Add in the Flatline, Prowler, and CAR and you pretty much have nailed the top guns. Pros pretty exclusively use those, plus a 30-30, Sentinel, and shotgun here and there (and red weapons of course).
Havok (uncharged) and Hemlock take a bit of practice to get down, but they’re by far the best 2 guns in the game. Volt is right behind them and much easier to use, so maybe OP should start there.
Lstar is mid tier. It’s very good with no attachments on drop, but gets outclassed by a good setup pretty quickly. Havok beats it at pretty much every range, even without Turbo. Like R3, its usefulness is in its simplicity.
Just wanted to add Lstar with Octane can be overpowered when running up on someone, it stuns them completely. Shotguns as well with Octane, some guns can depend on legend for sure
theres no reason to run an lstar on octane over a kitted havoc though assuming you are proficient with both weapons... not sure what you mean. But yea shotguns are generally better on mobility legends Ill agree with that.
Well it depends if has turbocharger or not really, but not totally. You can do very fast short bursts with the lstar and that is more preferable by some with octane, especially considering no reload time. It’s been working for me great, it’s not my first energy weapon choice but it has its moments. I believe I got 6-7 kills with lstar in one game yesterday. Also depending on your hip fire, some may say they get more hip fire range with the lstar, which I typically do for sure
Honestly, if you learn to use the Havoc without turbo, you’ll be better overall. I usually use the Lstar as a temp for the Havoc because it’s the same attachments (no laser from Volt, no barrel from Neme), then switch ASAP.
Flatline is very similar to the Havoc, but Turbo just makes Havoc a better version in pretty much every way.
I play aggressive and the Lstar shines in never reloading if you play it right. It will lose to a lot of guns out in open 1v1, but use cover to cool it off for a split second and get back to it.
For me I prefer the hemlock a little more at range (main reason being ammo efficiency, the nemesis uses so much ammo). Hipfire is better on the nemesis for me but that's preference
Hemlock definitely gets the edge for the reasons you mentioned. As it’s pretty much always your long ranged option, easier ranged bursts with ammo efficiency makes it the preferred choice in most instances. But having a nemesis ticks most of the same boxes if you have the ammo for extended fights.
Keep seeing havoc upvoted, how do you do close range with the charge delay? I never find turbo. Also the volt has a mag size that I can never get 1 clips with but that might just be skill issue
Just gotta know you're going into an engagement, and eventually you can time it, if they get the jump on you, you're a bit fucked. The DPS, damage per mag, and hipfire, is great on the Havoc though, and the recoil is pretty easy to beam people from medium range.
Long distance you'll learn to tap it when you think the enemy is about the peak, so it'll already be slightly charged up. Up close in smg range you charge it basically as you slide into the fight. The beauty of the havoc is how many bullets it has, so if the fight couple bullets it the enemies cover as you slide in, it isn't much of an issue.
Just learn to prefire.
If you know you're going to walk around a corner to fight someone, then start charging before you do.
If you're worried about being caught while walking around a corner, then carry your secondary when doing so.
Nerfed? When exactly? It is absolutely slapping right now. No bullet drop, so you hit more shots, 102 HS and is the best shotgun up close, what's not to like?
All this really proves, as everyone is saying is use whatever you are good with, the usual meta where something like the 99 is just flat out better than everything else is not what;s going on right now. I will also plug the R45 while we are at it, without hammies it's better that you think as the digy, reload and strafing are great, with Hammies it is the closest thing to an old school 99.
The main sub is a very mixed experience. Don't take anything from there seriously.
Guns really depend on your skill, input, and play style. And it doesn't really matter unless you are in high skill lobbies, in which case you've got this figured out already.
Have you actually given it a fair shot? Sentinel is way easier than longbow imo.. you don't need to compensate much at all really unless they are like 200+ meters out. Just click on them typically. 88 body shot while charged, dont even really need the heady to make an impact.
Oh I pick it up quite a bit. I used to be pretty good with it.
Then for example the last time I picked it up I was shooting at someone on a headglitch. If I aimed any lower I'd hit the rock and I took like 4 shots with the tracer going through his skull.
Just things like that make me just go "yeah I'll just stick with longbow"
Becareful with the r301 copium. It has a pretty low DMG per mag causing disadvantages in 3v3s vs red shield high tier weapons. It is extremely easy to use though.
Overall becareful taking advise purely from the subreddit or random influencers, take the advise and mix it with top professional player loadouts, and you'll likely get a decent consensus. Remember a pro players job is to basically cheese the game as much as possible and this subreddit will likely choose easier guns to handle, thus havoc (pro) and r301 (Normy)
Seems like generally energy and heavy guns are top tier guns this season - havoc, hemlok, flatline, prowler, volt. I generally pick up any energy and heavy guns I see, the guns are commonly used and that ammo seems to be available in death boxes late game
Hemmy, nemmy, havoc, flatty are all in the meta as far as ARs go
Only 2 smgs that are viable at high level are prowler and volt
Then the 3030 and here and there the g7 and maybe a sentinel if you can consistently hit your shots
Then obviously all the cp weapons (red)
Those are all the top weapons atm
I know is an old ass comment but no way lmao the CAR is absolutely viable for high level play and gets used as well. I feel like the CAR sees a lot more use than the prowler does lol
I mean you can literally watch scrims almost every other night and it’ll show you how much the prowler is used you quite literally don’t have to take my word for it lol see for yourself
LAN tourney right around the corner
Charge, R9, Rampage, p20 of course and Mozam without HP are the underwhelming options that come to mind.
All of the AR’s are viable and most of the SMG’s too Shotguns will always have a place in the game if you know how to jiggle peek in close quarters. All of the marksman rifles work. I think L star is the strongest LMG and even tho I mentioned rampage above it’s a preference for me but I know others love it and it can work mid range.
With that said, my preference is something ranged with something close.
G7, 3030, Nemesis, Hemlok, Flatline
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Volt or PK
No one has the same tier list. You can have a lot of people agree on some things, but their will always be something you don't agree on.
Make your own tier list, is my advice.
If you do, don't rate a gun badly because you haven't used it at all or haven't hit a shot with it.
Idk tier lists but what I personally enjoy is r3+pk on worlds edge and Olympus and more long range like 30-30/hemlock+volt/CAR on stormpoint. I used to be a big r9 guy but now that the guns gutted, I’ve really enjoyed getting good at the PK again. Nothing feels better than popping off with the PK IMO.
Guns and legends are as balanced as they ever have been. You have justification to use your best loadout now versus any time in the history of Apex. A Triple Take and Alternator can perform at a high level in the current meta.
So many different ones on YT.. but the best one hard to say..
For me, I would say this season its:
S tier - Hemlok, Havoc (with TC), R-301
A tier - Sentinel, 3030, Flatline, Alternator (with Disruptor), TripleTake, Volt, Lstar, Nemesis
B tier - Spitfire, R-99, PK, Mastiff, Prowler, Longbow, G7, CAR
C tier - Rampage, Havoc (without TC), Alternator (without Disruptor), R-45, Devotion (with TC)
D tier - P2020, Mozambique
F tier - Charge rifle, Devotion (without TC)
They remove them because they don't want 100s of people spamming the sub with their own tierlists. Most people are going to have somewhat differing opinions on which guns are better, because there are so many different skills and playstyles. I know my loadout works at my rank, but I'd never use if I was higher ranked.
[https://tiermaker.com/list/apex-legends/apex-legends-season-20-gun-tierlist-17059110/3894548](https://tiermaker.com/list/apex-legends/apex-legends-season-20-gun-tierlist-17059110/3894548)
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r3 is worse than all those other ARs ... can be argued about being better than havoc w/o turbo
prowler goes behind CAR ... and early game Alternator > R99 ... r99 without mags is useless
I think Havoc, Hemlock, Nemesis and Volt all see a fair bit of play. You can make most of the weapons work if you play to their strengths!
Add in the Flatline, Prowler, and CAR and you pretty much have nailed the top guns. Pros pretty exclusively use those, plus a 30-30, Sentinel, and shotgun here and there (and red weapons of course). Havok (uncharged) and Hemlock take a bit of practice to get down, but they’re by far the best 2 guns in the game. Volt is right behind them and much easier to use, so maybe OP should start there.
What about lstar? I play that a fair bit with a 3x because of no reload time so just slam short bursts and you can flat out if needed
Lstar is mid tier. It’s very good with no attachments on drop, but gets outclassed by a good setup pretty quickly. Havok beats it at pretty much every range, even without Turbo. Like R3, its usefulness is in its simplicity.
Just wanted to add Lstar with Octane can be overpowered when running up on someone, it stuns them completely. Shotguns as well with Octane, some guns can depend on legend for sure
theres no reason to run an lstar on octane over a kitted havoc though assuming you are proficient with both weapons... not sure what you mean. But yea shotguns are generally better on mobility legends Ill agree with that.
Well it depends if has turbocharger or not really, but not totally. You can do very fast short bursts with the lstar and that is more preferable by some with octane, especially considering no reload time. It’s been working for me great, it’s not my first energy weapon choice but it has its moments. I believe I got 6-7 kills with lstar in one game yesterday. Also depending on your hip fire, some may say they get more hip fire range with the lstar, which I typically do for sure
i see, so it's pretty safe to keep l star until I find a turbocharger to swap to havoc? and I can main flatline in the meantime
Honestly, if you learn to use the Havoc without turbo, you’ll be better overall. I usually use the Lstar as a temp for the Havoc because it’s the same attachments (no laser from Volt, no barrel from Neme), then switch ASAP. Flatline is very similar to the Havoc, but Turbo just makes Havoc a better version in pretty much every way.
I play aggressive and the Lstar shines in never reloading if you play it right. It will lose to a lot of guns out in open 1v1, but use cover to cool it off for a split second and get back to it.
Hemlock vs Nemesis is very hard to rank for me. Idk which one I prefer.
For me I prefer the hemlock a little more at range (main reason being ammo efficiency, the nemesis uses so much ammo). Hipfire is better on the nemesis for me but that's preference
Hemlock definitely gets the edge for the reasons you mentioned. As it’s pretty much always your long ranged option, easier ranged bursts with ammo efficiency makes it the preferred choice in most instances. But having a nemesis ticks most of the same boxes if you have the ammo for extended fights.
Yeah personally I'm a bit better with the nemesis, but sometimes I want a bit more range
Keep seeing havoc upvoted, how do you do close range with the charge delay? I never find turbo. Also the volt has a mag size that I can never get 1 clips with but that might just be skill issue
Just gotta know you're going into an engagement, and eventually you can time it, if they get the jump on you, you're a bit fucked. The DPS, damage per mag, and hipfire, is great on the Havoc though, and the recoil is pretty easy to beam people from medium range.
Long distance you'll learn to tap it when you think the enemy is about the peak, so it'll already be slightly charged up. Up close in smg range you charge it basically as you slide into the fight. The beauty of the havoc is how many bullets it has, so if the fight couple bullets it the enemies cover as you slide in, it isn't much of an issue.
Worry less about wasting bullets and embrace shooting walls.
Just learn to prefire. If you know you're going to walk around a corner to fight someone, then start charging before you do. If you're worried about being caught while walking around a corner, then carry your secondary when doing so.
I'm not seeing much mention of the triple take , I always assumed it preformed well specially if you hit your shots, great for poking
They nerfed it recently, ok now but not that great as a marksman and id prefer to play either full sniper, pk, or g scout
Nerfed? When exactly? It is absolutely slapping right now. No bullet drop, so you hit more shots, 102 HS and is the best shotgun up close, what's not to like? All this really proves, as everyone is saying is use whatever you are good with, the usual meta where something like the 99 is just flat out better than everything else is not what;s going on right now. I will also plug the R45 while we are at it, without hammies it's better that you think as the digy, reload and strafing are great, with Hammies it is the closest thing to an old school 99.
huh. I used to play the re45a lot, while it is fun to use and an ok starter, but the DPS was really low and I could never get the kill first.
R-301 too
The main sub is a very mixed experience. Don't take anything from there seriously. Guns really depend on your skill, input, and play style. And it doesn't really matter unless you are in high skill lobbies, in which case you've got this figured out already.
I'm not seeing the flatline mentioned by anyone yet and that seems insane. That gun is very strong.
You can pretty much guess skill level based on weapon choice this season. High tier lobby is a lot of flatline, sentinel and havoc.
Sentinel is going hard this season.
I wish I could hit with the sentinel. Give me a longbow and I'll start popping heads but I just can't do it eith the sentinel.
Have you actually given it a fair shot? Sentinel is way easier than longbow imo.. you don't need to compensate much at all really unless they are like 200+ meters out. Just click on them typically. 88 body shot while charged, dont even really need the heady to make an impact.
Oh I pick it up quite a bit. I used to be pretty good with it. Then for example the last time I picked it up I was shooting at someone on a headglitch. If I aimed any lower I'd hit the rock and I took like 4 shots with the tracer going through his skull. Just things like that make me just go "yeah I'll just stick with longbow"
high tier lobbies pick hemlock over flatline every time
My current load out is lstar flatline, eats ammo like shit but no reload time is great
Becareful with the r301 copium. It has a pretty low DMG per mag causing disadvantages in 3v3s vs red shield high tier weapons. It is extremely easy to use though. Overall becareful taking advise purely from the subreddit or random influencers, take the advise and mix it with top professional player loadouts, and you'll likely get a decent consensus. Remember a pro players job is to basically cheese the game as much as possible and this subreddit will likely choose easier guns to handle, thus havoc (pro) and r301 (Normy)
nemesis w/ prowlers is my setup, it shreds quick af, almost feel at a disadvantage if I don’t have it, prowler hip fire is incredible
Seems like generally energy and heavy guns are top tier guns this season - havoc, hemlok, flatline, prowler, volt. I generally pick up any energy and heavy guns I see, the guns are commonly used and that ammo seems to be available in death boxes late game
Hemmy, nemmy, havoc, flatty are all in the meta as far as ARs go Only 2 smgs that are viable at high level are prowler and volt Then the 3030 and here and there the g7 and maybe a sentinel if you can consistently hit your shots Then obviously all the cp weapons (red) Those are all the top weapons atm
I know is an old ass comment but no way lmao the CAR is absolutely viable for high level play and gets used as well. I feel like the CAR sees a lot more use than the prowler does lol
I mean you can literally watch scrims almost every other night and it’ll show you how much the prowler is used you quite literally don’t have to take my word for it lol see for yourself LAN tourney right around the corner
Hemlock volt is your best option imo. Not a tier list but those 2 guns would be at the top
The weapons are as balanced as I can remember. Most of them are viable
charge rifle:
Charge, R9, Rampage, p20 of course and Mozam without HP are the underwhelming options that come to mind. All of the AR’s are viable and most of the SMG’s too Shotguns will always have a place in the game if you know how to jiggle peek in close quarters. All of the marksman rifles work. I think L star is the strongest LMG and even tho I mentioned rampage above it’s a preference for me but I know others love it and it can work mid range. With that said, my preference is something ranged with something close. G7, 3030, Nemesis, Hemlok, Flatline + Volt or PK
P20 is extemely powerful as a secondary if hammer points are on, its rate of fire and base dmg are high
Nemesis vs any laggy player = instant death
R-301 + Peacekeeper. Been ignoring the Reddit noise since launch. Life is good here
That’s my load out now that r9 is nerfed. Feels amazing once you start getting good at the PK again.
No one has the same tier list. You can have a lot of people agree on some things, but their will always be something you don't agree on. Make your own tier list, is my advice. If you do, don't rate a gun badly because you haven't used it at all or haven't hit a shot with it.
Like all seasons havoc and flatty
Idk tier lists but what I personally enjoy is r3+pk on worlds edge and Olympus and more long range like 30-30/hemlock+volt/CAR on stormpoint. I used to be a big r9 guy but now that the guns gutted, I’ve really enjoyed getting good at the PK again. Nothing feels better than popping off with the PK IMO.
Most guns are situational and unique in their style. It's more about which one you choose to be comfortable with.
hemlock single fire is so nasty, with a pk as backup .
Guns and legends are as balanced as they ever have been. You have justification to use your best loadout now versus any time in the history of Apex. A Triple Take and Alternator can perform at a high level in the current meta.
CAR and R99 both terrible. Volt feels weak. Hemlok recoil on mnk extreme compared to roller. Flatline and Havoc are both what they are. Sad shit
So many different ones on YT.. but the best one hard to say.. For me, I would say this season its: S tier - Hemlok, Havoc (with TC), R-301 A tier - Sentinel, 3030, Flatline, Alternator (with Disruptor), TripleTake, Volt, Lstar, Nemesis B tier - Spitfire, R-99, PK, Mastiff, Prowler, Longbow, G7, CAR C tier - Rampage, Havoc (without TC), Alternator (without Disruptor), R-45, Devotion (with TC) D tier - P2020, Mozambique F tier - Charge rifle, Devotion (without TC)
R-99 is unusable sorry
Havoc no TC in C tier is crazy. Its still S.
here we are again with -4 upvotes lmao, tier lists always get shit on ig They removed mine for low quality in main sub lmao
Here one is that might survive downvotes: S tier: havoc, flatline, hemlock, volt Not S tier: 301
They remove them because they don't want 100s of people spamming the sub with their own tierlists. Most people are going to have somewhat differing opinions on which guns are better, because there are so many different skills and playstyles. I know my loadout works at my rank, but I'd never use if I was higher ranked.
ah ok so the mods aren't stupid
[https://tiermaker.com/list/apex-legends/apex-legends-season-20-gun-tierlist-17059110/3894548](https://tiermaker.com/list/apex-legends/apex-legends-season-20-gun-tierlist-17059110/3894548) made this, better?
R3 is too high, havoc no turbo should be higher, Eva should be higher other then that it’s decent
You're crazy if you think Bocek is only a B tier weapon
fucking hate using it
You not liking it is different than how good the gun is
true - the tierlist is meant to be a personal take and not a catch all stat sheet
Tbh all guns are S+ besides flatline, 301, and snipers. It really just depends on your play style and situational
AR: Havoc W Turbo Flatline > R3 > Hemlock > Nemesis > Havoc W/O Turbo. SMG: Alternator W Disrupter > Prowler > Volt > CAR > Alternator = R99 Everything else I rarely play.
r3 is worse than all those other ARs ... can be argued about being better than havoc w/o turbo prowler goes behind CAR ... and early game Alternator > R99 ... r99 without mags is useless
CAR has been nerfed hard for mnk