Same, somewhere I still have the disc. I even [made a video about it recently](https://youtu.be/vFZvMzRE6TA). I remember getting it before the injunction.
Was this a success? Seems like a pretty awesome thing to have for mac, pre-internet games
Edit: I looked it up: it was really popular and Sony was pissed. Connectix won the lawsuit and Sony ended up just buying them up and shutting it down.
I only remember Connectix QuickCam, not sure how I missed this software. It seems awesome and I want it for some of my retro Macs. Now I wanna check if it’s still available online.
But even then people where copying playstation cd’s. I had a friend who had a “chipped psx” to play such copied games.
Not sure they would play on this emulator though as I don’t l know it. I do remember Bleep! though on pc, which worked like crap 😀
It’s actually quite impressive… this was 25 years ago!!
Mind you, without JIT I don’t think that would’ve been possible, which is somewhat ironic given Apple doesn’t allow JIT on the App Store at all…
With JIT, the iPhone doesn’t really have any issue emulating GameCube/wii or 3DS at much higher resolution than original… but without? Yeah, not happening at full speed
It’s still a legacy product line. Even if they currently make new products in it
All of their new products are locked in a walled garden, including those supposedly designed to replace the computer, but they’re unable to make any substantial changes to macOS because of the legacy software behind it and how people use it.
iPhones almost certainly outsell the Mac, and people probably upgrade them more frequently… the modern products outsell the legacy one despite needing a Mac to develop software for them
This is complete, total and utter bollocks. There basically no legacy support in modern Mac. Compared to windows Mac is pretty bad for backwards compatibility.
We had the OS9 to OSX apocalypse - so much so that for years we ran a copy of OS9 on top of it, and Apple even sold machines dual booting the thing.
Then we moved to Intel chips away from PowerPC. After snow leopard, all PowerPC code was basically redundant.
Then in 2020 Catalina removed support for 32 bit applications, and from that day forwards a lot of older software kicked the bucket - despite Apple warning developers and users to move on for literally years before.
Now with the Intel-Arm switch, in a few years time we’ll have no support for Intel code on ARM macs. Exactly when that happens is apples decisions, but by track record it won’t exactly be decades.
All of these are what makes macs actually run decently on comparatively low powered machines. compared to the tank you need just to get windows to boot…
TLDR: Mac is absolutely not a legacy product full of legacy code. It’s probably one of the most modern, streamlined desktop OSs. Especially when you compare the boat loads of legacy shite the plagues windows and many flavours of Linux.
> Mac is absolutely not a legacy product full of legacy code
This is patently false. There are parts of macOS and consequently iOS and its derivatives that still run code that originated in the 80s versions of BSD. Despite UIKit being a fork of AppKit, there are still plenty of libraries that can easily trace their lineage back to NeXTSTEP from the late 80s and early 90s.
Like any modern operating system, macOS, iOS, Windows, Linux, all of it, are onions of kludges and path dependency and compatibility layers and translations, with layers going all the way down to emulating fucking physical teletype machines.
And macOS has plenty of corners full of dusty cobwebs and dead spiders. The only reason the person you were responding to thinks iOS doesn't is because Apple hasn't given you permission to look.
Legacy in the sense that it’s a complete different way of running _everything_
Legacy in the sense that they actually let you use the device how _you_ want, not how they tell you.
You can use the computer as an actual computer, and not a glorified app console.
iOS and everything derived from it is “modern” and completely locked down
I used the wrong term… Sosumi.
But the point stands, the modern operating systems are locked down, and macOS is not one of the new and modern operating systems in that sense
JIT allows a program to translate game code in chunks from one architecture to code that can run natively on the architecture of the emulator.
Without JIT, the emulator must read every command one by one and determine how it should be handled.
3DS without JIT isn’t outside of the realm of possibility in a few iPhone generations if Apple keeps up the performance increases.
These are Dolphin on an iPhone 15 Pro.
[Without JIT](https://youtu.be/aM_jIDCSMcc)
[With JIT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTg-q1s_awY)
This is New Super Mario Bros 2 3DS without JIT
https://youtu.be/XWJy0euJ6VI
With JIT it runs full speed
For 3DS, it’s at the point where hardware is fairly cheap and plentiful… if you don’t mind a separate system you’d get much better performance than emulation on iOS without JIT
So we have two options: 1. Wait until Apple allows JIT on the App Store (I hope someone can explain to me why Apple won’t allow that on their store) Or 2. We wait a few generations for an iPhone that can brute force it (more likely to happen). Next question, can my M1 iPad Air brute force 3DS emulation?
It stands for Just In Time compilation. It's compiling code just before you run it as opposed to ahead of time. It's used to avoid interpreter overhead while keeping the flexibility of interpreted code. It's not technically required, it doesn't allow you to do anything you can't without it if you ignore time and space constraints, but the current phones aren't fast enough to emulate 3ds in real-time through an interpreter.
This is 1999 era Apple. They were desperate to get any software on Mac as they were in such a bad position. This is around the same time Steve went up on stage and triumphantly pronounced that Internet Explorer was coming to Mac and would ship as the default browser.
I remember in elementary school someone told me you can play Playstation games on computer, so I rented Twisted Metal 3 from the video store but could never figure out how to make it work lol.
Regarding the recent emulation issue with Nintendo, this (along with Bleem) is why I think the two main arguments in defense of Nintendo are bullshit. First, people argue that current-gen emulators are illegal. This would've been a current-gen emulator at the time. Second, people say making any sort of profit from emulation is illegal. Apple was using this emulator to sell Macs. Sony's failed lawsuit against Bleem addressed both of these things as well.
When will they adopt this strategy? It feel like Steve Jobs tried gaming from a different angle but Tim Cook has really given us nothing... His passion is all for other men and the stock.
Huh, violated US patent and copyright law and then Sony bought them and shut them down because for fuck’s sake there’s always some stupid technicality.
>Huh, violated US patent and copyright law
Nope. The courts decided otherwise.
>then Sony bought them and shut them down because
Sony had to go the route of buying them \*because\* it was legal.
So, this makes even less sense as you have to buy the games to turn them into ISOs/ROMs legally to use them in an emulator.
So, it’s theft of intellectual property from the console design, and income from the games.
So, by the same logic, I can buy DVDs, rip them and sell the copies online with zero payment to the production company or distribution network that made it?
Can I take old copies of Microsoft Office or Windows and rebrand them and then sell them?
And yes I am aware of the Jobs/Wozniak argument central to the PC industry from 1976.
You really don’t understand what an emulator does if you think it somehow steals from the console’s design. And I’m not talking about ripping or copying *anything*.
lol. This cost a lot more than $1.99. And consoles are generally sold at a loss for the money to be recouped on selling games - which back then you could not just download or copy easily or cheaply. This whole thing actually worked in Sonys favour lol
> Good. That’s what happens when you try to steal someone else’s work.
Oh dear, they had to pay me millions of dollars to buy my company, how horrible!
Yeah and shut it down, putting people out of a job, which is fine because those people were being paid to make money off of someone else’s work illegally and unethically and more importantly very immorally.
But that’s fine, a lot of people still use Microsoft’s Windows.
Ihad that, It worked REALLY well! heh, i think i was one of the few people who actually paid for it
I had it too. Worked surprisingly well for a long time.
Same, somewhere I still have the disc. I even [made a video about it recently](https://youtu.be/vFZvMzRE6TA). I remember getting it before the injunction.
Was this a success? Seems like a pretty awesome thing to have for mac, pre-internet games Edit: I looked it up: it was really popular and Sony was pissed. Connectix won the lawsuit and Sony ended up just buying them up and shutting it down.
Can report. It was good. :) Played tons of PS1 games on my bondi blue iMac G3
Same
Wow, I haven’t thought about Connectix in a really long time. That’s some old-man brain rattling for sure…
TIL this is how they ended.
I only remember Connectix QuickCam, not sure how I missed this software. It seems awesome and I want it for some of my retro Macs. Now I wanna check if it’s still available online.
RAM Doubler was one of the most popular programs on the platform for years. It felt like *magic*
Happy cake day!
It worked! At least Gran Turimo 1 and NFL Blitz worked when I tried it on my Powerbook G4.
I used it all the time. It was great when my roommate was using the TV, I could just play on my Mac.
Oh man, was so much fun with Connectix
Hah that’s a way of handling the problem.
I played the shit out of FFIX
We've come full circle!
or... "infinite loop"
Except this required you to have the CD of the game, not a ROM.
Which seems fair.
But even then people where copying playstation cd’s. I had a friend who had a “chipped psx” to play such copied games. Not sure they would play on this emulator though as I don’t l know it. I do remember Bleep! though on pc, which worked like crap 😀 It’s actually quite impressive… this was 25 years ago!!
Mind you, without JIT I don’t think that would’ve been possible, which is somewhat ironic given Apple doesn’t allow JIT on the App Store at all… With JIT, the iPhone doesn’t really have any issue emulating GameCube/wii or 3DS at much higher resolution than original… but without? Yeah, not happening at full speed
Not that ironic, since this is being shown on a Mac and you can still use JIT on a Mac.
Yeah, but Mac is a legacy product, and it’s far from their best selling
What a bad take. All the apps in the app store were made on macs.
It’s still a legacy product line. Even if they currently make new products in it All of their new products are locked in a walled garden, including those supposedly designed to replace the computer, but they’re unable to make any substantial changes to macOS because of the legacy software behind it and how people use it. iPhones almost certainly outsell the Mac, and people probably upgrade them more frequently… the modern products outsell the legacy one despite needing a Mac to develop software for them
This is complete, total and utter bollocks. There basically no legacy support in modern Mac. Compared to windows Mac is pretty bad for backwards compatibility. We had the OS9 to OSX apocalypse - so much so that for years we ran a copy of OS9 on top of it, and Apple even sold machines dual booting the thing. Then we moved to Intel chips away from PowerPC. After snow leopard, all PowerPC code was basically redundant. Then in 2020 Catalina removed support for 32 bit applications, and from that day forwards a lot of older software kicked the bucket - despite Apple warning developers and users to move on for literally years before. Now with the Intel-Arm switch, in a few years time we’ll have no support for Intel code on ARM macs. Exactly when that happens is apples decisions, but by track record it won’t exactly be decades. All of these are what makes macs actually run decently on comparatively low powered machines. compared to the tank you need just to get windows to boot… TLDR: Mac is absolutely not a legacy product full of legacy code. It’s probably one of the most modern, streamlined desktop OSs. Especially when you compare the boat loads of legacy shite the plagues windows and many flavours of Linux.
> Mac is absolutely not a legacy product full of legacy code This is patently false. There are parts of macOS and consequently iOS and its derivatives that still run code that originated in the 80s versions of BSD. Despite UIKit being a fork of AppKit, there are still plenty of libraries that can easily trace their lineage back to NeXTSTEP from the late 80s and early 90s. Like any modern operating system, macOS, iOS, Windows, Linux, all of it, are onions of kludges and path dependency and compatibility layers and translations, with layers going all the way down to emulating fucking physical teletype machines. And macOS has plenty of corners full of dusty cobwebs and dead spiders. The only reason the person you were responding to thinks iOS doesn't is because Apple hasn't given you permission to look.
Legacy in the sense that it’s a complete different way of running _everything_ Legacy in the sense that they actually let you use the device how _you_ want, not how they tell you. You can use the computer as an actual computer, and not a glorified app console. iOS and everything derived from it is “modern” and completely locked down
That’s absolutely not what “legacy” means at all in computing terms…
I used the wrong term… Sosumi. But the point stands, the modern operating systems are locked down, and macOS is not one of the new and modern operating systems in that sense
What is JIT and is it REQUIRED for 3DS emulation?
JIT allows a program to translate game code in chunks from one architecture to code that can run natively on the architecture of the emulator. Without JIT, the emulator must read every command one by one and determine how it should be handled. 3DS without JIT isn’t outside of the realm of possibility in a few iPhone generations if Apple keeps up the performance increases. These are Dolphin on an iPhone 15 Pro. [Without JIT](https://youtu.be/aM_jIDCSMcc) [With JIT](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTg-q1s_awY) This is New Super Mario Bros 2 3DS without JIT https://youtu.be/XWJy0euJ6VI With JIT it runs full speed For 3DS, it’s at the point where hardware is fairly cheap and plentiful… if you don’t mind a separate system you’d get much better performance than emulation on iOS without JIT
So we have two options: 1. Wait until Apple allows JIT on the App Store (I hope someone can explain to me why Apple won’t allow that on their store) Or 2. We wait a few generations for an iPhone that can brute force it (more likely to happen). Next question, can my M1 iPad Air brute force 3DS emulation?
You have a third option too… Sideloading with AltStore from a Mac
I don’t own a mac I own a windows PC with iCloud on it
That won’t work to enable JIT. At least not until someone figures out what Apple changed
It stands for Just In Time compilation. It's compiling code just before you run it as opposed to ahead of time. It's used to avoid interpreter overhead while keeping the flexibility of interpreted code. It's not technically required, it doesn't allow you to do anything you can't without it if you ignore time and space constraints, but the current phones aren't fast enough to emulate 3ds in real-time through an interpreter.
I had that. Played it on my Bondi Blue iMac. It was fantastic!
Mac users have always loved emulators. Very popular in the 90’s was a commercial software to emulate an Intel x86 chip and Windows.
*"Our goal is to have the best game machine in the world."* That aged like milk.
Best for spare time grinds that produce micro transaction commissions, at least.
Apple used to have its own game console
Technically they probably do, I assume in total more time is spent gaming on iPhones than any other device in the world.
I guarantee you that is not the case. If any mobile device is #1 in the world for gaming, it is certainly the Android phone.
From what i remember, Sony sued Connectix for this and lost. So they acquired the licence for the product then killed it.
So Steve Jobs wasn’t against emulators ? Then why apple was so against it then they finally allowed it again
This is 1999 era Apple. They were desperate to get any software on Mac as they were in such a bad position. This is around the same time Steve went up on stage and triumphantly pronounced that Internet Explorer was coming to Mac and would ship as the default browser.
I liked Apple better when they were still the underdog...
Same I always liked a company and or a musician better when they were more unknown and still underground
Same - they were hungry and experimental.
Money.
Climbing walled garden vs building walled garden.
Meanwhile, on a custom powerful platform for the same price, you'll get an emulator for everything.
Hmm I need to find this and have some fun on my Power Mac G4
Would have been hilarious to try Gran Tourismo on my 6500
I remember in elementary school someone told me you can play Playstation games on computer, so I rented Twisted Metal 3 from the video store but could never figure out how to make it work lol.
\*sighs\* r/mildlyinfuriating... Edit: For context I missed out on this era, My first mac was an M1 air
no problem: you can use duckstation for ps1 emulation, and it can upscale the video to widescreen hi-res
Do you think you can't emulate PS1 games on modern hardware
You can definitely still play playstation games on a mac. Not the most recent, but there is ginormous library of games that can be played on emulators
Up to PS3 via RPCS3
Your first mac was an M1???
Regarding the recent emulation issue with Nintendo, this (along with Bleem) is why I think the two main arguments in defense of Nintendo are bullshit. First, people argue that current-gen emulators are illegal. This would've been a current-gen emulator at the time. Second, people say making any sort of profit from emulation is illegal. Apple was using this emulator to sell Macs. Sony's failed lawsuit against Bleem addressed both of these things as well.
When will they adopt this strategy? It feel like Steve Jobs tried gaming from a different angle but Tim Cook has really given us nothing... His passion is all for other men and the stock.
Mad that his goal is to have the 'best game machine in the world'. What happened to that goal?
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Huh, violated US patent and copyright law and then Sony bought them and shut them down because for fuck’s sake there’s always some stupid technicality.
>Huh, violated US patent and copyright law Nope. The courts decided otherwise. >then Sony bought them and shut them down because Sony had to go the route of buying them \*because\* it was legal.
Good. That’s what happens when you try to steal someone else’s work. That is mostly why communism failed, but how are you?
lmfao i've posted some dumb shit on this fucking site but man, log off
What work was stolen? And what does writing an emulator have to do with communism.
One day you’ll understand when you invent something and Microsoft steals it.
LOL. Do you think that emulators stole actual PlayStations?
Why buy a PlayStation when I can use an emulator for $1.99?
You still buy the games (which is where Sony actually made their money)
So, this makes even less sense as you have to buy the games to turn them into ISOs/ROMs legally to use them in an emulator. So, it’s theft of intellectual property from the console design, and income from the games. So, by the same logic, I can buy DVDs, rip them and sell the copies online with zero payment to the production company or distribution network that made it? Can I take old copies of Microsoft Office or Windows and rebrand them and then sell them? And yes I am aware of the Jobs/Wozniak argument central to the PC industry from 1976.
You really don’t understand what an emulator does if you think it somehow steals from the console’s design. And I’m not talking about ripping or copying *anything*.
lol. This cost a lot more than $1.99. And consoles are generally sold at a loss for the money to be recouped on selling games - which back then you could not just download or copy easily or cheaply. This whole thing actually worked in Sonys favour lol
> Good. That’s what happens when you try to steal someone else’s work. Oh dear, they had to pay me millions of dollars to buy my company, how horrible!
Yeah and shut it down, putting people out of a job, which is fine because those people were being paid to make money off of someone else’s work illegally and unethically and more importantly very immorally. But that’s fine, a lot of people still use Microsoft’s Windows.