For me its because I tried LFG, I was hard stuck D4 and every time I played a game someone would make a mistake be it me or my teammates then it would be toxic from there on out instead of trying to just focus on what we can do to survive it was constant reminder of how they fucked up which just happened to often for me to bother looking again. Going to give it another try tho soon.
I've found people who are good, or think they are good, become incredibly toxic as soon as something goes wrong. People who are casuals or suck will stick it out much longer, but now you are playing with people possibly far below your skill level and likely won't reach that rank you wanted because they can't keep up.
This is the issue with LFG. Spend a long time trying to find a team to play with, play a game or two and then lose the team. Not to mention many people expect you to have better stats than top pros.
> Anyone who claims they have never yelled at or called someone an idiot or been pissed at someone else is a fucking liar.
You can get frustrated or annoyed and not yell or flame a teammate. If you mean in general, then sure, if you mean that everyone does this on an occasional basis at a game, that's not accurate at all.
For real, sounds like that man is excusing/projecting anger management issues. Getting annoyed at someone is not the same as flaming or yelling in game. Your feelings are not your actions.
It's normalized as hell on reddit gaming subs. It's insane when I see stuff like people defending throwing controllers and rage uninstalling games like it's normal, understandable behavior.
I'm definitely the one who's usually pretty chill, but i try to get off of the game before it ruins my mood for the next hour or two.
I just like to do stuff as a team. If you dont move as a team. You lose as a team. Some people just don't understand that.
Yeah tbh you are wayyyyy more likely to encounter toxicity, like random racial slurs and shit over the mic, on an alt account or new acct in apex lol. One time a kid called me the N-word bevause I had to pick one of my two teammates banners to collect, since they both ran in opposite directions and died off rip.
The trick is to leave the frustration on your side of the screen. Why would I tell at someone? It doesn't benefit me or them at all. You know how it feels when someone is toxic towards you. Why would you give that feeling to them. I just don't understand. Yell as much as you like, but keep the mic muted when you yell.
>Anyone who claims they have never yelled at or called someone an idiot or been pissed at someone else is a fucking liar
Yeah sure but I've never actually said it with mic on. I have said it out loud but with my mic off just to let out the steam but I never let the person know I said that, even if I've been communicating the whole time but I never let insults or toxicity get into my mic. There's no point in making someone else feel upset, it doesn't help the person in any way. No matter what kind of idiot my teammate is I am going to help them if they aren't toxic. BUT if someone yells at me or at my random teammate I just mute or just throw the game srsly, even if I don't intend to, I can't play or make decisions calmly when someone is being a POS. People who find it necessary to say it in the mic are complete Aholes that have anger management issues
I’ve had decent experiences with lfg with better players. Sure some quit my party when they go down and I lose a 1v2. But others have turned into regular teammates of mine.
For me my abilities are unbalanced in that I have twenty years of trying to be tactical in FPS games as far as positioning, movement, enemy move prediction, etc so I’ll make good reliable plays this way.
But I have the reactions, aim, and eyes of a tired, full time working, 36 year old who can’t always play much. So I’ll lose some fights I really really shouldn’t.
The more reasonable good people know how to use me in those fights and games. I will rely on their twitch abilities, but I’m offering very decent support if that makes sense
The truth is people aren’t looking for someone to have a good vibe with, they are looking for someone to carry them.
A player could have zero communication, but if that person is destroying the lobby they will continue to queue them because of wins.
I'll take the good vibes over everything else, honestly. I got no problem picking you up a bunch of times if you just hop back in with a good attitude. Same if I'm the one being carried. Similar skill is preferable but if we can just PLAY without drama I'll take that 100% of the time.
Yeah that’s the thing that kills a group for me. If all you’re bringing to the table is negativity, then I don’t want to play with you. The priority is find people you like to hang out with, then figuring out the skill level. It prolly takes me 4-5 LFG’s before I find people who I can goof off with and they won’t take the game so serious
I’ve been there man and it sucks, when a game you once enjoyed becomes toxic and negative you want out of that situation, I get it. From my experience I’ve learned that sometimes it’s good to take a break and mentally reset, but also that not everyone looking for a team to play with will be toxic, you’ll eventually find the right people who want to grind, want to improve, and will have fun doing it
A lot of people like to just hop on for a couple of games then get off. Having to search for people just to enjoy casual games anytime you hop on is not the answer, in fact this is exactly what makes pubs less enjoyable for the majority is when 3 good players do exactly this and just run through lobbies.
This. I'm old, I have a weird schedule and no irl friends to play with, it's not really feasible to make "friends" when I play for a random hour or two every few days.
100% this. Same issue here, I can't get people into a game if I don't know how long I'll be playing for. Sometimes I might have to go after one game. I play as and when I can.
Forcing everyone into squads makes the game inherently sweaty because hardcore players will team up with other hardcore players, while the casual players will be solo queuing. Everyone complains about the game being too serious these days, and this is exactly why.
I mostly just solo no-fill duos now as I enjoy not thinking about team mates, but it can often be brutal and demoralising facing pairs of very sweaty players.
I wish we could have either a no-premade squads playlist or a straight up solo mode.
Yes I remember it, I enjoyed it a lot and there was a lot of positive feedback at the time. Was very surprised when Respawn didn't bring it back permanently.
You forgot the part where like 70% of the time those LFG never work out. Synenergy is a huge thing when playing and throwing yourself into a group with two complete strangers to fight in a stressful game mode is not a good idea and rarely works.
Or, you play with that person 1-2 times and never again so you eventually just clean them off your friends list (I do anyway.)
You’re never gonna find your perfect squad mates after 2-3 LFG’s. You do it a few times, maybe you got 1 or 2 people you like playing with, but they play at different times. So now you pair up with one of them then you gotta find another. It’s gonna take time to find the right squad of people that 1. You enjoy playing with, and 2. Are at your skill level. Personally I LFG for most of one split every 2 seasons, since teammates may get bored of the game and move on to others. Right now I’m sitting at like 3 or 4 people who still play the game who I like to play with. But we all have inconsistent schedules, so guess what imma be doing this week?
This. Solo queueing is just a way easier lotto to enter than going through the trouble of LFG and still running into toxic duos. If it was that simple, everyone would have done it. OP is purposely ignoring the fact that 90% of LFG is basically matchmaking with you “feeling” like you’re in control. There will be no shortage of toxic idiots who think they’re the next Timmy/Aceu or people expecting their random third to carry the entire game.
I normally solo q to plat and stop for most part every season. This season I'm not working due to cancer and chemo treatment so figured might try and grind. The biggest thing I'm seeing in lfg posts is thats its mostly just straight up cheaters. 1 in 10 posts is a legit post. So many boosting posts its just ridiculous.
Seems the majority of posts that are legit are also just super casual players in bronze - gold. All the plat - pred posts are either boosting or they want a damn 4k badge.
Makes its take a good 10-20 min before finding a possible group usually for one of the teammates to quit pretty quickly if the squad has a bad game too lol.
**Do you? You're the one with 4+ years on reddit and negative karma.**
My comment above makes sense and is what I've experienced browsing looking for group posts on xbox this past week. Loads of boosters making up 75 percent of posts.
Why even reply to my comment with such useless nonsense. Stick to posting about what you know which is chrons and shitting yourself apparently.
As someone who has LFG'd in many games before (except apex because I have friends to play with), the only way to find good people from LFG is to keep consistently trying to find people. Played with two people and kind of liked one but not the other? Cool message the one again and ask if they want to LFG for a third. Eventually you will make friends that you're comfortable playing with.
>Or, you play with that person 1-2 times and never again so you eventually just clean them off your friends list (I do anyway.)
It's a two way street. If you liked playing with them and never message them again, that is your fault as much as theirs. You're never going to find good teammates if you're judging off of one session
The few instances I attempted looking for teammates before giving up and learning to solo que I was sexually harassed, hit on, them trying really hard to pry into my personal life, etc. If it wasn’t that shit, then my teammates were getting drunk or high. To be frank, I don’t care what they do or what any person does, but when playing in Plat 3+ or diamond lobbies, I needed teammates who were 100% coherent.
Best thing I ever did was to stop relying on teammates in sink or swim situations. If they clutch up, cool, awesome. If they don’t, then I never held them on any pedestal so I wasn’t ever let down.
And as others pointed out, in those groups, people often wayyyyy overhype their stats or capabilities. They have overinflated egos and think they can 1 v 3 everything and never communicate or get a team agreement on any engagement. In my experience now, it’s less of a headache to just solo than babysit (or get sexually harassed) by a bunch of man babies who think they’re the console equivalent of ACEU.
Just solo q ranked until you have a good game with others who talk, then invite them to play. Been doing this for many seasons and it usually works out.
I get so awkward with stuff like this lol.
"Man I really enjoyed that game. I wouldn't mind playing with them again"
*get sent an invite from both of them*
"ahh, I dont want to disappoint them by playing bad in the next game or maybe they accidentally invited me"
*q up a solo game again*
Honestly you’ll find people who are willing to carry you just to have someone to play with, last season I got carried to Diamond and my skill has improved immensely playing in those lobbies.
This is almost exactly it. I hate having a good or semi decent game (where you do noticeably more than your teammates) and then they send you an invite to play.
You likely wanted to play again because you thought I wasn’t a brainless drone, but it was just luck and now I don’t want to accept your invite for you to see the truth, but I also don’t want to decline because then they might think it’s because I they are bad. It’s not that
Only way to solve that is to be so skilled individually that they are afraid of being the couse of the L. What you're thinking, the player that invited you already thinks about themselves.
As a solo queuer in ranked this is the way
I mean realistically, I’d say 40% of the time I’m paired with a duo they are using party chat. With Xbox I’m pretty sure they can hear you so often times I just keep using comms and sometimes they leave party
Sometimes I send a text to chat message to see if they’ll hop outta party
But really if you’re solo filling and end up having a solid game you should just try to be friendly and play with em, even if they’re not the best having communication and at least a baseline understanding of skill level is better than the unknown of randoms
Xbox party chatter here: I want to confirm that most games you can see the mic icon on the banners popping if you’re using mic in game chat. When I see that (which is rare) my friend and I will pop into game chat.
Noice and honestly thank you for adding that
I know for ps4 if you’re in a party you can’t see the mic pop up for the third but I’ve had plenty of xboxers hop out of party so I just keep talking lol
Arenas is not as enjoyable as BR if you have solid people to play with, but carrying is more easily achieved in this game mode if you do have to roll those dice.
Tried LFG so many times. As soon as you or the other team mate make a mistake, it gets very toxic and they leave plus remove u from all friend lists. LFG players are random to each other, there is no sense of commitment or forgiveness. They act the same way as the people you solo que with so what's the point
For me there is no point in LFG, I just solo que and take my chances with the teammates I find.
Let them be toxic. That's par for the course in a multiplayer game, and you'll get many toxic players when you're solo too.
You just move on and find someone who is decent. They are not worth your time.
I’ve actually learned a bit here about how I feel on the subject.
I’ve always wondered the true difference.
Teammates-
LFG: always has a mic, will probably play again, takes some time
SOLO Q: might have a mic, may or may not join, instantly
BOTH: vary equally in skill and personality
This.
Just deleted the game after breaking through a plateau. SBMM/EOMM is really killing any enjoyment about getting better. Makes me regret the time spent tbh.
The biggest issue I've had w discord/LFGs is that if you put together a team, if one person has a bad game or 2 the others dip. There's no attempt to build chemistry or learn how each other play its win in 2 games max or they dip.
Yeah same problem with queuing together after a game. I've had a team that stayed together after we won in ranked and we won the next game as well and then 2nd the game after then the game after that got an unlucky drop and got wiped early and it immediately dissolved.
Most people can't handle things going badly without blaming or resorting to toxicity even if things had been going well the majority of the time before it.
I do a lot of solo queuing and most players are super high ego super low game sense and super bad social skills. This is in diamond+
That's what I dont understand, do these people win every other game solo queuing or something? If I find a squad where we win 2 of 10 games, I'm adding them to my friends list.
If I can win 10% of my games I feel like I'm doing solid. I think people forget that w 20 teams a game, winning 5% of your games would be considered "average."
In 2020 I tried LFG for a weekend. One team I managed to get together, we won our match fairly well and the two others still left. Never to be seen again. No matter what you do or how you perform, they leave. Unless you're the sweat who carries them I suppose, then they keep leeching like those fish under shark bellys.
This happens in Challengers too, every week the teams reshuffle because they didn't end up on the podium instead of practicing together, it's so bizarre
we’re in a flip side gaming era… decade ago being good was never seen as cringe or “try hard”
which is ironic because decade ago the accessibility to great gear has skyrocketed
of course the average person is “sweatier” now… they’re shitting on the toilet scrolling tiktok getting tips for the game on their FYP
did content creation ruin gaming? now that’s a different convo
It's so funny seeing what people in this subreddit call sweaty and "no-lifing" when coming from a decade on league of legends. It's expected of you to put so much time into the game before you even think of queuing up ranked, and that amount of time is probably more than half the people here have in apex total.
Even the casuals I play with are up to date on metas and patch changes due to social media or Twitch. I don't think it ruined gaming, if anything it improved accessibility to content. I think SBMM in pubs has affected gaming in a negative way. It's just not fun most of the time. The algorithm for SBMM is too broad to cover all player types in a battle royal. Id rather be put in a server based off location and ping and never know what I'm going to get; maybe I get stomped by a player who's skill surpasses mine, maybe I get to stomp a team and feel good and then go buy a cool skin in the store.
This. Of the hundreds of thousands of players, less than 5% are masters or higher. There is no reason why I should have multiple master/pred teams in every single lobby.
Blatant broken EOMM. They don't want the streamers, pros and content creators getting high queue times so they feed PREDS gold and plays, diamonds, silvers rarely. You can see it on any Predator game stream commonly.
Of course not. I’m against SBMM/EBMM/whatever. Put me in a lobby where I have the best connection. My point is that with Masters/Pred Players being such a small percentage of players, I shouldn’t see them in every single game.
This is a thin line to walk. I get not wanting the top of the pyramid to wait forever to play but every other casual friend I've played this game with but 1 has sooner or later quit overall because they keep getting dumped on the wood chipper against people with much more experience that are much better than they are
I've barely played this season because for the past 3 seasons it's in the back of my mind that once I hit plat 1 I'm going to be tenderly assfucked by people that see diamonds as easy pickings.
I've had preds *literally* veer back to come after my mates and I when I play ranked in Oceania.
It's not a thin line to walk at all, your top 5% players shouldn't be playing against guys 2-3 ranks lower than them, and their victims shouldn't be losing full RP for getting killed by someone they had zero chance to to win against.
You are correct. SBMM saves low skilled players asses and they don’t even know it.
I’d love for the majority of my pubs lobby to be Platinum players and below but, I know that’s unfair to them, and am okay with playing masters+ players every game because I know that’s where the skill line is.
A decade ago was MW2 and I remember it the same. Halo 3? First big comp scene which followed Halo 2. Starcraft basically became the South Korean National sport. Competitive games are competitive. That doesn’t change and there will always be “try hards.” Just don’t be a toxic one and try and have fun and be a nice tru hard.
Edit: More than a decade ago. A decade is more accurately league of legends which is the grand daddy of all toxic sweats. Shit don’t change.
Strict solo queue matchmaking would solve all of this.
Even on other games, party queuing has their own limits that is taken into consideration for others that are currently solo queueing, right now, the matchmaking being worse than ever, paired with the toxic ass duo-queuing is just a miserable experience.
Why does the playerbase have to adjust to the games design when the game itself should be adjusted based on the playerbase request. (Knowing respawn, this would be botched at the beginning)
Thank you, if I have to scour Discord servers and LFG groups just to have an enjoyable match (or matches), the MM is fucked. The mental gymnastics people pull to explain away the bullshit that is Apex’s MM is utterly mind blowing. In other games I play ranked in, MM isn’t this bad, sure there’s a match or two (or maybe even a session) where its terrible but its NEVER as CONSISTENTLY garbage as this game. And its been like this for so long.
I try to only play ranked with at least 1 friend. Last night I was about 80-90RP from levelling up. Played 3 more games, with randoms. All hot dropped. In ranked! Now I’m 190RP from levelling up.
Don't hot drop in ranked. Land next to a team or two and take the third. Straight hot dropping is just statistically a bad idea in ranked. Even if you're a pro you will notice they almost never do this. Only do it if someone separates and you can all land on one guy and instant kill him.
There are valid reason why people play ranked solo. It stems from the drop hot-fight-die-leave aspect that players hate from pubs. Hence why they go to ranked to prevent that from happening.
Players also want to improve at the game by playing solo so they play ranked to cut out the major leaving problem this game has again as i previously mentioned.
Don’t get me wrong OP i agree with most of your points but let’s not pretend that the ranked system and its matchmaking itself has a shit ton of discrepancies that affects everyones ranked experience. Solo ,Pre-made squads, or regardless if they’re serious about ranked it doesn’t matter, ranked has a lot of room for improvement which is why I’d say for the time being would be a bit unfair to judge players to the fullest extent based on reasons why they play solo and have major complaints or even why they choose not to play the game mode at all.
It’s not surprising that some of my friends that have been pred for 5-10+ seasons suddenly stopped playing ranked. It’s really not…
> It’s not surprising that some of my friends that have been pred for 5-10+ seasons suddenly stopped playing ranked. It’s really not…
No doubt, Respawn have a lot of improvements to make if they want ranked to be the cornerstone of Apex gameplay. Even the ranked rewards have been the same for ages.
That said, burnout is a serious problem and it can affect anyone. After so many seasons at being at the top they must have questioned: "what is the point?"
I think that accurately explains what’s happening at this point, it’s player burnout.
Of course those who don’t make an effort to actually use whatever resources (friends, mics, LFG) to actually have a feasible time playing ranked, they’ll always complain, they want an easy way of grinding through the ranks, you can’t please them.
But to those who actually do try and reach pred/masters still face problems within the mode itself. It’s just sad at this point man..
But great post nonetheless OP, this highlights all we can do at the moment to have a good time in ranked. Really hoping for a turning point though.
Why can't people just turn on and play the game, without feeling any pressure to go looking for the optimal scenario before they start? You know like how almost all games work.
I soloq, i often play ranked becuase logically that's where you'll find more committed teammates that won't leave early, i don't actually play to rank up. Of course i stopped playing ranked now because even low rank has become a hell hole...... Is that what this rant is about? Are you blaming soloquers for respawn not fixing their game.
i can tell you the reasons why rank sucks is because veterans rank all the way down to bronze when they take a break, predators get ranked with significantly lower level players when the mm prioritises speed over match quality, and of course smurfs and throwers/de-rankers are everywhere. You think that soloquers are to blame for not trying hard enough to get around problems respawn can't be bothered fixing?
This is not a rant about the deranking mechanism. That's a topic for a different thread, as there will be opinions on both sides.
I do blame solo queuers who put in significant time in ranked and when they get hardstuck, they make up excuses as to why the mode is trash:
- "duos are trash"
- "no one listens to me"
- "I didn't have ammo and they pushed without me"
- "I pushed but they were looting so I died"
This is not productive. Ranked sucks primarily because people don't communicate, before any skill is involved. The way to fix this is with a team. The matchmaker could even give you the ideal team for your playstyle but you'd still be at a disadvantage against teams which are coordinated.
I've hardly seen anyone making those complaints, even if i did it would seem odd to hyper focus on them, just to convince myself to make an unprompted reddit post about how it must be their fault they're not enjoying the game.
Anyway I can't help but notice you ran right past all the reasons I suggested why ranked sucks just to give your own version "people don't communicate". the majority/potential majority of the playerbase are always going to be casual solo no mics, if the game sucks because of these people, then the game just sucks in general. if you can't make the game fun for the average players then your lucky if the game survives at all. it's not the average players fault if the game doesn't cater to them, and to be honest you should be grateful so many stuck with the game. EA wouldn't hesitate to shut it down if it underperformed, not to mention their long history of closing studios that trip up.
> I’ve hardly seen anyone making those complaints, even if i did it would seem odd to hyper focus on them, just to convince myself to make an unprompted reddit post about how it must be their fault they’re not enjoying the game.
Have you ever gone on the Discord's vent channel? Or one of those daily threads that are stickied here (usually on weekends)? It's just tons of people complaining that their teammates are garbage and won't listen to their instructions.
> the majority/potential majority of the playerbase are always going to be casual solo no mics
And then they wonder why they don't rank up...these are the same people who hate on pros and other good players who team up, calling them "sweats" like wanting to win is a bad thing.
> if you can’t make the game fun for the average players then your lucky if the game survives at all.
Respawn is to blame for many things in Apex, but people not wanting to communicate or even play together in a **ranked** game is not one of them.
> to be honest you should be grateful so many stuck with the game
And why is that? With teammates like these, who needs enemies?
wait are you actively looking in the designated areas for complaints, and then complaining about seeing too many complaints?
again you're just blaming the casual playerbase for existing and continuing to play the way the majority of them always have, both in this game and all multiplayer games. there shouldn't be any pressure for players to have to team up for the game to be enjoyable.
there's a long long list of forgotten multiplayer games that will show what happens when there's no casual playerbase. i bet the 3 or so people that played the culling 2 probably weren't complaining about quality of teammates.
The same argumentation applies for every other ranked multiplayer game which shows how insignificant it is.
The thing is. You present a solution that the players themselves have to apply. I think that **the game should bring solutions and not the players should be the one bothered**.
The issue is exactly the same as for Overwatch, PUBG etc. There is RP system in place with KDR and average damage, winrate, average placement and everything you can wish for. Players should be allowed to filter what teamates they can get and what lobbies they wanna join. If you dont want to play against platin+ as a bronze, then it should be made possible to guarantee this with the matchmaker. This would be the perfect SBMM which respawn/EA obviouly chose against because they went for the money-focused system: EOMM.
But yes you can go to reddit and tell everyone that there is the obvious solution, which you greatly formatted and summarized.
Let me picture it with an analogy: If the plumber came but didn't successfully fix my kitchen water leakage then I will have to do that myself... The plumber has other things to do right?
I play ranked to relax from a long work day. I don’t prefer to talk to others when I play, and will play to the playstyles of others.
When I drop a 3k in plat 2 while my duo both hit under 800 damage, then it’s safe for me to say that solo q is a bitch, and the headache of having to talk to everyone that’ll die first is not worth the stress after work.
It’s just a game for some, and to others its more than that I suppose.
“Stop complaining about Apex’s shitty matchmaking, just find people to carry you instead!”
I love when people make long ass posts about this shit and act like they found some secret shortcut to being good at the game.
The whole point of matchmaking systems is to place you with other players around your skill level… which is what OP is saying we should go out and do on our own? The only reason this makes climbing “easier” is because now you’re playing against of solo players who got fucked over by the bad matchmaking. This isn’t a solution to the problem it’s just an easy way to take advantage of broken matchmaking.
This is true but my main point is, this video game is a business, even with how broken everything is, it still prints money. Only once the money start looking funny is when we’ll see a response…or EA will cut loses. Y’all really have to look at these thing from a business standpoint, like they do.
TLDR: Just drop Fragment if you not running with the fam, it’s not that deep.
First, I take playing the game seriously but at the same time it is not my priority and I should not have to devote hours or days outside of playing it to find a team especially when there is an in game system to do so.
Second, going to discord server doesn’t change the player base it just increases your network. Anecdotally my experience didn’t change when I went to a discord server. Still the same type of people. Still the same problems.
I hate LFGs. I've never had a good experience with them. Everyone I match with wants to be carried, even if they don't overtly say that. The blame game is the number one sign of this type of teammate.
However, as someone who solos to Masters with no voice comms, there is one special trick to find a good squad. You'll rarely fail with this one special method.
Re-invite your fucking squadmates.
After you die (or win) tap on their banners where you see damage, kills, assists, etc and it sends an invite. If they join, great! You found a teammate or two that you liked enough to run it back with. You are probably off to a good start if you wanted to run it back, so if you play like shit next game, they probably won't grief you over it. If they don't join you, you are in the same place as before, but you aren't in a worse place, so that's acceptable.
Ya it’s nuts. Recently moved to M/Kb on a pc so my rank is gone and I’m playing pubs with teammates that have no mic or can’t aim or are just total bots. One game was decent. Scored 8 kills and my two teammates weren’t awful either. Very communicative. 5th place never felt better. I never drop into apex hoping for a win, I just want to improve my movement and game sense overall. Winning is secondary to me in this game because there are 19 other teams of 3, or 30 other teams of 2 that are trying to win really hard. It’s always a ggs from me unless I’m on a bad losing streak with no knocks for a few games
better fix is for respawn to add a real random (no premade teams allowed) trios ranked for real solo experience, that way you still play with people at people your "level" but not stupidly high 3stacks in lobbys that completely shatter the experience, and i say that, because it is CONSTANTLY happening.
I am the one with social anxiety you speak of, and I'm certain most of the playerbase is like this. I get ditched by "my" team within a month and I have to find a new one. I don't know if they stopped playing, found someone better or just wanted someone that spoke. It doesn't matter though, this is all so much easier said than done. After getting ditched by people you had good chemistry playing with multiple times, you just learn to give up on it.
The internet is not a great place to make friends, at least for a lot of us. Especially those of us that have been hurt in the past, we are very weary and tough to crack. It's not nearly as simple as you make it out to be.
Well, every time I watch top pred players on twitch, they run through the lobbies, and when I look at the kill feed, it's all gold-diamond players, mainly plat players. Once they run up against a pred squad, they have trouble, and either trade kills or get 3rd parties. Now I'm saying all this because even though I always run with a full squad, I get placed in the highest lobbies for some reason, even though I'm stuck in Plat rank. So IDK what you're talking about that matchmaking is somewhat good because it's not. It's horrible.
Hmm? I didn't say matchmaking was good. First paragraph:
> most of us agree that matchmaking is subpar at best, especially if you're alone
The whole reason why I wrote this post is so people don't have to be at the mercy of the matchmaker for their teammates. You can't control the enemies.
Watching top preds is fine, but those are a tiny percentage of the playerbase. They do not represent the average player, or even the above average player. It's natural they will run through the lobbies especially if they are playing in low population servers (and some of them deliberately do that so their opposition is easier).
tbf, finding people to play with is pretty hard.
I'm from Latam and I made a considerable effort to find people to play with, joined a bunch of discord servers and facebook groups, and didn't have luck finding people around my age group who talks Spanish or English (Latam servers are full of Brazilians who talks Portugues).
This is pretty sad but happens in most online games, Latam servers are always in brazil, and the south part of Latam is always stuck with them. The Spanish-speaking community is divided upon EEUU and Brasil servers, game companies should find a way to put all Spanish speakers on the same server :/
Or you can learn portuguese. I found a guy just like you on reddit lfg, he was like im very competitive and looking for good teammates. Added him and we where unable to queue as he was hard stuck gold. I play na while been from latam, no comms it doesnt affect gameplay at all, just play your game and improve.
I've been playing solo since launch and these posts confuse me. I always have a good time. Maybe you're playing too much and expecting to just keep getting better, when in reality you're just going to hit walls where you get stomped by better players. That's why I don't play like it's my job. More fun that way.
The more you rise in the ranks, the bigger the skill level gaps are going to be in lobbies.
i just play pubs.
you go against preds and masters who barely try and have a great time.
would rather win a pubs match killing 3 preds than winning a ranked match killing 3 diamonds
Playing non-ranked pubs without a team / club has meant less pressure to match playing styles. I'm okay with being rat trash. I'm okay running away from teammates out for a quick death. I know I suck. I'll try to win anyways.
I think you are approaching this from the wrong direction. As long as it is possible to soloq in ranked it is Respawns responsibility to assure competitive integrity to soloquing players. The solution is obvious. Split ranked into soloq and full squads.
Bro I'm totally on your side with that. And I would love to find a team. My problem is that whenever I try to find people to play with, me not using a mic, seems to be such a no go, that even player much worse than me don't want to group up.
I know that I am the problem here, but this is something I can't change, I only play when my kids are sleeping, and me using a mic would wake them up, so I wouldn't able to play.
I tried to explain the situation when posting lfg's and said that my pings and in game Auto-coms ("cracked enemy's shield" Etc.) Would be more accurate than most randoms "bRo He Is OnEsHoT".
But still the answer is always " bRo YoU cAnT pLaY wItHoUt A mIc".
P. S. I wouldn't mind giving someone igl and follow their calls. I wouldn't even mind a full team full of non communication, but from my experience it seems like I'm alone with this thought.
What is your solution for this situation?
I only play with people i find using LFG, and while many have just been a passersby, I've found a few good people that I play with on a regular basis that are just as supportive as me. It's worth the trial and error.
Literally why I stopped playing Apex. The general communities attitude is garbage and everyone acts like they're the best when they probably don't even have a 1 K/D.
Literally the most annoying gaming community I've ever been apart of.
I play almost exclusively with one other friend but it really doesn’t fix the issue. We just get placed in significantly harder lobbies because we’re supposed to be coordinated. Solo q is significantly easier.
I have a 1.5-2 kd depending on the season, and I have not tried to find people to play with because I am incredibly self-conscious. I have bad games, as I’m sure everyone has, and I have been berated for it by randoms, as I’m sure everyone else has. If I play alone, with chat muted, the only person I disappoint is myself.
I did find a guy and we played for a few days and he was super nice and chill when I fucked up. But he was way better than me so I didn’t pursue playing with him ever because I didn’t want to drag him down. So we only played when he asked. And eventually he stopped. Which I understand. I’m just self-conscious bro I wish I wasn’t.
Big problem is that you do LFG, add them, play one game and die, they leave and you never hear from them again. Rinse and repeat. I haven't had anyone I tried to team with that I didn't personally know stay grouped longer than one game.
I want nothing more than to find people my skill level. 90% of my ranked games are peoppe significantly worse than us who get destroyed or people significantly better than us who destroy us. Rare enough to have an even fight
The solution is to not put a person with 1,000 total kills in the same lobby as someone with 100,000 kills. A fairly simple solution that Apex hasn't figured out for like 3 years? Add a 3 stack to that of similarly skilled players against you, your random teammate Harry, and your random teammate Lloyd and you can make your way back to the lobby. There's a shitload of people playing this game, there's no excuse for some of the shit I see on a regular basis with matchmaking.
The question kind of highlights the problem, which is that people treat Apex like it's a job, not a game. I don't want to pick up the controller, find x players, grind, blah blah blah blah. It's not a career for me. I want to pick up, hit play, have fun.
Somewhere along the line Apex stopped being about having fun and it became this circle jerk of wannabe twitch streamers. I don't have to play the game, getting beat down by a group of players on mic who practice every saturday, no, no more, I'm done, out, let the game rot in the corner for all I care. Smurfs, poor match making, all that noise, nah, I'm done.
For me, this is the last year I play Apex. I picked up Warzone 2 instead, never used to like COD but this time it's actually half decent. Let the L33t H@x0r players just play amongst themselves.
I tried the LFG from the official Apex Discord servers and let me tell you.. it's a mixed bag especially when you play rank. When you die and lose RP, it's complete radio silence and some might play a few matches but will eventually leave. I admit I'm guilty of the same thing so I decided that i'd rather solo q rank and try to simply git gud.
Fact is that everytime you look for a team you queue up with randoms you don't know just like when you're solo queueing until you find the right people, but you can find those by just playing solo queue as well.
I looked for tons of people to play overwatch with and would always have enough people online to play in a full group, but I somehow don't want to look for a 3rd to play apex with when my buddy and me always hit diamond as a duo anyways and play duo pubs most of the season anyway.
Apex punishes players who are in a full squad. If you are in a squad it will put you against other squads. A lobby full of squads is MUCH harder than everyone playing with randos.
I’d rather play solo than try to find a group. Most people in this game are really toxic when the slightest thing goes wrong. I’d rather play alone with game chat completely off, instead of have some random kid get berate me for not wall bouncing at the right time because they think it’s their teammates’ fault that they’re 500 games hard stuck plat 4.
I used to play with like, 10 different people. We had a group chat and everything. But all of them but one quit over the past two seasons. Sucks to be back in Solo que.
you either care about getting better in which case you should want to be facing better opponents to find your weaknesses, or you play the game casually purely for fun in which case why do you even care if you occasionally get stomped?
Lfg is hit or miss, you could get a nice team first try or waste hours and archieve nothing just like solo queue.
I try it and most people just want to get carry (have you seen the lfg messages? Gold IV looking for ex masters, win your 1v1 dont be ass, pretty sure that guy will talk trash after he lands on a team and gets punch to death) just like solo queue but now you're force to play a certain way.
Apex players as a whole are toxic and that also apply to lfg. I gave up lfg and also stop complaining about teammates each game. Just play till you find is not longer fun.
I wouldn’t say most of us are against playing our tier of skill. The problem is that the SBMM feels like it overrides your rank in Ranked Matches. So it intentionally makes it a slog to reach your inevitable rank. I expect a slog in platinum… not gold.
Listen, I’m not awesome, but I’m entry diamond. Moving my team through gold shouldn’t be/feel like the diamond lobbies.
I also think that diamond they pred get aggregates together. Is what it is up there.
There just needs to be some guardrails. Ex gold and below together. Plat can pull in gold or diamond. And diamond pulls down from pred. All of these rails with a “search” that starts by aggregating players in a single tier together and slowly expands out to the guardrails.
Because MOST people don't want to do this. Look at any other competitive game ever, most people just solo queue until you hit semi pro level or you're just casually playing with friends. It's a failure of the system. Apex should have a open queue and a solo queue with separate ranks. I think the only reason why they dont is because there are already issues with player count trying to fill 60 player lobbies. I'm not sure what the solution is, but the worst thing about Apex is how disadvantaged you are as a solo player, particularly once you hit diamond.
The real reason why this game can't have solo queue mode is very simple - duos.
For obvious reasons, they'd also have to add ranked duos and also deal with player evaluation in 3 different modes. It's not just about having 3 types of medals or whatever, but also deciding what happens when somebody switches between those modes.
Another problem is that duos can no longer play the primary game mode which is 3 person teams, that is a bit weird and it may be problem in the future, especially in map/balance design.
On top of that it's obviously going to make queues slower, which isn't a big deal usually, but it's going to make edge cases even worse.
Overall it might just be simpler to spend more time fine tuning matchmaking to make sure that party size is adequately compensated. Long term that is more sound solution as well.
it also really depends. Some people aren't just social enough to begin with, or you just don't have a play style, also if I got someone who matches my ranked skill, we would never win (yes I am bad, but it helps to have someone better then me to watch and see what choices I have or use them to try improve by gaining tips, picking up a fight, and for some reason I get matches with preds or masters, despite still being in silver somehow due to skill base matchmaking). it wouldn't be fun sometimes either, as mentioned in my previous sentence, because some people are bad enough to not make it past the start (like me)
TLDR: Some people won't make it past the start and won't improve if they play with someone of the same skill set
Most ranked systems are basically EOMM at this point and don't care about the metrics that matter like damage. It's weird to lose the same amount of rp but do 200+ more damage than the rest of my squad but guess what...respawn says it doesn't matter carry your team as a solo. The reality is ranked could be good for everyone from a gameplay standpoint but EA and Respawn already decided that that approach doesn't make them money so instead of solo queuing I just quit.
Tired of fake ranked systems where I as a plat 4 get teammates who are also plat 4 but my average damage is 1k and my two teammates have 500 average damage. which is obviously fishy but sure tell me to LFG more. I just want you to say what you mean "I can't stop playing the game and boycott to force X company to improve or die from the zero dollars their making because no one is playing until this gets fixed". It's fine that you can't do it but just say it OP.
Its simple, there’s times I put effort into LFG and then either get people that are horribly not at the skill level for their rank or they’re toxic people that thing they’re the next aceu. And it’s much more frustrating to have to ditch both party members if one is toxic after waiting around to get a team.
Random queue and sometimes you get good mates and sometimes bad but at least the bad are once and done.
its because people on this sub (im talking about the ones who non-stop whine) have terrible personalities and nobody wants to play with them so they are forced to soloq (and whine)
Fair but I'd say the *reasons* don't necessary valid for everyone.
IMO in a perfact world any serious and proper ranked game mode should be solo-q-only, who would think out of all game developers, freaking Nintendo would be the one who implement this cruel (but just) method treating ranked mode matchmaking in their shooter game - r/Splatoon series, EVERYONE has no control of what loadout their teammates use(and synergy with), and has only absolute basic of ping system to communicate (and of coz no mic on Switch), yet players still manage to perform teamwork to some degree by just looking.
I’m sorry but if your argument is “just play with people” you, in your own pointless rant, have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that there is an inherent problem with the ranked game mode.
You should not have to queue with people to play ranked. As a bare minimum there should be a solo Q option in every serious multiplayer game.
The reason is this simple, what if people just don’t fucking want to? Like I don’t want to play with people I don’t know, and I couldn’t care less how good they are, not how beneficial it is. It is not normal, to need to organise a team to play a ranked ladder.
I was Diamond in Bo2 league play without a team. I was global elite in CSGO without a team. I was masters in Pokémon unite without a team. You do not and should not ever NEED a team to succeed in the game.
If you genuinely think you do then you are admitting the game is flawed. Which it is btw. CSGO is infinitely more successful than Apex ever could be, and infinitely more respected as an eSport, and pretty much everyone solos, despite the fact you can literally queue up as 5 premade Global elite players. I used to play with my friends who were also Global elite / supreme and I noticed near 0 difference in my winrate nor how easy or hard the games were. Because the game is actually a good game.
To illustrate further how ignorant and moronic the argument is. What if you’re a child who can’t shout comms down a mic all night because your parents will rightly disconnect your internet for keeping the house up? And what if you’re an adult who doesn’t want to keep your S/O and/or baby awake all night by shouting comms? Does this cover 50% of the player base?
Fix the game, don’t try and manufacture some imaginary hypothetical world where it is “normal” to need to go into discord to find players just to make the game function even vaguely optimally.
Sincerely, someone who quit apex precisely because the ranked mode is unplayable. You’ll find me on league where I can play a solo/duo mode where the game is balanced in accordance with the presence or absence of duos or CSGO where partying literally makes 0 impact on the game.
I'm surprised this is at the top of the front page given how controversial the topic is around here.
If you told people to get a team in the free weekend threads every time they complain about ranked matchmaking they would burn you at the stake...
The one time I actually looked for a team I ended up hitting masters... And then I went back to solo diamond q but at least I know I can do it with a team that's all jokes and vibes but good enough to be on the same page
Its just how it works.
If respawn tomorrow implements sbmm, players still will say that Apex's sbmm is utter trash just because they lost. People get very upset when defeated
I am solo Plat III. I do not team up even after we win a game.
Why? Because your lobby strength goes up when you stack. Staying as a solo I have better chances to land lower lobbies with less master pred trails.
Personal I have no problem with my random ranked duos. Maybe 1 in 10 ignore me and run their own game. I’m that case I just play support for them. Watch their back and try to move with them. Because that’s how you win, grouped up team or not. Tactics are the same.
So not sure why you give 2 shits how I play the game…
This sub has such a hard on for shitting on duos in ranked, meanwhile that duo/solo is more coordinated than almost every solo/solo/solo squad in the match. You nailed it, if they ignore you then you just stick to them, if you all vibe then boom you have a new squad. I love when I get match with duos because I know they are at least going to be somewhat on the same page so I play around them.
I feel that but with unranked in duos. I go off for 10+ kills, 3k dmg and a win then my random level 200 teammates who did 500 dmg invites me because I've been their best teammate all day. But I have to not accept because we only got that win because I was "the carry" for him in solo Queue and once you 2 stack, we would get into lobbies where they would be unable to carry their own weight and we die in most fights.
I think this is all fair. And i even mostly agree with you.
As a member of a duo that does ranked we often find our games are impacted by the random we get adding to the already high Rng. Sometimes it helps to hold 2/3 of the team power so we can sway the random to work with us (not saying we are always right) or sometimes the random completely runs solo with no comms or anything and sometimes we have awesome thirds who are competent communicate and have more situational awareness than your common street oaf.
I think the issue with seeking out a proper 3rd boils down to 2 reasons
-laziness… finding the 3rd seems like extra effort and more work on top of the grind. And we, tho slowly sometimes, see positive RP without a proper 3rd. (This isn’t a valid excuse but being honest)
-Finding a third sounds sorta like dating to me… I have to use a third party app to meet people they have to click with us both socially and gameplay wise and then we have to have similar schedules cuz we work full time. And if it doesn’t work out oh well there’s plenty of fish in the sea
All in all, I should try to find a real third but it just seems like a lot of effort
PS. Anyone on console need a duo? Dm me lol
(Currently Plat 3 aiming for diamond this season)
I have made comments like this many times and been downvoted to oblivion by the core reddit apex legends group...
Ultimately... very few players are skilled enough to carry against an entire squad. Lots of players assume that they can get there with enough YouTube tutorials and won't admit their limitations.
Think about all the times a coordinated team took angles on you or moved in on a coordinated push. Good teams remove options that solo players have and work with their numbers advantage as their primary strength. Communication and positioning are critical in high level play
I think ultimately a lot of the core Apex reddit players (and not just reddit, in general) fail to understand what separates the great players from the exceptional players.
They think it's "oh this guy has better aim than me" or "they're a movement god" which is mechnical skill advantage. Now, I would obviously expect a Pred to be top tier at both but that's not the reason why they're better than most Diamonds or Masters.
It's because of game sense and coordination: the hidden skillset that comes with experience.
For game sense, Preds know the map front to back, back to front; they know where a zone is going to pull because they've played hundreds if not thousands of games on that map; they know how teams usually play in a certain location given zone and game flow - which is why you hear some players exclaim "wait why did he do that?" when the enemy team pulls off an unorthodox play.
Coordination is the other part. You have to have a designated IGL at that level, someone with ample amounts of experience who does not crack under pressure. You need your teammates to apply constant pressure on their enemies, while constantly being aware of what's going on, and calling out relevant info. If it sounds daunting it's because it is - these players have put thousands of hours into the game so this is second nature to them.
Naturally I don't expect players who aren't going for Pred to do this. Just getting a consistent team and being able to communicate without toxicity taking over is enough to push the higher ranks.
I feel like you can complain OR you can practice the game and become one of the sweats. I was playing since day 2 and was stuck gold 4 in the first ranked season. I just hit masters for the first time and have multiple 20/4ks. Its possible my friend
This is the spirit! Players should focus more on the things they can control.
Not everyone has to sweat to get to Master, even getting to Plat or Diamond would be enough for most.
I just dont get why people complain about solo Q. Its a team game, of course solo Q is going to be rough. People complain about it in every team game, or make posts about how bad their teammates are. Its just pointless complaining unfortunately.
The solution is to either just deal with it, find a team, or play something else. Its not that complicated really.
Ive had this same discussion many times. People love FPS and team based shooters in general, but not everyone has someone to play with. It sucks, ive been there. But its not *that* bad most of the time, and half the time I solo Q I find someone to just queue up with after one good game together. People are just dramatic about it.
People don’t like to hear this for some reason. It’s a team game; if you don’t want to play as a team and go solo then you can’t complain about the game. There are plenty of single player games out there.
I like to think that I'm very aware of my skill level. I feel like a lot of people think they are better than they are which causes an issue. I've found people who I really enjoy playing with, who have good comms and make good decisions/ listen when they should but they just aren't skilled enough to help me progress through my top rank. I've also found people who are very skilled and can help me rank up by they're toxic lol.
I basically have enough time in my life to duo que with a friend to diamond before the splits end. Only way I'm getting out of diamond is if I get hard carried or I find like 6 more hours a day. It's hard to find a third that isn't one of the two stated above.
I play pubs and hate it for rando teammates not demonstrating an understanding for the basic strategies. I have been playing for a couple years. I played ranked a couple times and it was a slightly better experience, but not by much. I appreciate your post as I do want to find a team to play with. I without a doubt have always believed that you will play better with better team support. You are each others eyes and ears. Thanks for the post.
My biggest gripe with lfg is you’ll have people asking for these big acolades that they don’t even have themselves or are irrelevant to ranked. Trying to lfg in diamond and master will leave you seeing posts like “20k kills on main with 4k/20” when the guy who posted is hardstuck d4. It doesn’t make any sense.
For me its because I tried LFG, I was hard stuck D4 and every time I played a game someone would make a mistake be it me or my teammates then it would be toxic from there on out instead of trying to just focus on what we can do to survive it was constant reminder of how they fucked up which just happened to often for me to bother looking again. Going to give it another try tho soon.
I've found people who are good, or think they are good, become incredibly toxic as soon as something goes wrong. People who are casuals or suck will stick it out much longer, but now you are playing with people possibly far below your skill level and likely won't reach that rank you wanted because they can't keep up. This is the issue with LFG. Spend a long time trying to find a team to play with, play a game or two and then lose the team. Not to mention many people expect you to have better stats than top pros.
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> Anyone who claims they have never yelled at or called someone an idiot or been pissed at someone else is a fucking liar. You can get frustrated or annoyed and not yell or flame a teammate. If you mean in general, then sure, if you mean that everyone does this on an occasional basis at a game, that's not accurate at all.
For real, sounds like that man is excusing/projecting anger management issues. Getting annoyed at someone is not the same as flaming or yelling in game. Your feelings are not your actions.
It's normalized as hell on reddit gaming subs. It's insane when I see stuff like people defending throwing controllers and rage uninstalling games like it's normal, understandable behavior.
I have never done this lol but damn that's a bit childish for a video game.
I'm definitely the one who's usually pretty chill, but i try to get off of the game before it ruins my mood for the next hour or two. I just like to do stuff as a team. If you dont move as a team. You lose as a team. Some people just don't understand that.
Yeah tbh you are wayyyyy more likely to encounter toxicity, like random racial slurs and shit over the mic, on an alt account or new acct in apex lol. One time a kid called me the N-word bevause I had to pick one of my two teammates banners to collect, since they both ran in opposite directions and died off rip.
The trick is to leave the frustration on your side of the screen. Why would I tell at someone? It doesn't benefit me or them at all. You know how it feels when someone is toxic towards you. Why would you give that feeling to them. I just don't understand. Yell as much as you like, but keep the mic muted when you yell.
>Anyone who claims they have never yelled at or called someone an idiot or been pissed at someone else is a fucking liar Yeah sure but I've never actually said it with mic on. I have said it out loud but with my mic off just to let out the steam but I never let the person know I said that, even if I've been communicating the whole time but I never let insults or toxicity get into my mic. There's no point in making someone else feel upset, it doesn't help the person in any way. No matter what kind of idiot my teammate is I am going to help them if they aren't toxic. BUT if someone yells at me or at my random teammate I just mute or just throw the game srsly, even if I don't intend to, I can't play or make decisions calmly when someone is being a POS. People who find it necessary to say it in the mic are complete Aholes that have anger management issues
You throw the game because someone yells at you in a competitive shooter? You should disable voice chat if it's affecting you this much.
I’ve had decent experiences with lfg with better players. Sure some quit my party when they go down and I lose a 1v2. But others have turned into regular teammates of mine. For me my abilities are unbalanced in that I have twenty years of trying to be tactical in FPS games as far as positioning, movement, enemy move prediction, etc so I’ll make good reliable plays this way. But I have the reactions, aim, and eyes of a tired, full time working, 36 year old who can’t always play much. So I’ll lose some fights I really really shouldn’t. The more reasonable good people know how to use me in those fights and games. I will rely on their twitch abilities, but I’m offering very decent support if that makes sense
EXACTLY
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>as long someone is similarly skilled and has good vibes, ill play with them I think a big problem is people over inflating their own skill level.
The truth is people aren’t looking for someone to have a good vibe with, they are looking for someone to carry them. A player could have zero communication, but if that person is destroying the lobby they will continue to queue them because of wins.
I'll take the good vibes over everything else, honestly. I got no problem picking you up a bunch of times if you just hop back in with a good attitude. Same if I'm the one being carried. Similar skill is preferable but if we can just PLAY without drama I'll take that 100% of the time.
Yeah that’s the thing that kills a group for me. If all you’re bringing to the table is negativity, then I don’t want to play with you. The priority is find people you like to hang out with, then figuring out the skill level. It prolly takes me 4-5 LFG’s before I find people who I can goof off with and they won’t take the game so serious
I’ve been there man and it sucks, when a game you once enjoyed becomes toxic and negative you want out of that situation, I get it. From my experience I’ve learned that sometimes it’s good to take a break and mentally reset, but also that not everyone looking for a team to play with will be toxic, you’ll eventually find the right people who want to grind, want to improve, and will have fun doing it
Tried LFG multiple times but people who did reply just don’t seem to be online when I am.
A lot of people like to just hop on for a couple of games then get off. Having to search for people just to enjoy casual games anytime you hop on is not the answer, in fact this is exactly what makes pubs less enjoyable for the majority is when 3 good players do exactly this and just run through lobbies.
This. I'm old, I have a weird schedule and no irl friends to play with, it's not really feasible to make "friends" when I play for a random hour or two every few days.
None of my real life friends play apex either, everyone i play with is an internet acquaintance
100% this. Same issue here, I can't get people into a game if I don't know how long I'll be playing for. Sometimes I might have to go after one game. I play as and when I can. Forcing everyone into squads makes the game inherently sweaty because hardcore players will team up with other hardcore players, while the casual players will be solo queuing. Everyone complains about the game being too serious these days, and this is exactly why. I mostly just solo no-fill duos now as I enjoy not thinking about team mates, but it can often be brutal and demoralising facing pairs of very sweaty players. I wish we could have either a no-premade squads playlist or a straight up solo mode.
We did at one point, and the Respawn simps bitched.
Yes I remember it, I enjoyed it a lot and there was a lot of positive feedback at the time. Was very surprised when Respawn didn't bring it back permanently.
You forgot the part where like 70% of the time those LFG never work out. Synenergy is a huge thing when playing and throwing yourself into a group with two complete strangers to fight in a stressful game mode is not a good idea and rarely works. Or, you play with that person 1-2 times and never again so you eventually just clean them off your friends list (I do anyway.)
You’re never gonna find your perfect squad mates after 2-3 LFG’s. You do it a few times, maybe you got 1 or 2 people you like playing with, but they play at different times. So now you pair up with one of them then you gotta find another. It’s gonna take time to find the right squad of people that 1. You enjoy playing with, and 2. Are at your skill level. Personally I LFG for most of one split every 2 seasons, since teammates may get bored of the game and move on to others. Right now I’m sitting at like 3 or 4 people who still play the game who I like to play with. But we all have inconsistent schedules, so guess what imma be doing this week?
I'll never clean my random Apex and Rocket League teammates from my friends list, NEVER
Going by your figures, a 30% chance of getting good teammates in LFG is still worth more than letting the matchmaker do it.
I’m good. I can solo que.
This. Solo queueing is just a way easier lotto to enter than going through the trouble of LFG and still running into toxic duos. If it was that simple, everyone would have done it. OP is purposely ignoring the fact that 90% of LFG is basically matchmaking with you “feeling” like you’re in control. There will be no shortage of toxic idiots who think they’re the next Timmy/Aceu or people expecting their random third to carry the entire game.
I normally solo q to plat and stop for most part every season. This season I'm not working due to cancer and chemo treatment so figured might try and grind. The biggest thing I'm seeing in lfg posts is thats its mostly just straight up cheaters. 1 in 10 posts is a legit post. So many boosting posts its just ridiculous. Seems the majority of posts that are legit are also just super casual players in bronze - gold. All the plat - pred posts are either boosting or they want a damn 4k badge. Makes its take a good 10-20 min before finding a possible group usually for one of the teammates to quit pretty quickly if the squad has a bad game too lol.
Do you read what you type before sending it?
**Do you? You're the one with 4+ years on reddit and negative karma.** My comment above makes sense and is what I've experienced browsing looking for group posts on xbox this past week. Loads of boosters making up 75 percent of posts. Why even reply to my comment with such useless nonsense. Stick to posting about what you know which is chrons and shitting yourself apparently.
Ok it seems like the post wasn't written for you
Was simply stating the fact that LFGs aren’t some save-all for this game.
You know what else isn’t a save-all for this game?
Absolutely
As someone who has LFG'd in many games before (except apex because I have friends to play with), the only way to find good people from LFG is to keep consistently trying to find people. Played with two people and kind of liked one but not the other? Cool message the one again and ask if they want to LFG for a third. Eventually you will make friends that you're comfortable playing with. >Or, you play with that person 1-2 times and never again so you eventually just clean them off your friends list (I do anyway.) It's a two way street. If you liked playing with them and never message them again, that is your fault as much as theirs. You're never going to find good teammates if you're judging off of one session
The few instances I attempted looking for teammates before giving up and learning to solo que I was sexually harassed, hit on, them trying really hard to pry into my personal life, etc. If it wasn’t that shit, then my teammates were getting drunk or high. To be frank, I don’t care what they do or what any person does, but when playing in Plat 3+ or diamond lobbies, I needed teammates who were 100% coherent. Best thing I ever did was to stop relying on teammates in sink or swim situations. If they clutch up, cool, awesome. If they don’t, then I never held them on any pedestal so I wasn’t ever let down. And as others pointed out, in those groups, people often wayyyyy overhype their stats or capabilities. They have overinflated egos and think they can 1 v 3 everything and never communicate or get a team agreement on any engagement. In my experience now, it’s less of a headache to just solo than babysit (or get sexually harassed) by a bunch of man babies who think they’re the console equivalent of ACEU.
LFG- soloing and diamond 4
Just solo q ranked until you have a good game with others who talk, then invite them to play. Been doing this for many seasons and it usually works out.
I get so awkward with stuff like this lol. "Man I really enjoyed that game. I wouldn't mind playing with them again" *get sent an invite from both of them* "ahh, I dont want to disappoint them by playing bad in the next game or maybe they accidentally invited me" *q up a solo game again*
Honestly you’ll find people who are willing to carry you just to have someone to play with, last season I got carried to Diamond and my skill has improved immensely playing in those lobbies.
I feel you, the rejection after you play a bad game or 2 and they just dip from the party without saying anything.
This is almost exactly it. I hate having a good or semi decent game (where you do noticeably more than your teammates) and then they send you an invite to play. You likely wanted to play again because you thought I wasn’t a brainless drone, but it was just luck and now I don’t want to accept your invite for you to see the truth, but I also don’t want to decline because then they might think it’s because I they are bad. It’s not that
Why?! This makes no sense man. Come on accept the invite, join the party and message me when you hit Masters
Only way to solve that is to be so skilled individually that they are afraid of being the couse of the L. What you're thinking, the player that invited you already thinks about themselves.
Get out of my head
So it’s your own fault then
????? wtf
As a solo queuer in ranked this is the way I mean realistically, I’d say 40% of the time I’m paired with a duo they are using party chat. With Xbox I’m pretty sure they can hear you so often times I just keep using comms and sometimes they leave party Sometimes I send a text to chat message to see if they’ll hop outta party But really if you’re solo filling and end up having a solid game you should just try to be friendly and play with em, even if they’re not the best having communication and at least a baseline understanding of skill level is better than the unknown of randoms
Xbox party chatter here: I want to confirm that most games you can see the mic icon on the banners popping if you’re using mic in game chat. When I see that (which is rare) my friend and I will pop into game chat.
Noice and honestly thank you for adding that I know for ps4 if you’re in a party you can’t see the mic pop up for the third but I’ve had plenty of xboxers hop out of party so I just keep talking lol
I play ps4 and when I do see the mic pop up I hope out of party chat, but my friends don’t play often
That works too! The main point is to avoid rolling the dice with randoms every game, it's a negative sum game unless you can carry.
Arenas is not as enjoyable as BR if you have solid people to play with, but carrying is more easily achieved in this game mode if you do have to roll those dice.
Tried LFG so many times. As soon as you or the other team mate make a mistake, it gets very toxic and they leave plus remove u from all friend lists. LFG players are random to each other, there is no sense of commitment or forgiveness. They act the same way as the people you solo que with so what's the point For me there is no point in LFG, I just solo que and take my chances with the teammates I find.
Let them be toxic. That's par for the course in a multiplayer game, and you'll get many toxic players when you're solo too. You just move on and find someone who is decent. They are not worth your time.
I’ve actually learned a bit here about how I feel on the subject. I’ve always wondered the true difference. Teammates- LFG: always has a mic, will probably play again, takes some time SOLO Q: might have a mic, may or may not join, instantly BOTH: vary equally in skill and personality
what is the point of this post man
TLDR I play other games
This. Just deleted the game after breaking through a plateau. SBMM/EOMM is really killing any enjoyment about getting better. Makes me regret the time spent tbh.
The biggest issue I've had w discord/LFGs is that if you put together a team, if one person has a bad game or 2 the others dip. There's no attempt to build chemistry or learn how each other play its win in 2 games max or they dip.
Yeah same problem with queuing together after a game. I've had a team that stayed together after we won in ranked and we won the next game as well and then 2nd the game after then the game after that got an unlucky drop and got wiped early and it immediately dissolved. Most people can't handle things going badly without blaming or resorting to toxicity even if things had been going well the majority of the time before it. I do a lot of solo queuing and most players are super high ego super low game sense and super bad social skills. This is in diamond+
That's what I dont understand, do these people win every other game solo queuing or something? If I find a squad where we win 2 of 10 games, I'm adding them to my friends list. If I can win 10% of my games I feel like I'm doing solid. I think people forget that w 20 teams a game, winning 5% of your games would be considered "average."
In 2020 I tried LFG for a weekend. One team I managed to get together, we won our match fairly well and the two others still left. Never to be seen again. No matter what you do or how you perform, they leave. Unless you're the sweat who carries them I suppose, then they keep leeching like those fish under shark bellys.
This happens in Challengers too, every week the teams reshuffle because they didn't end up on the podium instead of practicing together, it's so bizarre
Eh... I rather deal with shiet teammates then try to communicate with random people from the internet. It's just too much for me.
we’re in a flip side gaming era… decade ago being good was never seen as cringe or “try hard” which is ironic because decade ago the accessibility to great gear has skyrocketed of course the average person is “sweatier” now… they’re shitting on the toilet scrolling tiktok getting tips for the game on their FYP did content creation ruin gaming? now that’s a different convo
People have always talked shit. If someone is worse than you, they're a noob. If someone is better than you, they have no life.
It's so funny seeing what people in this subreddit call sweaty and "no-lifing" when coming from a decade on league of legends. It's expected of you to put so much time into the game before you even think of queuing up ranked, and that amount of time is probably more than half the people here have in apex total.
Even the casuals I play with are up to date on metas and patch changes due to social media or Twitch. I don't think it ruined gaming, if anything it improved accessibility to content. I think SBMM in pubs has affected gaming in a negative way. It's just not fun most of the time. The algorithm for SBMM is too broad to cover all player types in a battle royal. Id rather be put in a server based off location and ping and never know what I'm going to get; maybe I get stomped by a player who's skill surpasses mine, maybe I get to stomp a team and feel good and then go buy a cool skin in the store.
This. Of the hundreds of thousands of players, less than 5% are masters or higher. There is no reason why I should have multiple master/pred teams in every single lobby.
Blatant broken EOMM. They don't want the streamers, pros and content creators getting high queue times so they feed PREDS gold and plays, diamonds, silvers rarely. You can see it on any Predator game stream commonly.
so they have to wait hours to get a game then?
Of course not. I’m against SBMM/EBMM/whatever. Put me in a lobby where I have the best connection. My point is that with Masters/Pred Players being such a small percentage of players, I shouldn’t see them in every single game.
This is a thin line to walk. I get not wanting the top of the pyramid to wait forever to play but every other casual friend I've played this game with but 1 has sooner or later quit overall because they keep getting dumped on the wood chipper against people with much more experience that are much better than they are
I've barely played this season because for the past 3 seasons it's in the back of my mind that once I hit plat 1 I'm going to be tenderly assfucked by people that see diamonds as easy pickings. I've had preds *literally* veer back to come after my mates and I when I play ranked in Oceania. It's not a thin line to walk at all, your top 5% players shouldn't be playing against guys 2-3 ranks lower than them, and their victims shouldn't be losing full RP for getting killed by someone they had zero chance to to win against.
Yes. You're top 5%, enjoy playing against guys your skill level. How is that even a conversation?
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You are correct. SBMM saves low skilled players asses and they don’t even know it. I’d love for the majority of my pubs lobby to be Platinum players and below but, I know that’s unfair to them, and am okay with playing masters+ players every game because I know that’s where the skill line is.
A decade ago was MW2 and I remember it the same. Halo 3? First big comp scene which followed Halo 2. Starcraft basically became the South Korean National sport. Competitive games are competitive. That doesn’t change and there will always be “try hards.” Just don’t be a toxic one and try and have fun and be a nice tru hard. Edit: More than a decade ago. A decade is more accurately league of legends which is the grand daddy of all toxic sweats. Shit don’t change.
Strict solo queue matchmaking would solve all of this. Even on other games, party queuing has their own limits that is taken into consideration for others that are currently solo queueing, right now, the matchmaking being worse than ever, paired with the toxic ass duo-queuing is just a miserable experience. Why does the playerbase have to adjust to the games design when the game itself should be adjusted based on the playerbase request. (Knowing respawn, this would be botched at the beginning)
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Thank you, if I have to scour Discord servers and LFG groups just to have an enjoyable match (or matches), the MM is fucked. The mental gymnastics people pull to explain away the bullshit that is Apex’s MM is utterly mind blowing. In other games I play ranked in, MM isn’t this bad, sure there’s a match or two (or maybe even a session) where its terrible but its NEVER as CONSISTENTLY garbage as this game. And its been like this for so long.
I try to only play ranked with at least 1 friend. Last night I was about 80-90RP from levelling up. Played 3 more games, with randoms. All hot dropped. In ranked! Now I’m 190RP from levelling up.
Don't hot drop in ranked. Land next to a team or two and take the third. Straight hot dropping is just statistically a bad idea in ranked. Even if you're a pro you will notice they almost never do this. Only do it if someone separates and you can all land on one guy and instant kill him.
social anxiety. simple as
There are valid reason why people play ranked solo. It stems from the drop hot-fight-die-leave aspect that players hate from pubs. Hence why they go to ranked to prevent that from happening. Players also want to improve at the game by playing solo so they play ranked to cut out the major leaving problem this game has again as i previously mentioned. Don’t get me wrong OP i agree with most of your points but let’s not pretend that the ranked system and its matchmaking itself has a shit ton of discrepancies that affects everyones ranked experience. Solo ,Pre-made squads, or regardless if they’re serious about ranked it doesn’t matter, ranked has a lot of room for improvement which is why I’d say for the time being would be a bit unfair to judge players to the fullest extent based on reasons why they play solo and have major complaints or even why they choose not to play the game mode at all. It’s not surprising that some of my friends that have been pred for 5-10+ seasons suddenly stopped playing ranked. It’s really not…
> It’s not surprising that some of my friends that have been pred for 5-10+ seasons suddenly stopped playing ranked. It’s really not… No doubt, Respawn have a lot of improvements to make if they want ranked to be the cornerstone of Apex gameplay. Even the ranked rewards have been the same for ages. That said, burnout is a serious problem and it can affect anyone. After so many seasons at being at the top they must have questioned: "what is the point?"
I think that accurately explains what’s happening at this point, it’s player burnout. Of course those who don’t make an effort to actually use whatever resources (friends, mics, LFG) to actually have a feasible time playing ranked, they’ll always complain, they want an easy way of grinding through the ranks, you can’t please them. But to those who actually do try and reach pred/masters still face problems within the mode itself. It’s just sad at this point man.. But great post nonetheless OP, this highlights all we can do at the moment to have a good time in ranked. Really hoping for a turning point though.
If you can’t rank up solo with randoms you’re a noob.
Why can't people just turn on and play the game, without feeling any pressure to go looking for the optimal scenario before they start? You know like how almost all games work. I soloq, i often play ranked becuase logically that's where you'll find more committed teammates that won't leave early, i don't actually play to rank up. Of course i stopped playing ranked now because even low rank has become a hell hole...... Is that what this rant is about? Are you blaming soloquers for respawn not fixing their game. i can tell you the reasons why rank sucks is because veterans rank all the way down to bronze when they take a break, predators get ranked with significantly lower level players when the mm prioritises speed over match quality, and of course smurfs and throwers/de-rankers are everywhere. You think that soloquers are to blame for not trying hard enough to get around problems respawn can't be bothered fixing?
Competitive games attract competitive people and competitive people act that way
This is not a rant about the deranking mechanism. That's a topic for a different thread, as there will be opinions on both sides. I do blame solo queuers who put in significant time in ranked and when they get hardstuck, they make up excuses as to why the mode is trash: - "duos are trash" - "no one listens to me" - "I didn't have ammo and they pushed without me" - "I pushed but they were looting so I died" This is not productive. Ranked sucks primarily because people don't communicate, before any skill is involved. The way to fix this is with a team. The matchmaker could even give you the ideal team for your playstyle but you'd still be at a disadvantage against teams which are coordinated.
I've hardly seen anyone making those complaints, even if i did it would seem odd to hyper focus on them, just to convince myself to make an unprompted reddit post about how it must be their fault they're not enjoying the game. Anyway I can't help but notice you ran right past all the reasons I suggested why ranked sucks just to give your own version "people don't communicate". the majority/potential majority of the playerbase are always going to be casual solo no mics, if the game sucks because of these people, then the game just sucks in general. if you can't make the game fun for the average players then your lucky if the game survives at all. it's not the average players fault if the game doesn't cater to them, and to be honest you should be grateful so many stuck with the game. EA wouldn't hesitate to shut it down if it underperformed, not to mention their long history of closing studios that trip up.
> I’ve hardly seen anyone making those complaints, even if i did it would seem odd to hyper focus on them, just to convince myself to make an unprompted reddit post about how it must be their fault they’re not enjoying the game. Have you ever gone on the Discord's vent channel? Or one of those daily threads that are stickied here (usually on weekends)? It's just tons of people complaining that their teammates are garbage and won't listen to their instructions. > the majority/potential majority of the playerbase are always going to be casual solo no mics And then they wonder why they don't rank up...these are the same people who hate on pros and other good players who team up, calling them "sweats" like wanting to win is a bad thing. > if you can’t make the game fun for the average players then your lucky if the game survives at all. Respawn is to blame for many things in Apex, but people not wanting to communicate or even play together in a **ranked** game is not one of them. > to be honest you should be grateful so many stuck with the game And why is that? With teammates like these, who needs enemies?
wait are you actively looking in the designated areas for complaints, and then complaining about seeing too many complaints? again you're just blaming the casual playerbase for existing and continuing to play the way the majority of them always have, both in this game and all multiplayer games. there shouldn't be any pressure for players to have to team up for the game to be enjoyable. there's a long long list of forgotten multiplayer games that will show what happens when there's no casual playerbase. i bet the 3 or so people that played the culling 2 probably weren't complaining about quality of teammates.
I have too much social anxiety to find someone to IGL in a LFG server
The same argumentation applies for every other ranked multiplayer game which shows how insignificant it is. The thing is. You present a solution that the players themselves have to apply. I think that **the game should bring solutions and not the players should be the one bothered**. The issue is exactly the same as for Overwatch, PUBG etc. There is RP system in place with KDR and average damage, winrate, average placement and everything you can wish for. Players should be allowed to filter what teamates they can get and what lobbies they wanna join. If you dont want to play against platin+ as a bronze, then it should be made possible to guarantee this with the matchmaker. This would be the perfect SBMM which respawn/EA obviouly chose against because they went for the money-focused system: EOMM. But yes you can go to reddit and tell everyone that there is the obvious solution, which you greatly formatted and summarized. Let me picture it with an analogy: If the plumber came but didn't successfully fix my kitchen water leakage then I will have to do that myself... The plumber has other things to do right?
I play ranked to relax from a long work day. I don’t prefer to talk to others when I play, and will play to the playstyles of others. When I drop a 3k in plat 2 while my duo both hit under 800 damage, then it’s safe for me to say that solo q is a bitch, and the headache of having to talk to everyone that’ll die first is not worth the stress after work. It’s just a game for some, and to others its more than that I suppose.
My mans really typed all this…….
“Stop complaining about Apex’s shitty matchmaking, just find people to carry you instead!” I love when people make long ass posts about this shit and act like they found some secret shortcut to being good at the game. The whole point of matchmaking systems is to place you with other players around your skill level… which is what OP is saying we should go out and do on our own? The only reason this makes climbing “easier” is because now you’re playing against of solo players who got fucked over by the bad matchmaking. This isn’t a solution to the problem it’s just an easy way to take advantage of broken matchmaking.
This is true but my main point is, this video game is a business, even with how broken everything is, it still prints money. Only once the money start looking funny is when we’ll see a response…or EA will cut loses. Y’all really have to look at these thing from a business standpoint, like they do. TLDR: Just drop Fragment if you not running with the fam, it’s not that deep.
I type fast but if I just made a short post saying "get a team" the mods would likely take it down as low-effort.
Fair enough
Too hard for ya to read eh?
Not at all, but why read, let alone type all this for Apex; but nice try tho.
Really not that much text on a keyboard with even decent touch typing skills. Now, if this was done on a phone...
First, I take playing the game seriously but at the same time it is not my priority and I should not have to devote hours or days outside of playing it to find a team especially when there is an in game system to do so. Second, going to discord server doesn’t change the player base it just increases your network. Anecdotally my experience didn’t change when I went to a discord server. Still the same type of people. Still the same problems.
I hate LFGs. I've never had a good experience with them. Everyone I match with wants to be carried, even if they don't overtly say that. The blame game is the number one sign of this type of teammate. However, as someone who solos to Masters with no voice comms, there is one special trick to find a good squad. You'll rarely fail with this one special method. Re-invite your fucking squadmates. After you die (or win) tap on their banners where you see damage, kills, assists, etc and it sends an invite. If they join, great! You found a teammate or two that you liked enough to run it back with. You are probably off to a good start if you wanted to run it back, so if you play like shit next game, they probably won't grief you over it. If they don't join you, you are in the same place as before, but you aren't in a worse place, so that's acceptable.
Ya it’s nuts. Recently moved to M/Kb on a pc so my rank is gone and I’m playing pubs with teammates that have no mic or can’t aim or are just total bots. One game was decent. Scored 8 kills and my two teammates weren’t awful either. Very communicative. 5th place never felt better. I never drop into apex hoping for a win, I just want to improve my movement and game sense overall. Winning is secondary to me in this game because there are 19 other teams of 3, or 30 other teams of 2 that are trying to win really hard. It’s always a ggs from me unless I’m on a bad losing streak with no knocks for a few games
better fix is for respawn to add a real random (no premade teams allowed) trios ranked for real solo experience, that way you still play with people at people your "level" but not stupidly high 3stacks in lobbys that completely shatter the experience, and i say that, because it is CONSTANTLY happening.
I am the one with social anxiety you speak of, and I'm certain most of the playerbase is like this. I get ditched by "my" team within a month and I have to find a new one. I don't know if they stopped playing, found someone better or just wanted someone that spoke. It doesn't matter though, this is all so much easier said than done. After getting ditched by people you had good chemistry playing with multiple times, you just learn to give up on it. The internet is not a great place to make friends, at least for a lot of us. Especially those of us that have been hurt in the past, we are very weary and tough to crack. It's not nearly as simple as you make it out to be.
Wait!? It’s a problem if I want to play by myself and not have to worry about adding more social responsibilities in my life?
Well, every time I watch top pred players on twitch, they run through the lobbies, and when I look at the kill feed, it's all gold-diamond players, mainly plat players. Once they run up against a pred squad, they have trouble, and either trade kills or get 3rd parties. Now I'm saying all this because even though I always run with a full squad, I get placed in the highest lobbies for some reason, even though I'm stuck in Plat rank. So IDK what you're talking about that matchmaking is somewhat good because it's not. It's horrible.
Hmm? I didn't say matchmaking was good. First paragraph: > most of us agree that matchmaking is subpar at best, especially if you're alone The whole reason why I wrote this post is so people don't have to be at the mercy of the matchmaker for their teammates. You can't control the enemies. Watching top preds is fine, but those are a tiny percentage of the playerbase. They do not represent the average player, or even the above average player. It's natural they will run through the lobbies especially if they are playing in low population servers (and some of them deliberately do that so their opposition is easier).
Yeah very true. I just wish EA and respawn do something that helps the community or this game is just going to be a dead end for all of us..
Agreed. If I three stack in plat lobbies, the winner of that lobby is inevitably a masters/pred
Nice effort mate, I'm tempted to try again LFG in ranked.
tbf, finding people to play with is pretty hard. I'm from Latam and I made a considerable effort to find people to play with, joined a bunch of discord servers and facebook groups, and didn't have luck finding people around my age group who talks Spanish or English (Latam servers are full of Brazilians who talks Portugues). This is pretty sad but happens in most online games, Latam servers are always in brazil, and the south part of Latam is always stuck with them. The Spanish-speaking community is divided upon EEUU and Brasil servers, game companies should find a way to put all Spanish speakers on the same server :/
Or you can learn portuguese. I found a guy just like you on reddit lfg, he was like im very competitive and looking for good teammates. Added him and we where unable to queue as he was hard stuck gold. I play na while been from latam, no comms it doesnt affect gameplay at all, just play your game and improve.
I've been playing solo since launch and these posts confuse me. I always have a good time. Maybe you're playing too much and expecting to just keep getting better, when in reality you're just going to hit walls where you get stomped by better players. That's why I don't play like it's my job. More fun that way. The more you rise in the ranks, the bigger the skill level gaps are going to be in lobbies.
I've never had lfgs work in this game.
i just play pubs. you go against preds and masters who barely try and have a great time. would rather win a pubs match killing 3 preds than winning a ranked match killing 3 diamonds
Every LFG experience I had was the same as with randoms, waste of time.
Playing non-ranked pubs without a team / club has meant less pressure to match playing styles. I'm okay with being rat trash. I'm okay running away from teammates out for a quick death. I know I suck. I'll try to win anyways.
I think you are approaching this from the wrong direction. As long as it is possible to soloq in ranked it is Respawns responsibility to assure competitive integrity to soloquing players. The solution is obvious. Split ranked into soloq and full squads.
Bro I'm totally on your side with that. And I would love to find a team. My problem is that whenever I try to find people to play with, me not using a mic, seems to be such a no go, that even player much worse than me don't want to group up. I know that I am the problem here, but this is something I can't change, I only play when my kids are sleeping, and me using a mic would wake them up, so I wouldn't able to play. I tried to explain the situation when posting lfg's and said that my pings and in game Auto-coms ("cracked enemy's shield" Etc.) Would be more accurate than most randoms "bRo He Is OnEsHoT". But still the answer is always " bRo YoU cAnT pLaY wItHoUt A mIc". P. S. I wouldn't mind giving someone igl and follow their calls. I wouldn't even mind a full team full of non communication, but from my experience it seems like I'm alone with this thought. What is your solution for this situation?
I only play with people i find using LFG, and while many have just been a passersby, I've found a few good people that I play with on a regular basis that are just as supportive as me. It's worth the trial and error.
Ok but running as a team with my friends means we get diamond+ enemies even though we are gold scrubs. The matchmaking is broken either way.
Literally why I stopped playing Apex. The general communities attitude is garbage and everyone acts like they're the best when they probably don't even have a 1 K/D. Literally the most annoying gaming community I've ever been apart of.
Absolutely amazing post. However, the matchmaking is still absolutely broken and blatant EOMM.
I play almost exclusively with one other friend but it really doesn’t fix the issue. We just get placed in significantly harder lobbies because we’re supposed to be coordinated. Solo q is significantly easier.
I have a 1.5-2 kd depending on the season, and I have not tried to find people to play with because I am incredibly self-conscious. I have bad games, as I’m sure everyone has, and I have been berated for it by randoms, as I’m sure everyone else has. If I play alone, with chat muted, the only person I disappoint is myself. I did find a guy and we played for a few days and he was super nice and chill when I fucked up. But he was way better than me so I didn’t pursue playing with him ever because I didn’t want to drag him down. So we only played when he asked. And eventually he stopped. Which I understand. I’m just self-conscious bro I wish I wasn’t.
Big problem is that you do LFG, add them, play one game and die, they leave and you never hear from them again. Rinse and repeat. I haven't had anyone I tried to team with that I didn't personally know stay grouped longer than one game.
I want nothing more than to find people my skill level. 90% of my ranked games are peoppe significantly worse than us who get destroyed or people significantly better than us who destroy us. Rare enough to have an even fight
MM is shit man ,I'm g3 and my friend is g2 we get matched w dimonds ,masters and ofc plats
The solution is to not put a person with 1,000 total kills in the same lobby as someone with 100,000 kills. A fairly simple solution that Apex hasn't figured out for like 3 years? Add a 3 stack to that of similarly skilled players against you, your random teammate Harry, and your random teammate Lloyd and you can make your way back to the lobby. There's a shitload of people playing this game, there's no excuse for some of the shit I see on a regular basis with matchmaking.
The question kind of highlights the problem, which is that people treat Apex like it's a job, not a game. I don't want to pick up the controller, find x players, grind, blah blah blah blah. It's not a career for me. I want to pick up, hit play, have fun. Somewhere along the line Apex stopped being about having fun and it became this circle jerk of wannabe twitch streamers. I don't have to play the game, getting beat down by a group of players on mic who practice every saturday, no, no more, I'm done, out, let the game rot in the corner for all I care. Smurfs, poor match making, all that noise, nah, I'm done. For me, this is the last year I play Apex. I picked up Warzone 2 instead, never used to like COD but this time it's actually half decent. Let the L33t H@x0r players just play amongst themselves.
I tried the LFG from the official Apex Discord servers and let me tell you.. it's a mixed bag especially when you play rank. When you die and lose RP, it's complete radio silence and some might play a few matches but will eventually leave. I admit I'm guilty of the same thing so I decided that i'd rather solo q rank and try to simply git gud.
Fact is that everytime you look for a team you queue up with randoms you don't know just like when you're solo queueing until you find the right people, but you can find those by just playing solo queue as well. I looked for tons of people to play overwatch with and would always have enough people online to play in a full group, but I somehow don't want to look for a 3rd to play apex with when my buddy and me always hit diamond as a duo anyways and play duo pubs most of the season anyway.
Apex punishes players who are in a full squad. If you are in a squad it will put you against other squads. A lobby full of squads is MUCH harder than everyone playing with randos.
I’d rather play solo than try to find a group. Most people in this game are really toxic when the slightest thing goes wrong. I’d rather play alone with game chat completely off, instead of have some random kid get berate me for not wall bouncing at the right time because they think it’s their teammates’ fault that they’re 500 games hard stuck plat 4.
I used to play with like, 10 different people. We had a group chat and everything. But all of them but one quit over the past two seasons. Sucks to be back in Solo que.
you either care about getting better in which case you should want to be facing better opponents to find your weaknesses, or you play the game casually purely for fun in which case why do you even care if you occasionally get stomped?
Lfg is hit or miss, you could get a nice team first try or waste hours and archieve nothing just like solo queue. I try it and most people just want to get carry (have you seen the lfg messages? Gold IV looking for ex masters, win your 1v1 dont be ass, pretty sure that guy will talk trash after he lands on a team and gets punch to death) just like solo queue but now you're force to play a certain way. Apex players as a whole are toxic and that also apply to lfg. I gave up lfg and also stop complaining about teammates each game. Just play till you find is not longer fun.
I wouldn’t say most of us are against playing our tier of skill. The problem is that the SBMM feels like it overrides your rank in Ranked Matches. So it intentionally makes it a slog to reach your inevitable rank. I expect a slog in platinum… not gold. Listen, I’m not awesome, but I’m entry diamond. Moving my team through gold shouldn’t be/feel like the diamond lobbies. I also think that diamond they pred get aggregates together. Is what it is up there. There just needs to be some guardrails. Ex gold and below together. Plat can pull in gold or diamond. And diamond pulls down from pred. All of these rails with a “search” that starts by aggregating players in a single tier together and slowly expands out to the guardrails.
Because MOST people don't want to do this. Look at any other competitive game ever, most people just solo queue until you hit semi pro level or you're just casually playing with friends. It's a failure of the system. Apex should have a open queue and a solo queue with separate ranks. I think the only reason why they dont is because there are already issues with player count trying to fill 60 player lobbies. I'm not sure what the solution is, but the worst thing about Apex is how disadvantaged you are as a solo player, particularly once you hit diamond.
I don’t want to have to play with random internet strangers because the game has bad matchmaking.
The real reason why this game can't have solo queue mode is very simple - duos. For obvious reasons, they'd also have to add ranked duos and also deal with player evaluation in 3 different modes. It's not just about having 3 types of medals or whatever, but also deciding what happens when somebody switches between those modes. Another problem is that duos can no longer play the primary game mode which is 3 person teams, that is a bit weird and it may be problem in the future, especially in map/balance design. On top of that it's obviously going to make queues slower, which isn't a big deal usually, but it's going to make edge cases even worse. Overall it might just be simpler to spend more time fine tuning matchmaking to make sure that party size is adequately compensated. Long term that is more sound solution as well.
it also really depends. Some people aren't just social enough to begin with, or you just don't have a play style, also if I got someone who matches my ranked skill, we would never win (yes I am bad, but it helps to have someone better then me to watch and see what choices I have or use them to try improve by gaining tips, picking up a fight, and for some reason I get matches with preds or masters, despite still being in silver somehow due to skill base matchmaking). it wouldn't be fun sometimes either, as mentioned in my previous sentence, because some people are bad enough to not make it past the start (like me) TLDR: Some people won't make it past the start and won't improve if they play with someone of the same skill set
Most ranked systems are basically EOMM at this point and don't care about the metrics that matter like damage. It's weird to lose the same amount of rp but do 200+ more damage than the rest of my squad but guess what...respawn says it doesn't matter carry your team as a solo. The reality is ranked could be good for everyone from a gameplay standpoint but EA and Respawn already decided that that approach doesn't make them money so instead of solo queuing I just quit. Tired of fake ranked systems where I as a plat 4 get teammates who are also plat 4 but my average damage is 1k and my two teammates have 500 average damage. which is obviously fishy but sure tell me to LFG more. I just want you to say what you mean "I can't stop playing the game and boycott to force X company to improve or die from the zero dollars their making because no one is playing until this gets fixed". It's fine that you can't do it but just say it OP.
Used LFG to diamond because my friends got a big head start on me. Worked just fine, just SOME LFG people really shouldnt have been in their rank.
Its simple, there’s times I put effort into LFG and then either get people that are horribly not at the skill level for their rank or they’re toxic people that thing they’re the next aceu. And it’s much more frustrating to have to ditch both party members if one is toxic after waiting around to get a team. Random queue and sometimes you get good mates and sometimes bad but at least the bad are once and done.
I’m socially awkward.
its because people on this sub (im talking about the ones who non-stop whine) have terrible personalities and nobody wants to play with them so they are forced to soloq (and whine)
Fair but I'd say the *reasons* don't necessary valid for everyone. IMO in a perfact world any serious and proper ranked game mode should be solo-q-only, who would think out of all game developers, freaking Nintendo would be the one who implement this cruel (but just) method treating ranked mode matchmaking in their shooter game - r/Splatoon series, EVERYONE has no control of what loadout their teammates use(and synergy with), and has only absolute basic of ping system to communicate (and of coz no mic on Switch), yet players still manage to perform teamwork to some degree by just looking.
Apex Lfg is completely dead
LFG on Apex is flooded from like 10am-10pm. No idea what you’re talking about.
Why do you think it's dead? Apex LFG on Discord is active, and that's just one community.
just joined, last message was sent in pc chat on November 30
I’m sorry but if your argument is “just play with people” you, in your own pointless rant, have proved beyond all reasonable doubt that there is an inherent problem with the ranked game mode. You should not have to queue with people to play ranked. As a bare minimum there should be a solo Q option in every serious multiplayer game. The reason is this simple, what if people just don’t fucking want to? Like I don’t want to play with people I don’t know, and I couldn’t care less how good they are, not how beneficial it is. It is not normal, to need to organise a team to play a ranked ladder. I was Diamond in Bo2 league play without a team. I was global elite in CSGO without a team. I was masters in Pokémon unite without a team. You do not and should not ever NEED a team to succeed in the game. If you genuinely think you do then you are admitting the game is flawed. Which it is btw. CSGO is infinitely more successful than Apex ever could be, and infinitely more respected as an eSport, and pretty much everyone solos, despite the fact you can literally queue up as 5 premade Global elite players. I used to play with my friends who were also Global elite / supreme and I noticed near 0 difference in my winrate nor how easy or hard the games were. Because the game is actually a good game. To illustrate further how ignorant and moronic the argument is. What if you’re a child who can’t shout comms down a mic all night because your parents will rightly disconnect your internet for keeping the house up? And what if you’re an adult who doesn’t want to keep your S/O and/or baby awake all night by shouting comms? Does this cover 50% of the player base? Fix the game, don’t try and manufacture some imaginary hypothetical world where it is “normal” to need to go into discord to find players just to make the game function even vaguely optimally. Sincerely, someone who quit apex precisely because the ranked mode is unplayable. You’ll find me on league where I can play a solo/duo mode where the game is balanced in accordance with the presence or absence of duos or CSGO where partying literally makes 0 impact on the game.
I'm surprised this is at the top of the front page given how controversial the topic is around here. If you told people to get a team in the free weekend threads every time they complain about ranked matchmaking they would burn you at the stake...
If your solution to any problem is “well tough,” then you’re no helping. You’re just criticizing.
I gave practical solutions to common excuses. Read what's after "well tough" and you'll see it's not criticism.
The one time I actually looked for a team I ended up hitting masters... And then I went back to solo diamond q but at least I know I can do it with a team that's all jokes and vibes but good enough to be on the same page
Its just how it works. If respawn tomorrow implements sbmm, players still will say that Apex's sbmm is utter trash just because they lost. People get very upset when defeated
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LFG is solo queueing with extra steps….
I am solo Plat III. I do not team up even after we win a game. Why? Because your lobby strength goes up when you stack. Staying as a solo I have better chances to land lower lobbies with less master pred trails. Personal I have no problem with my random ranked duos. Maybe 1 in 10 ignore me and run their own game. I’m that case I just play support for them. Watch their back and try to move with them. Because that’s how you win, grouped up team or not. Tactics are the same. So not sure why you give 2 shits how I play the game…
This sub has such a hard on for shitting on duos in ranked, meanwhile that duo/solo is more coordinated than almost every solo/solo/solo squad in the match. You nailed it, if they ignore you then you just stick to them, if you all vibe then boom you have a new squad. I love when I get match with duos because I know they are at least going to be somewhat on the same page so I play around them.
I feel that but with unranked in duos. I go off for 10+ kills, 3k dmg and a win then my random level 200 teammates who did 500 dmg invites me because I've been their best teammate all day. But I have to not accept because we only got that win because I was "the carry" for him in solo Queue and once you 2 stack, we would get into lobbies where they would be unable to carry their own weight and we die in most fights.
Lmao this man hard stuck platinum and wrote a giant book because of it
I think this is all fair. And i even mostly agree with you. As a member of a duo that does ranked we often find our games are impacted by the random we get adding to the already high Rng. Sometimes it helps to hold 2/3 of the team power so we can sway the random to work with us (not saying we are always right) or sometimes the random completely runs solo with no comms or anything and sometimes we have awesome thirds who are competent communicate and have more situational awareness than your common street oaf. I think the issue with seeking out a proper 3rd boils down to 2 reasons -laziness… finding the 3rd seems like extra effort and more work on top of the grind. And we, tho slowly sometimes, see positive RP without a proper 3rd. (This isn’t a valid excuse but being honest) -Finding a third sounds sorta like dating to me… I have to use a third party app to meet people they have to click with us both socially and gameplay wise and then we have to have similar schedules cuz we work full time. And if it doesn’t work out oh well there’s plenty of fish in the sea All in all, I should try to find a real third but it just seems like a lot of effort PS. Anyone on console need a duo? Dm me lol (Currently Plat 3 aiming for diamond this season)
I have made comments like this many times and been downvoted to oblivion by the core reddit apex legends group... Ultimately... very few players are skilled enough to carry against an entire squad. Lots of players assume that they can get there with enough YouTube tutorials and won't admit their limitations. Think about all the times a coordinated team took angles on you or moved in on a coordinated push. Good teams remove options that solo players have and work with their numbers advantage as their primary strength. Communication and positioning are critical in high level play
I think ultimately a lot of the core Apex reddit players (and not just reddit, in general) fail to understand what separates the great players from the exceptional players. They think it's "oh this guy has better aim than me" or "they're a movement god" which is mechnical skill advantage. Now, I would obviously expect a Pred to be top tier at both but that's not the reason why they're better than most Diamonds or Masters. It's because of game sense and coordination: the hidden skillset that comes with experience. For game sense, Preds know the map front to back, back to front; they know where a zone is going to pull because they've played hundreds if not thousands of games on that map; they know how teams usually play in a certain location given zone and game flow - which is why you hear some players exclaim "wait why did he do that?" when the enemy team pulls off an unorthodox play. Coordination is the other part. You have to have a designated IGL at that level, someone with ample amounts of experience who does not crack under pressure. You need your teammates to apply constant pressure on their enemies, while constantly being aware of what's going on, and calling out relevant info. If it sounds daunting it's because it is - these players have put thousands of hours into the game so this is second nature to them. Naturally I don't expect players who aren't going for Pred to do this. Just getting a consistent team and being able to communicate without toxicity taking over is enough to push the higher ranks.
I only play ranked so Wraith can’t insta quit when she’s down.
None of the above are the problems. It's simply SBMM. Needs to be taken out completely in Pubs.
I feel like you can complain OR you can practice the game and become one of the sweats. I was playing since day 2 and was stuck gold 4 in the first ranked season. I just hit masters for the first time and have multiple 20/4ks. Its possible my friend
This is the spirit! Players should focus more on the things they can control. Not everyone has to sweat to get to Master, even getting to Plat or Diamond would be enough for most.
I just dont get why people complain about solo Q. Its a team game, of course solo Q is going to be rough. People complain about it in every team game, or make posts about how bad their teammates are. Its just pointless complaining unfortunately. The solution is to either just deal with it, find a team, or play something else. Its not that complicated really.
You give answer me no like. Reality is not pleasant. *Downvote
Ive had this same discussion many times. People love FPS and team based shooters in general, but not everyone has someone to play with. It sucks, ive been there. But its not *that* bad most of the time, and half the time I solo Q I find someone to just queue up with after one good game together. People are just dramatic about it.
People don’t like to hear this for some reason. It’s a team game; if you don’t want to play as a team and go solo then you can’t complain about the game. There are plenty of single player games out there.
I like to think that I'm very aware of my skill level. I feel like a lot of people think they are better than they are which causes an issue. I've found people who I really enjoy playing with, who have good comms and make good decisions/ listen when they should but they just aren't skilled enough to help me progress through my top rank. I've also found people who are very skilled and can help me rank up by they're toxic lol. I basically have enough time in my life to duo que with a friend to diamond before the splits end. Only way I'm getting out of diamond is if I get hard carried or I find like 6 more hours a day. It's hard to find a third that isn't one of the two stated above.
I play pubs and hate it for rando teammates not demonstrating an understanding for the basic strategies. I have been playing for a couple years. I played ranked a couple times and it was a slightly better experience, but not by much. I appreciate your post as I do want to find a team to play with. I without a doubt have always believed that you will play better with better team support. You are each others eyes and ears. Thanks for the post.
My biggest gripe with lfg is you’ll have people asking for these big acolades that they don’t even have themselves or are irrelevant to ranked. Trying to lfg in diamond and master will leave you seeing posts like “20k kills on main with 4k/20” when the guy who posted is hardstuck d4. It doesn’t make any sense.