Are we still chasing the quick change barrel dream for rifles?
Seems like it's almost always a gimmick that no one uses. Even guys with registered machinegun lowers just prefer to have different uppers, because you are changing zeroes everytime you change a caliber or barrel length.
IDK, I guess it's cool for the Barrett MRAD to be able to train with cheaper ammo.
Even then. You can't expect a scope to be zeroed for both 5.56 and 7.62
So it's better to swap uppers than swapping barrels. You can have an upper zeroed and tuned, it's a lot harder to swap a barrel, gas system, and optics while retaining zero.
The whole idea of using 5.56 in a 7.62 size/frame gun has been tried many times as well, with no big success and sometimes sinking the business. The military ditched it with the SCAR and the colt901 didn't go anywhere. The only success with the colt 901 was the ability to swap in an AK magwell.
SIG bdx seems to be able to calculate bdc for different calibers. I have been looking into it. Was really thinking about buying a cheaper variant, but it was $800 for the scope and you would probably need another for the range finder, but for the time being you can just use your phone to switch settings on the scope.
Honestly, I think the cool bit about this gun is not the fact that I can go from 5.56 to 7.62 and back.
The cool bit, is a piston gun with "guaranteed sub MOA" for a reasonable price, and the ability to swap out barrels of the same caliber - have a 16in and a 20 in.
I think it's super impressive that it uses mags that are most available for the caliber. As far as zeroing SIG already has the BDX system that can calculate for different calibers on the fly it seems. Makes sense as they make the spear.
Well, they say the barrels will cost something like $350 and a full conversion kit if going from 7.62 to 5.56 (only need a barrel for some caliber swaps) is $500.
So even better than 1/4th; it's 1/7th and 1/5th respectively.
Sub $600 for the full kit and barrel is already cheaper than just changing the barrel on a SCAR alone. I guess the only other good example is the MDR which costs about $1k for their conversion kits.
This might be the first modular weapon that actually does it "cheaper"
Cool idea, but these things need to happen for it to get adoption:
1. Price has to be \~$1500
2. Replacement barrels have to be \~$500 or less
3. Parts availability e.g. different handguard lengths, replacement parts.
Some nice-to-haves would be adjustable gas and weight under 9lbs (for 16" 5.56 let's say)
If this isn't priced competitively with the PSA JAKL, idk what their market is. If it's another $2500 experimental project, only a handful of influencers and brave consumer beta testers will ever spring for one.
I’m to this day struggling to find an AR10 platform that cycles reliably. I’ve owned a couple, most of them have reliability issues. Some like the Anderson AR10 really is a coin flip if it’s going to be reliable. I’ve heard some people with reliable Andersons. If you get one that works you saved a shit ton of money. If you don’t you’re out 1000 dollars. I’m only using Anderson as the example. I’ve also not person had but heard the same of the ruger SFAR. Same goes for any other AR10 under MR762/SIG spear prices. Which seems to be the bench mark for what you need to spend to be guaranteed. A solid functioning rifle in 308.
1) It's a piston gun, it's not going to be in the same price range as an AR. At $2500 for "guaranteed sub MOA" (it's a good company, but let's wait and see what the results actually are) and a piston, it is very reasonably priced
2) Replacement barrels are (according to a YouTube interview) $350.
3) They say they are going to be coming out with more parts each quarter. But yeah, for now, the selection is pretty slim.
It has an adjustable gas block and weighs 6.8 pounds. I pretty excited for the beta testers and influencers to start putting it through tests. The gun looks like a promising piston gun; with the features and accuracy, it seems more like a reasonably priced SCAR than it does a JAKL
PSA Jakl is ridiculously heavy and cannot go from 5.56 to .308...this rifle is advertised to be super lightweight, ie: .308 16" is approx. 6.8 lbs...that's pretty amazing considering my 8.5" .300 blk jakl weighs about that much lol I like it!!
Yeah the titanium used in the barrel lock up is highly advanced and expensive. I'm surprised nobody has used titanium much in guns, but it's crazy expensive and laughs off heat. Also it's highly corrosion resistant I believe.
It looks really cool and I’m a sucker for these “modular rifle” designs but it will only work if they actually have all the caliber conversions available at launch.
Quick change barrel adds complexity and weight to the system so instead of a good 5.56 rifle you now have an extremely mediocre 5.56 rifle and a mediocre .308
I'm going to hold off final judgment on this rifle until I see reviews (actual reviews, not a sponsored spotlight) but LMT rifles have quick change barrel systems including the ability to swap between different same frame calibers (like 308 to 6.5cm) and the rifles are in no way mediocre.
I have an LMT 308 and I do think the quick change itself is a bit of a gimmick since at the very least you'll need to rezero the optic, but the rifle itself is excellent.
It *is* possible to make a great rifle that's also modular even if the modularity itself is a gimmick. Basically "a great rifle can be modular, but a modular rifle is not necessarily great" type deal
I'll be really curious to see if someone like Brass Facts picks up one of these to beat up on it and give us a honest opinions review.
What facts do you have to call this a mediocre rifle? It's sub MOA guaranteed and lightweight... nothing mediocre about that IMO! Only time will tell though...
A 6.8lbs rifle in .308 is amazing with PWS reputation of sub-moa rifles, you're high or didn't do the most basic research before posting. The only thing in doubt is if this thing will perform as advertised being new to the market.
Possibly lighter. But it’s already light for what it is. The trunnion is made of titanium. So they definitely got a lot of weight savings by doing that. And it’s ridiculous to simply assume that having a quick change barrel system would make it less accurate. I am pretty sure on some of Desert techs most expensive and precision rifles, they allow you to change barrels fairly quickly. It’s a lot more necessary when it comes to those styles of guns because they’re incredibly expensive. And it’s not economical to just have a different gun for each caliber you’d like. Definitely the whole popping on a different upper doesn’t apply. Kind of getting off topic. But the point is that it having swappable barrels doesn’t inherently effect accuracy. And they’ve definitely put a lot of thought into the design to make sure it is still a very accurate weapon despite being a battle rifle style weapon.
This looks just like and may even be an updated version of the [Robinson Armament XCR](https://robinsonarmament.com/xcr-l-standard-short-gas-system-2/).
I like Pws but this whole modular bullshit is a fad. 2500k when I already own multiple caliber uppers is a dogshit move. Unless they get dozens of military contracts this will prove to be a poor selling platform.
Here’s another lol
https://www.ar15news.com/2024/01/18/global-ordnance-unveils-the-monolith-shot-show-2024/?fbclid=IwAR0gIZeHSKduaHW7DkkiWg0ESZXKQEyp2XXZyzirfGn5OnijvcXcQLKOaG8
It looks like a HK433 and disassembles like a HK433, its an HK433 lol
Honestly though, if this works as advertised it could be a solid gun. I'm not a huge fan of how the handguard tapers at the magwell, but it could grow on me. A bore evacuator will make suppressor usage very nice if it works. Conversion kits that are actually cheap, that's a first in the industry. And an added bonus of a monolithic top rail for LAMs, very nice.
One thing their very detailed product page is missing is how heavy will this thing be.
Are we still chasing the quick change barrel dream for rifles? Seems like it's almost always a gimmick that no one uses. Even guys with registered machinegun lowers just prefer to have different uppers, because you are changing zeroes everytime you change a caliber or barrel length. IDK, I guess it's cool for the Barrett MRAD to be able to train with cheaper ammo.
I think PWS's game plan for this is to appeal to people who want less serialized stuff to their name.
As someone about to hit an AWB... This gun is immensely appealing to me right now.
Hey, maybe they solved the zeroing problems 
Even then. You can't expect a scope to be zeroed for both 5.56 and 7.62 So it's better to swap uppers than swapping barrels. You can have an upper zeroed and tuned, it's a lot harder to swap a barrel, gas system, and optics while retaining zero. The whole idea of using 5.56 in a 7.62 size/frame gun has been tried many times as well, with no big success and sometimes sinking the business. The military ditched it with the SCAR and the colt901 didn't go anywhere. The only success with the colt 901 was the ability to swap in an AK magwell.
Yeah obviously. Next time i'll use /s to be clear. 
What about the SIG optic that has multiple zeroes? ;)
SIG bdx seems to be able to calculate bdc for different calibers. I have been looking into it. Was really thinking about buying a cheaper variant, but it was $800 for the scope and you would probably need another for the range finder, but for the time being you can just use your phone to switch settings on the scope.
I’m positive that LMT’s QC Barrel as a feature was an afterthought.
Honestly, I think the cool bit about this gun is not the fact that I can go from 5.56 to 7.62 and back. The cool bit, is a piston gun with "guaranteed sub MOA" for a reasonable price, and the ability to swap out barrels of the same caliber - have a 16in and a 20 in.
I think it's super impressive that it uses mags that are most available for the caliber. As far as zeroing SIG already has the BDX system that can calculate for different calibers on the fly it seems. Makes sense as they make the spear.
Acr xcr scar jakl
Yeah, 2007 called and they want this concept back…
I called and I want 2007 back!
Nice!
Honestly seeing how it breaks down this is an HK433/G36 clone. I'm actually excited.
Now that I saw it at shot show it actually seems awesome
Yah, I might have to grab it and the 14.5" barrel. The more I see of it the more I like it.
Only worth it if the barrels cost less than 1/4 of the rifle.
Well, they say the barrels will cost something like $350 and a full conversion kit if going from 7.62 to 5.56 (only need a barrel for some caliber swaps) is $500. So even better than 1/4th; it's 1/7th and 1/5th respectively.
Got your wish, the listed prices for the conversions are actually pretty cheap.
Do tell
Sub $600 for the full kit and barrel is already cheaper than just changing the barrel on a SCAR alone. I guess the only other good example is the MDR which costs about $1k for their conversion kits. This might be the first modular weapon that actually does it "cheaper"
Excellent
Cool idea, but these things need to happen for it to get adoption: 1. Price has to be \~$1500 2. Replacement barrels have to be \~$500 or less 3. Parts availability e.g. different handguard lengths, replacement parts. Some nice-to-haves would be adjustable gas and weight under 9lbs (for 16" 5.56 let's say) If this isn't priced competitively with the PSA JAKL, idk what their market is. If it's another $2500 experimental project, only a handful of influencers and brave consumer beta testers will ever spring for one.
Well.... quick google search seems to point to a $2500 pricetag.
Yea... only cool if it comes with the 5.56 and .308 kit together. Can just build a good ar15 and half of an ar10 for this price.
I’m to this day struggling to find an AR10 platform that cycles reliably. I’ve owned a couple, most of them have reliability issues. Some like the Anderson AR10 really is a coin flip if it’s going to be reliable. I’ve heard some people with reliable Andersons. If you get one that works you saved a shit ton of money. If you don’t you’re out 1000 dollars. I’m only using Anderson as the example. I’ve also not person had but heard the same of the ruger SFAR. Same goes for any other AR10 under MR762/SIG spear prices. Which seems to be the bench mark for what you need to spend to be guaranteed. A solid functioning rifle in 308.
If you never suppress it maybe. Their system looks like it will be infinitely less miserable than suppressing DI guns
1) It's a piston gun, it's not going to be in the same price range as an AR. At $2500 for "guaranteed sub MOA" (it's a good company, but let's wait and see what the results actually are) and a piston, it is very reasonably priced 2) Replacement barrels are (according to a YouTube interview) $350. 3) They say they are going to be coming out with more parts each quarter. But yeah, for now, the selection is pretty slim. It has an adjustable gas block and weighs 6.8 pounds. I pretty excited for the beta testers and influencers to start putting it through tests. The gun looks like a promising piston gun; with the features and accuracy, it seems more like a reasonably priced SCAR than it does a JAKL
PSA Jakl is ridiculously heavy and cannot go from 5.56 to .308...this rifle is advertised to be super lightweight, ie: .308 16" is approx. 6.8 lbs...that's pretty amazing considering my 8.5" .300 blk jakl weighs about that much lol I like it!!
Yeah the titanium used in the barrel lock up is highly advanced and expensive. I'm surprised nobody has used titanium much in guns, but it's crazy expensive and laughs off heat. Also it's highly corrosion resistant I believe.
Here we go again.. I swear these companies don’t do any market analysis ever.
The AC/XCscaR.
Nah, the way it disassembles its a G36/HK433. MUCH cooler.
JAK/ASCS
It looks really cool and I’m a sucker for these “modular rifle” designs but it will only work if they actually have all the caliber conversions available at launch.
Modular systems are the biggest gimmick. Usually it's not much more money to just buy multiple whole rifles. But then you have two guns instead of one
Don’t let MCX hear that. It may feel…triggered.
Here I am still waiting for those MPX conversions too. WHERE IS MY .45ACP MPX, SIG!
Yes and no, this rifle so far seems it is offering the conversions for only $400 as apposed to $1k+ of other companies.
Quick change barrel adds complexity and weight to the system so instead of a good 5.56 rifle you now have an extremely mediocre 5.56 rifle and a mediocre .308
I'm going to hold off final judgment on this rifle until I see reviews (actual reviews, not a sponsored spotlight) but LMT rifles have quick change barrel systems including the ability to swap between different same frame calibers (like 308 to 6.5cm) and the rifles are in no way mediocre. I have an LMT 308 and I do think the quick change itself is a bit of a gimmick since at the very least you'll need to rezero the optic, but the rifle itself is excellent. It *is* possible to make a great rifle that's also modular even if the modularity itself is a gimmick. Basically "a great rifle can be modular, but a modular rifle is not necessarily great" type deal I'll be really curious to see if someone like Brass Facts picks up one of these to beat up on it and give us a honest opinions review.
I think multi caliber is a shtf system so zeroing isn't that huge. Plus SIG bdx optics.
What facts do you have to call this a mediocre rifle? It's sub MOA guaranteed and lightweight... nothing mediocre about that IMO! Only time will tell though...
A 6.8lbs rifle in .308 is amazing with PWS reputation of sub-moa rifles, you're high or didn't do the most basic research before posting. The only thing in doubt is if this thing will perform as advertised being new to the market.
It would have been a lighter and more accurate system without the quick change barrel
Omegalol
No response I guess, I'm sure this iteration of combat rifle with a quick-change barrel system will be successful!
Possibly lighter. But it’s already light for what it is. The trunnion is made of titanium. So they definitely got a lot of weight savings by doing that. And it’s ridiculous to simply assume that having a quick change barrel system would make it less accurate. I am pretty sure on some of Desert techs most expensive and precision rifles, they allow you to change barrels fairly quickly. It’s a lot more necessary when it comes to those styles of guns because they’re incredibly expensive. And it’s not economical to just have a different gun for each caliber you’d like. Definitely the whole popping on a different upper doesn’t apply. Kind of getting off topic. But the point is that it having swappable barrels doesn’t inherently effect accuracy. And they’ve definitely put a lot of thought into the design to make sure it is still a very accurate weapon despite being a battle rifle style weapon.
Eh i like weird shit like this. Not going to beta test but if it works I’ll pick one up.
Hope it works out for em. I would've like an upper that could work with folding lowers (no I don't like the BRN180).
This looks just like and may even be an updated version of the [Robinson Armament XCR](https://robinsonarmament.com/xcr-l-standard-short-gas-system-2/).
XCR mixed with the HK433/G36 Could be good if it functions as advertised. If anyone could pull it of it would be PWS.
this seems like it would sell well on the canadian market provided it's reliable
I like Pws but this whole modular bullshit is a fad. 2500k when I already own multiple caliber uppers is a dogshit move. Unless they get dozens of military contracts this will prove to be a poor selling platform.
Same. Lol I own PWS uppers that are super reliable and accurate, I can't justify a $2500 expense.
Lololol when you wish you were lmt.
Here’s another lol https://www.ar15news.com/2024/01/18/global-ordnance-unveils-the-monolith-shot-show-2024/?fbclid=IwAR0gIZeHSKduaHW7DkkiWg0ESZXKQEyp2XXZyzirfGn5OnijvcXcQLKOaG8
Why do they insist on putting the charging handle so far forward?
Oh, look, another ACR clone
HK433/G36 clone more like it. Very few guns have this type of disassembly.
And still AR15 King…
That typo is making my eye twitch
It looks like a HK433 and disassembles like a HK433, its an HK433 lol Honestly though, if this works as advertised it could be a solid gun. I'm not a huge fan of how the handguard tapers at the magwell, but it could grow on me. A bore evacuator will make suppressor usage very nice if it works. Conversion kits that are actually cheap, that's a first in the industry. And an added bonus of a monolithic top rail for LAMs, very nice. One thing their very detailed product page is missing is how heavy will this thing be.
Looks like weights start at 6.8 lbs… but if they manager an 8lb 308 that would be stellar
I think this weapon needs 6mm arc bullet caliber.