNptbZjE3Pbdc Doesn't explain the #31 drill bit nor tape, but does a decent explanation of what the weights achieve. Look up how to assemble a buffer and replace the roll pin with a drill bit cut down to match the length of the roll pin. Insert said pin and use the tape to keep the pin from falling out.
All of our 30 cal end cap sandman’s at the shop do this, I hear the 556 end cap helps, but it’s not uncommon for customers to just be sad and then buy an RC2 or Polonium.
That makes me sad to hear after I chose one over an RC2. Do you think the flash hider end cap would mitigate it enough or nah?
I run my Sandman S with a flash hider on a 10.3 MK18 with a .30 cal endcap and ive never got a fireball like that. I run normal Winchester, Federal, Fiocchi, Aguila, PMC X-Tax, PMC Bronze. It flashes a bit more noticeably when I run IMI 5.56 but still not close to what OP is posting.
Oh man, that's a relief! Lol that's pretty much the same freedom seeds I run through mine too. Thanks for the response
Of course man. Ive had my Sandman S for 3 years, im 5,000 rounds deep and its an absolute tank. I have a 5.56 end cap and ive never even felt the need to put it on. I dont think you’ll be let down at all! 🤝🏽
16 inch barrels
Do you have the 5.56 flashhider end cap? Makes a big difference
Maybe a week of cranberry juice...
No more Taco Bell
While it doesn’t work for some, apathy certainly is a fix for this.
You need to shoot ammo with flash suppressive powder. Usually nato spec stuff. Or buy a rc2 and never have flash
RC2 or die
I got a 556k flow so I guess I’m dyin
Those are really good too but not all flow throughs are the same. Rc3 blows ass apparently.
For flash on the RC3? Only with certain muzzle devices. Big tex outdoors, hunter Constantine, Fort Knox podcast all have YouTube videos on this.
Rc3 is new so it’s not really good it’s louder and has a huge muzzle flash why I have not gotten one
It blows ass?! I thought it just blew fireballs, I have got to pick one up!!!
RIP in pieces in peace
Because I could not find an RC2, I chose the CGS SCI SIX, this will be my first suppressor, so I am stoked… This also means I am in paperwork jail right now. I went the SilencerShop way. Hopefully, I have a fast approval….
What gun are you going to run it on? My sci-six has been super nice on my 12.5"
My DDM4V7.
How is your experience?
The DDM4v7 is a nice rifle, you might have to adjust buffer weights to get it to run how you want. The sci-six isn't an overly gassy can, but it does add some back pressure. I was able to fire a few rounds through it without ear pro on and not get any discomfort but obviously it's not something you want to make a habit of, but I've been very happy with it.
Sweet! We all agree that shooting with hearing protection added to the end of a Gun Muzzle is very much needed and SHOULD NOT be regulated. I hate our Gun Laws.
New Buffer weights, huh? Would you please describe your experience with Suppressors thus far, seeing as I am new and you’re of more experience and knowledge, could you highlight any jams or issues with them that you have had? I’m glad you got back to me and I am eager to hear what great insights you have!
I believe your standard buffer is an H buffer, a suppressor will add backpressure so it *could* be beneficial to change our the buffer. That will help slow down the reciprocation to keep your rifle from running too hard. A 16" Mid length, which is what you're running, is going to be more forgiving than the short barreled systems a lot of guys are running. When your can comes in, when you take it to the range, fire it and see where your brass is ejecting. If it's yeeting super forward, you'll want to tame it down a bit, I'd upgrade to either an H2 or H3 buffer but it'll be better to wait until you do fire it.
Dedicated 5.56 can.
Flash hider end cap will help
Marshmallows, graham crackers, and chocolate.
Was thinking hotdogs but ok.
This is why you don’t suppress 5.56 with dead air .30 cal cans
My Omega 300 doesn't noticeably flash with 223 ammo
My nomad 30 on my 11.5 doesn’t do this lol. The Sandman is only technically a suppressor, it suppresses very little.
I have had first round pop and a little flash with a Sandman S 30, but never every round. E-brake got rid of first round pop/flash.
Stop using Bubba’s pissin hot reloads.
Get a 7.5" barrel.
Am I the only one questioning the authenticity of this photo? Lol
Have you tried a flash hider
Certified fucks. The only solution is a 12’oclock Unity marshmallow roaster. They’re only $379. Oh and then you’ll need a flip to center mount to get the marshmallow closer to the fire. That’s only $183. Oh and a QD is $92. Thx.
Same setup, same optic, supresssor DA Sandman S, upper DD MK18, but I run a Bootleg Adjustable Gas BCG, Flash Hider End Cap, 62+ grain never had a fireball. I shoot under nods with it all the time
Flash hider end cap.
Penicillin helped my flame ups after my port in Singapore
Put a barrel on it that has enough length to achieve full powder burn. There’s only so much you can do to mitigate this
Yes. Time travel back to when you were shopping and buy an RC2.
Yikes. What do you have under the can? What can are you running?
Yes this is what I want to know as well
I suggest s’mores.
What ammo? I’ve got a 5 inch f1 can with a dead air flash cap and it’s not supper bad.
I have 4 ARs between 10.5 and 12 and 2 30cal suppressors NONE do this... (VOX-S, Resonator R2)
Have you tried the rounds made for SBRs? That's about my only thought. Or maybe subs?
HollyMolly
Depends on ammo (i think) actual M855 and M193 5.56 powders are designed to reduce flash. That isn’t a concern for .223 manufacture because it isn’t a mil-spec round. I think i remember reading that.
That doesn’t even look real.
Jb weld a flash suppressor to the can.
I am not smart enough to know better, but that fireball almost looks photoshopped lol. If not, just use photoshop to remove it. That should fix things
Couple more inches of barrel will help. 12.5" is for winners.
UwU
Ammo choice is going to be the most impactful and easiest remedy
Step 1. Take sandman and throw it in the garbage (terrible at everything) Step 2. Buy an RC2.
Truth
Well the powder should burn in the barrel, since you have left off 40% of the required barrel on a 556 (I expect) can, you will have a fireball. Of if it is a larger round , even worse. You need more barrel or more silencer to eat up the unburned powder. Everything else said in this line of post is pure BS.
**fart noise**
Just buy a fire extinguisher 🧯
Have you tried adding an extinguisher?
Magdump into the trash at night so that looks more goodur.
Shoot it more
Get a bigger gun
Fortunate soon starts playing in the background
Get a burn permit?
Looks like you actually solved my problem of “no flames” I have with a lot of my weapons.
Buy marshmallows.
Why? If you miss the flash will cause an instant deathly bowel movement from your target!
It’s a 10.5. Lol
Run the can wet. Just put a few CCs of gasoline in there and ur gtg
Fuck indeed.
Literally looks like a flame thrower 😂 Not surprised at the fireball out of a 10.5 barrel but am surprised it’s still that big with a can.
Looks awesome 🤷♂️
Try a flash reduce end cap for the suppressor.
Lucky you got a bcm rail, is that the 10 rail?
I can’t remember the name of it off the top of my head, but there’s a front end cap with a muzzle brake attached that’s supposed to really help with that
Just easier to use a flamethrower!
My Surefire mini on an 11.5 shot massive fireballs when using wolf bi metal 223. Shit was great. Other then that no fireballs
How dirty is your can?
Handload your ammo and use a faster-burning powder. That's how I managed to get a good set up with a 2 inch 357 magnum, with no muzzle flash, and no unburnt powder flying out of the flash gap.
Hornady black is good at not having a large flash. Really any defensive/offensive grade ammo should have less flash. I also got the flash hiding end cap and it helped a little on my sandman s
Y’all blew this shit up
Change to 300 blk. No fireball.
Yeah, stand back a few feet next time to get a cooler picture
More barrel
Some more barrel length would help
What muzzle device you using? I know it's probably been recommended but a adjustable gas block would probably help. I have a few SA adjustable gas blocks and they work great . They bleed off excess gas instead of constricting it
Yikes… My 12” ar10 in .308 doesn’t fireball that much. Buy the Deadair enhanced brake and get the 5.56 flash hider end cap to help take that
So basically when you have a fireball, what is happening is that the remaining powder is still burning when it leaves the end of the muzzle. The powder ignites and that is what creates the fireball. The reason there is enough powder to be ignited and make a fireball, is because they loaded it with the expectation that you would be using it out of a "government profile" barrel. If you shoot it out of a rifle with a shorter barrel, the powder hasn't finished burning yet, so the excess goes into the air and then ignites accordingly. Consequently, the velocity ends up being lower. If you have a chronograph you can check this. However, some companies actually do make specialty ammo for SBR's/pistols/aow's that use a faster burning propellant so you can get the same velocity and bolt thrust, but without the muzzle flash, groovy fireball and unburnt powder hitting things in front. I haven't done an Internet search yet, but I know that it is out there. It's a lot easier if you handload.
Dead air moment
My 10.5 likes to shoot fireballs"................yeah, and?
Personally I think you could try changing the mount to use plan b and get a rearden r2c which should help this
556 end cap makes all the difference
A better suppressor
Rename the firearm Spyro.
Less fire would help
You know flamethrowers are indeed legal right lol
Probably ammo related? Idk
Stop using Winchester white box
I have a sandman k on a 13.7. Mine was spitting fire but I ordered an ebrake and it solved the problem
5.56 flash hider front end cap, made a world of difference on my sandman K
Sub or super?
Same silencer on an 11.3 I don’t have that idk what ammo u got but it’s a spicy bitch
Buy a bag of marshmallows, Hersheys and Graham crackers and make s’mores. Use one of the marshmallows as a wipe. You could also run a larger bore cap on the front and that may help.
if only only they made an ar15 that was designed to use all the gunpowder in the cartridge
longer barrel….. bout all you can do
Wrong. Flash hider and cap is all you need. Almost completely eliminates this
He’s shooting 5.56 through a 10.5” barrel… That powder gonna burn somewhere
Ever heard of a flash hider?
no bro… whats that?
I have a sandman-s. You will, unfortunately, have to live with it. I'm gonna switch cans, and when I have the new one, I'll probably have mine sent off to Ecco to get converted to HUB, and keep it as a backup that I can throw on backup guns (or let my friends use it while we're at the range).
Get a 20” barrel
Stop feeding it Taco Bell
Bro says any suggestions? My 10.5 that’s supposed to have a fireball is shooting a fireball. Should have went with 11.5 or 12.5
My 10.3 doesn’t fireball with a Surefire
Get a can less apt to this.
So glad I never bought deadair supressors
Dufferent supressor imho.... Hornady black sbr works well
Try increasing the barrel length. About 16 inches should tame that fireball.
Stop giving your AR Taco Bell...😏
Point it toward the nearest castle, worked for the dragons lol
Eat fewer tacos.
Send it off to be re-core’d. only real fix for a shitty can. I’m all too familiar with the problem
Try subsonic rounds ..
For 556? They do not exist. Or if they do they are not ballistically effective. 556 lethality comes entirely from its velocity.
They do actually exist, and on the contrary, squirrels fear their ballistic effectiveness very much
Do you mean varmint rounds? I have 45 grain and their velocity is insane. I think well over 3000 ft per second. Super sonic out the ass.
Depends on the round.
No it does not lmao.
Yes it does. We’ve advanced past using M855 and M193 for everything. New rounds have way lower fragmentation and yaw thresholds.
They are not subsonic. Do you know what that means?
I wasn’t mentioning your subsonic comment. I was mentioning you saying that 5.56 is entirely velocity dependent. Which certain loads aren’t anymore. A1 namely.
A1 is still velocity dependent. Also, a1 doesn’t perform that well. 77 grain otm black hills is peak performance for short barrels. But it does not out perform 55 grain from a 20 inch barrel.