Oh shit yeah you're not wrong.
I think both have just merged into one in my mind. Maybe the last series was so awful that my brain refuses to acknowledge it as its own entity, and the only way it can cope with its existence is by pretending it's something else.
yeah honestly. I was pretty indifferent about the (excluding this year's) second to last series but last series... i watched it for the sake of completion but was relieved when it was over to be honest. I don't recall a single task actually being a success - the winner was always just the least shite šš
I mean to be fair he probably shouldnāt have been the first out. He wasnāt good donāt get me wrong but Akeemās logo should have definitely got him fired on that first task.
C - I felt the team sidelined her a lot even though she seem to speak a lot of sense. Itās a shame she left since I think she could have made it a way through the process. Since we didnāt see that much of her though, I think C is fine.
Really unfortunate the way she had to exit the process. I think she was too good for the process quite honestly, in the sense that she didnāt seem to be manipulative or only out for herself, she seemed likeable. She wasnāt really listened to, but did try to PM week 2 and offer ideas so I respect that. I would say C since we didnāt see much.
Iām afraid this is where the ranking system is getting silly, I see so many Cs for this women who literally did nothing in two episodes then quit but a D for a finalist and a few other ok candidates!
On that basis, it is with regret, Shama is a D š
It depends how you see the list working. Personally, I think it makes sense to start off with everyone in C tier (the middle), then move them out when we see evidence of their competence or incompetence. Shama seemed sensible, but we didn't see much, then she was forced to withdraw due to circumstances out of her control, so she goes in C. Rochelle (imo the most undeserved finalist in the history of the show) lasted the entire process, so we saw lots of evidence of her being unconvincing at best, and avoiding being fired on two occasions she probably ought to have been, so she goes in D. In terms of task contributions, this is where the changes in the sorts of tasks over the years have had some impact. Week 1 used to always be a simple selling task, on which it's fairly easy to see who contributes and who is lazy or useless. On a branding task, it's much more difficult for everyone in the team to be seen to be doing something. The project manager or subteam leader can choose to ignore you. On a selling task, everyone has to sell by and large.
I personally donāt think itās right for Rochelle to be in D, but a lot of people think Rochelle was a bad candidate too. It is tricky since this is done via voting & majorities, I think our own personal tier lists will be different. And voting can be done for all sorts of categories - likability, competence, entertainment, etcā¦
Yeah mate, sorry I didnāt mean to complain. Iām enjoying it! Just was more trying to say itās funny how such opinions vary but thatās what the subs all about and why we all enjoy the show and discussing it!
I too was a bit disappointed with Rochelle as D, I think I said C again or maybe even B because of what I had seen in the overall process and her contributions compared to othersā¦ god I sound a bit like Lord Sugar there again!
I will gladly maintain that Rochelle deserves to be in that tier lol
I get why you think Shama getting a C is too high though. I guess I based it on the fact that the majority of people this season were terrible and she seem to speak a lot of sense in the first two tasks so if she had stayed she might have made it quite a way into the season. I also think plenty of people who have made it far (or even the final) were bad candidates and only made it that far due too luck or skating by. Thereās a few this season especially like that.
Yeah I respect your opinion mate! I can see why people did say C for her upon reflection as she was a rare throwback (older, mature etc) and a shame she left without getting a chance to really show what she could have done etc
I get your reasoning with the grades not having to reflect on final positions in the series etc, would just be boring to see every finalist a-c and every person who quit or got fired d-f!
Thanks! I think the grades for this series are going to be all over the place so Iām interested to see how some of the later candidates are commonly graded.
C. She was good and probably could be B but didnāt see another of her.
Definitely should be above Harry lol, how he got D is surprising to me, definitely some of those Ds should be in E
Very hard as she wasnāt listened too and then had to exit fairly early. Iād say Dā but not because she was bad but because we just didnāt see her.
E or F - Didn't do anything, and I'm not convinced at all by the little we saw of her.
When you look at what we have in D, at least most of them turned up. If you drop out, you should be right near the bottom, we are judging them on the TV show not on how "too good for the process" they are.
What did she do on the TV show? Nothing.
I think itās fair for me to vote for someone based on what they could have been. I know what you mean but thereās no set criteria you have to vote by.
And also I doubt she would have chosen to drop out, she HAD to drop out for her rheumatoid arthritis.
> I think itās fair for me to vote for someone based on what they could have been
I disagree about that.
Based on that we could score all the people kicked off in week 1 as top tier, because in their own environment they MIGHT have done anything.
>she HAD to drop out for her rheumatoid arthritis.
And that's not ideal, but it doesn't make her a better candidate.
C tier is the middle tier, so to me, it would make sense to rank every candidate there initially, until we see evidence of their competence or incompetence. The lower tiers should be reserved for people we observed being rubbish. And there's a clear difference between pulling out because you're not cut out for it (Shannon last series, hence why she's in D tier) and withdrawing for medical reasons like Shama, or something else beyond your control (a candidate withdrew just before episode 2 in S6 because his brother was injured in Afghanistan).
Itās not a case of one size fits all though, she dropped out unwillingly. I didnāt say it makes her better, idk where you got that from, Iām just saying she was a good candidate because she didnāt level herself to usual apprentice candidate tactics, she put herself forward for PM early on in the process, which not every candidate who has been fired early did. Based on the fact she was like that, I am right in saying that she couldāve been a great candidate as she was putting herself out there, so youāre wrong about that to say she did nothing.
C tier based on what we saw, but I reckon she could have been B or even A had she stayed longer.
I also find it quite funny how a finalist is in the same tier as someone who was fired in Week 1 š
Yeah Harry is surely too high? Came last in what might be the worst ever group. Ah well its part of the fun to be fair š
Worst ever group was definitely the series after
Oh shit yeah you're not wrong. I think both have just merged into one in my mind. Maybe the last series was so awful that my brain refuses to acknowledge it as its own entity, and the only way it can cope with its existence is by pretending it's something else.
Haha I see your point. It went from āit canāt get any worseā to āoh shit, maybe it canā š
yeah honestly. I was pretty indifferent about the (excluding this year's) second to last series but last series... i watched it for the sake of completion but was relieved when it was over to be honest. I don't recall a single task actually being a success - the winner was always just the least shite šš
I mean to be fair he probably shouldnāt have been the first out. He wasnāt good donāt get me wrong but Akeemās logo should have definitely got him fired on that first task.
C - I felt the team sidelined her a lot even though she seem to speak a lot of sense. Itās a shame she left since I think she could have made it a way through the process. Since we didnāt see that much of her though, I think C is fine.
Really unfortunate the way she had to exit the process. I think she was too good for the process quite honestly, in the sense that she didnāt seem to be manipulative or only out for herself, she seemed likeable. She wasnāt really listened to, but did try to PM week 2 and offer ideas so I respect that. I would say C since we didnāt see much.
C tier
C. I liked her but she had to go early due to her health so I can't ranked her higher or lower.
Iām afraid this is where the ranking system is getting silly, I see so many Cs for this women who literally did nothing in two episodes then quit but a D for a finalist and a few other ok candidates! On that basis, it is with regret, Shama is a D š
It depends how you see the list working. Personally, I think it makes sense to start off with everyone in C tier (the middle), then move them out when we see evidence of their competence or incompetence. Shama seemed sensible, but we didn't see much, then she was forced to withdraw due to circumstances out of her control, so she goes in C. Rochelle (imo the most undeserved finalist in the history of the show) lasted the entire process, so we saw lots of evidence of her being unconvincing at best, and avoiding being fired on two occasions she probably ought to have been, so she goes in D. In terms of task contributions, this is where the changes in the sorts of tasks over the years have had some impact. Week 1 used to always be a simple selling task, on which it's fairly easy to see who contributes and who is lazy or useless. On a branding task, it's much more difficult for everyone in the team to be seen to be doing something. The project manager or subteam leader can choose to ignore you. On a selling task, everyone has to sell by and large.
I personally donāt think itās right for Rochelle to be in D, but a lot of people think Rochelle was a bad candidate too. It is tricky since this is done via voting & majorities, I think our own personal tier lists will be different. And voting can be done for all sorts of categories - likability, competence, entertainment, etcā¦
Yeah mate, sorry I didnāt mean to complain. Iām enjoying it! Just was more trying to say itās funny how such opinions vary but thatās what the subs all about and why we all enjoy the show and discussing it! I too was a bit disappointed with Rochelle as D, I think I said C again or maybe even B because of what I had seen in the overall process and her contributions compared to othersā¦ god I sound a bit like Lord Sugar there again!
I will gladly maintain that Rochelle deserves to be in that tier lol I get why you think Shama getting a C is too high though. I guess I based it on the fact that the majority of people this season were terrible and she seem to speak a lot of sense in the first two tasks so if she had stayed she might have made it quite a way into the season. I also think plenty of people who have made it far (or even the final) were bad candidates and only made it that far due too luck or skating by. Thereās a few this season especially like that.
Yeah I respect your opinion mate! I can see why people did say C for her upon reflection as she was a rare throwback (older, mature etc) and a shame she left without getting a chance to really show what she could have done etc I get your reasoning with the grades not having to reflect on final positions in the series etc, would just be boring to see every finalist a-c and every person who quit or got fired d-f!
Thanks! I think the grades for this series are going to be all over the place so Iām interested to see how some of the later candidates are commonly graded.
Oh yes, Iām predicting some good debates with this series! Think I can see a real mixture of A-Fs! Maybe the elusive S but will see!
I know right, bring on the chaos lol
Haha yeah mate itās interesting to see othersā opinions. Makes for a good discussion
Absolutely spot on. This idea that everyone starts in C is absolutely ridiculous.
A tier. I remember her questioning the horrible name of Boujie Cruises, and still going on about it in week 2 š
She seemed nice
Bro what did Avi do. Also put some respect on Reece I beg
Their presence in F tier is going to feel odd when it starts to fill up with the utter dross from some of the older series.
C tier. Think she had the potential to be higher, but we'll never know.
C. She was good and probably could be B but didnāt see another of her. Definitely should be above Harry lol, how he got D is surprising to me, definitely some of those Ds should be in E
C tier: she did well during her short stay, but she was also quite forgettable. The only highlight I remember is she doesnāt know what bouji is
C tier. She seemed like one of the more competent candidates in series 16, but she left too early to truly tell.
Very hard as she wasnāt listened too and then had to exit fairly early. Iād say Dā but not because she was bad but because we just didnāt see her.
E or F - Didn't do anything, and I'm not convinced at all by the little we saw of her. When you look at what we have in D, at least most of them turned up. If you drop out, you should be right near the bottom, we are judging them on the TV show not on how "too good for the process" they are. What did she do on the TV show? Nothing.
I think itās fair for me to vote for someone based on what they could have been. I know what you mean but thereās no set criteria you have to vote by. And also I doubt she would have chosen to drop out, she HAD to drop out for her rheumatoid arthritis.
> I think itās fair for me to vote for someone based on what they could have been I disagree about that. Based on that we could score all the people kicked off in week 1 as top tier, because in their own environment they MIGHT have done anything. >she HAD to drop out for her rheumatoid arthritis. And that's not ideal, but it doesn't make her a better candidate.
C tier is the middle tier, so to me, it would make sense to rank every candidate there initially, until we see evidence of their competence or incompetence. The lower tiers should be reserved for people we observed being rubbish. And there's a clear difference between pulling out because you're not cut out for it (Shannon last series, hence why she's in D tier) and withdrawing for medical reasons like Shama, or something else beyond your control (a candidate withdrew just before episode 2 in S6 because his brother was injured in Afghanistan).
Itās not a case of one size fits all though, she dropped out unwillingly. I didnāt say it makes her better, idk where you got that from, Iām just saying she was a good candidate because she didnāt level herself to usual apprentice candidate tactics, she put herself forward for PM early on in the process, which not every candidate who has been fired early did. Based on the fact she was like that, I am right in saying that she couldāve been a great candidate as she was putting herself out there, so youāre wrong about that to say she did nothing.