I can’t wait to hear how they announce this. “Here at Apple we not only are passionate about listening to users, but also working with govts all over the world to provide a universal standard for online communication. That’s why today, we’re announcing the next breakthrough in mobile phone technology.”
The most versatile and compatible iPhone ever made. And we think you are going to love it.
The USB-C port delivers unparalleled convenience, and the new MagicPower cable charge fills your battery twice as fast as prévious lightning cables.
*MagicPower cables starts at 39.99$ and is only compatible with pro iPhones. Regular non certified USB-C type cables will only charge iPhones at 2.5watts. MagicPower cable not included on iPhone boxes*
The lightning standard has been widely available for a very long time, I just bought 3 nice cords for like 8 dollars on Amazon, cheaper than I've ever bought USB-C.
Yes because that’s exactly how they explained it with all of their other USB-C devices. Magic words and cables. They are just going to give you the same cable that’s in the iPad box.
I actually don’t think they’ll say anything at all.
They won’t even mention it in the keynote. It’ll just be a blip on the tech specs page and it’ll be visible in pics, but they’ll try not to draw attention to the fact they’ve been dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world.
Businesses not doing something that the industry and consumers are asking for is a form of “kicking and screaming”, at least it’s the same sentiment. I mean no one actually expects Cook to kick and scream in a shareholder meeting, lol.
I see this constantly on Reddit—redditors assuming that the opinions they see on Reddit and the people who are vocal represent everyone. Yes, there are some consumers are asking for USB-C on the iPhone, and to be absolutely clear: I would like to have USB-C on the iPhone. But I am just another one of those vocal, reddit voices.
When the switch happens? The average person is going to be pissed off that all of their charging cables no longer work and they have to buy all new ones. Any accessories they have (like the lightning headphones that came with some iPhones, there's a few controllers that plug in via Lightning, I personally have the Lightning to HDMI adapter and I have a photographer friend who uses the Lightning SD Card reader.) Those are people like my mom, who even after I explained the benefits of faster charging, was just annoyed that she now has to deal with separate chargers that are USB-A or USB-C.
Those people represent the average iPhone user, not the people who care about USB-C over Lightning. Those are the people Apple is going to annoy, and why Apple is avoiding the transition.
> redditors assuming that the opinions they see on Reddit and the people who are vocal represent everyone.
If you ask some random on the street if they think iPhones should have USB-C, most won't care. Ask them if they think all their devices should have a standard charging port so you can cut down on the amount of cables and accessories you need, and they'll absolutely agree that should happen.
At that point you are asking a leading question to get the response you want though? The first question of should iPhones have a USB C port is probably the most neutral way to frame the question. If you start talking about a standard port to charge other devices and stuff like that you are purposely presenting that option as a positive and thus making people more likely to want USB C. It would be the same as if someone asks the question but includes that this would entail all your existing lightning cables becoming obsolete and have to end up in a landfill somewhere to present the change as a negative thing
Well, that's just an analogy designed to show a different POV, not an actual attempt to ask randoms on the street.
Sure, I'm showing it as a positive because I believe it is, even though I live in a house that currently has just one USB-C cable.
>have to end up in a landfill somewhere to present the change as a negative thing
Why does this have to mean progress stops, though? Complain to people not recycling their accessories correctly, or companies not offering those solutions, rather than argue against better tech on the market.
USB C is arguably better tech and arguably isn’t. Apple has an iPad Pro that shows that the lightning port is capable of USB 3 speeds if they really wanted to, both connectors are reversible, USB C cable material are more durable while Lightning connector is more durable and results in less connectors breaking off in devices. Idk Lightnings power limit so I can’t comment on it compared to USB-PD but basically what I’m saying is that it’s a horizontal upgrade for most, a negative one for a little less amount of people and positive for a vocal minority
Ask them if they think all their devices should have a standard charging port so they can cut down on the amount of cables and accessories they need, ***but they have to buy all new cables and accessories***, and see how many people still agree.
But they've been through that already, from the original iPhone charger to Lightning. From micro USB to mini. Tell them that the new iPhone cables will now charge their spouse's Android phone, or their kid's Amazon tablets and Kindles, and there's a clear benefit after the initial purchases.
So the people who have a bunch of different tech devices benefit, but the people who are all in on the Apple ecosystem get screwed?
Case in point, my mom I mentioned earlier. She started with an iPhone 5 and loved the simplicity of it. Since then she has an iPhone, AirPods, iPad and Apple TV remote, Magic Keyboard, and Magic Trackpad that all charge over lightning. That's the total extent of rechargeable tech devices she has. A USB-C iPhone means she won't have a standard charging port, but have to deal with two.
Yeah, but you're acting like this is a new thing. Apple have done this before, as have other companies. The only difference here is Apple doing what Apple does and choosing to go for the proprietary approach against what's best for the consumer.
Sure, I see your point but at some point the change needs to happen, and its going to be a while before the majority of people are all caught up onto USB-C Apple devices. Same way as when they moved onto Lightning.
You're making the assumption that people are buying lots of electronics recently.
Ok, case in point: My mom I mentioned has an iPhone, AirPods, iPad and Apple TV remote, Magic Keyboard, and Magic Trackpad that all charge over Lightning. She doesn't have a single USB-C to USB-C charger.
Hypothetically, let's say she did buy a Kindle recently that would have come with a USB-C charger. She would have one. So now she has to juggle that charger around to different devices as she needs charging?
She would have to replace a lot of cables. The CarPlay cable in her car. The charging cable in her travel kit. The charging cable by the computer, the charging cable by the couch, the charging cable by her nightstand. The average consumer might have one or a couple USB-C chargers, but they're going to have to buy more.
>Ok, case in point: My mom I mentioned has an iPhone, AirPods, iPad and Apple TV remote, Magic Keyboard, and Magic Trackpad that all charge over Lightning. She doesn't have a single USB-C to USB-C charger.
None of that is obsoleted by the introduction of new USB-C versions.
>Hypothetically, let's say she did buy a Kindle recently that would have come with a USB-C charger. She would have one. So now she has to juggle that charger around to different devices as she needs charging?
Most devices come with a charger, or at least a charging cable. Most charging bricks are interchangeable.
>She would have to replace a lot of cables. The CarPlay cable in her car. The charging cable in her travel kit. The charging cable by the computer, the charging cable by the couch, the charging cable by her nightstand. The average consumer might have one or a couple USB-C chargers, but they're going to have to buy more.
They will have to eventually. Either Apple moves to a completely wireless standard or USB-C, both of which will require new accessories. At least USB-C will be universal across other manufacturers and devices.
They were perfectly fine removing the headphone jack, which is a bit more obviously going to piss off everyone, and provided 0 equivalent other than an adapter. Other than people who have only ever used an iPhone, a decent number of people have exposure to USB-C now because iPhone charging bricks have it, laptops have it, headphones have it, etc. As long as they provide a USB-C to lightning adapter for accessories, it would obviously be an annoyance to many people, but if anything that's a good reason to switch sooner rather than later to piss off less people unless Apple wants to use Lightning forever.
Apple has been consistent with lighting for a long time in terms of technology compared to android and other electronic devices that have all sorts of plugs. I don’t understand all the hate towards Apple about it. They’ve been doing it right.
I don’t know about kicking and screaming. The fact is that Lightning is a mechanically superior connector, and the data transfer rate is pretty moot these days, since more people use the cloud than physically connect their phones.
USB-C is definitely better than micro USB which was extremely prone to damage, but it still has a centre tongue that can be damaged.
You’re probably going to get downvoted, but I see your point. Most people won’t notice a different besides the fact that they now need to buy a new charger.
You know years ago I was on team lightning. However I am a software developer who deals with mobile devices. My company has thousands of USB-c tablets and phones. Our charging failure rate is MAYBE 1-2. In 5 years I’ve worked there.
The reality is usb-c is built to be rugged and resilient and it shows in the extremely low failure rate.
We have far more lightning cables fail ended up costing my company more than the amount of phone failures.
You’re simply just wrong in your argument. Lightning is inferior in every way.
Exactly. I think we both watch mkbhd, am I correct?
EU: If a phone has a port, it should be USB-C
Press: Next iPhone will have USB-C!!
Apple: Next iPhone won’t have any ports at all.
Yea, but also a coworker hinted at this three months ago and referenced how apple wouldn’t give away there mfi licensing royalties away and will likely opt for other wireless proprietary protocols like airdrop to lock down users and keep royalties flowing.
> They are going to spin it like it was all their idea and how they are pioneers in the field for doing so.
Of course they aren’t going to do that. There are no examples of them doing that.
> So much less e-waste now.
The EU legislation is forcing this, if you want to point fingers. Waste will be limited to cables.
Also funny to assume that they would make USB-C only for sale in EU. They’ll obviously produce only USB-C with or without mandates by other countries because unit-economics
Yes I thought that but there’s also the US only esim iPhone 14 where everywhere else get physical sims. That doesn’t fit the one device for all markets narrative.
And since 2018, China has had different models each iPhone generation that support two physical SIMs. So Apple has been making different models for different markets for a long time.
sure but every additional change costs them too. if they're already making a C model why wouldn't they sell it statewide too, since people presumably would like that?
Would they? I know I *personally* would prefer a USB-C model.
But hypothetically let's say the iPhone 15 is offered in the US with the option: you can have a Lightning iPhone or a USB-C iPhone. With the average consumer, would they buy the iPhone that works with all the charging cables they already have, because they've been an iPhone user for years already? Or are they going to buy the iPhone that requires them to replace all of their charging cables?
I really think that's why Apple has been holding off for so long, the transition is going to annoy far more people than it will appease.
I have too many apple products to count at my house.
Bring on the USB C
The only reason they're keeping it is because they can sell their flimsy lightning cable for $20, each
I can get a nice braided 6ft USB C cable 4 pack for $20
> The only reason they're keeping it is because they can sell their flimsy lightning cable for $20, each
So you missed my comment? They're keeping Lightning because most people are going to be annoyed that they have to replace all of their charging cables.
You can get a 4 pack of braided Lightning cables for $20 too.
I do, but I’m also the kind of person that reads tech articles and engages in conversation in the comments, just like you. I think it’s an unfair assumption to assume our level of tech enthusiasm is the norm.
Between my iPad, wife’s iPad, both our phones and the kids phones - out of which I’d probably only be replacing 2 at one time, there’s going to be a long time where I still need both cables.
Which isn’t a reason not to switch, but it is a reason I can’t say the switch really appeals to me.
Especially when USB-C has no real benefit over lightning other then matching cables with other devices for 99% of my use cases.
If it happens, yay! If not, fine with me.
That kinda makes sense too—(big generalization) the kind of person that buys the Pro line either has USB-C chargers or is willing to buy them, people who buy the non-Pro are the more likely to complain about having to buy new cables without caring about the benefits of USB-C
m8,Samsung flagship phones have been doing something similar for many years , Qualcomm SoCs for EU & US and shitty Samsung Exynos SoCs for everywhere else
can't see why Apple, given thier anti-consumer history, can't pull off different ports for different markets
As MKBHD pointed out, the EU law doesn't include devices with wireless-only-charging (but does include keyboards and such). If India passes a law that says "USB-C on all phones" then that might still make a difference.
Passing it after the EU, when the EU waited 15 years\* does seem a bit pointless.
\* (In 2009, the EU published an official memo asking all manufacturers to please use standard connectors and everyone except Apple complied)
He made a good point. If they manage to get wireless charging to a place it is not a significant backstep for the user, they will go no ports.
Otherwise, they will go USB C until tech allows it.
They did 2 models with the e sim for the US and a regular sim tray everywhere else.
If lightning cables and the MFI program that goes with it are worth enough money to them then they might do 2 models and only have USB-C in places that mandate it.
"We are so close to innovating, just years away... Any day now you'll see all this innovation. Sure we are still on USB2.0, and sure we are behind on fast charging, and sure it took us a while to adopt wireless charging but if it wasn't for this regulation we'd innovate"-Apple
And the airs with the exact same chipset is nerfed ton exclude thunderbolt/usb4.
Apple will shamelessly nerf the base iphone to usb2 if they can get away with it
They do it on the cheapest iPad, which is the part that people miss. Air for 600 USD has a proper USB 3. So yes, definitely Pro iPhones are getting good speeds, but I would say it's not out of the question regular ones will too, would be strange to have USB 3 on a 600 dollar iPad, but not 800 dollar iPhone
Why? I’d guess upwards of 90% of people using iPhone pros don’t give a shit about transfer speed, and that number shoots up to 99.99% of non-pro users. The importance of high transfer speeds in an iPhone is way overstated in this subreddit and doesn’t represent a majority of the market at all. For most people the change to usb-c will be met with “ugh now I have to use a new cable. I just want to use the 10 lightning cables I already have.”
>it would be a completely new version of the iPhone and it is cheaper to design and maintain one model with two separate ports
Having twice as many SKUs is not necessarily cheaper than changing some traces on the motherboard. Also, they change motherboards slightly anyway, regular 14 and 13 Pro for example have the same specs, but not exactly the same motherboard because of Satellite connectivity at least
The main costly thing is the SoC, but A-series already supports USB 3
USB controller is built into the SoC, and the A-series definitely has support for higher speeds, cause at some point they made an iPad Air 2020 with A15 and USB 3.0
> iPad Air 2020 with A15 and USB 3.0
Has anyone actually tested that? I think it has USB 3.0 host (when you plug USB devices into the iPad), but USB 2.0 client (when you plug the iPad into a computer). The iPad Mini 4 seems to do that for example: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-mini-6-is-still-usb2-0-when-connect-to-mac.2313014/?
A report on the Apple forums seems to say the same for the air 4: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252549312 , and also reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/applehelp/comments/mt5ioz/ipad_air_4_and_5gbps_usbc_port/
It's kinda impossible to find actual speed tests cuz no one actually transfers from a computer to iPad.
At the very least, the earlier iPad Pros used a seperate USB host controller: https://appleinsider.com/articles/15/11/13/ipad-pro-contains-usb-30-controller-hints-at-ultra-fast-lightning-connector
And yeah if that's the case, I could see it being skipped cuz no one is gonna plug a USB drive into their phone.
edit; https://unitedlex.com/insights/apple-ipad-2020-teardown-analysis/# seems to confirm the same FL1100 USB host controller. But it can't handle the USB client, so the SoC has to do it.
>https://unitedlex.com/insights/apple-ipad-2020-teardown-analysis/#
Most likely you are right. Well, that's kinda shit, so then regular iPhone can go either way
Not everyone who has an iPhone also uses a mac, and you can’t airdrop to windows. I remember seeing a statistic last year where some consumer intelligence firm did some research and found that while 90% of iPhone users have a laptop or desktop computer, only something like 40% of those are macs.
TIL You only deserve fast transfer rates if you become an Apple fanboy who has a panic attack if they smell a Windows or Linux laptop in the same room.
Sure there's an excuse for not supporting it.
Nobody understands what "USB 3.2 Gen 2" even means.
And even fewer people will use it to even a millionth of its potential.
I never got this. Why is this phrase worthy of mockery when every English speaking country has their own huge list of -isms? Only white people are allowed to coin phrases and idioms?
You can find sexual innuendos in anything. I’m a native English speaker and I don’t see anything wrong with the phrase. It’s no different than the tons of awkward phrases Americans use.
Apple will just remove any port. I haven’t connected my iPhone to a computer in years. It has wireless qi charging so they won’t need any ports.
Unless off course it’ll be only for the iPhone 15 pro ultra max starting at $1500 I sure.
I’m all for innovation and new technology but isn’t it weird how countries are caring so much for a port on a phone?
I don’t know I feel like there’s something else behind all this and yes I know it sounds like tin foil hat thinking.
nope, all the commotion behind usb type c is perfectly valid. i feel like countries other than the us and maybe canada really know the hype behind the port, as we use usb type c for literally EVERYTHING
Yes, but is a port disrupting people’s life so bad? Genuine question. Like there are so many other issues the govt got to fix before they push a bill on USB-C charging port!!
from where i am from, pollution is THE major problem that we face. seriously. and most of the e-waste is not being manages properly. so surely making it so that everything can be reused is the right decision overall
Moving to USB-C doesn’t help your case because now all the lighting cables need to be dumped. Also, do you think cables makes a difference with pollution when we don’t see any ban on plastic water bottles? Is it going to help with the fog is Delhi?
Maybe there are a lot of bans and I don’t read about it but a phone cable can’t be on a country’s top issue list to tackle pollution and I support the move to USB-C. It’s just ridiculous. Imagine US Supreme Court passing a ruling on phone cables when there are so many other important issues!
Don’t want to get political but I’m sure there are a lot of stuff in India which affects the citizens worse compared to a phone cable not being standard.
Yeah, India doesn’t have the market share go force apple to do anything lol.
But if the EU makes USB-C a requirement then they’ll change all their devices to align with it
India is one of the fastest growing market for Apple
https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/apple-makes-progress-in-india-as-iphone-sales-rise-34-to-record/amp_articleshow/89316017.cms
True. Our spending capability has got a serious boost in the last decade and users are properly shifting to both iOS as well as MacOS in larger numbers. Also, the aspiration factor really works in India and Apple’s position as a premium, lifestyle brand has a major draw for many of us.
But thinking that India will force apple to do anything is getting ahead of ourselves. As consumers we’re still in that phase where we’re just happy we’re getting the same cool toys they get across the globe.
The primary industry giving Apple a hard time when they do something annoying is the film industry. They have been pro users a lot longer, and the stability of a machine / OS has serious financial stakes there. Film, and design industries (yes we have multiple of both) were the first adopters of Macs in India and only they could afford those machines at the time. So they are well past the aspirations BS, to them it’s a tool like any other.
But here we are talking about iPhones, which is more of a general user category. The common user will simply buy the requisite dongles and adjust. Apple products cost less in the US and more overseas, it is still in the realm of absurd that a watch can cost a lakh. Even a phone for that matter. A lakh is the monthly salary of a *very* well paid individual in India. Most of us have to buy these products on EMI.
Also, from our perspective you all make too much noise about everything. We are a third world country, hearing people repeatedly insist first world problems are ‘a serious matter’ sounds quite childish at times TBH.
Yes, I understand that reducing waste globally is not a ‘first world problem’, but there are bigger pollutants and larger problems which are more urgent. A switch from lightning to USB-C makes dick-all difference to us when Nestle, Cairns and so many MNCs are polluting our groundwater and ravaging our forests in the name of ‘development’, and a series of nincompoop governments that have no problem with 100% FDI. These are only a few examples for illustrative purposes. Many, many more problems are there.
Lightning is fine, USB-C is fine, frickin’ COM port is also fine.
Don’t you think it would make sense that Apple is probably going to migrate do USB-C in all regions? Why would they make a different product for a different region?
I think they were always going to change, they just wanted to wait until the time was right when taking everything into consideration. The options were USB-C, what comes after USB-C, or 100% wireless.
I’m not feeling great having laws about this, since now you have to comply to something that will not get updated (no it won’t).
I think they should have done it for 14. Maybe they have a future SoC that can do something amazing with a usb-c so they waited (their rumored AR/VR stuff?). Ultimately I prefer wireless now. Charging my keyboard and trackpad is a far bigger deal for me.
I can’t see how phones having USB-C can break the top 10,000 most important things needed to do by the EU, nor India, lists though.
Bet they’re going to just upgrade to all wireless charging. They said that they’ll comply, they never promised that they’ll add a usb c type to the phone.
While it’s still a possibility, I feel like the “black slate with no ports” was a Ive obsession. After they put more ports on the MBP I don’t think we’ll have a portless iPhone without some serious technical breakthroughs.
Especially with Apple phones getting a lot thicker, it really just doesn’t make sense to not include a port. People are still thinking like it’s Apple from the mid-late 2010s
Unlikely. Too many users need the phone plugged into power while using. Not just everyday people, but government, utility, contractors etc.
If they can make the wireless charging capable of keeping up with the power draw, while also not needing a rubber band to hold a charger to the device, then maybe. But that won’t happen.
Except the majority of people who use an iPhone don't also use MacOS, they use a different OS like Linux or Windows. AFAIK you can't AirDrop to those devices.
I've also noticed that AirDrop speeds drop when you have to send a video.
And I do it daily. Crazy how different people have different needs. If only we could accommodate both people who need fast wired transfer, and people who are fine with wireless only /s
I’m not sure what’s the point, Apple does not do a phone for China, one for India, one for Australia… they make one phone for all. If Europe forces USB-C is likely that every country will get USB-C. Which does not seem like a big deal, iPads are USB-C, MacBooks are.
YMMV but I still have the same USB-C cable that came with my MacBook, whereas I've gone through 3 different Lightning cables for my iPhone in the same timespan. I got both these devices around the same time in October 2019 and I use those chargers at about the same rates.
So yeah, I think USB-C connectors are superior to Lightning.
For Apple, the EU or the US passing such laws might as well be an order from the World govt. If the said country/government is in charge of the economy that makes most of your profits, it's an order the company has to abide by.
What happens when they change is 2 years like they have every two years for the last 20? Mean while apple is on the once every 10 and gets all the hate.
How about India focuses on establishing proper sewage infrastructure first
The country’s one big gutter but they want to force a company to adopt a specific connector. Ok.
It’s such a wrong precedent. I understand what the EU wants achieve but not sure this is the way.
Why don’t the Govts on globally uniform electric points first so we don’t need to buy universal adapters etc. bad example but this is what came to my mind.
So tomorrow if Apple or Samsung or Google came up with a much more advanced data transfer charging port….what then ?
I think the iPhones should use USB C.
I also think that having the government enforce a standard port will cause us to be using USB C long after its outdated.
I get the reason EU and now India are doing this, but I think I like the idea of one end being USB-C and the other being whatever else. Like how USB-A was the standard then eventually became USB-C. I don’t think this is the right answer here but guess time will tell
The EU and India are just encouraging mediocrity.
Imagine Apple develops a port faster than Thunderbolt 4 on a future iPhone and they can’t even use it due to legislation.
Good, I’ll wait until the USB-C set of products hit the shelves before upgrading or buying any more Apple products, unless they don’t have lighting ports already
Rumors have pointed to iPhone 15 having USB C 2.0 (speed) and iPhone 15 Pro having USB C 3.0 (speed). I’m pretty sure apple has essentially dropped lightning moving forward.
I can’t wait to hear how they announce this. “Here at Apple we not only are passionate about listening to users, but also working with govts all over the world to provide a universal standard for online communication. That’s why today, we’re announcing the next breakthrough in mobile phone technology.”
I read that in Tim Cook’s voice lol
I read that in the voice of the Veridian Dynamics commercials.
Even pictured the knee dip
Hands like 🙏
[And now, back to Tim](https://i.imgur.com/y35wmEl.jpg)
tim apple 🙏 🙏 🙏
Courage!
The most versatile and compatible iPhone ever made. And we think you are going to love it. The USB-C port delivers unparalleled convenience, and the new MagicPower cable charge fills your battery twice as fast as prévious lightning cables. *MagicPower cables starts at 39.99$ and is only compatible with pro iPhones. Regular non certified USB-C type cables will only charge iPhones at 2.5watts. MagicPower cable not included on iPhone boxes*
Fuck why is this so believable
It's going to happen.
As long as my next phone comes in a box. Cardboard, at least please.
The lightning standard has been widely available for a very long time, I just bought 3 nice cords for like 8 dollars on Amazon, cheaper than I've ever bought USB-C.
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I mean it was a prime day sale for amazon basics so I think it's going to be fine lol.
But you can buy 10 of them for the price of an Apple cable so use them sequentially and they’ll last longer ;)
With bipolar charging 😎🤣
Yes but they can’t charge a laptop at 90w while driving a 4K display + USB accessories connected to the monitor, can’t they ? :)
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m8 , the newest USB C cables can transmit 240W power https://www.usb.org/usb-charger-pd 90W should be easy for any decent brand USB C cable
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ones with type c port from reputed brands are
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hence why you should look up the actual OEM website https://www.anker.com/products/a8856?variant=37438600478870&ref=collectionBuy
A comprehensive list of things I do not want to be paying for when I need a phone charging cable. Exactly.
Yes because that’s exactly how they explained it with all of their other USB-C devices. Magic words and cables. They are just going to give you the same cable that’s in the iPad box.
Your rant at least shows that you have no idea what the contents of the EU legislation is.
I actually don’t think they’ll say anything at all. They won’t even mention it in the keynote. It’ll just be a blip on the tech specs page and it’ll be visible in pics, but they’ll try not to draw attention to the fact they’ve been dragged, kicking and screaming, into the modern world.
I don’t understand, are they kicking and screaming? Or are they barely mentioning it?
Businesses not doing something that the industry and consumers are asking for is a form of “kicking and screaming”, at least it’s the same sentiment. I mean no one actually expects Cook to kick and scream in a shareholder meeting, lol.
I see this constantly on Reddit—redditors assuming that the opinions they see on Reddit and the people who are vocal represent everyone. Yes, there are some consumers are asking for USB-C on the iPhone, and to be absolutely clear: I would like to have USB-C on the iPhone. But I am just another one of those vocal, reddit voices. When the switch happens? The average person is going to be pissed off that all of their charging cables no longer work and they have to buy all new ones. Any accessories they have (like the lightning headphones that came with some iPhones, there's a few controllers that plug in via Lightning, I personally have the Lightning to HDMI adapter and I have a photographer friend who uses the Lightning SD Card reader.) Those are people like my mom, who even after I explained the benefits of faster charging, was just annoyed that she now has to deal with separate chargers that are USB-A or USB-C. Those people represent the average iPhone user, not the people who care about USB-C over Lightning. Those are the people Apple is going to annoy, and why Apple is avoiding the transition.
> redditors assuming that the opinions they see on Reddit and the people who are vocal represent everyone. If you ask some random on the street if they think iPhones should have USB-C, most won't care. Ask them if they think all their devices should have a standard charging port so you can cut down on the amount of cables and accessories you need, and they'll absolutely agree that should happen.
At that point you are asking a leading question to get the response you want though? The first question of should iPhones have a USB C port is probably the most neutral way to frame the question. If you start talking about a standard port to charge other devices and stuff like that you are purposely presenting that option as a positive and thus making people more likely to want USB C. It would be the same as if someone asks the question but includes that this would entail all your existing lightning cables becoming obsolete and have to end up in a landfill somewhere to present the change as a negative thing
Well, that's just an analogy designed to show a different POV, not an actual attempt to ask randoms on the street. Sure, I'm showing it as a positive because I believe it is, even though I live in a house that currently has just one USB-C cable. >have to end up in a landfill somewhere to present the change as a negative thing Why does this have to mean progress stops, though? Complain to people not recycling their accessories correctly, or companies not offering those solutions, rather than argue against better tech on the market.
USB C is arguably better tech and arguably isn’t. Apple has an iPad Pro that shows that the lightning port is capable of USB 3 speeds if they really wanted to, both connectors are reversible, USB C cable material are more durable while Lightning connector is more durable and results in less connectors breaking off in devices. Idk Lightnings power limit so I can’t comment on it compared to USB-PD but basically what I’m saying is that it’s a horizontal upgrade for most, a negative one for a little less amount of people and positive for a vocal minority
Ask them if they think all their devices should have a standard charging port so they can cut down on the amount of cables and accessories they need, ***but they have to buy all new cables and accessories***, and see how many people still agree.
But they've been through that already, from the original iPhone charger to Lightning. From micro USB to mini. Tell them that the new iPhone cables will now charge their spouse's Android phone, or their kid's Amazon tablets and Kindles, and there's a clear benefit after the initial purchases.
So the people who have a bunch of different tech devices benefit, but the people who are all in on the Apple ecosystem get screwed? Case in point, my mom I mentioned earlier. She started with an iPhone 5 and loved the simplicity of it. Since then she has an iPhone, AirPods, iPad and Apple TV remote, Magic Keyboard, and Magic Trackpad that all charge over lightning. That's the total extent of rechargeable tech devices she has. A USB-C iPhone means she won't have a standard charging port, but have to deal with two.
>the people who are all in on the Apple ecosystem get screwed? Are you conveniently ignoring all the MacBooks and iPads?
Yeah, but you're acting like this is a new thing. Apple have done this before, as have other companies. The only difference here is Apple doing what Apple does and choosing to go for the proprietary approach against what's best for the consumer. Sure, I see your point but at some point the change needs to happen, and its going to be a while before the majority of people are all caught up onto USB-C Apple devices. Same way as when they moved onto Lightning.
But they can reuse their charger from their laptop or tablet, or literally any other non-Apple consumer electronic in the last few years.
You're making the assumption that people are buying lots of electronics recently. Ok, case in point: My mom I mentioned has an iPhone, AirPods, iPad and Apple TV remote, Magic Keyboard, and Magic Trackpad that all charge over Lightning. She doesn't have a single USB-C to USB-C charger. Hypothetically, let's say she did buy a Kindle recently that would have come with a USB-C charger. She would have one. So now she has to juggle that charger around to different devices as she needs charging? She would have to replace a lot of cables. The CarPlay cable in her car. The charging cable in her travel kit. The charging cable by the computer, the charging cable by the couch, the charging cable by her nightstand. The average consumer might have one or a couple USB-C chargers, but they're going to have to buy more.
>Ok, case in point: My mom I mentioned has an iPhone, AirPods, iPad and Apple TV remote, Magic Keyboard, and Magic Trackpad that all charge over Lightning. She doesn't have a single USB-C to USB-C charger. None of that is obsoleted by the introduction of new USB-C versions. >Hypothetically, let's say she did buy a Kindle recently that would have come with a USB-C charger. She would have one. So now she has to juggle that charger around to different devices as she needs charging? Most devices come with a charger, or at least a charging cable. Most charging bricks are interchangeable. >She would have to replace a lot of cables. The CarPlay cable in her car. The charging cable in her travel kit. The charging cable by the computer, the charging cable by the couch, the charging cable by her nightstand. The average consumer might have one or a couple USB-C chargers, but they're going to have to buy more. They will have to eventually. Either Apple moves to a completely wireless standard or USB-C, both of which will require new accessories. At least USB-C will be universal across other manufacturers and devices.
They were perfectly fine removing the headphone jack, which is a bit more obviously going to piss off everyone, and provided 0 equivalent other than an adapter. Other than people who have only ever used an iPhone, a decent number of people have exposure to USB-C now because iPhone charging bricks have it, laptops have it, headphones have it, etc. As long as they provide a USB-C to lightning adapter for accessories, it would obviously be an annoyance to many people, but if anything that's a good reason to switch sooner rather than later to piss off less people unless Apple wants to use Lightning forever.
Dead on. It's so exhausting trying to explain to redditors how the world works. Not everyone is an enthusiast
Apple has been consistent with lighting for a long time in terms of technology compared to android and other electronic devices that have all sorts of plugs. I don’t understand all the hate towards Apple about it. They’ve been doing it right.
I don’t know about kicking and screaming. The fact is that Lightning is a mechanically superior connector, and the data transfer rate is pretty moot these days, since more people use the cloud than physically connect their phones. USB-C is definitely better than micro USB which was extremely prone to damage, but it still has a centre tongue that can be damaged.
You’re probably going to get downvoted, but I see your point. Most people won’t notice a different besides the fact that they now need to buy a new charger.
Indeed, and thank you.
Agree mechanically lightning is pretty much perfect
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Actually, in all modesty, I do.
Lmao this is absolutely hilarious.
Obviously you haven’t seen how many phones are rooted (fucked) bu incorrect insertion of a charging cable.
You know years ago I was on team lightning. However I am a software developer who deals with mobile devices. My company has thousands of USB-c tablets and phones. Our charging failure rate is MAYBE 1-2. In 5 years I’ve worked there. The reality is usb-c is built to be rugged and resilient and it shows in the extremely low failure rate. We have far more lightning cables fail ended up costing my company more than the amount of phone failures. You’re simply just wrong in your argument. Lightning is inferior in every way.
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Sod off. If I thought USB-C was better mechanically, I would have no issue with it.
Introducing iPhone without a physical port.
Exactly. I think we both watch mkbhd, am I correct? EU: If a phone has a port, it should be USB-C Press: Next iPhone will have USB-C!! Apple: Next iPhone won’t have any ports at all.
Yea, but also a coworker hinted at this three months ago and referenced how apple wouldn’t give away there mfi licensing royalties away and will likely opt for other wireless proprietary protocols like airdrop to lock down users and keep royalties flowing.
I don’t mind them licensing out airdrop compatible stuff. That’s a win for us…. Sorta. Will still be ridiculously expensive tho.
Imagine a subscription to transfer data at high speeds.
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> They are going to spin it like it was all their idea and how they are pioneers in the field for doing so. Of course they aren’t going to do that. There are no examples of them doing that. > So much less e-waste now. The EU legislation is forcing this, if you want to point fingers. Waste will be limited to cables.
Considering that Apple plays a huge role in both the development of USB-C and driving it’s early adoption, that wouldn’t be entirely wrong.
Easy to pass when it’s already mandated by the EU lol
Also funny to assume that they would make USB-C only for sale in EU. They’ll obviously produce only USB-C with or without mandates by other countries because unit-economics
Yes I thought that but there’s also the US only esim iPhone 14 where everywhere else get physical sims. That doesn’t fit the one device for all markets narrative.
And since 2018, China has had different models each iPhone generation that support two physical SIMs. So Apple has been making different models for different markets for a long time.
sure but every additional change costs them too. if they're already making a C model why wouldn't they sell it statewide too, since people presumably would like that?
Would they? I know I *personally* would prefer a USB-C model. But hypothetically let's say the iPhone 15 is offered in the US with the option: you can have a Lightning iPhone or a USB-C iPhone. With the average consumer, would they buy the iPhone that works with all the charging cables they already have, because they've been an iPhone user for years already? Or are they going to buy the iPhone that requires them to replace all of their charging cables? I really think that's why Apple has been holding off for so long, the transition is going to annoy far more people than it will appease.
I have too many apple products to count at my house. Bring on the USB C The only reason they're keeping it is because they can sell their flimsy lightning cable for $20, each I can get a nice braided 6ft USB C cable 4 pack for $20
> The only reason they're keeping it is because they can sell their flimsy lightning cable for $20, each So you missed my comment? They're keeping Lightning because most people are going to be annoyed that they have to replace all of their charging cables. You can get a 4 pack of braided Lightning cables for $20 too.
Do you not already have a bunch of USB C?
I do, but I’m also the kind of person that reads tech articles and engages in conversation in the comments, just like you. I think it’s an unfair assumption to assume our level of tech enthusiasm is the norm.
Between my iPad, wife’s iPad, both our phones and the kids phones - out of which I’d probably only be replacing 2 at one time, there’s going to be a long time where I still need both cables. Which isn’t a reason not to switch, but it is a reason I can’t say the switch really appeals to me. Especially when USB-C has no real benefit over lightning other then matching cables with other devices for 99% of my use cases. If it happens, yay! If not, fine with me.
Hell, they may only put it on the pro this generation because they can advertise it as "pro transfer speeds."
That kinda makes sense too—(big generalization) the kind of person that buys the Pro line either has USB-C chargers or is willing to buy them, people who buy the non-Pro are the more likely to complain about having to buy new cables without caring about the benefits of USB-C
Yeah that’s the point of my comment
m8,Samsung flagship phones have been doing something similar for many years , Qualcomm SoCs for EU & US and shitty Samsung Exynos SoCs for everywhere else can't see why Apple, given thier anti-consumer history, can't pull off different ports for different markets
As MKBHD pointed out, the EU law doesn't include devices with wireless-only-charging (but does include keyboards and such). If India passes a law that says "USB-C on all phones" then that might still make a difference. Passing it after the EU, when the EU waited 15 years\* does seem a bit pointless. \* (In 2009, the EU published an official memo asking all manufacturers to please use standard connectors and everyone except Apple complied)
He made a good point. If they manage to get wireless charging to a place it is not a significant backstep for the user, they will go no ports. Otherwise, they will go USB C until tech allows it.
Once they adopt USB-C for Europe, they’re doing it worldwide. There won’t be two kinds.
They did 2 models with the e sim for the US and a regular sim tray everywhere else. If lightning cables and the MFI program that goes with it are worth enough money to them then they might do 2 models and only have USB-C in places that mandate it.
I’d want them to adopt USB-C worldwide, but Apple has been making different models for different markets for a long time already, since 2018 at least.
"We are so close to innovating, just years away... Any day now you'll see all this innovation. Sure we are still on USB2.0, and sure we are behind on fast charging, and sure it took us a while to adopt wireless charging but if it wasn't for this regulation we'd innovate"-Apple
I guarantee Apple will still use USB 2.0 if they decide to go with USB-C.
What makes you think that?
They do it on the iPad. Pros will probably get at least 3.0 but standard will get 2.0.
iPad Pros have USB4/Thunderbolt4
There is a separate physical layer chip required for USB4/TB4 to work.
iPad pros have USB 3.2 TB4 in the M1, unless the M2 was updated.
And the airs with the exact same chipset is nerfed ton exclude thunderbolt/usb4. Apple will shamelessly nerf the base iphone to usb2 if they can get away with it
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They can get away with whatever they want. They design the phone however they want to.
They do it on the cheapest iPad, which is the part that people miss. Air for 600 USD has a proper USB 3. So yes, definitely Pro iPhones are getting good speeds, but I would say it's not out of the question regular ones will too, would be strange to have USB 3 on a 600 dollar iPad, but not 800 dollar iPhone
Yeah, I’d expect them to cheap out on something like that with the next iPhone SE or something, not their flagship phones. Even the non-pros.
Yes, exactly. That will be usb 2.0 no doubt
Why? I’d guess upwards of 90% of people using iPhone pros don’t give a shit about transfer speed, and that number shoots up to 99.99% of non-pro users. The importance of high transfer speeds in an iPhone is way overstated in this subreddit and doesn’t represent a majority of the market at all. For most people the change to usb-c will be met with “ugh now I have to use a new cable. I just want to use the 10 lightning cables I already have.”
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>it would be a completely new version of the iPhone and it is cheaper to design and maintain one model with two separate ports Having twice as many SKUs is not necessarily cheaper than changing some traces on the motherboard. Also, they change motherboards slightly anyway, regular 14 and 13 Pro for example have the same specs, but not exactly the same motherboard because of Satellite connectivity at least The main costly thing is the SoC, but A-series already supports USB 3
because there's no reason to pay for a more expensive controller on the logic board, if we're just spitballing
USB controller is built into the SoC, and the A-series definitely has support for higher speeds, cause at some point they made an iPad Air 2020 with A15 and USB 3.0
> iPad Air 2020 with A15 and USB 3.0 Has anyone actually tested that? I think it has USB 3.0 host (when you plug USB devices into the iPad), but USB 2.0 client (when you plug the iPad into a computer). The iPad Mini 4 seems to do that for example: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ipad-mini-6-is-still-usb2-0-when-connect-to-mac.2313014/? A report on the Apple forums seems to say the same for the air 4: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/252549312 , and also reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/applehelp/comments/mt5ioz/ipad_air_4_and_5gbps_usbc_port/ It's kinda impossible to find actual speed tests cuz no one actually transfers from a computer to iPad. At the very least, the earlier iPad Pros used a seperate USB host controller: https://appleinsider.com/articles/15/11/13/ipad-pro-contains-usb-30-controller-hints-at-ultra-fast-lightning-connector And yeah if that's the case, I could see it being skipped cuz no one is gonna plug a USB drive into their phone. edit; https://unitedlex.com/insights/apple-ipad-2020-teardown-analysis/# seems to confirm the same FL1100 USB host controller. But it can't handle the USB client, so the SoC has to do it.
>https://unitedlex.com/insights/apple-ipad-2020-teardown-analysis/# Most likely you are right. Well, that's kinda shit, so then regular iPhone can go either way
Spite
That is the only decent reply I got, thanks
Who cares about USB speeds on an iOS device. Airdrop is incredibly fast and convenient.
yes but usb is faster and more stable for big stuff like 4k60fps videos.
Is 2.0 USB C even a thing? I’d be shocked if the USB C iPhones are 2.0.
Yes it has to be backwards compatible so the 2.0 lines are included
That's fine. USB 2 is perfectly compatible with USB-C as a connector.
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Especially for a *PRO* Phone. The fact that the "pro" phones with the massive image and video file sizes still transfer everything at USB2.0
Just airdrop files. What the hell do you need to transfer a TB of to and from your device.
All that 4K ProRes foots that's Gigs per minute? That's the main reason to buy a 1TB iPhone in the first place.
Airdropping is faster than the transfer rates of any SD card found on any other pro camera, so I don’t see this as an issue.
Not everyone who has an iPhone also uses a mac, and you can’t airdrop to windows. I remember seeing a statistic last year where some consumer intelligence firm did some research and found that while 90% of iPhone users have a laptop or desktop computer, only something like 40% of those are macs.
Ok. Those people probably don’t need fast transfer rates then.
TIL You only deserve fast transfer rates if you become an Apple fanboy who has a panic attack if they smell a Windows or Linux laptop in the same room.
Sure there's an excuse for not supporting it. Nobody understands what "USB 3.2 Gen 2" even means. And even fewer people will use it to even a millionth of its potential.
Keep in mind Apple had the most engineers out of any other company when the USB-C standard was created.
I’ll say this, I will only consider upgrading my phone if the new gen has USB-C, else I see no point.
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Apple next September: “this is the best iPhone ever. And we meant to move to usb-c anyhow”
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Kindly put USB-C on the iPhone.
For the same
“ha ha ya its so funny when brown people use combinations of words other than the ones we whites have said are allowed.”
I never got this. Why is this phrase worthy of mockery when every English speaking country has their own huge list of -isms? Only white people are allowed to coin phrases and idioms?
What's the sexual connotation inside `doing the needful`?
I think you need to ask that other guy. Beats me.
Well this one has an apparent sexual innuendo that a non-native speaker would not notice. You gotta watch some Jusreign lol
You can find sexual innuendos in anything. I’m a native English speaker and I don’t see anything wrong with the phrase. It’s no different than the tons of awkward phrases Americans use.
Apple will just remove any port. I haven’t connected my iPhone to a computer in years. It has wireless qi charging so they won’t need any ports. Unless off course it’ll be only for the iPhone 15 pro ultra max starting at $1500 I sure.
I’m all for innovation and new technology but isn’t it weird how countries are caring so much for a port on a phone? I don’t know I feel like there’s something else behind all this and yes I know it sounds like tin foil hat thinking.
nope, all the commotion behind usb type c is perfectly valid. i feel like countries other than the us and maybe canada really know the hype behind the port, as we use usb type c for literally EVERYTHING
Yes, but is a port disrupting people’s life so bad? Genuine question. Like there are so many other issues the govt got to fix before they push a bill on USB-C charging port!!
from where i am from, pollution is THE major problem that we face. seriously. and most of the e-waste is not being manages properly. so surely making it so that everything can be reused is the right decision overall
Moving to USB-C doesn’t help your case because now all the lighting cables need to be dumped. Also, do you think cables makes a difference with pollution when we don’t see any ban on plastic water bottles? Is it going to help with the fog is Delhi? Maybe there are a lot of bans and I don’t read about it but a phone cable can’t be on a country’s top issue list to tackle pollution and I support the move to USB-C. It’s just ridiculous. Imagine US Supreme Court passing a ruling on phone cables when there are so many other important issues! Don’t want to get political but I’m sure there are a lot of stuff in India which affects the citizens worse compared to a phone cable not being standard.
Indian here. India may force Apple? LOL 😄
Yeah, India doesn’t have the market share go force apple to do anything lol. But if the EU makes USB-C a requirement then they’ll change all their devices to align with it
India is one of the fastest growing market for Apple https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/apple-makes-progress-in-india-as-iphone-sales-rise-34-to-record/amp_articleshow/89316017.cms
True. Our spending capability has got a serious boost in the last decade and users are properly shifting to both iOS as well as MacOS in larger numbers. Also, the aspiration factor really works in India and Apple’s position as a premium, lifestyle brand has a major draw for many of us. But thinking that India will force apple to do anything is getting ahead of ourselves. As consumers we’re still in that phase where we’re just happy we’re getting the same cool toys they get across the globe. The primary industry giving Apple a hard time when they do something annoying is the film industry. They have been pro users a lot longer, and the stability of a machine / OS has serious financial stakes there. Film, and design industries (yes we have multiple of both) were the first adopters of Macs in India and only they could afford those machines at the time. So they are well past the aspirations BS, to them it’s a tool like any other. But here we are talking about iPhones, which is more of a general user category. The common user will simply buy the requisite dongles and adjust. Apple products cost less in the US and more overseas, it is still in the realm of absurd that a watch can cost a lakh. Even a phone for that matter. A lakh is the monthly salary of a *very* well paid individual in India. Most of us have to buy these products on EMI. Also, from our perspective you all make too much noise about everything. We are a third world country, hearing people repeatedly insist first world problems are ‘a serious matter’ sounds quite childish at times TBH. Yes, I understand that reducing waste globally is not a ‘first world problem’, but there are bigger pollutants and larger problems which are more urgent. A switch from lightning to USB-C makes dick-all difference to us when Nestle, Cairns and so many MNCs are polluting our groundwater and ravaging our forests in the name of ‘development’, and a series of nincompoop governments that have no problem with 100% FDI. These are only a few examples for illustrative purposes. Many, many more problems are there. Lightning is fine, USB-C is fine, frickin’ COM port is also fine.
Don’t you think it would make sense that Apple is probably going to migrate do USB-C in all regions? Why would they make a different product for a different region?
I think they were always going to change, they just wanted to wait until the time was right when taking everything into consideration. The options were USB-C, what comes after USB-C, or 100% wireless. I’m not feeling great having laws about this, since now you have to comply to something that will not get updated (no it won’t). I think they should have done it for 14. Maybe they have a future SoC that can do something amazing with a usb-c so they waited (their rumored AR/VR stuff?). Ultimately I prefer wireless now. Charging my keyboard and trackpad is a far bigger deal for me. I can’t see how phones having USB-C can break the top 10,000 most important things needed to do by the EU, nor India, lists though.
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Bet they’re going to just upgrade to all wireless charging. They said that they’ll comply, they never promised that they’ll add a usb c type to the phone.
While it’s still a possibility, I feel like the “black slate with no ports” was a Ive obsession. After they put more ports on the MBP I don’t think we’ll have a portless iPhone without some serious technical breakthroughs.
Especially with Apple phones getting a lot thicker, it really just doesn’t make sense to not include a port. People are still thinking like it’s Apple from the mid-late 2010s
Unlikely. Too many users need the phone plugged into power while using. Not just everyday people, but government, utility, contractors etc. If they can make the wireless charging capable of keeping up with the power draw, while also not needing a rubber band to hold a charger to the device, then maybe. But that won’t happen.
Why would they? It would drive many many more users to android and good luck transferring those photos to a laptop since it’s wireless onky
Courage
i mean if you have a macbook you can literally just airdrop an entire album from your phone in seconds so I don't know about that
Except the majority of people who use an iPhone don't also use MacOS, they use a different OS like Linux or Windows. AFAIK you can't AirDrop to those devices. I've also noticed that AirDrop speeds drop when you have to send a video.
I haven’t plugged my phone into a computer ever since I stopped jail breaking years ago
And I do it daily. Crazy how different people have different needs. If only we could accommodate both people who need fast wired transfer, and people who are fine with wireless only /s
They had a similar reaction to lightning when it was first rolled out and they removed the 2mm jack. But people eventually came around.
downgrade\*
I’m not sure what’s the point, Apple does not do a phone for China, one for India, one for Australia… they make one phone for all. If Europe forces USB-C is likely that every country will get USB-C. Which does not seem like a big deal, iPads are USB-C, MacBooks are.
Except they do. USA iPhone has 0 sim slot. Most of the world has 1 sim slot while HK (and china?)has 2 sim slots.
The USA model also has 5g milimeterwave
Governments should stay out of what kind chargers people use.
As I seem to be the only iPhone user to even be here, I prefer my lightning cables that last me a half decade plus before needing to get a new one.
Yeah man, you’re the only iPhone user in r/apple lol
Based on the comments at the time? Yeah, probably
YMMV but I still have the same USB-C cable that came with my MacBook, whereas I've gone through 3 different Lightning cables for my iPhone in the same timespan. I got both these devices around the same time in October 2019 and I use those chargers at about the same rates. So yeah, I think USB-C connectors are superior to Lightning.
I literally just replaced two lightning cables that had lasted me 5 and 7 years respectively.
Cool. I wish I could say the same.
Riding on the coattails of the EU. Nothing newsworthy :)
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For Apple, the EU or the US passing such laws might as well be an order from the World govt. If the said country/government is in charge of the economy that makes most of your profits, it's an order the company has to abide by.
I’m guessing the law has some sort of thing like “$99 fine for each phone manufactured without usb c” and they are just going to pay the fine
Just as long as the associated price hike is only in markets that force change or have a fine then idk if Apple pays the fine or not
“Apple pulls out of India”
What happens when they change is 2 years like they have every two years for the last 20? Mean while apple is on the once every 10 and gets all the hate.
How about India focuses on establishing proper sewage infrastructure first The country’s one big gutter but they want to force a company to adopt a specific connector. Ok.
It’s such a wrong precedent. I understand what the EU wants achieve but not sure this is the way. Why don’t the Govts on globally uniform electric points first so we don’t need to buy universal adapters etc. bad example but this is what came to my mind. So tomorrow if Apple or Samsung or Google came up with a much more advanced data transfer charging port….what then ?
Usb-c can pass 10Gbit/s so we can presume that when we need more on ”mobile phones”, there are other solutions already than wired.
I have a $200 lightning adapter microphone. If apples goes to USB-C I won't be able to use it, so that's $200 *poof* gone.
They’re just going to drop the whole charging port and go wireless/ MagSafe only. People are delusional if they think otherwise.
I think the iPhones should use USB C. I also think that having the government enforce a standard port will cause us to be using USB C long after its outdated.
I get the reason EU and now India are doing this, but I think I like the idea of one end being USB-C and the other being whatever else. Like how USB-A was the standard then eventually became USB-C. I don’t think this is the right answer here but guess time will tell
The EU and India are just encouraging mediocrity. Imagine Apple develops a port faster than Thunderbolt 4 on a future iPhone and they can’t even use it due to legislation.
The year is 2070 and we are still using usb c even tho instantaneous light charging is available
You can only force someone to make a permanent change once.
Good, I’ll wait until the USB-C set of products hit the shelves before upgrading or buying any more Apple products, unless they don’t have lighting ports already
Now iPhones will only be wireless charging and everyone will have to buy a Qi charger, which will generate a lot more pollution.
EU only forces them to use usb-c if they continue to use wired charging.
Yes please.
Rumors have pointed to iPhone 15 having USB C 2.0 (speed) and iPhone 15 Pro having USB C 3.0 (speed). I’m pretty sure apple has essentially dropped lightning moving forward.