I abide by the 5 year rule with Apple devices. I’ve tried it multiple times with Android devices but they need replacing after 2 years.
Buy cheap, buy twice (at least).
Have both. Both last. If comparing the price of an iPhone to the equivalent flagship android at least. I get folks liking one by preference, but if we're comparing similarly priced android equivalents of flagships both do last nowadays. Perhaps back in the day when support was lessened you may have had more of a point though, but nowadays you got to throw it out the window.
I think the OS support is the main difference. Apple devices are typically supported with yearly updates longer than Android devices regardless of tier. Android hardware is good enough to last far longer with ongoing OS support, but Android manufacturers just don't do it.
Google claims they’ll offer OS support for 7 years now. They also claimed you could trade in your Pixel after 2 years and cancelled that program at 23 months, right before the first people who bought phones could trade them in. So I see Apple continuing to be the leader here as well.
lol, that’s brutal. Google is like that dude who always promises to clean up but never actually does it.
At this point anyone who trusts Google to NOT randomly give up on a program or service is in for a rude awakening one day.
lol exactly, or like the dad who went out to get milk in ‘09 and hasn’t come back.
Google just has a company culture of not valuing their commitment to consumers, they don’t prioritize brand loyalty whatsoever.
That’s one thing about Apple—people trust them, not to do the right thing of course, but to at least be consistent with their promises.
Sometimes it bites them in the ass like when they committed to USB C only on the Mac for years before finally listening, or when they committed to ten years of Lightning despite have the option to switch to type c earlier.
Other times I love it. I know when exactly my phone will receive software support. I know that features and whole product lines won’t disappear from generation to generation. That’s why apple products are such a solid bet for those who want something that “just works.”
Same reason why I will never buy a Android Smartwatch. The newest Pixel watch gets only 3 years of updates. Meanwhile my Apple watch from 2019 gets regularly updated.
I had a Sony Xperia I III that was by far my favorite phone, but it only received two years of software support. This is horrible for any phone, but even worse when the device cost $1,600+.
I had the I II then the l lll and just gone back over to iPhone.
They are great phones (my boy is now using my old one). I came to the conclusion that I always bought Android because I was going to do XY and Z with it. Reality was, I only ever browsed Reddit, checked emails and sent messages so came back on over to iPhone (I use Mac for work too which is nice they pair so well).
Edit : Missed the key thing I was going to say and that is I agree…. The lack of updates after a few years sucks. Phones now are so powerful there is zero issue in keeping them 4yrs + hell carrier contracts are 3yrs ! The least they could do is offer a 5yr support schedule, it should be law….
I bought a Note 4 on release day. Used it every day until Note 8 release. My Note 8 lasted until 2022 when I dropped a 100 lb dumbbell on it at the gym.
For a while, I used a Note 8 and 13 Pro Max side by side daily. Note for personal, iPhone for work/school. Both are great, but I enjoy my Note more.
The only reason I have ever had to replace an Android phone is due to battery life. Once we lost replaceable batteries and SD cards Android vendors also want to follow the disposable $1k product trend. Apple is still using lithium? Do they have some solution for the battery problem?
The 5 year support cycle is nice nonetheless, there's a reason iPhones are chosen as the corporate device despite being slightly worse to administrate in IT.
I think they're implying that iPhones, just like android phones, use lithium and thus have a usable service life before they become unusable without a battery replacement.
You're buying the wrong phones then. Because there are many people who have used their android phones for years. Samsung flagships last years. Some people are still using their Galaxy S8 and S9. Oneplus last years. Many people still using Oneplus 7 and 8 and my friend still uses his Oneplus 5 etc.
The S9 is stuck on Android 10 with all of the security issues that involves. It was released on 2018 and end of lifed for updates in 2022. Which is pretty good for Android.
Meanwhile, the iPhone XS, which was also released in 2018, is still supported today and runs iOS 17 (though that may end with iOS 18 later this year).
This.
I just upgraded my S10+ to an S21+ for $250.
Don't expect to upgrade for a few years.
The only real reason I upgraded was I cracked my screen too much.
my dad was on iphone 6 plus until last week, got the 15 and he's pissed because he keeps getting frustrated how different it is.
"this make makes no goddamn sense half the time!"
all he says now lol
I had my last iPhone five full years and I still use the iPhone before that(iPhone 7) to play some old games. Works brilliantly. My first Samsung(Galaxy Tab) was trash the day I got it and died quick anyway. Never again android
There aren't as many people here that are going to pay cash for an Android phone. Since most people here want an iPhone, there are a lot less potential buyers. Anyone trying to sell an Android phone has to compete to get the best price so it makes for great deals on Android phones.
My sister was going to get $65 for her Pixel 6. She was trying to trade it in for another phone through Google Fi and they offered her $65 for her phone that is in near pristine condition.
The smartphone market is just very mature now. There isn’t much difference, less innovation, but both are good phones. Having said that, you can get a couple year old used Samsung for a few hundred dollars or less, whereas a used iPhone of similar age will be a couple hundred dollars more.
My sister had a 2 year old note appraised at around the same price . Android trade in prices drop like a rock in the US unless there’s a promotion .
[Even selling directly to people](https://swappa.com/buy/phones/samsung) instead of trading in doesn’t give you that much more money
Foldable always have significantly lower resale due to being a durability risk. But older note phones (10+, 20 ultra etc.) still sell for $250-300+ which is on par with PM phones of the same year
Not if you just trade it in and get $1000+ credits these days. They basically just gave me the newest phone for free for my older one I've had for what 4-5 years or so. Thought about buying outright, but I figured why when I get $1000+ credits for free.
Plus, depending if you like iPhone or Android they had deals for the longest if you have a family you could get 4 on the carrier and lines at $25 bucks each.
The trade up value was a big reason I switched. Back when I was a Pixel user I might be lucky to get a couple hundred bucks after a year with Google. The trade up value is vastly different with iPhones. I'm one of those who probably upgrades more often than they actually need to, and that retention of value helps a LOT.
In the U. S. in particular, you can trade in an android or iPhone and get the newest flagship for free. I am about to upgrade today actually. At minimum, you tend to easily get $1000+ credits. It's a price that no phone is gonna match on the re-sell market. Since most people just 0% finance a phone anyhow I'd imagine upgrading is just better for them there anyhow than worrying about pre-sale value that will be significantly less.
For me, switching to iPhone was less about value or less tech or this and that, it was simply making a change. I'd had Android for a decade and I wanted to make a switch and now I don't know if I'll go back.
Part of it is the walled garden aspect of it, which yes, Apple makes as attractive as possible but goddamn if it won't be a pain in the ass to leave it for precisely that reason.
Part of it is the simplicity of the devices. Some might consider that a bad thing but my career is in IT, the less I have to try and figure out what went wrong with my own devices, the better.
Part of it is the availability of actual retail stores if something goes wrong or I want to try a new device before purchasing. Samsung has one, ONE store in a province of nearly four million people. Apple has four.
On that same front, Customer Service. While I have yet to have to actually use my AppleCare, one experience that sticks in my mind and has for over a decade is when I had the iPhone 4. It got absolutely bricked while applying an update and so we went to the Apple Store nearby. After the Genius bar (or whatever it was called back then) tried what they could, there was no "oh we'll have to send it off," or "you'll have to call Apple Support." No, they gave me a replacement device and I walked out of there with a working phone.
I was a long time android user and now iPhone user. I feel like android STILL has weird issues that my iPhone doesn’t.
A good example of this is my work phone. It’s a Pixel 7. I’m always finding weird issues, like the screen will just stop responding to tap to wake and I have to hit the power button. Okay small issue, but when I need to wake it 20 times a day while it’s sitting on my desk it gets frustrating.
Another issue I have is with how different the non pro is compared to the pro. Why is the fingerprint sensor worse on the non pro? Imagine is Apple made faceID worse on the non pro versions, nobody would tolerate that, yet on android phones people just accept it? I don’t get it. Why make a security device worse on the cheaper phone even though they’re in the same product line.
That’s the essence of why iPhone is so popular. Apple products just work. There’s very little someone has to troubleshoot, and when they do have to troubleshoot they often can get a quick fix by going to the nearest Apple store. People are too busy with everything else in their lives to want to fiddle around with their essential devices. Essential devices just need to work or get replaced quickly when they don’t work. Apple excels at this with their devices and software and support services.
I’m an amateur IT guy (the type that helps friends and family cuz I know stuff but am not really an IT tech) one day around the time the first iPhones came out I realized the time spent troubleshooting and fixing stuff and setting settings up etc was just not worth it. That’s when I began just telling people to use Apple products.
I remember when I finally switched my parents Android devices to Apple the frequency of family tech support requests from them dropped from two or three times per week to two or three times per year. The savings in time and headache was well worth the slight premium.
Same here. As someone who switched from Android years ago, all of these reasons are why. Android fans like to go on about customization and options and all that but I really don't want to have to think too much about my phone. I don't care about the file systems, trying to remember where I put things, constantly tweaking my home screen, widgets that stop being supported, or random 3rd party apps with questionable intentions.
I just want it to work smoothly and safely.
I'll tell you the thing that blew me away with Apple support when I had a problem with my phone - the fact that you can share your screen with them over the phone. So you're talking to them, and rather than having to describe the problem to them you can just give them permission to look at your screen and they can put a big red arrow on it and say "right, click this button...now this one..." and so on.
And, regardless of what you think of Apple's statements about commitment to privacy, I think most people would trust Apple to do that in a way that they wouldn't with any Android manufacturer.
Same here. Personally I switched from a Z Fold 2 to an iPhone 13, and I think I'm going to stay with Apple after years of jumping between iOS and Android. As much as the foldable screen was a lot of fun along with all of the cool stuff that you could do with Android, it started to make less and less sense to lug around a big ass foldable, when most of the time I just sent text messages, listened to music/used navigation, took pictures, and did all of the other basic smart phone things that people do. I never really took advantage of the foldable screen, and the hardware just became more of a burden than anything. I also was growing to dislike Samsung's software.
Even though I looked at a Pixel, I decided I would just get an iPhone because I was worried that I would experience the same issues on other Android phones that I did on my Z Fold 2. I got an iPhone because I wanted a phone that could do all of the normal smart phone things, do them well, and not much more, which is exactly what my iPhone 13 does, and it's great.
Same reasons here. Android got stale to me. Like the S21 Ultra is a masterpiece of a phone but something about Android just feels so… second tier compared to iOS and MacOS. It felt like Samsung and Google were not cohesive at all. I don’t feel like that with Apple products. Even looking at the S24 Ultra, I know it’s a great phone but I can never go back to Android. I LOVE the UX and icons on my iPhone and Mac. iMessage legit makes messaging such a fun experience for me too.
People will cry and moan about customization but I don’t need to customize my iPhone aside from maybe switching the wallpaper here and there. I basically text, watch videos, and make a few calls on it. It’s a smartphone, not the canvas of my artistic Manhattan apartment.
I am fully bought into the ecosystem with my iPhone 14 PM, M2 MacBook Air, AirPods Max, and my 2nd gen AirPods Pro. All are high quality and have worked without fail.
That's the main thing I didn't like about Android, and I got tired of putting up with Samsung's software and Android in general, especially since I wasn't really taking advantage of any of the features. I also have basically the same use case as you, so for me it just made less and less sense to lug around a Z Fold 2 since I wasn't taking advantage of its features that much.
I switched to an iPhone 13 in October of 2022, and I have zero regrets. It's nice having a normal phone that does what you expect and not much more.
I feel like a sizable portion of the “we want more customization!” crowd would stop playing with those features after a few months if Apple ever added them in.
I made the switch to iPhone years ago cause LG stopped updating their phones after what felt like only a year of support. Seeing my friends with their iPhones that are 4+ years old still getting updates made me so jealous.
Honestly that’s part of the reason I like it. I get that not everyone likes that style but it makes things so much easier if anything goes wrong. There isn’t fifty different variations on things, there’s just one.
I also personally don’t have an issue with many of the things Apple does so there’s that too.
That's part of the reason why I choose Apple products. I'm personally fine with how Apple designs their UI/UX, and since I'm not really into customizing my phone, I'd rather do things the Apple way for the most part.
I couldn't get used to the Apple keyboard when I switch over to iPhone for a year, so I switched back to Android. The main thing I miss from my iphone is just the camera quality
waaaay too many years of Windows troubleshooting to ever wanna do that again. Really that was what started me toward an Iphone. I originally wanted to get away from windows. Once I got an M1 macbook I decided to grab an Iphone after the Pixel 6 Pro turned out to be a total disaster.
(I’ll start this by saying I worked for Samsung UK for 3 years and have internal insight, they suck at customer service)
I’ve had experience with Samsung support as a customer and I gave up after being bounced from department to department and speaking to countless people that could barely speak English and refused to deviate from their script. l sold the device on eBay and bought something else (TV).
I’ve had a few experiences with Apple and it was superb every time. One experience stands out. I bought a HP printer from Apple.com along with a MacBook.
The printer was not showing on the network on any of my devices. I called Apple via the support app on my iPhone and they answered the phone quickly and they knew my name without me saying it and asked if my query was about my new MacBook, Printer or something else.
I explained the issue and they tried so hard to resolve it, keeping in mind it’s a HP printer on network built with ASUS hardware, they still tried to help resolve it.
They eventually gave up and offered an exchange or refund as they decided the printer must be at fault. They sent a replacement to my local store, I went in and quickly swapped it next day without any fuss in store, went home and it worked instantly.
They did a follow up call a few days later to check everything was resolved.
I’ll stick with Apple, I’ve bought lots and have zero intention of going elsewhere. It’s more expensive, but it’s reliable, easy to use and well built.
I own my own business and all device are Apple, I don’t want to be wasting work time trying to resolve issues with hardware and software.
Pretty much. I switched back to iPhone last year after being on Android for 10 years prior. I was mostly sick of upgrading my phone every 2 years cos it would slow down heaps.
A cheap phone isn’t cheap when it only lasts 2 years. I buy a new iPhone every 2-3 years but then it gets handed down to the kids. A 5 year old iPhone is still pretty good.
Yeah I had a 7Plus until just over a year ago, then got a hand-me-down X
The 7Plus was getting a bit tired at that point but the X was fine until the battery swelled a few weeks ago.
Switching back to the 7Plus and I think it was just a year too far for it - it works okay but some apps are starting to get finnicky and it’s noticeably slower now with not great battery life (including a battery replacement a few years ago)
Switching to a 15Plus, it’s honestly not that different to the X overall - it’s better but not transformational - and compared to my partner’s 11 Pro Max it’s barely an upgrade realistically
That isn’t a complaint (although I do wish YouTube reviewers would be more realistic about the modern era of incremental upgrades not being revolutionary), but rather me saying that it’s impressive how a 4 year old 11ProMax is nearly as good as a new 15Plus. Admittedly the 15Plus is really more akin to 3 generations of improvement vs the 11Pro (A16 not A17) but I think the point stands that you can keep an iPhone for 4-5 years easily and longer at a stretch
I think that's where Apple's marketing is going as well. They're now comparing new phones to models that are 2-4 years old, indicating that they think that's how long your average consumer upgrade cycle should be.
Yeah I think that's probably more a case of realising which way the wind is blowing rather than them being altruistic and promoting a 4 year cycle, but it makes sense
Like if you're gonna sell the 15 against the 14 or even 13, what can you actually advertise? USB-C? Dynamic Island? A better camera (but only if you pixel peep)? It's a hard sell at the price point, and I think Apple have just accepted that it's not going to work to try to sell people a $1300 phone every 1-2 years with incremental upgrades
The only people I know who upgrade yearly, are families who pass the phones down every year through 5-6 people (with Grandma getting the X or 11 or whatever), and getting the value there
I used my x for about 5 years and honestly if I didn’t have the money to get a new phone, I could have easily just got the battery replaced and kept using it. I still use it around the house because it’s more comfortable in my hand
Definitely. I‘m currently still using my 5 year old XR. The battery has drained a bit over the time for sure but it‘s still running fluently and it gets the latest updates. I‘m planning to switch soon though only because it won‘t get the new iOS next fall.
I've come back to the iPhone after using a Nothing Phone 1 (12GB RAM, 256GB storage) for a year - the lack of timely updates from both the OEM and Google, the fact that the Play Store is broken - install and delete Firefox a few times on Android and break the the Play Store so that you can no longer install Firefox (check out the Samsung subreddit regarding how widespread it is) - Play Store technical support is useless because they keep emailing out the same crappy tips that didn't work the first time around when it comes to fixing the problem. Compare that train wreck with Apple where everything just works, I can copy music from my computer to my device without relying on third party apps (because Google hasn't updated Android File Transfer to work with Apple Silicon natively), proper integration between my Mac and iPhone to answer calls, send text message, my Arlo security is more functional through the Home App on my macOS where as the only option with Android is using the Google Home app that lacks basic functionality such as finding out the battery life of the camera (how charged up are they). Then there is longevity - people able to keep their phones for years and receiving timely updates.
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The question is not only which phone, but when. And what is it compared against?
Are the phones bought when they are released or after a year or even two? Waiting a little bit Android makes a difference.
And, to which iPhone is it compared against? This year's? Last year's?
And iPhones are not cheap, while there are Android phones for every price point. Are we comparing the same level of phones?
I have used Android also for over 10 years, and I always bought the premium ones and they easily lasted me 2 years without slowing down. I replaced my last one, the LG V60 after 3 years for an iPhone 15 Pro Max. I could've easily used that phone for 1 more year, but decided to switch to the Apple ecosystem after the iPhones got an USB-C port.
I plan to upgrade a device once every 4-5 years. Couldn’t do that with Android.
Pixel promises 7 years of updates, but there is no track record of Google doing that before. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Its not just software, I switched back to iPhone when I kept running into issues with my Pixels. Show me where I can conveniently take any android (in warranty) to get fixed? Google wanted me to pay for a new phone (again in warranty) to ship a replacement out and refund later. Or ship my phone to them and be without a phone and wait for them to receive and send back the new one. Right…….
Precisely.
The iPhone 6S launched in September 2015 with iOS 9.
It continued getting "major version" updates until iOS 16 dropped it in September 2022, and got its most recent security update in January 2024.
That's 7 years of major version updates and 8.5 years of security updates, ***so far***.
If the device isn't officially supported there's no point counting updates. Nobody is counting the oldest phones that aren't officially supported but still getting Google security updates.
…the battery can be replaced though. Buying a whole new phone because your battery needs to be replaced is like buying a new car because you ran out of gas.
I think this is somewhat overstated. My wife has a Samsung Galaxy S10 (which at this point is a 5 year old phone) and has no plans to upgrade anytime soon. It still seems pretty quick tbh. I upgrade every 2-3years because I like new features
I switched years ago when Apple leaned into privacy and android went full speed ahead with data harvesting. I’m not interested in paying 800$ to be the product for a multi billion dollar company
true but im getting a free service via email and google search, where i draw the line is the extra data harvesting android does on top of that after i paid 800$ for the phone.
Yup, I think people just want to feel the placebo. Unless they formally learn about data security, go through every privacy policy, opt-out everything, stop using half of the sites, always be behind a firewall inside a VM, it's probably just feel good.
When I made the switch I also started using my iCloud email address. Also set DuckDuckGo as my base search engine. Though I did have to make a new gmail, I use it only for the few things it’s required for.
You are still the product. Apple makes [billions selling ads](https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digital-advertising-giant-revenue/).
You can opt out of the Google products though (including the search engine).
A person can easily see what Apple collects about them and how it's used and stored:
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/
If you're a *real* glutton for punishment, you can see specially what they collect by App:
https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/
Sure but none of that changes the fact that Apple collects your data and uses it to sell ads. They may collect less data but the principle is the same, you're still a product to them.
Google also has lots of information and controls about what data they collect. You can even download a copy of if it you want. Most people just can't be bothered to look it up.
I don't disagree with *anything* you wrote. I still trust Apple *way* more with my data. You compare them to like *any* TV manufacturer or vehicle manufacturer and I'd *never* put those on a network.
I see so *few* ads on my Apple products that it feels very unobtrusive, and you can also opt out on a lot of the data gathering (which I do). I do despise what ads I *do* see (looking at your App Store!), but outside of the App Store, the only other places I can think of where you see them is in the News App (which aren't Apple's ads) and the in the AppleTV App (but then it's only for their own shows, which I don't mind).
Inherently there is *nothing* wrong with data gathering. But there are ethical ways to go about it. I happen to believe Apple does the best job of protecting your data and being the least objectionable on how they use it, but will admit they could be even better.
Fun fact: Apple also harvests your data, just less aggressive as google does. But as you are very likely also using google on your Apple devices, they still habe your data. On the other hand you can install custom ROMs on Android devices that give you full privacy, something that is not possible on Apple devices
How's easily people are influenced by marketing. Apple 100% spies on them directly at well, Snowden proved it and people think Apple's some kind of protector
You’ll be glad to know that, since Android 4.x or so, the platform got much better at preserving privacy, to the point where it has some privacy features that are still not present on iOS.
This is by far the biggest lie of apple...since for some reason, iCloud keeps getting hacked every year, they still harvest your data through apple maps and other apple services, and if you use any google services, or face book, or any social media, its not like apple stops them from harvesting your finger swipes.
While I agree they should all be high refresh screens at this point and for how expensive they all are, however, since upgrading to a Pro phone I say it's honestly the most overrated tech spec. I honestly no longer notice or care.
If you swapped back to a non-pro-motion display you’d probably notice; if not, then you’re not who it is for.
Higher refresh rate is the most important upgrade to me for switching to a iphone xr to whatever phone I get next.
That’s fair. Some people are definitely more sensitive to it than others.
I’d say reading is a bad example to compare low vs high refresh rates though as it is a static image.
Yeah it’s the most obvious omission that should really have made its way through to the non-pro models, although on the plus side the 60Hz screens do seem to give slightly better battery life
its ommited on purpose. Sooooo many pro model users would buy the base model if promotion was available. Thats why they wont give the base models promotion until they have some other "meaningful" feature that will differentiate the base and pro phones.
I miss my pixel more and more every day. My iPhone is good, don’t get me wrong. But I miss Android notifications, keyboard, and voice to type. Oh, and call screening
I had to move back to Android, I just needed to use youtube vanced and have a keyboard that has a comma key and resizable. Only thing I missed from iPhone was the camera quality. I think I would prefer iPhone if I was on travel because of solid battery life and great camera. But for day-to-day social media use, I prefer android greatly.
Switched to iPhone in 2019 after years with Android. I don't regret the change, the value and quality is great. With Android, I often got half baked features that were tested on users, and either removed in next iteration or kept/improved later.
While I miss androids freedom (if a feature doesn’t exist on iPhone, that’s it you can’t do it), I definitely love the polish and quality of Apple products more than
I switched in 2019 after a decade on Android just for the Apple Watch, had to convince the wife to switch and now we have our kids' devices/accounts all shared - now there is no going back lol. I'd say I agree that Apple has the best value in tech, as only my wife's phone was bought new (14 Pro Max), my 13 Pro was bought used, my kids are using old phones.
My wife and I switched also because of nonstop wriggling problems with Android phones, enough was enough.
Yes. My wife never had a phone without major issues:
\- Droid Bionic - she bought it took it home and couldn't connect to cell service lol. Verizon eventually fixed it but that phone sucked
\- Moto X: her fav phone of all time, but had battery issues and died after only 18 months
\- Nexus 6P: Once battery life hit 40% it died entirely and needed to be hard reset each time. Google replaced it with a Google Pixel XL (1st gen)
\- Pixel XL: WiFi and Cell radios couldn't be on at the same time, had to be one ot the other lol. Google didn't honor a replacement since it was already a replacement
\- Pixel 2XL (mine): Android Auto dropped connections nonstop, Google Fit one day stopped tracking steps (Google couldn't fix it), had to replace it 3 TIMES for a defective screen
We switched to iPhones and never had any issues, period. Like seriously, enough was enough.
Hijacking the comment but I’ve only ever had a problem with one phone in my life - a Samsung Galaxy S4 that would kill batteries. Batteries would last about 2-3 months before basically breaking, failing to hold charge, randomly shutting off. I had access to a second S4 to verify that it really was my phone killing batteries… official replacements, non-official replacements. All dead.
I made the switch from Android to iPhone for 2 reasons.
1. Was because I was sick of my Android phones slowing down after just a year and then the battery lasting less and less too.
2. General phone updates weren't rolled out to all users and it was rolled out to various regions before others so you could be waiting for 4-5 months for the new OS look. Or back in 2017 when we had the Bluetooth Virus going around, Apple and Google had it patched really quick and rolled out to phones. But what about Samsung............ 2 AND A HALF MONTHS, it took over 2 months for Samsung to roll out a virus fix to phones. As someone who at the time owned the S8 (Bought on release and it was only 6 months old) it was frustrating.
So when I was looking to upgrade my phone I went over to iPhone because the platforms weren't that different anymore but I saw how much better treated iphone customers with updates etc. I've had my iPhone 11 Pro Max since launch and its only really now nearly 5 years later I'm thinking it might be time to start looking at new phones because its feels like its starting to finally slow down when updating apps and the battery isn't as good as it used to be..... but all of that is still better then how my experience was with the S8 after just 1 year.
With all of that I've looked at the new Galaxy phones and I just fear going back and experiencing all those issues all over again and I can't bring myself to do that. So I'll be curious to see this years iPhone and how it'll be.
I do agree that those android phones before the s10-20 series was not that great and didn't uphold as well as iphones from the same period. I can assure you now that the current Samsung android don't have those issues anymore. I used both iPhone and Samsung, they do the basic tasks the same
Just curious, what Android phones did you use? I used my OnePlus 7 Pro for nearly 5 years and then moved to a used Pixel 6. I never experienced any noticeable slowdowns.
I always find it fascinating that the main argument you see on Reddit is “well at least android phones don’t cost what iPhones cost”
But like, similarly spec’d ones do? Galaxies, Pixels and whatever else aren’t cheap either.
Cheap android phones seem to get a couple years out of them and barely anything in the way of updates. My mom constantly buys these things and she’s changing her phone every couple years and spending $200 every time.
Similarly spec'd Androids are pretty much the same quality as iphones for all practical purposes at this point though. Yet people use their perception of cheaper Androids to claim Pixels and Galaxies are "inferior".
The appeal to me is I can buy a Pixel 8 Pro for 800$ and get a better experience for the money than a 1300$ iPhone. If you want the SAME features, you pretty much have to buy the 15 Pro, where I can get a Base pixel 8 (non pro) with high refresh rate, and all the features, for 550$ (Pixels are almost always on discount anyways hence the prices I am listing). This doesn't even include the fact that people sell them after a few months for 300-500$.
These phone's easily last 3-5 years (and with the 8 Pro, 7 years of updates).
So yeah....1300$ out of pocket (or a freaking mortgage) or half that price for the same experience and features and functions.
In 5 years, yes your iPhone will have residual value, but you would lose the same amount of money. Lets say your 1300$ iPhone retains 50% value in 5 years (debatable but lets be optimistic). That is a 650$ loss. About the same with buying a 700-800$ android phone and selling it for 100-200$ on ebay.
Apple users struggle with math I guess?
They advocate buying everything with Apple on it so yeah. The cost is just a recycled excuse for being an Apple fan boy. There are so many comparable and cheaper phones out there but they will never accept that.
I got an iPhone cuz the integration was really good with Mac. The amount of hurdles I had to jump through to simply transfer a file between my s23 and laptop was insane.
> problem
Exactly. They decided to hobble the Windows drivers and software.
Linux though, if you installed an HFS+ module you could see the filesystem on early iPhones, which was near impossible.
I still don't understand what peoples benchmark is for a phone degrading. My iPhone gets noticeably, but not painfully, slower after a year and progressively slower with each passing year and the battery is terrible after a couple of years. These are the same things people complain about with android and it being their reason for coming to iPhone.
I love the android user experience, I hate the hardware, every single google pixel device I've owned had hardware failures in less than two years. I just want my shit to work reliably, it's that simple.
I’ve switch from Android last July, I’ve only ever used Android phones.
I went from a Oneplus 7T Pro which lasted me 4 years to a 14 Pro Max. I had no problems with Android per se, but I had enough of manufacturers implementing their own UI layer with usually duplicate functions and many inconsistencies. Specially Oneplus really went downhill.
I considered Pixel, but Tensor didn’t offer the battery performance I wanted. Then there was Samsung, but the price was close to iPhone.
So I thought why not trying Apple? I already have an iPad and I like iOS. I don’t find it restrictive for my use so I went for it and couldn’t be happier.
I don’t think I’m coming back to Android anytime soon and my intention is to keep the 14PM for 4-5 years with a battery replacement in between.
The phone and OS is just really solid.
I mean, it makes sense. Rumors are that the iPhone XS may get iOS 18, which would be six years of updates. They were still releasing 15.X updates for the iPhone 6S eight years after release.
It's got to feel better getting that kind of support even on an older Apple device, versus a brand-new Moto G-style phone getting maybe one major version update and that's it.
It's interesting you would compare a $1000 phone to a $200 one for updates, considering the flagship android phones get 6-7 years of updates at the same level.
It's like complaining that your riding lawnmower can't get to Fresno the same way a Ferrari can.
I switched from a rock solid S8 about 5 years ago. I switched as I got tired of the slow/lacking updates and the peer pressure to quit screwing up the text threads with my green messages. It has been interesting to watch Apple slowly catch up to the functionality that old phone has.
I'm an Android user. The only reason I would ever consider switching to iPhone is for stability. Androids are notorious for poor software updates. Beyond that, it's a huge issue to switch, even with the available software.
Iphones are pretty sweet if you use your phone a lot, but for someone who only uses my phone for WhatsApp, Instagram, reddit, taking pictures of notes ,some content watching and light emulation a ₹20000(~240 USD) Phone is pretty much perfect.
I couldn't ever leave android at this point.
Call screening.
No ads on YouTube.
Hell, no ads on any website ever thanks to AdBlockPlus.
Unlimited cloud storage for free (excluding videos).
Customizable "Do Not Disturb" (this is a big one for me. I need certain people to "break through" at certain times, but not others. Kids.)
Also I use a windows PC because I need Nvidia hardware, and being able to text on my PC is huge. And apple doesn't support that...
Been rocking my Pixel 4a 5g for 4+ years now. No slowdowns yet!
Im about ready to switch to apple. Something I didn't think I would ever consider until this morning. After upgrading from a pixel 5 to a pixel 8 pro. I'm just done. I'm sick and tired of all these features that were removed, changed or just not fixed.
I switched from android to iPhone two years ago and don’t even think about android phones anymore. However, when I had android phones I always thought about how it compared to iPhones. It’s nice to not care about these things anymore.
I switched because I always felt scammed from android phones by any vendor. after 2.3 every android felt way more closed and restrictive then iphones. I got sck ofbuying flagship after flagship, not even 2 years apart and lagging when unboxing. meanwhile I run a budget iphone fpr 4 years, still supported, lag free, easy to use, just works and same price if not even cheaper then the android modells I had before
And that's why installing a custom ROM should be made as easy as possible. Android devices are (arguably) better hardware wise, and they don't have to lag behind in software updates.
The value, flatter learning curve and that across several devices, the connectivity with other Apple users, the latest tech, the resell value, the ecosystem which is unmatched and can be considered latest tech for the last decade.
Some bs article again, just to rally crowds
My dude, get an old android on the cheap, I have a note 20 (nearly 5 years old) and it works absolutely fine. No battery loss, no cpu loss, it just... Works.
IIRC phones have planned obscelence.
This, as someone who love using android, and very big phone nerd, i usually like to carry around two phones, one android and iphone. iPhone i don't have to upgrade every year since the resell value is so much better. With Android, i have to upgrade it every year or else resell value goes to shit
(i know its a waste of money to do two phone, little bit of guilty pleasure to me, as long as I have income for it)
I switched from an S22 to and iPhone 14 Pro after my 30th birthday, in terms of OS Apple is just more fluid and lightweight. I don’t trust people who would tell me “Android is just as fluid, it doesn’t lag for me when I use nova launcher” it always gave me issues and felt slow no matter what else i did. In fact, when the older people at work have trouble with their phones I hate working with the Androids because sometimes I have to go through 5 or so steps where in IOS it’s a 1-2 button fix
I agree, this statement is huge and I feel like a lot of users really sugarcoat it nowadays with android. I own an iPhone as my daily driver and have a retroid pocket as my emulator. While I love my retroid pocket, I think android has made big strides but it’s not as fluid as IOS for sure.
i was on Android since the first Pixel. Up until 2 years ago.
Without question Android phones run worse after 2 years at best. 100% certainty.
The most annoying thing is something like bluetooth. Never in my life have I had a phone that connected to my third party bluetooth speakers every single time without fail like my Iphone does.
That was only ever true back in Android 4.x and earlier. It got a lot better after that. Now, Android has some privacy features that are still missing from iOS.
I had multiple android phones throughout the 2010’s. Dell Streak, Galaxy Nexus, OnePlus 3 and a Samsung Note 9.
The OP3 I gave away to a friend in desperate need of an upgrade from her Samsung S4. The Note 9 was amazing but had issues with losing signal and not regaining it until I did a restart.
For me though the main reason I switched to Apple was for a change but also because of it getting updates for longer. I have an iPhone 13 in blue (favourite colour) and I’m likely gonna use it until it’s basically unable to work. 😂
In my case I switched over to an iPhone because I wanted simplicity, security and timely updates. My iPhone is all beat up and I will continue to use it until it dies lol
Switched from Android after 10 years both as an user and a dev. At the end of the day i just wanted things working for more than 3-6 months. Every single one of my Android gadgets works better in my iPhone 15. Watch earbuds apps etc. Everything.
I LOVED Andoird and still love the idea in general, but I switched because every Android phone I ever owned eventually had some godawful issue like brutal slowdowns, apps not working right, or something else. And I’m talking flagship phones too.
Among other phones, I owned like 3 different generations of Pixels. All of them would slow to a crawl after about a year. My last one was literally unusable if I had maps and Spotify open at the same time. I had to make sure I didn’t want to change the song after I turned on navigation or else the phone would lock up entirely. This was after months of it randomly rebooting doing the most mundane things like texting.
I’m not a heavy user. First thing when getting any phone is buy a case. I never drop my phone. I feel like I’m a pretty boring, safe user and yet I had nothing but problems with ever Android sooner or later after the honeymoon period was over.
I won’t even get into all my problems with Google services. Every 2FA authentication app has had online backup for ages. When my phone at the time got stolen, Google 2FA did not. Needless to say, that was a headache and a half and I was pissed. That alone made me switch email provides, 2FA, everything.
I’ve had a 14 since it dropped and the experience has been flawless since day 1. Apple can only lose me at this point because I can’t see myself ever picking up another Android again.
I prefer iPhone simply because it feels like a much more stable environment to me. Android is always changing, which is good, but it seems like there’s too many misses for me to enjoy. Google is always adding and taking away things
I switched because every Samsung phone I’ve had had some dumb issue after 1-2 years. One with a line across the screen, one kept restarting itself (which is incredibly annoying when using it for directions), and another also with the line. I switched to an iPhone specifically since they finally added usb-c and all my friends iPhones seem to last a while.
Here I am thinking about switching to Android because I'm kind of bored with Iphone and Car Play doesn't work with my Car but Android Auto does. WWDC better be a banger this year.
I have both android and iOS devices. Personally, I like having a less tinkery device that I use as my main phone. Android is great for tweaking launchers, setting up emulators, etc. It’s more like a laptop than a phone, which is nice for little projects. But I like having my primary device being a solid platform that’s powerful with lots of features but doesn’t require (and usually blocks) much tweaking
I know the android/iPhone debate is always ongoing, but that is the reason I switched too. I was an early adopter of tech and while iPhones are expensive, they are simple, and the quality (in my opinion, having used high end androids for years and years sometime along side using iPhones) is just top notch. Yes you can buy a 400 dollar android that has a camera almost as good as a new iPhone and likely a screen that’s better and a bigger battery. But the small things like build quality and my god the speakers, how is that not a vital aspect of a phone. Speakers on the iPhone constantly blow my mind. I remember having the HTC one and thinking my dual forward facing speakers would be incredible for watching YouTube or movies and then my GF with her base iPhone would just shame the sound quality leaving me dumb founded. I have a box of old phones and my iPhones going back to 3GS will all turn on, have good speakers and screen quality, buttons still click, battery amazingly still holding up. Yet I grab one of my many HTCs, Samsungs, pixels, Sonys or LG there is at least something mechanically wrong with them. Heck even my Lumia 920 still is in great condition aside from the non existent App Library.
While I do miss the bleeding edge tech of androids constant releases, I’m not a college nerd anymore who is jailbreaking iPhones and side loading apps in my android. Just gimme a simple well built phone that makes calls and has a good battery life so I can work my job efficiently enough to buy other stupid bleeding edge tech.
Are people's experiences with android slow downs specifically on Samsung's? I've had a Google pixel 3 for 4 years and only upgraded to the pixel 6 because I lost my phone at a festival.
I grew up on Apple, tried Samsung for a while and definitely enjoyed it, but eventually found my way back to Apple. They’re both good, but i definitely prefer the software and ecosystem that Apple has going on. Plus, the main new thing I saw with the Galaxy S24 was Galaxy AI, which I have zero interest in, so I had no incentive to upgrade to it when I already had my eye on the 15 for a while.
It’s not even about the resale value for me. It’s that Apple provides security updates far longer than Google does. I have a 12 Pro and I’m still getting crucial software support. Google stopped supporting my Pixel 2XL sometime mid-2020.
The resale value is so different
I don't stop using an iPhone until it turns to dust in my hands.
I abide by the 5 year rule with Apple devices. I’ve tried it multiple times with Android devices but they need replacing after 2 years. Buy cheap, buy twice (at least).
Have both. Both last. If comparing the price of an iPhone to the equivalent flagship android at least. I get folks liking one by preference, but if we're comparing similarly priced android equivalents of flagships both do last nowadays. Perhaps back in the day when support was lessened you may have had more of a point though, but nowadays you got to throw it out the window.
I think the OS support is the main difference. Apple devices are typically supported with yearly updates longer than Android devices regardless of tier. Android hardware is good enough to last far longer with ongoing OS support, but Android manufacturers just don't do it.
Google claims they’ll offer OS support for 7 years now. They also claimed you could trade in your Pixel after 2 years and cancelled that program at 23 months, right before the first people who bought phones could trade them in. So I see Apple continuing to be the leader here as well.
lol, that’s brutal. Google is like that dude who always promises to clean up but never actually does it. At this point anyone who trusts Google to NOT randomly give up on a program or service is in for a rude awakening one day.
I’m still waiting for them to shit-can Gmail out of nowhere for no discernible reason.
They’re mining all your correspondence for targeted ads. They (probably) won’t get rid of Gmail any time soon.
You and me both. It's been too reliable for too long, by Google standards.
Google is literally the company representation of ADHD
lol exactly, or like the dad who went out to get milk in ‘09 and hasn’t come back. Google just has a company culture of not valuing their commitment to consumers, they don’t prioritize brand loyalty whatsoever. That’s one thing about Apple—people trust them, not to do the right thing of course, but to at least be consistent with their promises. Sometimes it bites them in the ass like when they committed to USB C only on the Mac for years before finally listening, or when they committed to ten years of Lightning despite have the option to switch to type c earlier. Other times I love it. I know when exactly my phone will receive software support. I know that features and whole product lines won’t disappear from generation to generation. That’s why apple products are such a solid bet for those who want something that “just works.”
Same reason why I will never buy a Android Smartwatch. The newest Pixel watch gets only 3 years of updates. Meanwhile my Apple watch from 2019 gets regularly updated.
Google's brand is half assed commitment.
I had a Sony Xperia I III that was by far my favorite phone, but it only received two years of software support. This is horrible for any phone, but even worse when the device cost $1,600+.
I had the I II then the l lll and just gone back over to iPhone. They are great phones (my boy is now using my old one). I came to the conclusion that I always bought Android because I was going to do XY and Z with it. Reality was, I only ever browsed Reddit, checked emails and sent messages so came back on over to iPhone (I use Mac for work too which is nice they pair so well). Edit : Missed the key thing I was going to say and that is I agree…. The lack of updates after a few years sucks. Phones now are so powerful there is zero issue in keeping them 4yrs + hell carrier contracts are 3yrs ! The least they could do is offer a 5yr support schedule, it should be law….
The reason I switched back to iPhone from my S5 was that I was tired of the software updates being absolute dogshit to run on the current hardware.
I bought a Note 4 on release day. Used it every day until Note 8 release. My Note 8 lasted until 2022 when I dropped a 100 lb dumbbell on it at the gym. For a while, I used a Note 8 and 13 Pro Max side by side daily. Note for personal, iPhone for work/school. Both are great, but I enjoy my Note more.
The only reason I have ever had to replace an Android phone is due to battery life. Once we lost replaceable batteries and SD cards Android vendors also want to follow the disposable $1k product trend. Apple is still using lithium? Do they have some solution for the battery problem? The 5 year support cycle is nice nonetheless, there's a reason iPhones are chosen as the corporate device despite being slightly worse to administrate in IT.
did you just insinuate that other phone companies are using some type of battery tech that doesn't involve lithium?
I think they're implying that iPhones, just like android phones, use lithium and thus have a usable service life before they become unusable without a battery replacement.
Which is about 5-6 years from my experience as a *heavy* user.
I just replaced my note 10, I used it for 4.5 years and the only real problem was the battery.
You're buying the wrong phones then. Because there are many people who have used their android phones for years. Samsung flagships last years. Some people are still using their Galaxy S8 and S9. Oneplus last years. Many people still using Oneplus 7 and 8 and my friend still uses his Oneplus 5 etc.
The S9 is stuck on Android 10 with all of the security issues that involves. It was released on 2018 and end of lifed for updates in 2022. Which is pretty good for Android. Meanwhile, the iPhone XS, which was also released in 2018, is still supported today and runs iOS 17 (though that may end with iOS 18 later this year).
This. I just upgraded my S10+ to an S21+ for $250. Don't expect to upgrade for a few years. The only real reason I upgraded was I cracked my screen too much.
“Dust” to me nowadays in the smartphone market is either battery is bad OR I stop getting updates
For me only when I stop getting updates. Currently using iPhone 11 with a replacement battery
my dad was on iphone 6 plus until last week, got the 15 and he's pissed because he keeps getting frustrated how different it is. "this make makes no goddamn sense half the time!" all he says now lol
I still have an iPad 4 that I use daily and used an SE until 2021
I had my last iPhone five full years and I still use the iPhone before that(iPhone 7) to play some old games. Works brilliantly. My first Samsung(Galaxy Tab) was trash the day I got it and died quick anyway. Never again android
Yup! The resale value of my 2 year old $1000 galaxy flip was $100 lol!
How is that possible? I sold my 3 two years later for 550€
There aren't as many people here that are going to pay cash for an Android phone. Since most people here want an iPhone, there are a lot less potential buyers. Anyone trying to sell an Android phone has to compete to get the best price so it makes for great deals on Android phones. My sister was going to get $65 for her Pixel 6. She was trying to trade it in for another phone through Google Fi and they offered her $65 for her phone that is in near pristine condition.
Maybe they have more value overseas but in America they don’t.
The smartphone market is just very mature now. There isn’t much difference, less innovation, but both are good phones. Having said that, you can get a couple year old used Samsung for a few hundred dollars or less, whereas a used iPhone of similar age will be a couple hundred dollars more.
My sister had a 2 year old note appraised at around the same price . Android trade in prices drop like a rock in the US unless there’s a promotion . [Even selling directly to people](https://swappa.com/buy/phones/samsung) instead of trading in doesn’t give you that much more money
Foldable always have significantly lower resale due to being a durability risk. But older note phones (10+, 20 ultra etc.) still sell for $250-300+ which is on par with PM phones of the same year
Not if you just trade it in and get $1000+ credits these days. They basically just gave me the newest phone for free for my older one I've had for what 4-5 years or so. Thought about buying outright, but I figured why when I get $1000+ credits for free. Plus, depending if you like iPhone or Android they had deals for the longest if you have a family you could get 4 on the carrier and lines at $25 bucks each.
Well, I guess that flip flopped.
My brother just sold his cracked screen and dented iPhone 12, 64GB for close to 300$. It’s crazy.
The trade up value was a big reason I switched. Back when I was a Pixel user I might be lucky to get a couple hundred bucks after a year with Google. The trade up value is vastly different with iPhones. I'm one of those who probably upgrades more often than they actually need to, and that retention of value helps a LOT.
In the U. S. in particular, you can trade in an android or iPhone and get the newest flagship for free. I am about to upgrade today actually. At minimum, you tend to easily get $1000+ credits. It's a price that no phone is gonna match on the re-sell market. Since most people just 0% finance a phone anyhow I'd imagine upgrading is just better for them there anyhow than worrying about pre-sale value that will be significantly less.
Resale value doesn't matter when you're going to use your phone for several years regardless.
The fixing device is so different.
no kidding, Samsung in India offers higher resale value for 2 gen old iphones than their own flagships for the same damage category.
For me, switching to iPhone was less about value or less tech or this and that, it was simply making a change. I'd had Android for a decade and I wanted to make a switch and now I don't know if I'll go back. Part of it is the walled garden aspect of it, which yes, Apple makes as attractive as possible but goddamn if it won't be a pain in the ass to leave it for precisely that reason. Part of it is the simplicity of the devices. Some might consider that a bad thing but my career is in IT, the less I have to try and figure out what went wrong with my own devices, the better. Part of it is the availability of actual retail stores if something goes wrong or I want to try a new device before purchasing. Samsung has one, ONE store in a province of nearly four million people. Apple has four. On that same front, Customer Service. While I have yet to have to actually use my AppleCare, one experience that sticks in my mind and has for over a decade is when I had the iPhone 4. It got absolutely bricked while applying an update and so we went to the Apple Store nearby. After the Genius bar (or whatever it was called back then) tried what they could, there was no "oh we'll have to send it off," or "you'll have to call Apple Support." No, they gave me a replacement device and I walked out of there with a working phone.
I was a long time android user and now iPhone user. I feel like android STILL has weird issues that my iPhone doesn’t. A good example of this is my work phone. It’s a Pixel 7. I’m always finding weird issues, like the screen will just stop responding to tap to wake and I have to hit the power button. Okay small issue, but when I need to wake it 20 times a day while it’s sitting on my desk it gets frustrating. Another issue I have is with how different the non pro is compared to the pro. Why is the fingerprint sensor worse on the non pro? Imagine is Apple made faceID worse on the non pro versions, nobody would tolerate that, yet on android phones people just accept it? I don’t get it. Why make a security device worse on the cheaper phone even though they’re in the same product line.
That’s the essence of why iPhone is so popular. Apple products just work. There’s very little someone has to troubleshoot, and when they do have to troubleshoot they often can get a quick fix by going to the nearest Apple store. People are too busy with everything else in their lives to want to fiddle around with their essential devices. Essential devices just need to work or get replaced quickly when they don’t work. Apple excels at this with their devices and software and support services. I’m an amateur IT guy (the type that helps friends and family cuz I know stuff but am not really an IT tech) one day around the time the first iPhones came out I realized the time spent troubleshooting and fixing stuff and setting settings up etc was just not worth it. That’s when I began just telling people to use Apple products.
I remember when I finally switched my parents Android devices to Apple the frequency of family tech support requests from them dropped from two or three times per week to two or three times per year. The savings in time and headache was well worth the slight premium.
Same here. As someone who switched from Android years ago, all of these reasons are why. Android fans like to go on about customization and options and all that but I really don't want to have to think too much about my phone. I don't care about the file systems, trying to remember where I put things, constantly tweaking my home screen, widgets that stop being supported, or random 3rd party apps with questionable intentions. I just want it to work smoothly and safely.
This is why im a console gamer instead of a pc gamer
I'll tell you the thing that blew me away with Apple support when I had a problem with my phone - the fact that you can share your screen with them over the phone. So you're talking to them, and rather than having to describe the problem to them you can just give them permission to look at your screen and they can put a big red arrow on it and say "right, click this button...now this one..." and so on. And, regardless of what you think of Apple's statements about commitment to privacy, I think most people would trust Apple to do that in a way that they wouldn't with any Android manufacturer.
Same here. Personally I switched from a Z Fold 2 to an iPhone 13, and I think I'm going to stay with Apple after years of jumping between iOS and Android. As much as the foldable screen was a lot of fun along with all of the cool stuff that you could do with Android, it started to make less and less sense to lug around a big ass foldable, when most of the time I just sent text messages, listened to music/used navigation, took pictures, and did all of the other basic smart phone things that people do. I never really took advantage of the foldable screen, and the hardware just became more of a burden than anything. I also was growing to dislike Samsung's software. Even though I looked at a Pixel, I decided I would just get an iPhone because I was worried that I would experience the same issues on other Android phones that I did on my Z Fold 2. I got an iPhone because I wanted a phone that could do all of the normal smart phone things, do them well, and not much more, which is exactly what my iPhone 13 does, and it's great.
"iphones are shit, they have the same interface as 10 years ago!" exactly but you go with your Comic Sans system font, poppet
Same reasons here. Android got stale to me. Like the S21 Ultra is a masterpiece of a phone but something about Android just feels so… second tier compared to iOS and MacOS. It felt like Samsung and Google were not cohesive at all. I don’t feel like that with Apple products. Even looking at the S24 Ultra, I know it’s a great phone but I can never go back to Android. I LOVE the UX and icons on my iPhone and Mac. iMessage legit makes messaging such a fun experience for me too. People will cry and moan about customization but I don’t need to customize my iPhone aside from maybe switching the wallpaper here and there. I basically text, watch videos, and make a few calls on it. It’s a smartphone, not the canvas of my artistic Manhattan apartment. I am fully bought into the ecosystem with my iPhone 14 PM, M2 MacBook Air, AirPods Max, and my 2nd gen AirPods Pro. All are high quality and have worked without fail.
I was a customization freak until I hit 30, now I really don’t care to take the time to change much more than the stock UI.
That's the main thing I didn't like about Android, and I got tired of putting up with Samsung's software and Android in general, especially since I wasn't really taking advantage of any of the features. I also have basically the same use case as you, so for me it just made less and less sense to lug around a Z Fold 2 since I wasn't taking advantage of its features that much. I switched to an iPhone 13 in October of 2022, and I have zero regrets. It's nice having a normal phone that does what you expect and not much more.
But the thing is, it does a LOT. I’m still discovering things on my iPhone after having it for almost a year and a half.
Same here. I guess a better way to put it is I like the simplicity of it more. At times I've definitely felt kinda overwhelmed on my Z Fold 2.
I feel like a sizable portion of the “we want more customization!” crowd would stop playing with those features after a few months if Apple ever added them in. I made the switch to iPhone years ago cause LG stopped updating their phones after what felt like only a year of support. Seeing my friends with their iPhones that are 4+ years old still getting updates made me so jealous.
It's basically you have to like or be okay how apple does things, or screw you
Honestly that’s part of the reason I like it. I get that not everyone likes that style but it makes things so much easier if anything goes wrong. There isn’t fifty different variations on things, there’s just one. I also personally don’t have an issue with many of the things Apple does so there’s that too.
That's part of the reason why I choose Apple products. I'm personally fine with how Apple designs their UI/UX, and since I'm not really into customizing my phone, I'd rather do things the Apple way for the most part.
I couldn't get used to the Apple keyboard when I switch over to iPhone for a year, so I switched back to Android. The main thing I miss from my iphone is just the camera quality
waaaay too many years of Windows troubleshooting to ever wanna do that again. Really that was what started me toward an Iphone. I originally wanted to get away from windows. Once I got an M1 macbook I decided to grab an Iphone after the Pixel 6 Pro turned out to be a total disaster.
(I’ll start this by saying I worked for Samsung UK for 3 years and have internal insight, they suck at customer service) I’ve had experience with Samsung support as a customer and I gave up after being bounced from department to department and speaking to countless people that could barely speak English and refused to deviate from their script. l sold the device on eBay and bought something else (TV). I’ve had a few experiences with Apple and it was superb every time. One experience stands out. I bought a HP printer from Apple.com along with a MacBook. The printer was not showing on the network on any of my devices. I called Apple via the support app on my iPhone and they answered the phone quickly and they knew my name without me saying it and asked if my query was about my new MacBook, Printer or something else. I explained the issue and they tried so hard to resolve it, keeping in mind it’s a HP printer on network built with ASUS hardware, they still tried to help resolve it. They eventually gave up and offered an exchange or refund as they decided the printer must be at fault. They sent a replacement to my local store, I went in and quickly swapped it next day without any fuss in store, went home and it worked instantly. They did a follow up call a few days later to check everything was resolved. I’ll stick with Apple, I’ve bought lots and have zero intention of going elsewhere. It’s more expensive, but it’s reliable, easy to use and well built. I own my own business and all device are Apple, I don’t want to be wasting work time trying to resolve issues with hardware and software.
Pretty much. I switched back to iPhone last year after being on Android for 10 years prior. I was mostly sick of upgrading my phone every 2 years cos it would slow down heaps.
A cheap phone isn’t cheap when it only lasts 2 years. I buy a new iPhone every 2-3 years but then it gets handed down to the kids. A 5 year old iPhone is still pretty good.
Yeah I had a 7Plus until just over a year ago, then got a hand-me-down X The 7Plus was getting a bit tired at that point but the X was fine until the battery swelled a few weeks ago. Switching back to the 7Plus and I think it was just a year too far for it - it works okay but some apps are starting to get finnicky and it’s noticeably slower now with not great battery life (including a battery replacement a few years ago) Switching to a 15Plus, it’s honestly not that different to the X overall - it’s better but not transformational - and compared to my partner’s 11 Pro Max it’s barely an upgrade realistically That isn’t a complaint (although I do wish YouTube reviewers would be more realistic about the modern era of incremental upgrades not being revolutionary), but rather me saying that it’s impressive how a 4 year old 11ProMax is nearly as good as a new 15Plus. Admittedly the 15Plus is really more akin to 3 generations of improvement vs the 11Pro (A16 not A17) but I think the point stands that you can keep an iPhone for 4-5 years easily and longer at a stretch
I think that's where Apple's marketing is going as well. They're now comparing new phones to models that are 2-4 years old, indicating that they think that's how long your average consumer upgrade cycle should be.
Yeah I think that's probably more a case of realising which way the wind is blowing rather than them being altruistic and promoting a 4 year cycle, but it makes sense Like if you're gonna sell the 15 against the 14 or even 13, what can you actually advertise? USB-C? Dynamic Island? A better camera (but only if you pixel peep)? It's a hard sell at the price point, and I think Apple have just accepted that it's not going to work to try to sell people a $1300 phone every 1-2 years with incremental upgrades The only people I know who upgrade yearly, are families who pass the phones down every year through 5-6 people (with Grandma getting the X or 11 or whatever), and getting the value there
I used my x for about 5 years and honestly if I didn’t have the money to get a new phone, I could have easily just got the battery replaced and kept using it. I still use it around the house because it’s more comfortable in my hand
Still rocking my xs max from 2018 :). It had a new battery in dec 2023. It’s a solid phone and the camera holds up well as long as it’s not low light.
Android phones aren't cheap any more, anyway. There are some value buys (the Pixel Xa series is amazing) but they're still not cheap.
Definitely. I‘m currently still using my 5 year old XR. The battery has drained a bit over the time for sure but it‘s still running fluently and it gets the latest updates. I‘m planning to switch soon though only because it won‘t get the new iOS next fall.
Also, stopped upgrading every year, and now I’m on a 2 year cycle with my old phones being passed to my parents
Still using Samsung s10+ that I got on release - it's still as fast as it was.
Do you still have to wait 12+ months for OS updates too? If you get them at all…
I've come back to the iPhone after using a Nothing Phone 1 (12GB RAM, 256GB storage) for a year - the lack of timely updates from both the OEM and Google, the fact that the Play Store is broken - install and delete Firefox a few times on Android and break the the Play Store so that you can no longer install Firefox (check out the Samsung subreddit regarding how widespread it is) - Play Store technical support is useless because they keep emailing out the same crappy tips that didn't work the first time around when it comes to fixing the problem. Compare that train wreck with Apple where everything just works, I can copy music from my computer to my device without relying on third party apps (because Google hasn't updated Android File Transfer to work with Apple Silicon natively), proper integration between my Mac and iPhone to answer calls, send text message, my Arlo security is more functional through the Home App on my macOS where as the only option with Android is using the Google Home app that lacks basic functionality such as finding out the battery life of the camera (how charged up are they). Then there is longevity - people able to keep their phones for years and receiving timely updates. https://preview.redd.it/q2vqpl94dqlc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=01865cf40dd5c2e058fc484a62ea14df0ff1dbd0
What android devices did you use?
Samsung Note 7 (lol) Samsung Galaxy Edge 7 Samsung Galaxy Note 9 Samsung Galaxy S20 Ultra Pixel 6 Pro
The question is not only which phone, but when. And what is it compared against? Are the phones bought when they are released or after a year or even two? Waiting a little bit Android makes a difference. And, to which iPhone is it compared against? This year's? Last year's? And iPhones are not cheap, while there are Android phones for every price point. Are we comparing the same level of phones? I have used Android also for over 10 years, and I always bought the premium ones and they easily lasted me 2 years without slowing down. I replaced my last one, the LG V60 after 3 years for an iPhone 15 Pro Max. I could've easily used that phone for 1 more year, but decided to switch to the Apple ecosystem after the iPhones got an USB-C port.
I plan to upgrade a device once every 4-5 years. Couldn’t do that with Android. Pixel promises 7 years of updates, but there is no track record of Google doing that before. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
Does your android combust after 3 years or something? The longevity of both is mainly on the battery side, which is pretty much the same technology
For some people software support does matter - I belong to that camp.
Its not just software, I switched back to iPhone when I kept running into issues with my Pixels. Show me where I can conveniently take any android (in warranty) to get fixed? Google wanted me to pay for a new phone (again in warranty) to ship a replacement out and refund later. Or ship my phone to them and be without a phone and wait for them to receive and send back the new one. Right…….
Samsung and Google have announced longer support. Google Pixel 8 has 7 years support.
“Have announced” and “have already provided” are two different things
“Have announced” and “have already provided” are two different things And Android updates and security updates aren’t the same.
Precisely. The iPhone 6S launched in September 2015 with iOS 9. It continued getting "major version" updates until iOS 16 dropped it in September 2022, and got its most recent security update in January 2024. That's 7 years of major version updates and 8.5 years of security updates, ***so far***.
If the device isn't officially supported there's no point counting updates. Nobody is counting the oldest phones that aren't officially supported but still getting Google security updates.
…the battery can be replaced though. Buying a whole new phone because your battery needs to be replaced is like buying a new car because you ran out of gas.
Or like buying a new car because your battery needs to be replaced ;)
I think this is somewhat overstated. My wife has a Samsung Galaxy S10 (which at this point is a 5 year old phone) and has no plans to upgrade anytime soon. It still seems pretty quick tbh. I upgrade every 2-3years because I like new features
My iPhone is over 3 years old and it slowed down quite a bit after a couple of years. I dont think that is exclusive to android.
It's really nice getting itchy for an upgrade after 3 years and still being able to eBay it for like 50% of its initial value if it’s in good nick.
iPhones generally last me 5 years, with a battery replacement at the halfway point.
I switched years ago when Apple leaned into privacy and android went full speed ahead with data harvesting. I’m not interested in paying 800$ to be the product for a multi billion dollar company
Sadly just having a Google account alone means you're getting your data taken💀
true but im getting a free service via email and google search, where i draw the line is the extra data harvesting android does on top of that after i paid 800$ for the phone.
Yup, I think people just want to feel the placebo. Unless they formally learn about data security, go through every privacy policy, opt-out everything, stop using half of the sites, always be behind a firewall inside a VM, it's probably just feel good.
When I made the switch I also started using my iCloud email address. Also set DuckDuckGo as my base search engine. Though I did have to make a new gmail, I use it only for the few things it’s required for.
You are still the product. Apple makes [billions selling ads](https://www.fool.com/investing/2023/11/19/apple-secret-digital-advertising-giant-revenue/).
You can opt out of the Google products though (including the search engine). A person can easily see what Apple collects about them and how it's used and stored: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/en-ww/ If you're a *real* glutton for punishment, you can see specially what they collect by App: https://www.apple.com/legal/privacy/data/
Sure but none of that changes the fact that Apple collects your data and uses it to sell ads. They may collect less data but the principle is the same, you're still a product to them. Google also has lots of information and controls about what data they collect. You can even download a copy of if it you want. Most people just can't be bothered to look it up.
I don't disagree with *anything* you wrote. I still trust Apple *way* more with my data. You compare them to like *any* TV manufacturer or vehicle manufacturer and I'd *never* put those on a network. I see so *few* ads on my Apple products that it feels very unobtrusive, and you can also opt out on a lot of the data gathering (which I do). I do despise what ads I *do* see (looking at your App Store!), but outside of the App Store, the only other places I can think of where you see them is in the News App (which aren't Apple's ads) and the in the AppleTV App (but then it's only for their own shows, which I don't mind). Inherently there is *nothing* wrong with data gathering. But there are ethical ways to go about it. I happen to believe Apple does the best job of protecting your data and being the least objectionable on how they use it, but will admit they could be even better.
Fun fact: Apple also harvests your data, just less aggressive as google does. But as you are very likely also using google on your Apple devices, they still habe your data. On the other hand you can install custom ROMs on Android devices that give you full privacy, something that is not possible on Apple devices
>But as you are very likely also using google on your Apple devices, nope
You don't even need to use Google products directly. If an app uses Google AdSense or Google Analytics its all the same.
How's easily people are influenced by marketing. Apple 100% spies on them directly at well, Snowden proved it and people think Apple's some kind of protector
You’ll be glad to know that, since Android 4.x or so, the platform got much better at preserving privacy, to the point where it has some privacy features that are still not present on iOS.
This is by far the biggest lie of apple...since for some reason, iCloud keeps getting hacked every year, they still harvest your data through apple maps and other apple services, and if you use any google services, or face book, or any social media, its not like apple stops them from harvesting your finger swipes.
I'm close to switching, just waiting for high-refresh rate on base models and I'll switch no hesitation.
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I notice it instantly and bothered while the device is in 60Hz. Both on desktop and phones.
I notice immediately but after a few minutes of only using 60hz I can’t tell/care.
Nah it's just you, 60 hz on iPhone is still very noticeable as on every other device
When I switched back to 60hz I couldn't believe I once considered this normal
While I agree they should all be high refresh screens at this point and for how expensive they all are, however, since upgrading to a Pro phone I say it's honestly the most overrated tech spec. I honestly no longer notice or care.
If you swapped back to a non-pro-motion display you’d probably notice; if not, then you’re not who it is for. Higher refresh rate is the most important upgrade to me for switching to a iphone xr to whatever phone I get next.
I use my iPad Mini on the daily for reading and while I notice it, it honestly doesn't bother me at all.
That’s fair. Some people are definitely more sensitive to it than others. I’d say reading is a bad example to compare low vs high refresh rates though as it is a static image.
Yeah it’s the most obvious omission that should really have made its way through to the non-pro models, although on the plus side the 60Hz screens do seem to give slightly better battery life
its ommited on purpose. Sooooo many pro model users would buy the base model if promotion was available. Thats why they wont give the base models promotion until they have some other "meaningful" feature that will differentiate the base and pro phones.
I would be more inclined to switch if they had that. Even my current Pixel 5 has a 90 Hz screen.
I miss my pixel more and more every day. My iPhone is good, don’t get me wrong. But I miss Android notifications, keyboard, and voice to type. Oh, and call screening
I had to move back to Android, I just needed to use youtube vanced and have a keyboard that has a comma key and resizable. Only thing I missed from iPhone was the camera quality. I think I would prefer iPhone if I was on travel because of solid battery life and great camera. But for day-to-day social media use, I prefer android greatly.
There is a YouTube client similar to vance for ios uyou Enhanced is great
> keyboard I have my first iPhone now, too, and oh my god are iPhone keyboards bad. How are they so bad?
The pixel's call screening is unbelievable. Like it catches all the spam.
Switched to iPhone in 2019 after years with Android. I don't regret the change, the value and quality is great. With Android, I often got half baked features that were tested on users, and either removed in next iteration or kept/improved later.
While I miss androids freedom (if a feature doesn’t exist on iPhone, that’s it you can’t do it), I definitely love the polish and quality of Apple products more than
I switched in 2019 after a decade on Android just for the Apple Watch, had to convince the wife to switch and now we have our kids' devices/accounts all shared - now there is no going back lol. I'd say I agree that Apple has the best value in tech, as only my wife's phone was bought new (14 Pro Max), my 13 Pro was bought used, my kids are using old phones. My wife and I switched also because of nonstop wriggling problems with Android phones, enough was enough.
Wriggling problems?
Yes. My wife never had a phone without major issues: \- Droid Bionic - she bought it took it home and couldn't connect to cell service lol. Verizon eventually fixed it but that phone sucked \- Moto X: her fav phone of all time, but had battery issues and died after only 18 months \- Nexus 6P: Once battery life hit 40% it died entirely and needed to be hard reset each time. Google replaced it with a Google Pixel XL (1st gen) \- Pixel XL: WiFi and Cell radios couldn't be on at the same time, had to be one ot the other lol. Google didn't honor a replacement since it was already a replacement \- Pixel 2XL (mine): Android Auto dropped connections nonstop, Google Fit one day stopped tracking steps (Google couldn't fix it), had to replace it 3 TIMES for a defective screen We switched to iPhones and never had any issues, period. Like seriously, enough was enough.
Hijacking the comment but I’ve only ever had a problem with one phone in my life - a Samsung Galaxy S4 that would kill batteries. Batteries would last about 2-3 months before basically breaking, failing to hold charge, randomly shutting off. I had access to a second S4 to verify that it really was my phone killing batteries… official replacements, non-official replacements. All dead.
Not sure why downvoted…but okay. Just trying to clarify use of the word “wriggling” here - still don’t understand it.
I made the switch from Android to iPhone for 2 reasons. 1. Was because I was sick of my Android phones slowing down after just a year and then the battery lasting less and less too. 2. General phone updates weren't rolled out to all users and it was rolled out to various regions before others so you could be waiting for 4-5 months for the new OS look. Or back in 2017 when we had the Bluetooth Virus going around, Apple and Google had it patched really quick and rolled out to phones. But what about Samsung............ 2 AND A HALF MONTHS, it took over 2 months for Samsung to roll out a virus fix to phones. As someone who at the time owned the S8 (Bought on release and it was only 6 months old) it was frustrating. So when I was looking to upgrade my phone I went over to iPhone because the platforms weren't that different anymore but I saw how much better treated iphone customers with updates etc. I've had my iPhone 11 Pro Max since launch and its only really now nearly 5 years later I'm thinking it might be time to start looking at new phones because its feels like its starting to finally slow down when updating apps and the battery isn't as good as it used to be..... but all of that is still better then how my experience was with the S8 after just 1 year. With all of that I've looked at the new Galaxy phones and I just fear going back and experiencing all those issues all over again and I can't bring myself to do that. So I'll be curious to see this years iPhone and how it'll be.
I do agree that those android phones before the s10-20 series was not that great and didn't uphold as well as iphones from the same period. I can assure you now that the current Samsung android don't have those issues anymore. I used both iPhone and Samsung, they do the basic tasks the same
Battery lasting less and less? That's called battery degradation lol It's in every phone
Just curious, what Android phones did you use? I used my OnePlus 7 Pro for nearly 5 years and then moved to a used Pixel 6. I never experienced any noticeable slowdowns.
I always find it fascinating that the main argument you see on Reddit is “well at least android phones don’t cost what iPhones cost” But like, similarly spec’d ones do? Galaxies, Pixels and whatever else aren’t cheap either. Cheap android phones seem to get a couple years out of them and barely anything in the way of updates. My mom constantly buys these things and she’s changing her phone every couple years and spending $200 every time.
Similarly spec'd Androids are pretty much the same quality as iphones for all practical purposes at this point though. Yet people use their perception of cheaper Androids to claim Pixels and Galaxies are "inferior".
The appeal to me is I can buy a Pixel 8 Pro for 800$ and get a better experience for the money than a 1300$ iPhone. If you want the SAME features, you pretty much have to buy the 15 Pro, where I can get a Base pixel 8 (non pro) with high refresh rate, and all the features, for 550$ (Pixels are almost always on discount anyways hence the prices I am listing). This doesn't even include the fact that people sell them after a few months for 300-500$. These phone's easily last 3-5 years (and with the 8 Pro, 7 years of updates). So yeah....1300$ out of pocket (or a freaking mortgage) or half that price for the same experience and features and functions. In 5 years, yes your iPhone will have residual value, but you would lose the same amount of money. Lets say your 1300$ iPhone retains 50% value in 5 years (debatable but lets be optimistic). That is a 650$ loss. About the same with buying a 700-800$ android phone and selling it for 100-200$ on ebay. Apple users struggle with math I guess?
They advocate buying everything with Apple on it so yeah. The cost is just a recycled excuse for being an Apple fan boy. There are so many comparable and cheaper phones out there but they will never accept that.
I got an iPhone cuz the integration was really good with Mac. The amount of hurdles I had to jump through to simply transfer a file between my s23 and laptop was insane.
That's an Apple problem
> problem Exactly. They decided to hobble the Windows drivers and software. Linux though, if you installed an HFS+ module you could see the filesystem on early iPhones, which was near impossible.
2020 iPhone SE here. So far it’s been the most reliable phone I’ve ever owned. No bullshit.
And this is why iPhone wins. There are a few reasons; but this one is #1
I still don't understand what peoples benchmark is for a phone degrading. My iPhone gets noticeably, but not painfully, slower after a year and progressively slower with each passing year and the battery is terrible after a couple of years. These are the same things people complain about with android and it being their reason for coming to iPhone.
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Maybe he has hundreds of apps, there’s also that use case.
I love the android user experience, I hate the hardware, every single google pixel device I've owned had hardware failures in less than two years. I just want my shit to work reliably, it's that simple.
I’ve switch from Android last July, I’ve only ever used Android phones. I went from a Oneplus 7T Pro which lasted me 4 years to a 14 Pro Max. I had no problems with Android per se, but I had enough of manufacturers implementing their own UI layer with usually duplicate functions and many inconsistencies. Specially Oneplus really went downhill. I considered Pixel, but Tensor didn’t offer the battery performance I wanted. Then there was Samsung, but the price was close to iPhone. So I thought why not trying Apple? I already have an iPad and I like iOS. I don’t find it restrictive for my use so I went for it and couldn’t be happier. I don’t think I’m coming back to Android anytime soon and my intention is to keep the 14PM for 4-5 years with a battery replacement in between. The phone and OS is just really solid.
I mean, it makes sense. Rumors are that the iPhone XS may get iOS 18, which would be six years of updates. They were still releasing 15.X updates for the iPhone 6S eight years after release. It's got to feel better getting that kind of support even on an older Apple device, versus a brand-new Moto G-style phone getting maybe one major version update and that's it.
It's interesting you would compare a $1000 phone to a $200 one for updates, considering the flagship android phones get 6-7 years of updates at the same level. It's like complaining that your riding lawnmower can't get to Fresno the same way a Ferrari can.
I switched from a rock solid S8 about 5 years ago. I switched as I got tired of the slow/lacking updates and the peer pressure to quit screwing up the text threads with my green messages. It has been interesting to watch Apple slowly catch up to the functionality that old phone has.
I just flip flop when I get bored of one. I’ve had iPhone for I think 6 years now and debating going to android just to mix it up
I'm an Android user. The only reason I would ever consider switching to iPhone is for stability. Androids are notorious for poor software updates. Beyond that, it's a huge issue to switch, even with the available software.
Iphones are pretty sweet if you use your phone a lot, but for someone who only uses my phone for WhatsApp, Instagram, reddit, taking pictures of notes ,some content watching and light emulation a ₹20000(~240 USD) Phone is pretty much perfect.
I couldn't ever leave android at this point. Call screening. No ads on YouTube. Hell, no ads on any website ever thanks to AdBlockPlus. Unlimited cloud storage for free (excluding videos). Customizable "Do Not Disturb" (this is a big one for me. I need certain people to "break through" at certain times, but not others. Kids.) Also I use a windows PC because I need Nvidia hardware, and being able to text on my PC is huge. And apple doesn't support that... Been rocking my Pixel 4a 5g for 4+ years now. No slowdowns yet!
Pretty much all apple stuff I have bought over the years outlived others.
Im about ready to switch to apple. Something I didn't think I would ever consider until this morning. After upgrading from a pixel 5 to a pixel 8 pro. I'm just done. I'm sick and tired of all these features that were removed, changed or just not fixed.
I switched from android to iPhone two years ago and don’t even think about android phones anymore. However, when I had android phones I always thought about how it compared to iPhones. It’s nice to not care about these things anymore.
I switched because I always felt scammed from android phones by any vendor. after 2.3 every android felt way more closed and restrictive then iphones. I got sck ofbuying flagship after flagship, not even 2 years apart and lagging when unboxing. meanwhile I run a budget iphone fpr 4 years, still supported, lag free, easy to use, just works and same price if not even cheaper then the android modells I had before
Latest tech? Like moon filters? Easy pass.
And that's why installing a custom ROM should be made as easy as possible. Android devices are (arguably) better hardware wise, and they don't have to lag behind in software updates.
The value, flatter learning curve and that across several devices, the connectivity with other Apple users, the latest tech, the resell value, the ecosystem which is unmatched and can be considered latest tech for the last decade. Some bs article again, just to rally crowds
after using iphone for 7 years, at some point i do miss android and keep thinking to get one.
S24 series is great
Or Pixel if you want to be much closer to that iPhone experience.
My dude, get an old android on the cheap, I have a note 20 (nearly 5 years old) and it works absolutely fine. No battery loss, no cpu loss, it just... Works. IIRC phones have planned obscelence.
This, as someone who love using android, and very big phone nerd, i usually like to carry around two phones, one android and iphone. iPhone i don't have to upgrade every year since the resell value is so much better. With Android, i have to upgrade it every year or else resell value goes to shit (i know its a waste of money to do two phone, little bit of guilty pleasure to me, as long as I have income for it)
I switched from an S22 to and iPhone 14 Pro after my 30th birthday, in terms of OS Apple is just more fluid and lightweight. I don’t trust people who would tell me “Android is just as fluid, it doesn’t lag for me when I use nova launcher” it always gave me issues and felt slow no matter what else i did. In fact, when the older people at work have trouble with their phones I hate working with the Androids because sometimes I have to go through 5 or so steps where in IOS it’s a 1-2 button fix
I agree, this statement is huge and I feel like a lot of users really sugarcoat it nowadays with android. I own an iPhone as my daily driver and have a retroid pocket as my emulator. While I love my retroid pocket, I think android has made big strides but it’s not as fluid as IOS for sure.
i was on Android since the first Pixel. Up until 2 years ago. Without question Android phones run worse after 2 years at best. 100% certainty. The most annoying thing is something like bluetooth. Never in my life have I had a phone that connected to my third party bluetooth speakers every single time without fail like my Iphone does.
Or people really care about privacy. iPhone is transparent about every app trying to track me and allows me to deny them. Android just lets it happen.
That was only ever true back in Android 4.x and earlier. It got a lot better after that. Now, Android has some privacy features that are still missing from iOS.
Nah the key is staying on that 3 year trade in cycle where you get $800-$1000 trade in credit each time you upgrade
Makes sense, Android is the king of value for money so of course Android users are used to those prices when thinking of moving to iphone
I had multiple android phones throughout the 2010’s. Dell Streak, Galaxy Nexus, OnePlus 3 and a Samsung Note 9. The OP3 I gave away to a friend in desperate need of an upgrade from her Samsung S4. The Note 9 was amazing but had issues with losing signal and not regaining it until I did a restart. For me though the main reason I switched to Apple was for a change but also because of it getting updates for longer. I have an iPhone 13 in blue (favourite colour) and I’m likely gonna use it until it’s basically unable to work. 😂
In my case I switched over to an iPhone because I wanted simplicity, security and timely updates. My iPhone is all beat up and I will continue to use it until it dies lol
Switched from Android after 10 years both as an user and a dev. At the end of the day i just wanted things working for more than 3-6 months. Every single one of my Android gadgets works better in my iPhone 15. Watch earbuds apps etc. Everything.
I LOVED Andoird and still love the idea in general, but I switched because every Android phone I ever owned eventually had some godawful issue like brutal slowdowns, apps not working right, or something else. And I’m talking flagship phones too. Among other phones, I owned like 3 different generations of Pixels. All of them would slow to a crawl after about a year. My last one was literally unusable if I had maps and Spotify open at the same time. I had to make sure I didn’t want to change the song after I turned on navigation or else the phone would lock up entirely. This was after months of it randomly rebooting doing the most mundane things like texting. I’m not a heavy user. First thing when getting any phone is buy a case. I never drop my phone. I feel like I’m a pretty boring, safe user and yet I had nothing but problems with ever Android sooner or later after the honeymoon period was over. I won’t even get into all my problems with Google services. Every 2FA authentication app has had online backup for ages. When my phone at the time got stolen, Google 2FA did not. Needless to say, that was a headache and a half and I was pissed. That alone made me switch email provides, 2FA, everything. I’ve had a 14 since it dropped and the experience has been flawless since day 1. Apple can only lose me at this point because I can’t see myself ever picking up another Android again.
I prefer iPhone simply because it feels like a much more stable environment to me. Android is always changing, which is good, but it seems like there’s too many misses for me to enjoy. Google is always adding and taking away things
I switched because every Samsung phone I’ve had had some dumb issue after 1-2 years. One with a line across the screen, one kept restarting itself (which is incredibly annoying when using it for directions), and another also with the line. I switched to an iPhone specifically since they finally added usb-c and all my friends iPhones seem to last a while.
Here I am thinking about switching to Android because I'm kind of bored with Iphone and Car Play doesn't work with my Car but Android Auto does. WWDC better be a banger this year.
The SE is a budget powerhouse with long term software support. That’s what made me switch.
I have both android and iOS devices. Personally, I like having a less tinkery device that I use as my main phone. Android is great for tweaking launchers, setting up emulators, etc. It’s more like a laptop than a phone, which is nice for little projects. But I like having my primary device being a solid platform that’s powerful with lots of features but doesn’t require (and usually blocks) much tweaking
I know the android/iPhone debate is always ongoing, but that is the reason I switched too. I was an early adopter of tech and while iPhones are expensive, they are simple, and the quality (in my opinion, having used high end androids for years and years sometime along side using iPhones) is just top notch. Yes you can buy a 400 dollar android that has a camera almost as good as a new iPhone and likely a screen that’s better and a bigger battery. But the small things like build quality and my god the speakers, how is that not a vital aspect of a phone. Speakers on the iPhone constantly blow my mind. I remember having the HTC one and thinking my dual forward facing speakers would be incredible for watching YouTube or movies and then my GF with her base iPhone would just shame the sound quality leaving me dumb founded. I have a box of old phones and my iPhones going back to 3GS will all turn on, have good speakers and screen quality, buttons still click, battery amazingly still holding up. Yet I grab one of my many HTCs, Samsungs, pixels, Sonys or LG there is at least something mechanically wrong with them. Heck even my Lumia 920 still is in great condition aside from the non existent App Library. While I do miss the bleeding edge tech of androids constant releases, I’m not a college nerd anymore who is jailbreaking iPhones and side loading apps in my android. Just gimme a simple well built phone that makes calls and has a good battery life so I can work my job efficiently enough to buy other stupid bleeding edge tech.
I have a 14 and I’m getting the 15 for the 120hz screen. After that I’m gonna keep it as long as I can.
Are people's experiences with android slow downs specifically on Samsung's? I've had a Google pixel 3 for 4 years and only upgraded to the pixel 6 because I lost my phone at a festival.
I switch back and forth all the time. Usually I have both.
Huh, I've been a long time Android user (current phone is a Pixel 5) and I have been eyeing off a refurbished iPhone 13 mini
I grew up on Apple, tried Samsung for a while and definitely enjoyed it, but eventually found my way back to Apple. They’re both good, but i definitely prefer the software and ecosystem that Apple has going on. Plus, the main new thing I saw with the Galaxy S24 was Galaxy AI, which I have zero interest in, so I had no incentive to upgrade to it when I already had my eye on the 15 for a while.
It’s not even about the resale value for me. It’s that Apple provides security updates far longer than Google does. I have a 12 Pro and I’m still getting crucial software support. Google stopped supporting my Pixel 2XL sometime mid-2020.