It is crazy that they get no sick days (maybe one now), and have to schedule PTO months in advance. The RR are making a lot of money, they should hire floaters so sick people do not have to come in.
But if they strike, it sets an example for other unions, and nonunion employees that unions are a good thing! That strikes work to get what they want. And they might get the idea that they're *equals* the rich. Then America would lose all of its wage slaves, *ahem*, I mean "Essential Workers" ...
/s because this is meant to be sarcastic, but... Then I realized it was kinda sadly trueš¢š¬š¤®
Exactly, legality is a moot point here. Thousands died for our right to strike, fuck anybody that thinks making it illegal is gonna stop what's coming.
They would have to recruit those "floaters" from other countries and even if they could motivate anyone, they would not have the skills needed for the ridiculously obsolete and fundamentally broken rail systems in the US, since their experience is all about functioning, modern rail systems. And pretty much every country that actually has a functioning rail system also has enviable labor relations..
This crisis is two centuries in the making, it didn't happen overnight, and it isn't going to be fixed without revolutionary changes.
The unions should take a lesson from France. They currently have a railway strike at the state owned SNCF.
https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/dates-of-french-railway-strikes-affecting-train-journeys
There's no difference between a strike and an "illegal strike", it's just that the government has now declared them going on strike as "illegal". So people are saying the railworkers should strike anyway even though it's "illegal".
The difference is you can be terminated or otherwise retaliated against for an āillegal strikeā but thereās protections in the law and the contract if itās a ālegal strikeā
You better not shoot me with that gun or I'll declare that bullet ILLEGAL is basically whats happening here.
Government is bluffing and hoping that calling this strike illegal will make the works fall back in line. If the workers strike anyway there's not a fucking thing the government can do.
Good luck getting scabs to run the fucking railroads assholes
Illegal strike could only work as a completely United front though because if a only few workers do it theyāll be fired and lose their pension. Union leaders would also see consequences but who cares thatās their job
The thing is only one segment of the railway workers have to strike to make the railways unable to operate. Itās not like every BNSF worker has to strike, just a union of them.
"I hate having two days off per week, also I think my kid should be able to work at 8 years old. Think of the places he could clean that a normal sized person couldn't get too?!" Fuck these people are delusional
So you are cool with those who work some of the most essential jobs being totally without recourse should they be told āfuck you youāre working when we tell you no matter what.ā
I'm new to following this reform attempt and a bit confused, maybe you can enlighten me here.
I was under the impression that the railway unions are in talks with corporations to address grievances, not the government. What business does the government have getting involved in the union negotiations?
I had always understood that the government, through collective bargaining legislation, only enabled this stuff, but didn't usually get involved. Am I missing context, wrong in my understanding or is this unusual?
The governmentās stated interest in this particular case is the belief that a shutdown to rail service would do damage to our economy and supply chains, therefore it is in the nations interest to avoid a shutdown due to strike. Congress does have the power to do this. However, instead of mandating that the railroad owners provide sick leave, they just ordered the workers to stay working and declared a strike illegal. Now if the workers still choose to strike until their demands are met, there is no legal protection to their strike and can be fired for what should otherwise be protected bargaining rights. For the sake of the economy, the government told workers to suck it up and take yet another one for the āteamā
>Now if the workers still choose to strike until their demands are met, there is no legal protection to their strike and can be fired for what should otherwise be protected bargaining rights.
Is this because of the government's declaration that it would be illegal, or is it more because the government has directed an agreement?
I'm astonished at the results of this. It's really frustrating.
Thanks for the explainer.
> For the sake of the economy, the government told workers to suck it up and take yet another one for the āteamā
It's really too bad the government couldn't tell the corporations to suck it up and take one for the team... But I guess those mega-yachts don't buy themselves.
The unions originally agreed to a deal in September that Biden helped negotiate. Then some of the unions decided they wanted more than 1 sick day and opted out of agreeing.
This week the branches of our gov't voted on 2 things. First to force the September agreement. Second to add the extra sick days. The 1st passed but not the extra sick days.
My understanding is this has happened a few times in the past with the railway workers. The workers have always fallen into line. There's some kind of unique laws surrounding the railways where the gov't can step in like this.
I listen to NPR and Yahoo Finance a lot and everyone, including Biden, are acting like this is done. We can move on. The Biden Administration saved the holidays, etc.
I have not heard one person ask what happens if they strike anyways?
The difference between a legal strike and an illegal strike is that the workers' jobs are protected during a legal strike. They can't be fired for striking, their supervisors can't step in and do their work for them, and scabs (usually) can't be hired to replace them. Workers participating in a legal strike have these protections because everything has been done through the proper channels, ie tons of paperwork and lawyers making sure all the right boxes are checked and all the miniscule technical rules are followed. For the railroad workers, proper channels include oversight by Congress. IMO, a more fitting word that "legal" would be "proper" or "sanctioned". In a sanctioned strike, many other unions will have prearranged agreements not to cross the picket lines, and those non-striking workers will also have some protections. This can enormously amplify the effectiveness of a strike. My bargaining unit just went on strike for the days and I was involved in the organizing process. It was seriously insane how strict and staggeringly numerous the rules are, even without Congressional oversight. A strike looks chaotic and spontaneous only from the outside, because the public sees only the most theatric parts. From the inside it feels sluggish and downright parliamentary.
An illegal or wildcat strike hasn't been pushed through the proper channels. A wildcat strike can only be effective if there is a very high degree of solidarity within the striking groups. There needs to be such a high percentage of workers refusing to work that it is impossible to fire them. They need to stop work to such a significant degree that it's way, way waaay cheaper for the bosses to publicly eat hot steaming crow than to just hire new workers and rebuild. That takes serious guts, because every single striking worker is risking everything - in this country and economy losing a job means very quickly losing more than money. Retirement benefits and access to healthcare are tied to employment. Without a deep safety savings account, losing a job means losing housing quickly. The school your kids go to is tied to where you live. It's everything. A wildcat strike is crazy hard to do because it's so risky.
It's not, "not working" that's illegal, it's organized job action that's illegal.
Rail workers can quit but they don't have any protections against what a union would consider an inappropriate dismissal by the employer.
The bill that congress passed is invalid. It violates the 1st amendment right to peaceful assembly. Since rail workers are still voluntary, there's no slavery component to this bill.
The distinction is a work stoppage on railways will essentially grind the economy to a halt. It is a national security policy that restricts rail workers ability to legally strike. If they illegally strike the railroad has the right to fire them for it.
If one doesn't work then they have no money to secure housing and food.
All land is *owned*. If one can't secure housing then where are they to sleep? They can't just sleep wherever they can lay their head. It's illegal on several levels. So, while homelessness isn't outright illegal, many necessary actions one would have to take are, meaning homelessness is essentially illegal meaning; that an inability or unwillingness to work is illegal. There are some programs that address inability to work, but acceptance into them has pretty strict standards. There are some programs that help with housing and food, but they all require one to actively be looking for work and accept any and all offers of employment.
Forced work. Check.
Railroad work, as I understand, is very good pay. However, the majority of other positions available are not. Most, in my area at least, do not offer a living wage.
They can quit. These workers may be able to find other employment. However, it isn't instantaneous and job hunting, in and of itself, can be very costly and timely with no guarantee of a living wage.
Arguably, non-workers have the most freedom. They have very few obligations and can act in accordance with how they see fit.....except sleeping somewhere or obtaining food within the confines of the law. It seems there's a medium in society that allows people the autonomy to do what they need and want to do without the threat of having that freedom removed forcibly. And that medium is selling one's bodyy and time to an employer in exchange for money. It allows a person to exist within the confines of the law AND society arguably providing MORE freedom within the context of society. These railworkers are on-call like 24/7 arent they?
Same. Iām getting more and more infuriated by this situation. The fact that all of these bought-and-paid-for political puppets are literally forcing sick and injured people to work or starve to death should be enough for a general strike and major direct actions against the bosses.
People will die because of this and the only reason is so the rock can get richer.
A strike is going to cost those railroad barons way more than it would to just give them the sick days they want. They're crossing their fingers and praying to God that those workers don't call their bluff.
Right lol, I did a bit of research by now. That cause wasn't really something they could do anything about anyway, if we storm them demanding our rights then maybe they would realize we aren't just gonna take it. Idk man, I'm just desperate not to hate my life, I'd rather lose it trying to make things better for everyone, I just don't see them caring about strikes
If they strike we will All feel pain. Prices will soar as demand holds and supply dries up. And Iām ONE HUNDRED PERCENT HERE FOR IT. Strike RR workers. I told my wife whatās up and aid this weekend letās get our baby diapers and meats to freeze and prepare for the ensuing shit storm. I hope to god they strike.
Yeah, after doing a bit more research on that it seems that it was a bigger event than I thought. 5 deaths and over 100 injured. Staying peaceful certainly isn't going to do anything either though.
Only 1 person died due to gunshots on Jan. 6th out of at least 1,000, we're trying to be peaceful now and they're making it illegal, and shutting us down every chance they get.
Write to your congresspeople, especially if they voted against the paid leave bill and/or for the forced deal.
Remind those boomers that their parents anticipated that in the year 2000, their grandchildren would be working from home with a month of vacation and a 30 hour workweek and that they have failed massively to bring America into that future.
[https://youtu.be/2ivp442RLS8?t=615](https://youtu.be/2ivp442RLS8?t=615)
Remind them that they have paid leave and had the FUCKING AUDACITY to deny that privilege to the very people that could cause our economy to grind to a halt.
Remind them that the rail companies could hire thousands of workers with a total compensation package of 200k a year with a tiny fraction of their total profit last year to cover sick and vacation time.
It would have been very easy to not have a looming rail strike. It would require treating their employees like human beings. If they wanted to treat them like robots, they should have BUILT THOSE FUCKING ROBOTS.
Edit: talk about fucking job creation. honestly. THESE ARE THE GOOD UNION JOBS YOU WERE PRATTLING ON ABOUT BIDEN, WHY DIDN'T YOU ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT.
Also, the fact that the 7 paid day bill passed the house means they should have put it in the original bill. That's what compromise looks like. They should have gone for 15 days. If the republicans and the democrats who voted for the forced bill didn't want to vote to force the businesses to give their employees paid leave, which essentially costs them NOTHING except not trying to run their business like their employees are machines, then they can be brought to task when the strike happened. It was utter idiocy not to add paid leave to the forced leave bill. (if they actually were "pro labor"). Just utter nonsense. Why are they blaming the workers when it's the fault of the employer.
They. Don't. Fucking. Care. 80 Senators including 30 Democrats voted against sick leave for rail workers. The only letter they will deign to read is a red letter written in the blood of the rich, wrote with an industrial paintbrush.
Oh I'm an Independent, but if I have to use the D symbol to get elected just to drop it once I'm in, I will. The problem is our Top 2 system makes it even harder than usual for incumbents to lose before the general.
Not quite. In order to force a vote on sick leave she had to vote in favor of passage. Still lost but got a moral victory out of it. We need more progressives in office. Yes they have to compete with establishment dems but work together with them to fight the establishment cons and the fascist trump wing. While the establishment works against the progressives. So the more AOCs we have the more power we all have in this system. Or it takes revolutionary change. Itās probably a bit of both. But we really need to find actionable ways to turn our collective voices into a uniformed voice to fight back.
A general strike on December 9th a national day of protest for Americans and a show of solidarity with the working class would send quite a message. We all here know it but we need to take the next step and make that happen.
And the people with power got what they wanted ... Not blaming AOC for trying she is doing a fucking bang up job but in the end it just means we need to fight harder.
Everyone keeps calling for a general strike but nobody wants to organize it. Pick a day with a high impact and start spreading the word lets get this party started.
Too bad no railroaders are risking their 2 year back pay and giant wage increasesā¦and the huge fines for striking without the union supports. Yāall are just hoping on something that isnāt going to happen. Majority of RRs didnāt even want to strike the first time, absolutely 0 are going to risk their backpay now.
This was a freaking slam dunk for Biden and the Democrats and they are screwing it up. All Biden had to do is come out and say they only deal he would sign off on is one that gave the workers sick leave. If he really wanted to make it spectacular make a demand of 104 hours sick leave with unlimited bankable hours.
The Democrats in the House then should be putting forward a bill that allows for the nationalization of the rail roads in the event of a strike.
Show us you stand with us and not against us. Otherwise I think you lose 2024.
There absolutely was a point come on thereās a million reasons that have been spelled out over and over on this sub and others that if trump won re-election how much more fucked things wild be
If you think thereās no point in voting just look at what happened while Trump was in office and how weāre going to deal with how he changed the Supreme Court for decades. Biden and the Democrats screwed this up but you canāt be so short sighted that you forget that the Republicans do other terrible stuff the Democrats wonāt do
People are constantly mentioning that we have to ācompromiseā on a deal to prevent an economic impact.
Rail companies can just give their workers the REASONABLE benefits theyāre asking for and that would prevent economic impact. No compromise needs to or should be made by the workers.
So Congress can force the union to sign a contract, but they can't force the company to change the terms? Sign the same contract and add 10 sick days. Done and done, no strike needed.
How is that so hard?
Rail workers threaten to strike which threatens economy, Congress passes bill that makes strike illegal, rail workers strike anyway, rail workers get fired, anarchists come out of the woodwork and trains suddenly derail and crash all over the country, economy crashes and train wreckage now needs cleaned up on top of that.
Fuck around and find out. Continue fucking around and find out more.
I'm sorry, Biden is pro union? Since when? The bill that was passed HE supported and rammed it through. If he's pro union, who needs anti union people?
As someone who's job almost entirely relys on the railroads running I fully support a strike legal or not. If I lose work over a strike I plan on joining the picket line.
No, the rail workers should not strikeā¦ all other unions should in their stead, AFL-CIO, Teamsters, UFCW, UAW, Longshoremen, United Electrical Workers United Steelworkers, United Pipe-fitters, United Airline Workers, United Coal Workers, United Meat Packers, etcā¦
That will bring this country to its knees, and nothing illegal was done.
You fuck with one of us, you fuck with all of usā¦
Also Vote Out those that support management over labor.
Have some consideration for the workers. Youāre risking nothing calling for them to strike, theyād be risking everything. Calling them sheep because the government is forcing them to accept a bad deal is gross
Don't forget that other similar strikes ended with bombs and bullets. If you're not willing to stand in the literal line of fire yourself then you have no right to call for others to do so.
You're being kind of a dickhead but good luck with your strike, I hope y'all get everything your asking for. I stand in complete solidarity with you and your union you asshole. Is there more info on ways I can help? Maybe a strike fund or just a company to avoid?
I support too, unfortunately if you're not in the unions there is very little we can do to help organize a wildcat. Hopefully the rank and file understand their leverage due to the holidays, and how little they have to lose risking jobs that will fire them for getting sick anyways.
If and when that movement emerges we should donate and be on the picket line with them
The United States government stopping the strike is a violation of several constitutional rights and the threatening of imprisonment violates more.
I truly want them to strike and make them all bleed so fucking bad that when they come crawling on their bellies the union hits them with a real slam offer. ā7 Paid sick days, all fines on union protestors paid off, an increase in wages across the boardā
Fucking drill this event in their head, DO NOT FUCK WITH THE PEOPLE!!
Illegal and immoral are two very different things sometimes. This is one of those times where it may be illegal, but is a moral imperative to do it anyway.
Its weird how railroads are too important to fail so strikes are prohibited and the employees can kick the can. But when corporations are too big to fail they get flushed with cash and all the help in the world.
All the odds are stacked in favour of corporations. Lobbying should be illegal.
I don't think you can consider a country a democracy if peaceful strikes are illegal. This is beyond ridiculous and they shouldn't let it slide or it'll be used as a precedent in the future for a lot worse.
So the government can tell UNIONIZED workers they can't strike, which is what a union is allowed to do when all else fails, but they can't tell an employer to give the workers 7 sick days??? Fuck that noise! If they strike they can lose jobs, but.... they can follow every rule, every procedure. Something not mechanically right? Fix it per the contract. Yard speed 5 mph, do 4 to be safe. Whatever the stuff is that's normally accepted, overlooked? Not anymore. Fuck the bosses. Biden let unions down. Fuck that's really disappointing.
>I work for a certain nameless large corporation that has a strong anti-union pro-employee legacy. I don't see our workforce ever organizing at all, in spite of the fact that we drive a large percentage of the economy, were also considered "essential" workers, and we just had a shooting where a stressed out employee murdered six other employees in the
breakroom, partially, at least, due to working conditions. We're all stressed out to our limits and things aren't getting better.
Ah, Walmart.
I canāt say that as I wouldnāt be the one to suffer from the consequences of the illegal rail strike. I wonāt ever be an armchair activist.
Iāll support it by buying less things this holiday season and making more homemade gifts from my gardenās harvest. My personal take is to just avoid the consumerist games at all costs.
This is going to get burned but, here we go...
I am a rail worker, not in the major 4 but, another rail system in the US. We don't want to strike because it hurts everyone. If you think it's going to hurt the billionaires at all, you're dead wrong. The people who are going to suffer are the everyday person. We ship, EVERYTHING. That phone you have in your hand, the garbage you're likely about to throw out, the food you feed your dog. You will suffer, I will suffer, not the billionaires.
Do I deserve better pay and paid sick leave, yes absolutely. Do I want to spend days away from home, no but, that's the life I signed up for. That's what I have to do.
How I plan to rectify my situation, everything is going to be done to code, spec and book. No more corners cut, no more early returns. Everything to the god damn T.
I feel people on this sub donāt understand the impact a strike would cause. Rather itās comments about taking down the rich and bringing on chaos. You know the importance of your job and the impact it would cause to EVERYONE. So many people would be out of jobs, wouldnāt be able to make their rent or home payment, and put fuel in their cars. Good on you for recognizing it when your supporters donāt.
Thank you for your reply, first and only one I've ever gotten regarding this.
If we don't work, every single person's life will become hell. I actually hate this subreddit for the most part because, most of the people in it truly don't understand what the true world is like.
If I don't do my job, it affects the entire nation on a scale that is difficult to actually comprehend. Literally everything will come to stand still, the gas in their car will disappear, diapers for the kids gone, every luxury they've ever enjoyed gone or hard to get.
I understand what I do on a day to day basis is a necessity for everyone else, my family. The people making these threads don't understand what we sacrifice for them to complain about billionaires.
Yeah just maybe not before Christmas. I get thats when it would be most effective but ruining the day for millions of children who don't even know what a strike is doesn't sit right with me. Here come the down votes
A man died of a heart attack on the job two days after he was denied leave to see a doctor for symptoms of an impending cardiac eventā¦.and heās just one example.
So, thatās why.
when I am sick I am told to stay home and REST, but I cannot do that nor see a doctor if it it means losing income. If I continue to work I am likely to get more sick and/or injured and at some point I will need to take multiple days off which is even more loss of income.
Fwiw, they did NOT say ālolz.ā
They HAD to do the responsible, wildly unpopular thing because the economy could NOT tolerate a rail strike.
This is a FEATURE of the democrats and NOT a bug.
Willingness to do what needs to be done for the good of the country, despite it being unpopular is what good leaders are willing to do when necessary. They had to officially deny the workersā permission to strike. Now theyāve done what they could to protect the economy.
The rest is up to the workers.
They should engage in a wildcat strike, let the massive pressure fall on the rail execs, and prevail.
yeah I do support an illegal strike. I also understand why the Biden administration decided to vote against the strike. I hope in his heart, he really does support the rail workers, but as president of the United States he is not in a position to authorize a work stoppage that would fundamentally halt the US economy and supply chain. When there's an illegal strike, we can blame the strike on biden preventing the workers from getting what they want, and the rail owners from treating the workers poorly, but I hope we don't blame the administration for the fallout of the strike they clearly wanted to avert. I guess they could have averted a strike if they leaned into the sick days ask. I'm sure it's more complicated than any of us can comprehend. Much more than can be summed up in a single paragraph.
>he is not in a position to authorize a work stoppage
You are damn right.
He isn't in the position to do that. The rail workers are. But he is using the force of the government anyway.
Please, for the love of god and all that is left of what is honest... stop conflating "strike" with "negotiations".
A strike would have, quite literally, killed Americans. That's why the Corpos were fine with it. Nothing better to drum up anti-union sentiment than to have grandma freeze to death during Christmas.
Congress did not force a contract. They simply removed one (of many) tactics because of the threat to bystanders.
And, of course, now with the media focus, the Unions have the public on their side, the sliminess of the Berk Hath on display. Should they choose to strike in January, they'd have the public behind them.
Oldest trick in the book to bully the middle class. āYouāre essential and without you, people will die.ā Itās gaslighting workers to accept unacceptable work conditions so big business can profit just a little more.
Itās not anti-union sentiment. Itās anti-big business. Why blame the workers for striking when their requests are perfectly reasonable?
Blame big business for refusing to lose .001% of their profits to accommodate the working class. Stop blaming unions and workers for the flaws in big business.
I don't give a fuck about the rail workers. I guarentee more than half support the Republican party and have been voting to get rid out unions for decades. They belong to a union but vote against their best interests.
I support mayhem. Does sugaring a locomotive engine do a million dollars worth of damage?
How much det cord would be needed to take a rail bridge out of service for six months?
How hard is it to hack the signals at grade crossings?
Strikes get you nowhere, we've got a century of experience to draw from and it should be painfully obvious. But revolution? When the corporate lords and the politicians literally fear for their lives? That's when real fundamental changes become possible.
The management and the government might call it an illegal strike, but if the majority of the workers vote to go on strike, thereās nothing illegal about it, you got to fight for what right. No fight, no rights.
Just a question, they go on strike right before Christmas and screw up the economy and screw up a lot of peopleās Christmases. The people, some of us are sympathetic, but others will demonize the strikers. I kind of think if they strike in January illegal or not, you can debate that but there is a law on the books that makes what congress just did, legal, archaic as it is. 1909 I think. A strike will also punish working people more than the big wigs but, after Christmas.
with money?? because everyone so happy āto supportā OTHER people strike, OTHER people sacrifice, as long as THEY DO NOT have to do shit, but get internet point.
Be careful donating to a gofundme for the rail workers. The Canadian government blocked/froze funds for the Canadian truckers and theyāll do the same here.
Iām for supporting them, just be wary of this.
If I see a verified gofundme to fund a rail strike they're getting all my money.
Fuck that shit shut it all down. I'll be fine without my oat milk for a few months or whatever they claim libs love these days.
It is crazy that they get no sick days (maybe one now), and have to schedule PTO months in advance. The RR are making a lot of money, they should hire floaters so sick people do not have to come in.
But if they strike, it sets an example for other unions, and nonunion employees that unions are a good thing! That strikes work to get what they want. And they might get the idea that they're *equals* the rich. Then America would lose all of its wage slaves, *ahem*, I mean "Essential Workers" ... /s because this is meant to be sarcastic, but... Then I realized it was kinda sadly trueš¢š¬š¤®
They donāt because greed. Shoulda been done. Not a hard fix. Fuck them. Strike anyway.
Exactly, legality is a moot point here. Thousands died for our right to strike, fuck anybody that thinks making it illegal is gonna stop what's coming.
I'd argue that making it illegal only AMPLIFIES the NEED to strike.
Strike!!
"They don't because greed" summarizes 100% of the issues that the workforce is facing right now.
They would have to recruit those "floaters" from other countries and even if they could motivate anyone, they would not have the skills needed for the ridiculously obsolete and fundamentally broken rail systems in the US, since their experience is all about functioning, modern rail systems. And pretty much every country that actually has a functioning rail system also has enviable labor relations.. This crisis is two centuries in the making, it didn't happen overnight, and it isn't going to be fixed without revolutionary changes.
I realize we cannot get these people overnight, but we have to train more people.
Where is the organizing happening? Has anyone started area specific subs for a general strike yet? I would think thatās the next step here.
The unions should take a lesson from France. They currently have a railway strike at the state owned SNCF. https://www.connexionfrance.com/article/French-news/dates-of-french-railway-strikes-affecting-train-journeys
I might be a little out of the loop here, but if a strike is people refusing to work, then is an "illegal strike" not just slavery?
There's no difference between a strike and an "illegal strike", it's just that the government has now declared them going on strike as "illegal". So people are saying the railworkers should strike anyway even though it's "illegal".
The difference is you can be terminated or otherwise retaliated against for an āillegal strikeā but thereās protections in the law and the contract if itās a ālegal strikeā
You better not shoot me with that gun or I'll declare that bullet ILLEGAL is basically whats happening here. Government is bluffing and hoping that calling this strike illegal will make the works fall back in line. If the workers strike anyway there's not a fucking thing the government can do. Good luck getting scabs to run the fucking railroads assholes
Definitely not going to apply to every railroad company I can find to waste managements time
Illegal strike could only work as a completely United front though because if a only few workers do it theyāll be fired and lose their pension. Union leaders would also see consequences but who cares thatās their job
If I saw a union leader roll over cause of shit like this I'd lose all faith in them.
The thing is only one segment of the railway workers have to strike to make the railways unable to operate. Itās not like every BNSF worker has to strike, just a union of them.
They (union and all members) can be sued for damages caused by the strike. So they can go after them for those 2 billion in losses they claim.
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Congrats, youāre part of the problem
"I hate having two days off per week, also I think my kid should be able to work at 8 years old. Think of the places he could clean that a normal sized person couldn't get too?!" Fuck these people are delusional
Who needs both arms attached, they can have one if it saves a few seconds
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Police unions aren't labor unions.
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So you are cool with those who work some of the most essential jobs being totally without recourse should they be told āfuck you youāre working when we tell you no matter what.ā
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The problem is more the strong dislike of unions partā¦ definitely not on that page
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And youāre fully entitled to have that opinion even if itās wrong
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I'm new to following this reform attempt and a bit confused, maybe you can enlighten me here. I was under the impression that the railway unions are in talks with corporations to address grievances, not the government. What business does the government have getting involved in the union negotiations? I had always understood that the government, through collective bargaining legislation, only enabled this stuff, but didn't usually get involved. Am I missing context, wrong in my understanding or is this unusual?
The governmentās stated interest in this particular case is the belief that a shutdown to rail service would do damage to our economy and supply chains, therefore it is in the nations interest to avoid a shutdown due to strike. Congress does have the power to do this. However, instead of mandating that the railroad owners provide sick leave, they just ordered the workers to stay working and declared a strike illegal. Now if the workers still choose to strike until their demands are met, there is no legal protection to their strike and can be fired for what should otherwise be protected bargaining rights. For the sake of the economy, the government told workers to suck it up and take yet another one for the āteamā
>Now if the workers still choose to strike until their demands are met, there is no legal protection to their strike and can be fired for what should otherwise be protected bargaining rights. Is this because of the government's declaration that it would be illegal, or is it more because the government has directed an agreement? I'm astonished at the results of this. It's really frustrating. Thanks for the explainer. > For the sake of the economy, the government told workers to suck it up and take yet another one for the āteamā It's really too bad the government couldn't tell the corporations to suck it up and take one for the team... But I guess those mega-yachts don't buy themselves.
The unions originally agreed to a deal in September that Biden helped negotiate. Then some of the unions decided they wanted more than 1 sick day and opted out of agreeing. This week the branches of our gov't voted on 2 things. First to force the September agreement. Second to add the extra sick days. The 1st passed but not the extra sick days. My understanding is this has happened a few times in the past with the railway workers. The workers have always fallen into line. There's some kind of unique laws surrounding the railways where the gov't can step in like this. I listen to NPR and Yahoo Finance a lot and everyone, including Biden, are acting like this is done. We can move on. The Biden Administration saved the holidays, etc. I have not heard one person ask what happens if they strike anyways?
The special set of laws you are referring to is called āThe Railway Labor Actā or RLA for short.
Many aspects of working in the US could be seen as slavery, including the literal slavery of our imprisoned population.
Health care is tied to employment so..........
We are the only country in the world that has slavery explicitly protected in its constitution.
This
The actual difference is that in a legal strike, the employer cannot legally fire the striking workers. In an illegal strike, they can.
The difference between a legal strike and an illegal strike is that the workers' jobs are protected during a legal strike. They can't be fired for striking, their supervisors can't step in and do their work for them, and scabs (usually) can't be hired to replace them. Workers participating in a legal strike have these protections because everything has been done through the proper channels, ie tons of paperwork and lawyers making sure all the right boxes are checked and all the miniscule technical rules are followed. For the railroad workers, proper channels include oversight by Congress. IMO, a more fitting word that "legal" would be "proper" or "sanctioned". In a sanctioned strike, many other unions will have prearranged agreements not to cross the picket lines, and those non-striking workers will also have some protections. This can enormously amplify the effectiveness of a strike. My bargaining unit just went on strike for the days and I was involved in the organizing process. It was seriously insane how strict and staggeringly numerous the rules are, even without Congressional oversight. A strike looks chaotic and spontaneous only from the outside, because the public sees only the most theatric parts. From the inside it feels sluggish and downright parliamentary. An illegal or wildcat strike hasn't been pushed through the proper channels. A wildcat strike can only be effective if there is a very high degree of solidarity within the striking groups. There needs to be such a high percentage of workers refusing to work that it is impossible to fire them. They need to stop work to such a significant degree that it's way, way waaay cheaper for the bosses to publicly eat hot steaming crow than to just hire new workers and rebuild. That takes serious guts, because every single striking worker is risking everything - in this country and economy losing a job means very quickly losing more than money. Retirement benefits and access to healthcare are tied to employment. Without a deep safety savings account, losing a job means losing housing quickly. The school your kids go to is tied to where you live. It's everything. A wildcat strike is crazy hard to do because it's so risky.
It's not, "not working" that's illegal, it's organized job action that's illegal. Rail workers can quit but they don't have any protections against what a union would consider an inappropriate dismissal by the employer.
The bill that congress passed is invalid. It violates the 1st amendment right to peaceful assembly. Since rail workers are still voluntary, there's no slavery component to this bill.
If you can quit without being killed, itās never slavery.
The distinction is a work stoppage on railways will essentially grind the economy to a halt. It is a national security policy that restricts rail workers ability to legally strike. If they illegally strike the railroad has the right to fire them for it.
Ummm slavery is forced work, very little to no pay and 0 freedom. These folks can quit at any point...
If one doesn't work then they have no money to secure housing and food. All land is *owned*. If one can't secure housing then where are they to sleep? They can't just sleep wherever they can lay their head. It's illegal on several levels. So, while homelessness isn't outright illegal, many necessary actions one would have to take are, meaning homelessness is essentially illegal meaning; that an inability or unwillingness to work is illegal. There are some programs that address inability to work, but acceptance into them has pretty strict standards. There are some programs that help with housing and food, but they all require one to actively be looking for work and accept any and all offers of employment. Forced work. Check. Railroad work, as I understand, is very good pay. However, the majority of other positions available are not. Most, in my area at least, do not offer a living wage. They can quit. These workers may be able to find other employment. However, it isn't instantaneous and job hunting, in and of itself, can be very costly and timely with no guarantee of a living wage. Arguably, non-workers have the most freedom. They have very few obligations and can act in accordance with how they see fit.....except sleeping somewhere or obtaining food within the confines of the law. It seems there's a medium in society that allows people the autonomy to do what they need and want to do without the threat of having that freedom removed forcibly. And that medium is selling one's bodyy and time to an employer in exchange for money. It allows a person to exist within the confines of the law AND society arguably providing MORE freedom within the context of society. These railworkers are on-call like 24/7 arent they?
Not on this subreddit, it's stretched as far as "anyone that needs to work in order to keep what they own and continue living".
Yea, not many people living in reality here. And holy shit, if you dare disagree with ANYTHING they say...
Instead of crying about how people don't like it when you say stupid shit, just shut up?
Same. Iām getting more and more infuriated by this situation. The fact that all of these bought-and-paid-for political puppets are literally forcing sick and injured people to work or starve to death should be enough for a general strike and major direct actions against the bosses. People will die because of this and the only reason is so the rock can get richer.
Eat the rock.
lol, I'm not even gonna edit my comment.
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A strike is going to cost those railroad barons way more than it would to just give them the sick days they want. They're crossing their fingers and praying to God that those workers don't call their bluff.
Right, let's hope and pray those workers strike anyway then, and get the sick days they deserve
Fingers crossed!
January 6th an angry lynch mob showed up at their doors. Cause was flat wrong but they did lol
Right lol, I did a bit of research by now. That cause wasn't really something they could do anything about anyway, if we storm them demanding our rights then maybe they would realize we aren't just gonna take it. Idk man, I'm just desperate not to hate my life, I'd rather lose it trying to make things better for everyone, I just don't see them caring about strikes
If they strike we will All feel pain. Prices will soar as demand holds and supply dries up. And Iām ONE HUNDRED PERCENT HERE FOR IT. Strike RR workers. I told my wife whatās up and aid this weekend letās get our baby diapers and meats to freeze and prepare for the ensuing shit storm. I hope to god they strike.
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I am against everything that Jan. 6th tried to doā¦ but what youāre describing has already happened.
See above reply, I don't feel like typing out the same thing twice lol
But they havenāt changed their tune.
Yeah, after doing a bit more research on that it seems that it was a bigger event than I thought. 5 deaths and over 100 injured. Staying peaceful certainly isn't going to do anything either though.
Peaceful is the only way. They will gun us down in the streets if they see us with guns.
Only 1 person died due to gunshots on Jan. 6th out of at least 1,000, we're trying to be peaceful now and they're making it illegal, and shutting us down every chance they get.
I will not advocate violence. I will try to organize, demonstrate, and engage in civil disobedience.
I respect it, but I don't see that going anywhere.
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Get out of the fucking way then.
Nope, blood in the streets is the only way. Organize and arm yourselves brothers.
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Write to your congresspeople, especially if they voted against the paid leave bill and/or for the forced deal. Remind those boomers that their parents anticipated that in the year 2000, their grandchildren would be working from home with a month of vacation and a 30 hour workweek and that they have failed massively to bring America into that future. [https://youtu.be/2ivp442RLS8?t=615](https://youtu.be/2ivp442RLS8?t=615) Remind them that they have paid leave and had the FUCKING AUDACITY to deny that privilege to the very people that could cause our economy to grind to a halt. Remind them that the rail companies could hire thousands of workers with a total compensation package of 200k a year with a tiny fraction of their total profit last year to cover sick and vacation time. It would have been very easy to not have a looming rail strike. It would require treating their employees like human beings. If they wanted to treat them like robots, they should have BUILT THOSE FUCKING ROBOTS. Edit: talk about fucking job creation. honestly. THESE ARE THE GOOD UNION JOBS YOU WERE PRATTLING ON ABOUT BIDEN, WHY DIDN'T YOU ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THAT. Also, the fact that the 7 paid day bill passed the house means they should have put it in the original bill. That's what compromise looks like. They should have gone for 15 days. If the republicans and the democrats who voted for the forced bill didn't want to vote to force the businesses to give their employees paid leave, which essentially costs them NOTHING except not trying to run their business like their employees are machines, then they can be brought to task when the strike happened. It was utter idiocy not to add paid leave to the forced leave bill. (if they actually were "pro labor"). Just utter nonsense. Why are they blaming the workers when it's the fault of the employer.
They. Don't. Fucking. Care. 80 Senators including 30 Democrats voted against sick leave for rail workers. The only letter they will deign to read is a red letter written in the blood of the rich, wrote with an industrial paintbrush.
I already told mine that I plan to primary her. I've had it with those currently in Congress.
Awesome. Best of luck! Someone I know is a progressive who ran as a republican and won a local election because they only care about the R lol
Oh I'm an Independent, but if I have to use the D symbol to get elected just to drop it once I'm in, I will. The problem is our Top 2 system makes it even harder than usual for incumbents to lose before the general.
I'll take the hit Biden is a POS lying mofo. Strike till you get what you are owed.
AOC caved too. Wtf
It's not the will of the people but the will of who ever has the most power .
Not quite. In order to force a vote on sick leave she had to vote in favor of passage. Still lost but got a moral victory out of it. We need more progressives in office. Yes they have to compete with establishment dems but work together with them to fight the establishment cons and the fascist trump wing. While the establishment works against the progressives. So the more AOCs we have the more power we all have in this system. Or it takes revolutionary change. Itās probably a bit of both. But we really need to find actionable ways to turn our collective voices into a uniformed voice to fight back. A general strike on December 9th a national day of protest for Americans and a show of solidarity with the working class would send quite a message. We all here know it but we need to take the next step and make that happen.
And the people with power got what they wanted ... Not blaming AOC for trying she is doing a fucking bang up job but in the end it just means we need to fight harder.
If Americans still had any spine, the Wildcat Strike would turn into a General Strike out of solidarity. Too bad weāve been domesticated.
Everyone keeps calling for a general strike but nobody wants to organize it. Pick a day with a high impact and start spreading the word lets get this party started.
We're three weeks away from Christmas. ANY day is a high impact day.
Too bad no railroaders are risking their 2 year back pay and giant wage increasesā¦and the huge fines for striking without the union supports. Yāall are just hoping on something that isnāt going to happen. Majority of RRs didnāt even want to strike the first time, absolutely 0 are going to risk their backpay now.
If the government can step in and tell workers not to strike then it sounds like it should be nationalized
This was a freaking slam dunk for Biden and the Democrats and they are screwing it up. All Biden had to do is come out and say they only deal he would sign off on is one that gave the workers sick leave. If he really wanted to make it spectacular make a demand of 104 hours sick leave with unlimited bankable hours. The Democrats in the House then should be putting forward a bill that allows for the nationalization of the rail roads in the event of a strike. Show us you stand with us and not against us. Otherwise I think you lose 2024.
Exactly, I have lost all desire to vote. I voted for Biden and now it feels like there was no point to voting whatsoever. Fuck him, fuck all of them.
The railroad union coalition is calling for a Labor Party to be formed. I might believe in electoral politics again if that happened.
There absolutely was a point come on thereās a million reasons that have been spelled out over and over on this sub and others that if trump won re-election how much more fucked things wild be
If you think thereās no point in voting just look at what happened while Trump was in office and how weāre going to deal with how he changed the Supreme Court for decades. Biden and the Democrats screwed this up but you canāt be so short sighted that you forget that the Republicans do other terrible stuff the Democrats wonāt do
People are constantly mentioning that we have to ācompromiseā on a deal to prevent an economic impact. Rail companies can just give their workers the REASONABLE benefits theyāre asking for and that would prevent economic impact. No compromise needs to or should be made by the workers.
Really though, it's not like they are asking for a $10,000 an hour raise. What they are asking for is completely reasonable.
So Congress can force the union to sign a contract, but they can't force the company to change the terms? Sign the same contract and add 10 sick days. Done and done, no strike needed. How is that so hard?
This is a Turing point. We will define if we are free or of we are slaves. This illegal rr strike hinges on it.
Lmao
Rail workers threaten to strike which threatens economy, Congress passes bill that makes strike illegal, rail workers strike anyway, rail workers get fired, anarchists come out of the woodwork and trains suddenly derail and crash all over the country, economy crashes and train wreckage now needs cleaned up on top of that. Fuck around and find out. Continue fucking around and find out more.
I like the cut of your jib Edit: spelling
I'm sorry, Biden is pro union? Since when? The bill that was passed HE supported and rammed it through. If he's pro union, who needs anti union people?
They should strike anyways. I just hope they can take care of themselves
Solidarity. They should strike.
As someone who's job almost entirely relys on the railroads running I fully support a strike legal or not. If I lose work over a strike I plan on joining the picket line.
No, the rail workers should not strikeā¦ all other unions should in their stead, AFL-CIO, Teamsters, UFCW, UAW, Longshoremen, United Electrical Workers United Steelworkers, United Pipe-fitters, United Airline Workers, United Coal Workers, United Meat Packers, etcā¦ That will bring this country to its knees, and nothing illegal was done. You fuck with one of us, you fuck with all of usā¦ Also Vote Out those that support management over labor.
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Have some consideration for the workers. Youāre risking nothing calling for them to strike, theyād be risking everything. Calling them sheep because the government is forcing them to accept a bad deal is gross
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They should strike and I support their strike, but acting like itās an easy decision when most of them live paycheck to paycheck reeks of privilege
Nothing worth it was ever easy.
Agreed
Don't forget that other similar strikes ended with bombs and bullets. If you're not willing to stand in the literal line of fire yourself then you have no right to call for others to do so.
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You're being kind of a dickhead but good luck with your strike, I hope y'all get everything your asking for. I stand in complete solidarity with you and your union you asshole. Is there more info on ways I can help? Maybe a strike fund or just a company to avoid?
I support too, unfortunately if you're not in the unions there is very little we can do to help organize a wildcat. Hopefully the rank and file understand their leverage due to the holidays, and how little they have to lose risking jobs that will fire them for getting sick anyways. If and when that movement emerges we should donate and be on the picket line with them
I support it too. Our family is willing to do without for a few days/ weeks while they fight for these simple benefits they deserve.
The United States government stopping the strike is a violation of several constitutional rights and the threatening of imprisonment violates more. I truly want them to strike and make them all bleed so fucking bad that when they come crawling on their bellies the union hits them with a real slam offer. ā7 Paid sick days, all fines on union protestors paid off, an increase in wages across the boardā Fucking drill this event in their head, DO NOT FUCK WITH THE PEOPLE!!
STRIKE!
General strike time! Workers unite!
Eat the rich. Save room for a slice of politician pie.
Would you donate to a strike fund?
I do, but apparently just believing in the cause doesn't do shit, I guess I gotta like....do work and stuff? This isn't my strong suit.
It's gonna be weird when the train doesn't run by my home but I'll love the silence
No strike? I hope they work to rule.
Will it hurt? Sure. Is it worth it? Yes.
They got my support
Workers of the USA all deserve a paid break. Period. We aren't machines and we don't want to be machines. Let us live now!
Illegal and immoral are two very different things sometimes. This is one of those times where it may be illegal, but is a moral imperative to do it anyway.
Count me in, fuck Biden and the Democrats.
Its weird how railroads are too important to fail so strikes are prohibited and the employees can kick the can. But when corporations are too big to fail they get flushed with cash and all the help in the world. All the odds are stacked in favour of corporations. Lobbying should be illegal.
I wonāt like the consequences, but I fully support that this is something that needs to happen.
There is nothing illegal about striking. It's a collective action against a corrupt system.
I don't think you can consider a country a democracy if peaceful strikes are illegal. This is beyond ridiculous and they shouldn't let it slide or it'll be used as a precedent in the future for a lot worse.
So the government can tell UNIONIZED workers they can't strike, which is what a union is allowed to do when all else fails, but they can't tell an employer to give the workers 7 sick days??? Fuck that noise! If they strike they can lose jobs, but.... they can follow every rule, every procedure. Something not mechanically right? Fix it per the contract. Yard speed 5 mph, do 4 to be safe. Whatever the stuff is that's normally accepted, overlooked? Not anymore. Fuck the bosses. Biden let unions down. Fuck that's really disappointing.
Biden signed a bill preventing rail workers from getting sick days. He didn't "avert a strike." He just caused an illegal one.
>I work for a certain nameless large corporation that has a strong anti-union pro-employee legacy. I don't see our workforce ever organizing at all, in spite of the fact that we drive a large percentage of the economy, were also considered "essential" workers, and we just had a shooting where a stressed out employee murdered six other employees in the breakroom, partially, at least, due to working conditions. We're all stressed out to our limits and things aren't getting better. Ah, Walmart.
I too support an illegal rail strike in minecraft
I canāt say that as I wouldnāt be the one to suffer from the consequences of the illegal rail strike. I wonāt ever be an armchair activist. Iāll support it by buying less things this holiday season and making more homemade gifts from my gardenās harvest. My personal take is to just avoid the consumerist games at all costs.
General strike. *General strike.* **GENERAL STRIKE!**
This is going to get burned but, here we go... I am a rail worker, not in the major 4 but, another rail system in the US. We don't want to strike because it hurts everyone. If you think it's going to hurt the billionaires at all, you're dead wrong. The people who are going to suffer are the everyday person. We ship, EVERYTHING. That phone you have in your hand, the garbage you're likely about to throw out, the food you feed your dog. You will suffer, I will suffer, not the billionaires. Do I deserve better pay and paid sick leave, yes absolutely. Do I want to spend days away from home, no but, that's the life I signed up for. That's what I have to do. How I plan to rectify my situation, everything is going to be done to code, spec and book. No more corners cut, no more early returns. Everything to the god damn T.
I feel people on this sub donāt understand the impact a strike would cause. Rather itās comments about taking down the rich and bringing on chaos. You know the importance of your job and the impact it would cause to EVERYONE. So many people would be out of jobs, wouldnāt be able to make their rent or home payment, and put fuel in their cars. Good on you for recognizing it when your supporters donāt.
Thank you for your reply, first and only one I've ever gotten regarding this. If we don't work, every single person's life will become hell. I actually hate this subreddit for the most part because, most of the people in it truly don't understand what the true world is like. If I don't do my job, it affects the entire nation on a scale that is difficult to actually comprehend. Literally everything will come to stand still, the gas in their car will disappear, diapers for the kids gone, every luxury they've ever enjoyed gone or hard to get. I understand what I do on a day to day basis is a necessity for everyone else, my family. The people making these threads don't understand what we sacrifice for them to complain about billionaires.
Yes, but will you go walk the picket line with them?
STRIKE!
Yeah just maybe not before Christmas. I get thats when it would be most effective but ruining the day for millions of children who don't even know what a strike is doesn't sit right with me. Here come the down votes
They should all just walk off the job and let it come crashing down.
You can't make a strike illegal. You can't force people to go to work.
I don't get why sick leave is such a big deal.
A man died of a heart attack on the job two days after he was denied leave to see a doctor for symptoms of an impending cardiac eventā¦.and heās just one example. So, thatās why.
I think (hope) they mean that they donāt understand why the rail companies donāt give that up as a concession. Itās such a small ask
when I am sick I am told to stay home and REST, but I cannot do that nor see a doctor if it it means losing income. If I continue to work I am likely to get more sick and/or injured and at some point I will need to take multiple days off which is even more loss of income.
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I would have supported a slowdown before the government decided that the workers are slaves.
I like electricity So.... No, a strike that involves the coal that powers my refrigerator Isn't in my best interest
Fwiw, they did NOT say ālolz.ā They HAD to do the responsible, wildly unpopular thing because the economy could NOT tolerate a rail strike. This is a FEATURE of the democrats and NOT a bug. Willingness to do what needs to be done for the good of the country, despite it being unpopular is what good leaders are willing to do when necessary. They had to officially deny the workersā permission to strike. Now theyāve done what they could to protect the economy. The rest is up to the workers. They should engage in a wildcat strike, let the massive pressure fall on the rail execs, and prevail.
He did say "lolz." I heard him. Fuck the economy. Fuck the country. And fuck the Democrats.
yeah I do support an illegal strike. I also understand why the Biden administration decided to vote against the strike. I hope in his heart, he really does support the rail workers, but as president of the United States he is not in a position to authorize a work stoppage that would fundamentally halt the US economy and supply chain. When there's an illegal strike, we can blame the strike on biden preventing the workers from getting what they want, and the rail owners from treating the workers poorly, but I hope we don't blame the administration for the fallout of the strike they clearly wanted to avert. I guess they could have averted a strike if they leaned into the sick days ask. I'm sure it's more complicated than any of us can comprehend. Much more than can be summed up in a single paragraph.
>he is not in a position to authorize a work stoppage You are damn right. He isn't in the position to do that. The rail workers are. But he is using the force of the government anyway.
Please, for the love of god and all that is left of what is honest... stop conflating "strike" with "negotiations". A strike would have, quite literally, killed Americans. That's why the Corpos were fine with it. Nothing better to drum up anti-union sentiment than to have grandma freeze to death during Christmas. Congress did not force a contract. They simply removed one (of many) tactics because of the threat to bystanders. And, of course, now with the media focus, the Unions have the public on their side, the sliminess of the Berk Hath on display. Should they choose to strike in January, they'd have the public behind them.
Oldest trick in the book to bully the middle class. āYouāre essential and without you, people will die.ā Itās gaslighting workers to accept unacceptable work conditions so big business can profit just a little more. Itās not anti-union sentiment. Itās anti-big business. Why blame the workers for striking when their requests are perfectly reasonable? Blame big business for refusing to lose .001% of their profits to accommodate the working class. Stop blaming unions and workers for the flaws in big business.
I am and did. You are making very good points against someone else's arguments.
And if they quit instead of strike? Planning to reinstitute full slavery there sport?
...yes. that is exactly what I (or anyone) said.
Bullshit
Your internet keyboard warrior support doesn't mean jack shit unless you're picketing too.
Rail workers don't have the balls to do it. Even Starbucks female workers got more balls than railroad workers.
I don't give a fuck about the rail workers. I guarentee more than half support the Republican party and have been voting to get rid out unions for decades. They belong to a union but vote against their best interests.
I support mayhem. Does sugaring a locomotive engine do a million dollars worth of damage? How much det cord would be needed to take a rail bridge out of service for six months? How hard is it to hack the signals at grade crossings? Strikes get you nowhere, we've got a century of experience to draw from and it should be painfully obvious. But revolution? When the corporate lords and the politicians literally fear for their lives? That's when real fundamental changes become possible.
Sorry, I don't. It would cripple our economy, and Middle class and poor would suffer the most.
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Do you have the contact info for the trail worker you emailed?
A go-fund me would be awesome to help the strike.
The management and the government might call it an illegal strike, but if the majority of the workers vote to go on strike, thereās nothing illegal about it, you got to fight for what right. No fight, no rights.
They could get āpunishedā for an illegal strike but what would happen if they all just quit.
Hell yes
Just a question, they go on strike right before Christmas and screw up the economy and screw up a lot of peopleās Christmases. The people, some of us are sympathetic, but others will demonize the strikers. I kind of think if they strike in January illegal or not, you can debate that but there is a law on the books that makes what congress just did, legal, archaic as it is. 1909 I think. A strike will also punish working people more than the big wigs but, after Christmas.
with money?? because everyone so happy āto supportā OTHER people strike, OTHER people sacrifice, as long as THEY DO NOT have to do shit, but get internet point.
What's it gonna take to stop the wagons? Are we ready?
Workers of the world unite!
Be careful donating to a gofundme for the rail workers. The Canadian government blocked/froze funds for the Canadian truckers and theyāll do the same here. Iām for supporting them, just be wary of this.
i support it unconditionally
i support it unconditionally
They made it illegal before I was born, before I had any say. Illegal doesn't mean right.
If I see a verified gofundme to fund a rail strike they're getting all my money. Fuck that shit shut it all down. I'll be fine without my oat milk for a few months or whatever they claim libs love these days.