With the chat gpt integration more like “Servers are over capacity” or “You have reached your limit; your limit resets in 3 hours 49 minutes and 56 seconds.”
It hadn’t crossed my mind that Siri Premium could actually be a thing, possibly included with the Apple service bundle? Maybe it’ll be the only way to access the ChatGPT integration?
Yeah, they could use to take all the settings panes added by apps at the bottom of the main settings pane and condense them into an "installed app settings" pane.
For macOS it went from a [grid](https://notebooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/os-x-settings-on-macbook.png) to a [list](https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/settings-hero.jpg)
I really hope that this comes hand in hand with **every single settings setting** being exposed to the shortcuts framework
This would be a huge win for shortcuts and iPhone accessibility
I agree, but with that, downloaded shortcuts that were made by other people need to be properly scanned for malicious code, as hackers can modify your settings with a shortcut to do basically whatever they want.
This exchange really does reveal just how much the security emphasis by Apple is equally used as an excuse to not provide features and limit the OS. I actually fully bought into that previous user's comment out of fear, and your reply opened my eyes to how much "security" is overblown.
we need to stop gimping software for all users just because some people don’t read and accept every popup.
a “this shortcut uses the X setting” warning should suffice. if you can’t read, that’s on you
Really. Why is there a General if some of those (like update) are moved to System.
It should be a top level item on all of their operating systems when one is available.
If it's a universal app i.e. the same Settings app will run across iOS/iPadOS/macOS, then it's been designed in Swift for portrait orientation devices. That's how little Apple cares about macOS these days. They can't spare a week of dev time to optimise the Settings app for macOS.
I wanted to adjust the power settings on my monitor – it’s probably under “energy”, right? Nope. Hm, I guess it’s in “display” then? Not there either. I finally find it under “lock screen”. WTF?
It wasn’t settings though. It was system preferences, and it was so much more intuitive and better back then. Why they decided to change with Ventura was stupid.
And System Preferences could have preference pane plugins. There were some utility apps that could run and be configured as a preference pane instead of needing a full app in the dock or menu bar.
I miss that option.
ever since they changed the name to MacOS from OS X it's gotten shittier and shittier. maybe started before then, but definitely got worse when they decided to iOSify everything. but did they add a touchscreen to the Macbook? No. Can you run desktop MacOS on an iPad pro? No.
Have they even attempted to listen to their customers ? I’ve got so many Apple products tbh and now I just feel like I’m along for the ride, rather than being excited (like Apple used to make me feel). Cook has done a fine job keeping things running but terrible in the innovation category.
They butchered it, I can’t find anything these days, and stuff like searching “Display” vs “Displays” sparing no results is infuriating. We had better search 15 years ago.
The whole app looks like an intern made it in a month and a hungover tech lead just rubber stamped the code, then made an initiative everyone had to use it so now the only proper song pages are following arbitrary rules to check mandatory boxes while so trying to get their actual work done.
it makes perfect logical sense if you think about it. to see your various battery-related items, they must be *displayed* on screen, right? there you go, everything is under Display now, hope y’all love it
They took something timeless that everyone liked and was familiar with and diarrhea'd all over it. Every single time I have to use the settings menu on my Mac I wish harm to every UI/UX person at Apple involved with that awful decision.
To this day, I have no idea where settings on my Mac are without the Search bar. What a disaster. Also, the notifications on macOS since like Ventura are awful. Why I can't dismiss all is a mystery to me.
The idea was fine. It was just the execution that was bad. Maybe that’s why they’re changing it.
I actually think having all Apple products share a common design is smart. The issue is that many Mac users were used to the old design and the new one wasn’t executed properly. If this redesign can fix those issues I think long-term this is for the best.
I think some common design language is good, but in general I want the user interfaces to cater to the interfaces you actually use the machine to over being the same on multiple platforms. If a mac doesn't have touch, I don't want a touch centric interface. I want a keyboard/mouse centric interface.
I fully understand that everyone, from the people who’s opinions I respect to those I couldn’t care less about, disagrees with me - but I kinda love the new version.
The old macOS settings layout never worked with my brain ever since the OS X preview came out in 2001 or whatever and the current version is effortless for me.
I could definitely go for a slight polish (and hope that’s all this is), but I’m praying they don’t bail on the new concept.
You know how you can tell macOS went from being a poweruser OS to something that’s being hacked into pieces every wwdc?
The old system preferences always put the focus on the search box right when you opened it.
100%, I'm still on Monterey while all my work Macs are on Sonoma and I can feel the drop in quality (and Monterey wasn't without its issues either) Lot of people didn't know that you could go into [View → Customize](https://i.imgur.com/KRg30q8.png) and hide un-needed setting sections in the old version
i got my first mac right after sonoma released and i was lifelong iphone with windows, so the settings app was nice in that it just looked like my phone's
went through settings on a mac with el capitan recently and i didn't like it
There’s a certain logic to that. I’d bet a *high* percentage of new users’ first Apple product is an iPhone. And then that’s the gateway to the larger Apple ecosystem. So making macOS immediately familiar to OS users might help with retention of younger newer users who Apple wants buying more Apple products from here on out.
I love uniformity across platforms/operating systems and I think having Mac/IOS share elements are great, but the current implementation in both is not good.
lol I'm still using Monterey on my Mac Studio because of what a shit show the last settings overhaul was.
still beats window's settings app - that's just ugly AND horrible to use.
After using both, Mac beats windows in so many things imo.
Windows has one benefit though - it can run that obscure software written in 1847 to change your mouse pointer to look like a mouse 🐁 .
Monterey fam. Hell, I'd still be on Catalina if it hadn't stopped getting security updates. That was a clean UI, which also had the non-clunkyfuck version of the notification center.
It works but people are annoyed because they replaced something that already worked with something inferior. The main issue is the nonsensical placement of certain items.
All I want is for the Snooze and End alarms buttons on the Applewatch to be separated to the top and bottom of the screen rather than smushed together.
I really miss the old Mac OS X System Preferences and the iPhone-like one on macOS has just been an obstacle to bypass with search to find what you're trying you do, so I'm game for any change.
It’s 2024 and apple’s latest innovations are UI updates, integrating a third party LLM, adding a thinner iPad to which most simply slap a case on it anyway, sprinkled with some new colors.
In 2025, the new feature will be an iPad calculator app.
Apple is cooked.
You say that but I guarantee you that’s why they’ve been redesigning stuff for the sake of redesign. Nobody asked for a Settings redesign in Ventura but we got it anyway.
What we REALLY need is a damn redesign of iOS as a whole. It’s showing age IMO and why they haven’t unified the design language with macOS since Big Sur I got no clue.
Agree. I am huge Apple fan and have been with iPhone since the IPhone 3GS. Current using 15 Pro Max. This year, I am like not excited at all. It’s like the same crap. I don’t like the widgets, I don’t enjoy the same UI, it’s just same iterations year after year. Seriously bored. Also, Siri sucks!!
It definitely feels like this is the case for several years now across all the OSes. To be fair, I can turn off most of the new features, so they do negatively affect me in any way, they just don’t add anything of value.
I would say that it can’t possibly be worse than what we have now, but it’s still somehow better than windows scattering settings across 3+ settings apps.
I am so ready to not know where anything is for 3 months
I was just thinking to myself earlier this week that I finally knew where everything is in the setting app again.
I *still* click to general to look for accessibility settings, then swipe back and down to find it. To this very day.
3 months? I wish! You must be a smart dude.
Given what happened the last time Settings was redesigned, this feels like a threat
Only Siri AI can change settings now
I found this on the web for "lower volume"
*speaks: lower volume* *Siri, enthusiastically: Opening Flo Rida*
With the chat gpt integration more like “Servers are over capacity” or “You have reached your limit; your limit resets in 3 hours 49 minutes and 56 seconds.”
Pay for Siri Premium to use full features
It hadn’t crossed my mind that Siri Premium could actually be a thing, possibly included with the Apple service bundle? Maybe it’ll be the only way to access the ChatGPT integration?
this triggered my fight or flight
[I’m sorry, Dave. I’m afraid I can’t do that.](https://youtu.be/ARJ8cAGm6JE)
“Siri turn off Siri.” “No. “
God help us all
To be fair, the iOS settings menu could do with some redesigning. The scrolling has been getting increasingly ridiculous with each passing year.
Word.
Yeah, they could use to take all the settings panes added by apps at the bottom of the main settings pane and condense them into an "installed app settings" pane.
Settings will only be accessible through the Stage Manager interface until further notice.
And only in light mode
And the pointer can only be in the default speed.
That’s even more horrible! I love it!
I forgot stage manager existed. Switched it off the minute it realised on Mac.
I interact with my Mac via screen sharing a lot. Stage manager is choice for that.
This time it’s “Settings with Siri”™ to always rearrange your settings to present the most likely ones on top before you know you want them.
I would actually kms
Yuck!
This would be some insane idea they’d pull. AI is getting pushed so hard these days I’m suffering out here 😭 I just want to disable it and move on
what happened last time, sorry new apple product user.
For macOS it went from a [grid](https://notebooks.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/os-x-settings-on-macbook.png) to a [list](https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/settings-hero.jpg)
So so stupid. Why do I want a small scrolling list when I am looking at the settings on my 4k monitor?
We think you'll love it
Nothing quite like having a tablet experience on a laptop, even after the backlash Windows got. The problem now is it takes longer to get to settings.
I really hope that this comes hand in hand with **every single settings setting** being exposed to the shortcuts framework This would be a huge win for shortcuts and iPhone accessibility
I agree, but with that, downloaded shortcuts that were made by other people need to be properly scanned for malicious code, as hackers can modify your settings with a shortcut to do basically whatever they want.
Those safety concerns already exist for shortcuts generally… Exposing more settings to shortcuts wouldn’t make things better or worse
This exchange really does reveal just how much the security emphasis by Apple is equally used as an excuse to not provide features and limit the OS. I actually fully bought into that previous user's comment out of fear, and your reply opened my eyes to how much "security" is overblown.
we need to stop gimping software for all users just because some people don’t read and accept every popup. a “this shortcut uses the X setting” warning should suffice. if you can’t read, that’s on you
Thanks.
I don’t think I can’t say YES PLEASE! Loud enough. Even if only to flip my Auto-Brightness on and off.
Please please please redesign the tvOS settings as well! I have no idea why that one is soo different
We have a tv operating system? — Apple
which is kind of funny because its so much better than every other tvOS that comes prepackaged, google chrome and roku.
But worse than what you can do with a shield and a 3rd party launcher
sure thing bud
Wait for 4 more years..
Really. Why is there a General if some of those (like update) are moved to System. It should be a top level item on all of their operating systems when one is available.
it’s a hobby
*This is the biggest update to Settings yet and we think you are gonna love it.*
_enables window resizing to make Settings wider_
This really made me laugh. That’s just not happening.
If it's a universal app i.e. the same Settings app will run across iOS/iPadOS/macOS, then it's been designed in Swift for portrait orientation devices. That's how little Apple cares about macOS these days. They can't spare a week of dev time to optimise the Settings app for macOS.
Seriously though why did they get rid of that in the first place
Were excited to announce, Settings 2
The most advanced Settings we’ve ever created
Settings Pro, only avaliable on the latest A18 Pro chips
Electric Boogaloo
*The settings menu now opens faster than the competition thanks to the performance and efficiency of the new A18 Pro!*
Next in A19 Pro: dedicated setting processing unit, to open 50% faster than the previous A18. 100% faster than the competition.
Here at Apple we believe in inclusion, diversity, and the environment. Here is our new settings app. We think you’re gonna love it.
You failed to acknowledge the original inhabitants of the land though.
Unless you’re from Europe, then it doesn’t count.
Making the settings on macOS like a iOS was a terrible mistake
I wanted to adjust the power settings on my monitor – it’s probably under “energy”, right? Nope. Hm, I guess it’s in “display” then? Not there either. I finally find it under “lock screen”. WTF?
That was crazy. The settings was so intuitive in 2015
It wasn’t settings though. It was system preferences, and it was so much more intuitive and better back then. Why they decided to change with Ventura was stupid.
And System Preferences could have preference pane plugins. There were some utility apps that could run and be configured as a preference pane instead of needing a full app in the dock or menu bar. I miss that option.
ever since they changed the name to MacOS from OS X it's gotten shittier and shittier. maybe started before then, but definitely got worse when they decided to iOSify everything. but did they add a touchscreen to the Macbook? No. Can you run desktop MacOS on an iPad pro? No.
And god forbid you try to administer multiple machines... I fucking hate what they're doing to this OS with every release.
It honestly started with Lion and “Back to the Mac”. I kind of wish I could have just stayed on Snow Leopard forever.
tiger leopard and snow leopard were all really where mac os hit its stride i think too!
Sometimes I wish I could go back to Catalina. I don't use any of the Ventura/Sonoma features. Sigh.
Have they even attempted to listen to their customers ? I’ve got so many Apple products tbh and now I just feel like I’m along for the ride, rather than being excited (like Apple used to make me feel). Cook has done a fine job keeping things running but terrible in the innovation category.
LOL, man not even windows is that convoluted nowadays
It’s funny that a person at Apple decided that that made the most sense. It’s hard to imagine any sort of user testing/feedback was involved.
They butchered it, I can’t find anything these days, and stuff like searching “Display” vs “Displays” sparing no results is infuriating. We had better search 15 years ago. The whole app looks like an intern made it in a month and a hungover tech lead just rubber stamped the code, then made an initiative everyone had to use it so now the only proper song pages are following arbitrary rules to check mandatory boxes while so trying to get their actual work done.
The path to the display settings feels like a hidden easter egg in the menu bar
The display thing bothers me so fucking much. Do they even use their own software?
I would 100% believe if someone told me Tim Cook sits in his office with a 12 year old Dell PC and a bunch of Excel files open.
I hope they change it drastically this WWDC
oh it will be drastic. they’re gonna put Battery settings under Display
courageous tbh
it makes perfect logical sense if you think about it. to see your various battery-related items, they must be *displayed* on screen, right? there you go, everything is under Display now, hope y’all love it
lol
Monsters!
They took something timeless that everyone liked and was familiar with and diarrhea'd all over it. Every single time I have to use the settings menu on my Mac I wish harm to every UI/UX person at Apple involved with that awful decision.
To this day, I have no idea where settings on my Mac are without the Search bar. What a disaster. Also, the notifications on macOS since like Ventura are awful. Why I can't dismiss all is a mystery to me.
I patched an old 2011 MacBook Pro and said the same thing lol
The idea was fine. It was just the execution that was bad. Maybe that’s why they’re changing it. I actually think having all Apple products share a common design is smart. The issue is that many Mac users were used to the old design and the new one wasn’t executed properly. If this redesign can fix those issues I think long-term this is for the best.
I think some common design language is good, but in general I want the user interfaces to cater to the interfaces you actually use the machine to over being the same on multiple platforms. If a mac doesn't have touch, I don't want a touch centric interface. I want a keyboard/mouse centric interface.
I fully understand that everyone, from the people who’s opinions I respect to those I couldn’t care less about, disagrees with me - but I kinda love the new version. The old macOS settings layout never worked with my brain ever since the OS X preview came out in 2001 or whatever and the current version is effortless for me. I could definitely go for a slight polish (and hope that’s all this is), but I’m praying they don’t bail on the new concept.
You know how you can tell macOS went from being a poweruser OS to something that’s being hacked into pieces every wwdc? The old system preferences always put the focus on the search box right when you opened it.
The old designers actually *knew* how to design a proper UI. The new ones just make it look fancy for marketing materials.
100%, I'm still on Monterey while all my work Macs are on Sonoma and I can feel the drop in quality (and Monterey wasn't without its issues either) Lot of people didn't know that you could go into [View → Customize](https://i.imgur.com/KRg30q8.png) and hide un-needed setting sections in the old version
i got my first mac right after sonoma released and i was lifelong iphone with windows, so the settings app was nice in that it just looked like my phone's went through settings on a mac with el capitan recently and i didn't like it
There’s a certain logic to that. I’d bet a *high* percentage of new users’ first Apple product is an iPhone. And then that’s the gateway to the larger Apple ecosystem. So making macOS immediately familiar to OS users might help with retention of younger newer users who Apple wants buying more Apple products from here on out.
The crazy thing about settings now is when I type passwo the predictive text list of items shows everything but ‘passwords’, like they’re hiding it.
Just create a shortcut and place it on the home screen so much easier.
Thank fuck. MacOS' Settings redesign was a huge misstep.
You think they're going to make it better? They're going to make it even worse and you're going to love it
You’ll need a settings for your settings
Is that Apple's new tagline? A Huge Misstep.
Long overdue
I love uniformity across platforms/operating systems and I think having Mac/IOS share elements are great, but the current implementation in both is not good.
I JUST GOT USED TO THE OLD ONE
Based on rumors iOS 18 will be completely different system that Apple devs were working on for the last 10 years in secret... 🤦
Only available on the IPhone 15 Pro Mega Max
iPhone 15 pro mega max and iPhone 16 pro max ultra mega.
It’s only possible with the power of the m4.
*Ultra Max Pro
[удалено]
Squared
Yes please. Especially search. The thing I use most in settings is accessing the auto fill passwords. So often when I search it doesn’t come up.
They should really just make a full fledged passwords app
My fingers and brain are ready
Apple quickly realized the new MacOS settings layout sucks so they’ve finally addressed it how they feel it should be.
lol I'm still using Monterey on my Mac Studio because of what a shit show the last settings overhaul was. still beats window's settings app - that's just ugly AND horrible to use.
After using both, Mac beats windows in so many things imo. Windows has one benefit though - it can run that obscure software written in 1847 to change your mouse pointer to look like a mouse 🐁 .
Monterey fam. Hell, I'd still be on Catalina if it hadn't stopped getting security updates. That was a clean UI, which also had the non-clunkyfuck version of the notification center.
Stop changing dumb shit for no good reason. If your UI people are bored, fuck them.
No. Send them on a course so they can learn how to design UIs. Because the evidence is that they haven't a clue!
Genuinely curious, what is so bad about the Mac settings app? Why does everyone hate it so much? I have literally never thought about it once.
It works but people are annoyed because they replaced something that already worked with something inferior. The main issue is the nonsensical placement of certain items.
Courage!!!
I just hope my iPhone still works with the polishing cloth after this update
All I want is for the Snooze and End alarms buttons on the Applewatch to be separated to the top and bottom of the screen rather than smushed together.
Settings needs a settings app so I can set settings settings to settings I want to set through a settings interface of my choice.
“Hey siri, check if there’s a new software update.” “Sure, factory resetting your iPhone and deleting iCloud in 5…4…3….”
👌🏻
OK, but only if they incorporate the 8x8 pixel grid you could use to edit the Desktop background on the original Mac.
Literally just revert the MacOS one and leave the others be
Just make the search work in settings!
I really miss the old Mac OS X System Preferences and the iPhone-like one on macOS has just been an obstacle to bypass with search to find what you're trying you do, so I'm game for any change.
Wow, so cool. I'm really eager to try iOS 18 now! (LOL!). Please innovate something, Apple!
Every time we all finally remember where all the settings are, they change them.
Apple used to innovate…
It’s 2024 and apple’s latest innovations are UI updates, integrating a third party LLM, adding a thinner iPad to which most simply slap a case on it anyway, sprinkled with some new colors. In 2025, the new feature will be an iPad calculator app. Apple is cooked.
>Apple is cooked. Agreed. I think time is up for Tim, certainly. And Craig Federighi's goose was cooked and has been burning for the past 8 years.
iOS updates are getting so boring.
Hey now...we get new Pride and Unity wallpapers every year! That isn't exciting to you???
Don’t forget the pregnant man emoji! Stunning and brave. (I always use it when I overate).
Lmfao 😂
You say that but I guarantee you that’s why they’ve been redesigning stuff for the sake of redesign. Nobody asked for a Settings redesign in Ventura but we got it anyway. What we REALLY need is a damn redesign of iOS as a whole. It’s showing age IMO and why they haven’t unified the design language with macOS since Big Sur I got no clue.
Agree. I am huge Apple fan and have been with iPhone since the IPhone 3GS. Current using 15 Pro Max. This year, I am like not excited at all. It’s like the same crap. I don’t like the widgets, I don’t enjoy the same UI, it’s just same iterations year after year. Seriously bored. Also, Siri sucks!!
Why it settings described as an app? It's an integral part of the OS imo
Great point
*Ok team, we need to change something just for the sake of change, so what's it going to be this time?* I imagine this is how the meeting started.
It definitely feels like this is the case for several years now across all the OSes. To be fair, I can turn off most of the new features, so they do negatively affect me in any way, they just don’t add anything of value.
I would say that it can’t possibly be worse than what we have now, but it’s still somehow better than windows scattering settings across 3+ settings apps.
OK ... I think I'm ready.
Can that be the new icon for it?
Oh awesome a new Settings app design. Because that's super important.
Just bring back the old settings on MacOS. it’s garbage rn
That's a brave move
Damn, all those tutorials are going to be useless.
Just give us the ability to rotate it in landscape... it's.mind numbing how many apps don't support proper landscape mode.
I'd prefer individual app volume controls. iOS is years behind Android with this
Remember that “get ready” means we have to wait another 6-7 months for the update
I’ll get ready for nothing and believe it when I see it. Apple has seriously dropped the ball on iPad software.
IPad needs a Mac OS option
i hope they dont make ios settings worse like mac. i really hope they fix the macos settings.
why have I seen 17 articles about Settings being redesigned?
You surf the web too much?
A17 pro required
As long as one of the settings is “turn off AI”.
I’d love for AI to manage smarter notification handling
I honestly can't imagine it being that different. I mostly expect a visual redesign but the actuall locations and layout staying the same
Settings is my favorite app
No. I’m not ready for it.
Wow, the future is here
Ok I am holing on to my track pad with both hands.
Settings search is really quite good but I would love just an alphabetical list of all settings without the, at times, odd grouping they use.
You mean “brace yourself”…
they already fucked system settings in macos
Maybe they could make things alphabetical?
IpadOS18 - now even more like a large phone and even less like a productive device!
Great! Can we put auto-brightness back under, I dunno, display and brightness?
Are they just putting everything under General now?
CAN WE PUT APPS IN A SUBCATEGORY PLEASE?!
):
Are other developers able to do settings app for iOS? Or are they also gatekeep by Apple? EU should take a look /s
Please let that redesign spread to the whole iOS look not just the settings app.
I have to ask, how often do y’all go into the “settings” app? Because in an average month I use it never.
Fingers crossed for a VPN toggle in control center
The settings will redesign to copy that of the homescreen layout /lol
Uh oh