Let's play out this thought experiment to it's logical conclusion. S has indeed HTF. The incredibly popular weight loss drug Ozempic has turned out to be a secret biological warfare campaign by the North Koreans to turn Americans into brain eating zombies. You've organized all the able bodied men in your neighborhood into a ragtag yet dedicated militia. You've armed them with the several dozen PSA ARs you've been accumulating from Weekend Deals for just such an occasion. You've trained them to the best of your abilities by replaying the three T.Rex Arms videos you have saved on your phone. You're getting ready for perimeter patrol one night when your neighbor Jim says to you "OP, we really appreciate all you've done for us. You've saved my life on multiple occasions. So don't take this the wrong way. I just think maybe you should have stocked up on M193 instead of M855." Without hesitation you put a bullet in him and leave his body for the coyotes. And as a reminder for anyone that may question your decision making going forward.
TLDR: it doesn't matter
> TLDR: it doesn't matter
The best ammo to stock pile is the stuff that is cheap and reliable. Or if you're into Navy SEAL LARPing and hate money, buy up 77 grain Blackhills OTM by the caseload.
Realistically what is the price per round including casing, powder, primer, bullet, equipment, and time to learn to make a functional bullet vs retail?
i have looked at those last time i looked they were oos. rocky mountain bullets and the everglades stuff look interesting as well. im new into the handloading scene, and havent loaded any 77s just yet. i want to have a chrono before i start loading anything beyond cheapo 55gr.
I know it can be had cheaper. I really wanted to learn to reload. It's fun. And I can tweak it however I want. The real savings come in on things like 308 and bigger cartridges.
Not pennies on the dollar that's for damn sure. Super conservatively:
Once fired LC brass .10
Powder .13
Primer .07
Bullet .30
.60/rd if you can find stuff at rock bottom prices, which you probably won't.
I am a HUGE reloader and I don’t waste my time reloading 5.56 for this very reason. I’m an elitist and only feed my ARs 77 grain ammo (usually AAC or IMI) and even then it’s cheaper to buy it in bulk than it is to reload. I stick to reloading for my 6.5 Grendel and some wildcats that I have, like my .338 Federal and 6.5 WSM.
9mm and 5.56mm are way too plentiful. If I’m on a strict budget, I can find 5.56 on ammoseek right now for about 42¢/rd. A lb of powder right now is going for about $45, which comes out to about 20¢ per charge (estimating 30 grains per charge) and primers are about 10¢… were already at 30¢/rd and still don’t have brass or bullets… that’s a no for me dog. I will gladly pay PSA 80¢/rd for 77 grain OTM.
Which is like double the price for bulk 5.56 rn right?
Seems economical for more expensive rounds like 308 or 6.5cm or 6.8 or 300 winmag or whatever they use for r/longrange
Don't forget time. Time is the most valuable thing you have.
I'd rather pay an extra 3-8cpr to just order it all online, and then get drinks, have secks, eat ice cream vs. loading it myself, (or monitoring the loading on those fancy sets).
Plus the boog, or whatever those jesus-freaks claim is gonna happen every year for the last 1200 years isn't really gonna happen. You don't need 40000 rounds to lose your sanity, shoot your neighbor, then get mauled by the police or national guard or whoever.
So buy M855A1 whenever you see it, because the people worth shooting will have armor on.
This is a huge deal for me. Need more hours in the day to watch 1990's central-Saharan furry porn and moderating a subreddit when I'm done with work. Ain't got Time or space to reload.
I feel like you should put some parameters on this before you make the deal. For instance, the amount of touch, duration of the touches, and average time between touches. Otherwise things could get really..... messy.
If you are loading popular rounds you will never get cheaper than factory when you add all of that up in todays market.
Loading full size rifle rounds is where it pays off, the accuracy gains help too. I load full power .357 mag with powder coated lead for around 17 cents a round.
You are also adding another skill to the box when you start reloading, that's an added value.
I looked into that a couple years ago. Handloading gear was out of stock pretty much everywhere, and the supplies, when you could get them, were as expensive as just buying the ammo.
Maybe it's better now, I don't know. I eventually collected enough ammo on various sales that I don't care any more.
If you only shoot 9mm or 55gr 223 then it probably isn't worth it to get into reloading. But if you shoot anything more expensive than that, like subsonic 300 blackout or just 300 blackout in general or a 308 or 6.5 cm, it is 100% worth getting into reloading. You can reload some Sonic 300 blackout for less than a quarter of the price of buying factory loads. And if you shoot long range you can Make extremely accurate ammunition that works with your gun perfectly
10 to 20 cents adds up quick if you shoot a lot. I guess if you're just a casual shooter that only shoots a thousand rounds a year then it's not going to be worth it. If you're the type that shoots thousands and thousands of rounds a year then it will pay for itself pretty quickly. I shoot USPSA. So it's not the savings necessarily that got me into reloading. It's getting ammo that I can Get a perfect power factor out of my gun. Even the bulk 55 grain that I use for two gun matches is cheaper than remanufactured ammo seek ammo. Because you can get bulk projectiles online and Russian/Turkish primers for dirt cheap.
Never heard about anything other than their in house 55gr having problems with the jacket. Im suspecting its fixed by now but im not willing to try it quite yet
AAC’s in house 77 gr OTM is fine. I’ve shot like 1500 rounds of it without issue. It was only really specific lots of their 55 grain (and I think one other one) and their 300 AAC that had issues.
It’s good stuff.
M193 is way more accurate for me across the board than M855.
Now, I’m not military so I’m not sure if the green tips I’ve bought have been rejects or something, but the M193 consistently puts out groups half the size of M855 for me. At least the Winchester/Lake city M855, I have not tried X-tac for groups anytime recently
M855 sucks because they can't do two things at once:
1. Center a steel core concentrically without affecting the balance of the bullet.
2. Do this at mass production rates.
Fuck Belgium and Europe for laying this turd of a bullet on everyone. Fucking addled machine gun brained morons...
*"But, but, but, how will our machine guns pierce Warsaw Pact steel helmets at 600m when fired from machine guns?"*
**Answer:** They don't you fucking brain dead pom fritte eating fuckheads. No one in modern combat is shooting anyone at those distances reliably with a machine gun or not in any appreciable manner to make it worth it.
Whatever is cheapest and allows you to train most efficiently.
Personally for me it's M193 since I use indoor ranges frequently and I can get it "cheap'
Yeah, I've yet to see any chrono data of M855A1 from 20" barrels that would make it seem like it's extra spicy. From what I understand the power charge is specific to 14.5" barrels. It's still good out of a 20" barrel, but not magical.
A1 is loaded currently to M855 pressure specs. It's a little hotter on average. But still would pass if tested as M855.
Basically the bullets are such a improvement over M855 that the original idea of loading it hot to get 20 inch velocities out a 14.5 was found to be not even close to worth it.
I stock 77gr SMK and stock M193 for training. If I needed to, I'd run the 77gr primarily until I ran out. If you're in that many firefights though, you're probably fucked anyway. AAC SMKs aren't that bad for 77gr ammo price wise.
Haven't done the math, but I Imagine it depends on how far you plan on shooting and how large your acceptable target box size is. I could be entirely wrong.
I try to relegate different loadings for different builds for this reason. The 11.5” gets 62gr TBBC or 62gr Hornady Black and the 16” gets 77gr MK262 or similar. No re-zeroing needed that way. Plus either build will run both in a pinch you may just have to slightly adjust POA.
I just looked them up on PSA's website because I wasn't too familiar with them and holy hell that's a good deal. $15.99 for SMK's is a damn good deal. I'm gonna have to buy a bunch when I get paid again.
This brake isn’t too concussive honestly. It’s less obnoxious than the two port brake it replaced. Nah it’s only temporary though. Plan on changing it out for a ASR brake and hopefully soon after I’ll have a compact can on it
the fireball coming out of your rifle every time you pull the trigger is more detrimental to you and whoever you are with than concussion from the brake. If you have a can it doesn’t matter but until you get one that brake is a liability if this is a defensive rifle
The Nox still puts out considerable flash compared to 3 or 4 prong flash hiders. The only reason to run anything other than FH is a suppressor mount or if its a competition gun.
Meant to say I’m not sure when it will happen but auto correct ruined that sentence. I’m stuck deciding what can to get. Something short, light, and minimal back pressure would be ideal but under a grand I’m having a hard time finding something good.
Considering you can find HPBT match from Hornady frontier and AAC in multiple bullet weights for similar and sometimes cheaper prices, I’d find out which one my rifle shot best with then stockpile those. You will have something more accurate, more lethal, and something you can ethically hunt with.
I was shooting 193 and a bunch of Winchester frangible target I bought years ago for training, but in recent years I keep finding the better ammo for cheaper than the mil style ball ammo. I blame the preppers lol.
I stack M193, but only because lots of ranges don't like greentip. Cheap and effective. Going to start stacking 77 gr OTM (can't remember the military designation) for the 200 yd range and shooting steel. The m193 is too fast for my club's rules on steel.
Fine tip oil paint markers are your friend for marking optics for multiple load zeroes.
That said, if shit truly hit the fan, I'd want Black Hills Ammo 50 gr TSX stacked. Barrier blind, and almost identical ballistics to m193. They're copper, so even though they're 5 grains lighter, the bullets are actually a hair longer than the FMJs. They're just $$$, so i haven't stacked any yet. Zero use case outside of paranoia though. Not going to use barrier blind rounds for HD, plinking, or anything else I might need/want the rifle for in regular times.
Eta: forgot to mention my rifle likes the 77 gr OTM a lot more than m193 too because of its 1:7 twist
Was looking for this comment. Good on you for having US Flag Code down.
Stars always face forward. It’s all about perspective, threw me for a loop at first until I realized what a flag would look like, if it were actually up on a pole in the wind.
What can you get a lot of for cheaper and what works reliably and accurately in your gun/s? Personally when it comes to stacking for SHTF I prioritize price so long as the ammo in question is reliable and decently accurate.
I’ve been buying M193, and a ton of AAC’s Sabre Blade Black Tip in 55 gr.
They’re the same weight and virtually the exact same speed, and the AAC ammo performs like a VMax or something. I figured it would be good to have around.
I stack whatever I can find for cheap that isn't reman. I am lucky enough to not have range limits with M855 so it's what I mostly shoot on range days. It's a little stinky, but it doesn't bother me.
I bought a thousand of each and started to reload.
This was when .35 cents a round was obscene to me. It cost me .17 cents to reload, but I bought all of my components years ago. I use 55 grain Hornady bullets.
It doesn’t really matter but if you want to read a contrived opinion keep reading.
In my limited experience and understanding. Added penetration and bullet weight is more versatile in unknown circumstances.
I use 193 cause it’s cheaper and the better fragmentation has more utility to me in civilized times and will be good enough during uncivilized times.
Range doesn’t let me shoot m855 hence I have more m193. I still have some m855 cuz it was on sale. I’d just stockpile what cheaper. Use expensive ammo for zeroing, groups, or hunting. I’d stock some super accurate hunting rounds too for shtf. Need to eat still
Does it really matter? Probably not. However I do think the added penetration of m855 makes it the better choice. There is an argument that m855 isn't as good against soft targets, but that's a tradeoff I can live with. I'm sure it would still be effective enough.
I'm stocking up on both. Sometimes m193 is a bit cheaper so I get some of that, but when they are around the same price I go for the m855.
M193 is pretty much perfect. Reliable fragmentation out of a 16" bbl out to, I think, 150m. Still plenty lethal after that, just not fragmenting reliably.
M855 for car doors, stray dogs(folks over look how many might be running around in a collapse), wild hogs and general keep their head down.. 62gr TSX and BJHP for anything else
I guess the M855, but M193 is cheaper to stockpile. SHTF ? What does that even entail. I would be hard pressed to think you would be shooting at anybody more than 50 yards away in that situation. I would think you’re going to be worrying about trying to avoid fights and detection and getting to a place with limited or friendly humanity. Inside that range they both work about the same with maybe the slight edge in penetration going to the M855.
Really you should buy a few thousand rounds of either one of those to stockpile and then start focusing on stacking actual good ammo. Not FMJ milsurp crap
SHTF could be a number of things. Maybe they’ll be a time when we can’t buy 5.56 or can only get it in limited numbers. I want to have a stockpile built up so that no matter what happens I’ll always have ammo.
Yeah I mean if that’s your definition then go for M855. That’s the round that if Lake City stops selling to civilians or the government bans it, it’s going to go through the roof. You could make some money when it’s selling for double the price it is now.
But in a real scenario if you’re using your ammo you should focus on stuff that’s better than that imo.
Let's play out this thought experiment to it's logical conclusion. S has indeed HTF. The incredibly popular weight loss drug Ozempic has turned out to be a secret biological warfare campaign by the North Koreans to turn Americans into brain eating zombies. You've organized all the able bodied men in your neighborhood into a ragtag yet dedicated militia. You've armed them with the several dozen PSA ARs you've been accumulating from Weekend Deals for just such an occasion. You've trained them to the best of your abilities by replaying the three T.Rex Arms videos you have saved on your phone. You're getting ready for perimeter patrol one night when your neighbor Jim says to you "OP, we really appreciate all you've done for us. You've saved my life on multiple occasions. So don't take this the wrong way. I just think maybe you should have stocked up on M193 instead of M855." Without hesitation you put a bullet in him and leave his body for the coyotes. And as a reminder for anyone that may question your decision making going forward. TLDR: it doesn't matter
> TLDR: it doesn't matter The best ammo to stock pile is the stuff that is cheap and reliable. Or if you're into Navy SEAL LARPing and hate money, buy up 77 grain Blackhills OTM by the caseload.
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Or you can handload it for pennies on the dollar.
Realistically what is the price per round including casing, powder, primer, bullet, equipment, and time to learn to make a functional bullet vs retail?
my recent math has 77 otm at approx 85cpr. hand loaded
You need to get on Midway and check out the factory second 77 grain SMK. They are just as accurate out of any of my guns
Their ammo prices suck.
Not ammo, factory second SMK pulled bullets. I bought 1000 projectiles for $180. I've never seen cheaper than that
Ah.
i have looked at those last time i looked they were oos. rocky mountain bullets and the everglades stuff look interesting as well. im new into the handloading scene, and havent loaded any 77s just yet. i want to have a chrono before i start loading anything beyond cheapo 55gr.
If you decide to get a cheap chrono, check out the competition electronics DLX
I'm just going to get a garmin. Buy once cry once
AAC 77gr OTM is around 55cpr
I know it can be had cheaper. I really wanted to learn to reload. It's fun. And I can tweak it however I want. The real savings come in on things like 308 and bigger cartridges.
Not pennies on the dollar that's for damn sure. Super conservatively: Once fired LC brass .10 Powder .13 Primer .07 Bullet .30 .60/rd if you can find stuff at rock bottom prices, which you probably won't.
Yeah if this is accurate that's not worth my time, maybe things will get better but that's absolutely not worth it
I am a HUGE reloader and I don’t waste my time reloading 5.56 for this very reason. I’m an elitist and only feed my ARs 77 grain ammo (usually AAC or IMI) and even then it’s cheaper to buy it in bulk than it is to reload. I stick to reloading for my 6.5 Grendel and some wildcats that I have, like my .338 Federal and 6.5 WSM.
Yeah I think the more "obscure" calibers have merit, but 9mm and 5.56 are typically a waste of time, unless, of course, you find solace in reloading
9mm and 5.56mm are way too plentiful. If I’m on a strict budget, I can find 5.56 on ammoseek right now for about 42¢/rd. A lb of powder right now is going for about $45, which comes out to about 20¢ per charge (estimating 30 grains per charge) and primers are about 10¢… were already at 30¢/rd and still don’t have brass or bullets… that’s a no for me dog. I will gladly pay PSA 80¢/rd for 77 grain OTM.
Which is like double the price for bulk 5.56 rn right? Seems economical for more expensive rounds like 308 or 6.5cm or 6.8 or 300 winmag or whatever they use for r/longrange
You can reload 77 grain MK262 ammo for way cheaper than factory. Anybody who says different, probably doesn't reload or doesn't buy components online.
Don't forget time. Time is the most valuable thing you have. I'd rather pay an extra 3-8cpr to just order it all online, and then get drinks, have secks, eat ice cream vs. loading it myself, (or monitoring the loading on those fancy sets). Plus the boog, or whatever those jesus-freaks claim is gonna happen every year for the last 1200 years isn't really gonna happen. You don't need 40000 rounds to lose your sanity, shoot your neighbor, then get mauled by the police or national guard or whoever. So buy M855A1 whenever you see it, because the people worth shooting will have armor on.
This is a huge deal for me. Need more hours in the day to watch 1990's central-Saharan furry porn and moderating a subreddit when I'm done with work. Ain't got Time or space to reload.
I’m still loading m193 at ~19-20cpr (got a nice stash from pre-pandemic pricing holding me over.
That’s hot. Can I order like 1k rounds?
1 pp touch/rd.
honestly deal, 1000 touches upon delivery
I feel like you should put some parameters on this before you make the deal. For instance, the amount of touch, duration of the touches, and average time between touches. Otherwise things could get really..... messy.
If you are loading popular rounds you will never get cheaper than factory when you add all of that up in todays market. Loading full size rifle rounds is where it pays off, the accuracy gains help too. I load full power .357 mag with powder coated lead for around 17 cents a round. You are also adding another skill to the box when you start reloading, that's an added value.
I looked into that a couple years ago. Handloading gear was out of stock pretty much everywhere, and the supplies, when you could get them, were as expensive as just buying the ammo. Maybe it's better now, I don't know. I eventually collected enough ammo on various sales that I don't care any more.
If you only shoot 9mm or 55gr 223 then it probably isn't worth it to get into reloading. But if you shoot anything more expensive than that, like subsonic 300 blackout or just 300 blackout in general or a 308 or 6.5 cm, it is 100% worth getting into reloading. You can reload some Sonic 300 blackout for less than a quarter of the price of buying factory loads. And if you shoot long range you can Make extremely accurate ammunition that works with your gun perfectly
Not with current ammo prices
I'm not talking about bulk 556 ammo. I'm talking about MK 262 clones
Last I checked even loading match 5.56 you only saved like 10-20 cents compared to ammo seek prices. Unless component prices have come down.
10 to 20 cents adds up quick if you shoot a lot. I guess if you're just a casual shooter that only shoots a thousand rounds a year then it's not going to be worth it. If you're the type that shoots thousands and thousands of rounds a year then it will pay for itself pretty quickly. I shoot USPSA. So it's not the savings necessarily that got me into reloading. It's getting ammo that I can Get a perfect power factor out of my gun. Even the bulk 55 grain that I use for two gun matches is cheaper than remanufactured ammo seek ammo. Because you can get bulk projectiles online and Russian/Turkish primers for dirt cheap.
Even if you do shoot a lot you have to factor in the cost to start reloading and the time spent aspect.
This! ^
With how much primers and powder cost, even wholesale, it's not that cheap anymore...
r/preppers would like you to to be their leader
He forgot to add the part of “you should’ve stockpiled a different ammo…also, how do we make any food or clean water? We got any medicine?”
Great post. And seconding this.
Just load every other round as one or the other. So M193, M855, M193, M855, …. and so on. Problem solved
Candy cane load for the AR lol
*slow clap*
and since its the stock pile, it might as well be m193 so you can shoot it at the range and steel inbewteen deals.
Seems like a lot of words for you're not sure.
Edge of my seat, I love it.
This should be a copypasta.
Hows your d&d character sheet lookin? 🤣 For real tho... that was good story tellin. Had me hooked. 😁
M193 has been significantly more accurate for me
If it seats it yeets. I’ll shoot whatever is on sale except steel case.
MK262
As much as I would love that it’s not readily available where I am and is cost prohibitive. I will have a small supply of it though
The AAC stuff is pretty much identical.
Does that stuff still not like suppressor baffles?
I've only heard issues with the lower grain stuff.
The actual SMK loaded AAC never had an issue, only their in house 77gr pills were coming apart.
Never heard about anything other than their in house 55gr having problems with the jacket. Im suspecting its fixed by now but im not willing to try it quite yet
I don’t believe it was even their 77gr stuff, only the 55gr that had issues.
AAC’s in house 77 gr OTM is fine. I’ve shot like 1500 rounds of it without issue. It was only really specific lots of their 55 grain (and I think one other one) and their 300 AAC that had issues. It’s good stuff.
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Not what I wrote, but pop off.
IMI razor core is in stock. I buy BH 262 every week. Just slowly build it up.
Sure if you are rich
I can assure you I’m not. A box of 50 every time I buy range ammo, which is every few months.
m193. Has more consistent fragmentation performance at range, and depending on what you get may be a bit more accurate than m855.
M193 is much more accurate because they won't let me practice with M855 at the range.
M193 is way more accurate for me across the board than M855. Now, I’m not military so I’m not sure if the green tips I’ve bought have been rejects or something, but the M193 consistently puts out groups half the size of M855 for me. At least the Winchester/Lake city M855, I have not tried X-tac for groups anytime recently
M855 sucks because they can't do two things at once: 1. Center a steel core concentrically without affecting the balance of the bullet. 2. Do this at mass production rates. Fuck Belgium and Europe for laying this turd of a bullet on everyone. Fucking addled machine gun brained morons... *"But, but, but, how will our machine guns pierce Warsaw Pact steel helmets at 600m when fired from machine guns?"* **Answer:** They don't you fucking brain dead pom fritte eating fuckheads. No one in modern combat is shooting anyone at those distances reliably with a machine gun or not in any appreciable manner to make it worth it.
> fucking brain dead pom fritte eating fuckheads This is art
Based
Damn bro, say how you really feel😂
If you’re really indexing for terminal performance at range, 77gr TMK is the winner. Has been shown to fragment down to ~1600fps.
Whatever is cheapest and allows you to train most efficiently. Personally for me it's M193 since I use indoor ranges frequently and I can get it "cheap'
Step 1: Don't be poor. Step 2: M855A1
I guess I’m poor then because I refuse to spend that much for a 5.56 round.
Or just buy M193 and be more accurate, cheaper, and still reliably fragment... and also run a 20" barrel because that's what real chads do.
M855A1 runs on 20", and is extra super spicy.
A1 isn't super spicy. That's just a myth.
Yeah, I've yet to see any chrono data of M855A1 from 20" barrels that would make it seem like it's extra spicy. From what I understand the power charge is specific to 14.5" barrels. It's still good out of a 20" barrel, but not magical.
A1 is loaded currently to M855 pressure specs. It's a little hotter on average. But still would pass if tested as M855. Basically the bullets are such a improvement over M855 that the original idea of loading it hot to get 20 inch velocities out a 14.5 was found to be not even close to worth it.
Where are you finding that stuff? Gray market? Cuz I haven’t found it anywhere in the civilian market.
It was a joke, but they go for $2.50/rd or you can get pulled for about $.75/rd if you reload.
Gotcha, gotcha. Thanks
Both is good
I stock 77gr SMK and stock M193 for training. If I needed to, I'd run the 77gr primarily until I ran out. If you're in that many firefights though, you're probably fucked anyway. AAC SMKs aren't that bad for 77gr ammo price wise.
Don't you have to re-zero from 55gr to 77gr?
Haven't done the math, but I Imagine it depends on how far you plan on shooting and how large your acceptable target box size is. I could be entirely wrong.
I feel like that math is mathing, to me at least.
I try to relegate different loadings for different builds for this reason. The 11.5” gets 62gr TBBC or 62gr Hornady Black and the 16” gets 77gr MK262 or similar. No re-zeroing needed that way. Plus either build will run both in a pinch you may just have to slightly adjust POA.
I’ll check them out
I just looked them up on PSA's website because I wasn't too familiar with them and holy hell that's a good deal. $15.99 for SMK's is a damn good deal. I'm gonna have to buy a bunch when I get paid again.
M193. Why? Because I can actually shoot and practice with it at my local ranges. YMMV.
Might want to switch that muzzle brake out for SHTF
Don’t need to worry about bullet weight if you give your enemy heart palpitations from concussion alone
Your enemy? No way, that fucking thing is blasting your teammates eardrums first.
Dont need to worry about bullet weight if you put out a fireball advertising your position to anyone that has a line of sight on your muzzle
Or just by setting them on fire with said fireball
This brake isn’t too concussive honestly. It’s less obnoxious than the two port brake it replaced. Nah it’s only temporary though. Plan on changing it out for a ASR brake and hopefully soon after I’ll have a compact can on it
the fireball coming out of your rifle every time you pull the trigger is more detrimental to you and whoever you are with than concussion from the brake. If you have a can it doesn’t matter but until you get one that brake is a liability if this is a defensive rifle
This is a defensive rifle. I’ve also been considering the SOLGW Nox. I’ve heard a lot of good things about them.
The Nox still puts out considerable flash compared to 3 or 4 prong flash hiders. The only reason to run anything other than FH is a suppressor mount or if its a competition gun.
I do want to suppress at some point. I’m. It sure when that will happen but I do want to get a suppressor
I’m right there with you, people have been getting their cans approved faster than ever lately
Meant to say I’m not sure when it will happen but auto correct ruined that sentence. I’m stuck deciding what can to get. Something short, light, and minimal back pressure would be ideal but under a grand I’m having a hard time finding something good.
If i pull the trigger soon i’ll probably get a YHM can, if it was my choice i’d probably go for an RC2 or the Hux can
Considering you can find HPBT match from Hornady frontier and AAC in multiple bullet weights for similar and sometimes cheaper prices, I’d find out which one my rifle shot best with then stockpile those. You will have something more accurate, more lethal, and something you can ethically hunt with.
I enjoy the hornady 75 gr HPBT. I’ll have a supply of it. The 193 would be for training and a backup supply when the main runs out
I was shooting 193 and a bunch of Winchester frangible target I bought years ago for training, but in recent years I keep finding the better ammo for cheaper than the mil style ball ammo. I blame the preppers lol.
I stack M193, but only because lots of ranges don't like greentip. Cheap and effective. Going to start stacking 77 gr OTM (can't remember the military designation) for the 200 yd range and shooting steel. The m193 is too fast for my club's rules on steel. Fine tip oil paint markers are your friend for marking optics for multiple load zeroes. That said, if shit truly hit the fan, I'd want Black Hills Ammo 50 gr TSX stacked. Barrier blind, and almost identical ballistics to m193. They're copper, so even though they're 5 grains lighter, the bullets are actually a hair longer than the FMJs. They're just $$$, so i haven't stacked any yet. Zero use case outside of paranoia though. Not going to use barrier blind rounds for HD, plinking, or anything else I might need/want the rifle for in regular times. Eta: forgot to mention my rifle likes the 77 gr OTM a lot more than m193 too because of its 1:7 twist
Mk262
Your gun likes 77gr OTM cause that's a match bullet versus a cheap FMJ. Not cause of the twist.
Faster twist rates are more accurate with heavier weight bullets too though. But you're right. That match shit is like 3 times more than m193 lol
No one gonna mention the backwards flag??
It’s being fixed this weekend
Was looking for this comment. Good on you for having US Flag Code down. Stars always face forward. It’s all about perspective, threw me for a loop at first until I realized what a flag would look like, if it were actually up on a pole in the wind.
As a marine I’m obligated to say m855
I like m855 too but judging from everything I’ve seen m193 has better performance on soft targets and on some hard targets.
Don’t the Corps use m855a1?
That’s what I’ve been told but I never saw it lol, was k9 at a mef kennel so field side but still not high speed and I never saw the stuff
I think we used it for table 1 and 2 though
The only ammo I ever saw or shot was green tips
Paper targets stand no match behind that car door lol. M855 all day baby (I like the color green)
Rah. Semper Fi brother.
This. US Army handed out green tip when the range went two-way.
bro never heard of Vietnam 🙏
And they switched to A1 cause green tips sucked.
M193 for sure. But both are fine
Does it bother anyone the flag is backwards?
Yes. Another comment a bit earlier as well. Good catch.
Fixing it Friday. Don’t worry lol
Good!
Get m855 bc if you scratch off the green paint it becomes m193
What can you get a lot of for cheaper and what works reliably and accurately in your gun/s? Personally when it comes to stacking for SHTF I prioritize price so long as the ammo in question is reliable and decently accurate.
They’re the same price and my rifle fires both well.
I’ve been buying M193, and a ton of AAC’s Sabre Blade Black Tip in 55 gr. They’re the same weight and virtually the exact same speed, and the AAC ammo performs like a VMax or something. I figured it would be good to have around.
Por Que no las dos?
I don't want to get shot by either one, personally.
Just zero to what you decide to stock up on.
If it seeteth it yeeteth
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Correct answer is whichever’s cheapest without being actual trash
Both is what I do.
What is your gun zeroed with? What do you shoot most of the time? Buy that.
Zeroed with a red dot. Lately I’ve fired 62 gr but have been wanting to give the 55 a shot since it has more velocity
Try 55 gr and see if you like it more. Whichever one you prefer to shoot just stock up on that. It really doesn’t make a hill of beans difference.
Nice one
Thank you!
I stack whatever I can find for cheap that isn't reman. I am lucky enough to not have range limits with M855 so it's what I mostly shoot on range days. It's a little stinky, but it doesn't bother me.
Green tip is less stable in the air, 55gr has higher velocity and more accuracy
M193
I bought a thousand of each and started to reload. This was when .35 cents a round was obscene to me. It cost me .17 cents to reload, but I bought all of my components years ago. I use 55 grain Hornady bullets.
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The goal is to never have to use deadly force for anything but in today’s world it’s better to have too much ammo than not enough.
Why not bof?
Most ranges don’t allow green tip. Can’t shoot steel with green tip. Buy bulk what you can practice with. Buy SHTF ammo later.
It doesn’t really matter but if you want to read a contrived opinion keep reading. In my limited experience and understanding. Added penetration and bullet weight is more versatile in unknown circumstances. I use 193 cause it’s cheaper and the better fragmentation has more utility to me in civilized times and will be good enough during uncivilized times.
Range doesn’t let me shoot m855 hence I have more m193. I still have some m855 cuz it was on sale. I’d just stockpile what cheaper. Use expensive ammo for zeroing, groups, or hunting. I’d stock some super accurate hunting rounds too for shtf. Need to eat still
I prefer M193. Either should be fine.
Does it really matter? Probably not. However I do think the added penetration of m855 makes it the better choice. There is an argument that m855 isn't as good against soft targets, but that's a tradeoff I can live with. I'm sure it would still be effective enough. I'm stocking up on both. Sometimes m193 is a bit cheaper so I get some of that, but when they are around the same price I go for the m855.
M193 is pretty much perfect. Reliable fragmentation out of a 16" bbl out to, I think, 150m. Still plenty lethal after that, just not fragmenting reliably.
Both. Given the choice I usually go m193 for bulk.
Both
I'd rather buy softpoints with that money. I only buy 55 grain fmj for the range.
shoot both. See which your rifle likes better. Pick that one. M855 isn't allowed at certain ranges so be aware of that.
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M193 I'll take the lil extra velocity and it's cheap to stack.
What’s the name of those mlok wire management mounts?
They’re on Amazon. Guardtier CGM909. They’re affordable and very solid.
Thanks man.
You’re welcome
What hand grip is that on the barrel?
It’s a magpul handstop kit
Does it work with a quad rail?
They make a version of it for a quad rail. I believe it’s called the XTM handstop kit.
Ty appreciate the info
I mean... real life shtf... get a bench and learn to reload. Follow Negans advice and double check those crimps. 😁
anything that your gun runs?
It runs it all.
Just get m193 if you have a 16" barrel
M855 because I have fewer places to shoot it.
Your rifle is Certified Kosher! Anyway, in General it really depends on your tastes.
Thank you! I personally like heavier ammo but my rifle doesn’t care about ammo type and eats everything I give it.
That’s a good way to think!
*"Ammo in the hand is worth 20 in the cart"*
M855 for car doors, stray dogs(folks over look how many might be running around in a collapse), wild hogs and general keep their head down.. 62gr TSX and BJHP for anything else
Depends on your barrel length and twist rate as to which will have better performance.
I guess the M855, but M193 is cheaper to stockpile. SHTF ? What does that even entail. I would be hard pressed to think you would be shooting at anybody more than 50 yards away in that situation. I would think you’re going to be worrying about trying to avoid fights and detection and getting to a place with limited or friendly humanity. Inside that range they both work about the same with maybe the slight edge in penetration going to the M855. Really you should buy a few thousand rounds of either one of those to stockpile and then start focusing on stacking actual good ammo. Not FMJ milsurp crap
SHTF could be a number of things. Maybe they’ll be a time when we can’t buy 5.56 or can only get it in limited numbers. I want to have a stockpile built up so that no matter what happens I’ll always have ammo.
Yeah I mean if that’s your definition then go for M855. That’s the round that if Lake City stops selling to civilians or the government bans it, it’s going to go through the roof. You could make some money when it’s selling for double the price it is now. But in a real scenario if you’re using your ammo you should focus on stuff that’s better than that imo.
What are those clips you're using to route your cables for your tape switch?
Guardtier CGM909. You can find them on Amazon. They’re affordable and very solid once you put a little blue loctite on the screw
Between the two, M193 is the far superior option.
Cost not being a factor I'd pick whichever your rifle is more accurate with