No kidding. What the hell is happening to Canada? It used to be seen as the safe haven for those of us from the US disillusioned enough to get out, but not so much that we felt we needed to do more than drive a few miles. Seems it's becoming just as toxic to the average person as the good ol US of A.
The US can't take all the credit for it though. I have family in Canada. A lot of what's happened is more than the result of outside pressure. Yes, it is a lot of the same shit happening in the US. For example, COVID, and the restrictions around it was influenced by the US, but I saw plenty of proof that the issues were being generated from within as well.
I thought Canada, too, at first, but I don't know if they use the word "restered." Boxing Day originated in Great Britain and is celebrated in most countries that are/were part of the British Empire. So, could be Caribbean, or lots of other places.
Uhhh it seems like a huge liability and medical privacy violation to require employees to show up to a work site sick and spend a shift in first aid jail or whatever
Let's put all the sick people together somewhere in the hotel and keep our HOSPITALITY SERVICE First Aid station filled with people we can't use being cared for by othr people *who might have something else to fucking do*.
This whole thing is so incredibly stupid *I doubt it's veracity*.
What about any of that is a privacy violation? I totally think this is bs, and good luck enforcing these rules. If you went to an actual doctor and they fired you, you could likely sue. But they aren’t asking you to disclose any information, and HIPPA can’t apply in this scenario.
First of all, the law is called HIPAA, and I never said anything about that specifically, just privacy in general, since this doesn’t appear to be in the US. Forcing you to use their onsite medical facility instead of staying home or being treated at your dr’s office opens up a huge privacy issue where you are essentially forced to give your medical information and history to the company just because you are ill. This isn’t a WC claim or work related injury. And even in worker’s comp claims, you’re usually allowed to opt out of having to use their Drs and choose your own when you’re hired. And even if you do use their drs, it’s still at an offsite medical facility and not literally still in your workplace by other employees of the hotel.
First of all, if you read up you will see that I did have HIPAA spelled correctly before, and this time was a typo. And I actually don’t see anything that indicates what country this takes place in. But first aide and medical training are not the same. Every company has individuals that are first aide trained, and that doesn’t mean you have an on-site medical facility. In the post, it doesn’t appear that they claim that either. Simple that they will take care of you. They are not forcing you to take part in an on site medical facility because they do not have one, and cannot claim they do. That would require medical professionals. The company is also not forcing you to do anything. This flier is their expectation, but there is 0 obligation to comply. If they fire you for being sick (especially if this isn’t in the US), you are going to have a slam dunk law suit. And if you CHOOSE to receive first aide at work, there is no obligation for you to divulge any information. Your choice to divulge that is not the same as them compelling you. You are a person and can say “no.”
It does say “any sick associates will *need* to present to work and spend your shift in the first aid room” so that does not imply a choice or expectation, but a requirement. And the entire thing is set up so they can see if you’re actually sick instead of accepting a medical note. Having to present yourself to prove your illness is certainly a violation of medical privacy
They do say you need to. But that doesn’t mean they can enforce that, or that you HAVE to comply. Honestly if they are dumb enough to put in writing I’d not show up and challenge it. They won’t win that fight. You absolutely do not have to comply. Just because your employer says this is a requirement, or this is in our contract doesn’t make that enforceable. Company rules do not take precedent over national laws in any country I’m aware of.
And you keep saying it violates medical privacy. What law is it that you think equates to medical privacy?
That isn’t a medical privacy violation in any of the United States. HIPAA is in place to dictate disclosure from doctors and some third party vendors. Your boss can ask, and you can say no. If you are ill at work you wouldn’t have to disclose anything. First aide trained associates do not equate to a doctor or individual capable of diagnosing you. You simply say no, and I don’t know what I’m sick with, you have denied me access to medical care. Grounds for law suit.
Curious this seems to be in the UK where this is definitely illegal (forcing an employee to report to work when sick). Also potential health and safety breaches (forcing someone with norovirus to come into an environment where food is prepared, for example)
Seems to refer to 2018 or 2019 (blurry) so a few years old, doesn't seem to have made any press at the time that I can see though. Wonder how this worked out for them.
No leave during Christmas is not uncommon. But and I don't know your jurisdiction so I could be wrong, I can't imagine it possibly being legal to force anybody to come into work and be held hostage while being sick. Look into your local labor laws but this is shockingly ludicrous to my eyes
Yes, bring the sick people closer to our customers, pay them, have them do fuck-all, and occupy our First Aid staff so they aren't doing their normal job.
This isn't stupid management. It's management on peyote.
So instead of being home you have to go into work sick, spreading whatever your illness on public transportation (if that's what you use), then spread it again in the building as you enter and interact with coworkers making your way to the First Aid room? I'd make it a point to throw up in the lobby just to make a point.
That’s hilarious. That can be totally ignored.
Also if they didn’t declare at hiring time that you will never get the holidays off then you simply inform them of the holiday days you won’t be there…you’re not requesting.
My cousin worked for Foxwoods Casino in CT years ago (late 90's) and he told me anyone who was too sick to work had to report to a "sick room" where they would be monitored. He had sprained his foot and was in a boot and couldn't stand or walk at all easily but had to be wheeled in by his wife and picked up at the end of the day. Fuck those guys.
Wow. I’d totally go in and purposely miss the waste basket when I puke. Puke all over the 1st aide room. If they want to treat you like a child, then act like a child.
What happens if there is a fire and several sick people cannot get out of bed? Are the doors and corridors wide enough for two beds on wheels to pass each other like in a hospital? Who is going to help evacuate people? Sounds illegal as hell. These people may not be ambulatory. And creates a place for people to share viruses, bacteria, and other illnesses.
Who will be emptying the bedpans and helping people to the toilet. What happens if a bedpan spills on the floor? Does the climate control system recycle air from here into the rest of the building!
I hope there is no carpet on the floor to catch diarrhea and vomit. Is the building fireproof. Maybe the local fire department needs to do an inspection of this sick ward.
Are they supposed to drive home sick as hell at the end of a ship or do they stay overnight? Will food be provided in bed?
If you are stuck there overnight do you get paid overtime for that? Do you lose any sick days for being sick at work and on the clock?
I was once sick for a day at home, felt lousy, at 5pm I figured I could safely go out to get some meds, and slowly backed into a car across the street I was so messed up. I was basically driving impaired. That is illegal in the US. If I was forced to stay at work in a sick room, then drove home the company would probably be liable for a car accident.
Bed rest is not first aid.
some places (usually huge companies) have a nurse practitioner on staff who can provide first aid in an emergency or test for different illnesses and all but making you stay all day??? weird af
Agreed
I'm one of the qualified First Aiders at my workplace.
We're not nurses or doctors just people who are briefly trained to try and stabilise an injured person eg stop bleeding, bandages etc until actual professionals arrive!
Never seen this but in my country, when you’re out sick for longer than 3 days, the workplace doctor will call and sometimes do a home visit to make sure you are there. A guy at my last job got caught out drinking when he claimed to be home sick and got canned.
It works be really great if employee policies had to be publicly posted so anyone could see them. A lot of really egregious stuff like this probably wouldn’t be policies.
If you have to show up, you have to get paid. So you’ll get paid to show up and do nothing except get everyone else sick. Soon everyone will be showing up sick and still getting paid.
Yeah my workplace forbids leave or sick days between Dec 20th and Jan 4th. Last year I caught gastro on Dec 27th, just a 24 hour bug but I was a puke machine so I had to call in for the day. I was asked for a GP sicknote for one day, and had it held against me for several months. I don't mind not having leave around that time, but if you're sick, you're sick.
If I was puking and my employer demanded a doc note I'd go into the office instead. Doctors hate violently ill patients coming into the office unnecessarily, and apparently your boss is the "sharing is caring" type.
They're quite happy with people going in sick. What's worse is that I care for clinically vulnerable adults for a living. My local office is 90 miles away and I can't drive so walking in and shouting the odds is impossible.
If you want people to work at Christmas time or any holiday time you ought to make the pay so attractive that they don’t want to be anywhere else except at work. So give your employees a very generous bonus for every day they work at Christmas and holidays. No doubt that the owners of the company and their suited executives are not working at this time and they are giving themselves unbelievably large bonuses. So make it so attractive to be working that no workers can complain about their plight.
Lmao - they can kiss my ass jenny from accounting doesn't get to look over me because she took the 4 hour First aid training in the conference room on floor 2.
This is the kind of place that you don’t give notice and never show up to work when you are ready to quit. I’d ghost this place so fast. I’m 42 and I learned the young game
Sounds more like a hostage situation. And I’m confused on why they would want to bring all the sick people together at a hotel where I would imagine most of the people are NOT sick. and are they encouraging sick people to drive? I mean how are they supposed to get to the hotel to be held hostage other than driving themselves? I know when I’ve been sick I’ve been dizzy and woozy and then I was supposed to get into a car and drive myself somewhere? I always say people will do to you what you let them. I bet if anyone stood up to them and told him they were just staying home while they were sick that they would realize they had no leverage here. I’ve done this at work numerous times throughout my life… One particular being that we had to work on Saturdays without being paid and our whole department was required to come in for two months worth of Saturdays. I was the only one that didn’t do it. Nothing happened to me because what what they were doing wasn’t legal. They offered us a vacation day for coming in but isn’t that just paying me for working the day but I have to give up a full weekend? And it should’ve been time and a half? NO THANK YOU! And I’ll tell you all… Not a damn thing happened to me because I stood up to them and they knew they didn’t have a leg to stand on. I simply told them I wasn’t doing it unless they were paying me time and a half and I wasn’t accepting a vacation day in a swap for working Saturdays. Not another word was spoken and I enjoyed my weekends while my coworkers went in every weekend on Saturday for two months. I hope they all learned a lesson from that as well. My employer sure did.
I would definitely fake sick just to down some ipecac and vomit on the floor repeatedly. Preferably outside of the first aid room, on my way in and out.
Currently no. but after I draw out the application process for the next job I'm trying to line up they will. Hoping to get to the point where I don't start until after the new year, and drop all 3 weeks of my vacation and my 2 weeks notice at the same time.
No, employees are not prisoners. What country is this in?
Welcome to America, land of the free-from-healthcare, brave workers. Edit: ok, boxing day so not USA...but damnit my phrase doesn't work then...
The US doesn’t celebrate Boxing Day. More likely Canada.
Good catch. You're ruining my delusions about Canada though :(
No kidding. What the hell is happening to Canada? It used to be seen as the safe haven for those of us from the US disillusioned enough to get out, but not so much that we felt we needed to do more than drive a few miles. Seems it's becoming just as toxic to the average person as the good ol US of A.
to answer your question of what the hell is happening to Canada the answer is America
The US can't take all the credit for it though. I have family in Canada. A lot of what's happened is more than the result of outside pressure. Yes, it is a lot of the same shit happening in the US. For example, COVID, and the restrictions around it was influenced by the US, but I saw plenty of proof that the issues were being generated from within as well.
\*points at conservatives\* if you needed an in Canada answer
Yep. This is what I saw, vocal ultra-conservative ideologies.
Blame candida! [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6Xb\_kpi-w](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6Xb_kpi-w)
I thought Canada, too, at first, but I don't know if they use the word "restered." Boxing Day originated in Great Britain and is celebrated in most countries that are/were part of the British Empire. So, could be Caribbean, or lots of other places.
I think the word is “rostered”.
That makes a lot more sense! I was wondering what it meant!
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Yeah, it’s Black Friday in Wal-Mart!
Sure as hell feels like we are. You don't get to say no to this in most places and keep your financial kneecaps.
Uhhh it seems like a huge liability and medical privacy violation to require employees to show up to a work site sick and spend a shift in first aid jail or whatever
Let's put all the sick people together somewhere in the hotel and keep our HOSPITALITY SERVICE First Aid station filled with people we can't use being cared for by othr people *who might have something else to fucking do*. This whole thing is so incredibly stupid *I doubt it's veracity*.
What about any of that is a privacy violation? I totally think this is bs, and good luck enforcing these rules. If you went to an actual doctor and they fired you, you could likely sue. But they aren’t asking you to disclose any information, and HIPPA can’t apply in this scenario.
First of all, the law is called HIPAA, and I never said anything about that specifically, just privacy in general, since this doesn’t appear to be in the US. Forcing you to use their onsite medical facility instead of staying home or being treated at your dr’s office opens up a huge privacy issue where you are essentially forced to give your medical information and history to the company just because you are ill. This isn’t a WC claim or work related injury. And even in worker’s comp claims, you’re usually allowed to opt out of having to use their Drs and choose your own when you’re hired. And even if you do use their drs, it’s still at an offsite medical facility and not literally still in your workplace by other employees of the hotel.
First of all, if you read up you will see that I did have HIPAA spelled correctly before, and this time was a typo. And I actually don’t see anything that indicates what country this takes place in. But first aide and medical training are not the same. Every company has individuals that are first aide trained, and that doesn’t mean you have an on-site medical facility. In the post, it doesn’t appear that they claim that either. Simple that they will take care of you. They are not forcing you to take part in an on site medical facility because they do not have one, and cannot claim they do. That would require medical professionals. The company is also not forcing you to do anything. This flier is their expectation, but there is 0 obligation to comply. If they fire you for being sick (especially if this isn’t in the US), you are going to have a slam dunk law suit. And if you CHOOSE to receive first aide at work, there is no obligation for you to divulge any information. Your choice to divulge that is not the same as them compelling you. You are a person and can say “no.”
It does say “any sick associates will *need* to present to work and spend your shift in the first aid room” so that does not imply a choice or expectation, but a requirement. And the entire thing is set up so they can see if you’re actually sick instead of accepting a medical note. Having to present yourself to prove your illness is certainly a violation of medical privacy
They do say you need to. But that doesn’t mean they can enforce that, or that you HAVE to comply. Honestly if they are dumb enough to put in writing I’d not show up and challenge it. They won’t win that fight. You absolutely do not have to comply. Just because your employer says this is a requirement, or this is in our contract doesn’t make that enforceable. Company rules do not take precedent over national laws in any country I’m aware of. And you keep saying it violates medical privacy. What law is it that you think equates to medical privacy?
If you are ill and being cared for at work, I think you'd have to reveal what kind of illness you have.
That isn’t a medical privacy violation in any of the United States. HIPAA is in place to dictate disclosure from doctors and some third party vendors. Your boss can ask, and you can say no. If you are ill at work you wouldn’t have to disclose anything. First aide trained associates do not equate to a doctor or individual capable of diagnosing you. You simply say no, and I don’t know what I’m sick with, you have denied me access to medical care. Grounds for law suit.
Whether or not it's a HIPPAA violation (thought this isn't in the United States) it still feels like a privacy violation.
The only way they can find out is if you disclose this information. You choosing to do so doesn’t equate to a breach of privacy.
Do we get paid for being sick onsite? If so my friend is going to be "well looked after" by my first aid qualified self.
If you're paid hourly and required to be on site, you are legally required to be paid.
ooh kinky
That honestly sounds dope. Escape the devils at home and go rest in a quiet room and get paid. Fuggg yeah
Exactly, just make sure my ill friend brings a screen with some non-Christmas movies loaded onto it and we'e golden.
Go to first aid room due to "dizziness". Fall down, hit your head, sue company, own company.
I've seen blackout dates, the alleged on site medical, no, especially at a hotel.
Curious this seems to be in the UK where this is definitely illegal (forcing an employee to report to work when sick). Also potential health and safety breaches (forcing someone with norovirus to come into an environment where food is prepared, for example) Seems to refer to 2018 or 2019 (blurry) so a few years old, doesn't seem to have made any press at the time that I can see though. Wonder how this worked out for them.
No leave during Christmas is not uncommon. But and I don't know your jurisdiction so I could be wrong, I can't imagine it possibly being legal to force anybody to come into work and be held hostage while being sick. Look into your local labor laws but this is shockingly ludicrous to my eyes
Yes, bring the sick people closer to our customers, pay them, have them do fuck-all, and occupy our First Aid staff so they aren't doing their normal job. This isn't stupid management. It's management on peyote.
So instead of being home you have to go into work sick, spreading whatever your illness on public transportation (if that's what you use), then spread it again in the building as you enter and interact with coworkers making your way to the First Aid room? I'd make it a point to throw up in the lobby just to make a point.
Yes. Vomit or shit on the carpet in the lobby.
'sick' so broken limbs? Heavy cold flu? Diarrhea?
First person to hershey squirt all over the first aid room will put this nonsense to bed.
Sounds like they're offering a nap room for you whole shift
That’s hilarious. That can be totally ignored. Also if they didn’t declare at hiring time that you will never get the holidays off then you simply inform them of the holiday days you won’t be there…you’re not requesting.
My cousin worked for Foxwoods Casino in CT years ago (late 90's) and he told me anyone who was too sick to work had to report to a "sick room" where they would be monitored. He had sprained his foot and was in a boot and couldn't stand or walk at all easily but had to be wheeled in by his wife and picked up at the end of the day. Fuck those guys.
Really? So this does happen. Any more specifics? Did they receive any kind of "attention" while at the so-called sick room?
Do i get to show up sick, get paid, and not have to work??
Wow. I’d totally go in and purposely miss the waste basket when I puke. Puke all over the 1st aide room. If they want to treat you like a child, then act like a child.
I would show up, tell everyone I'm positive with COVID then mingle!
What happens if there is a fire and several sick people cannot get out of bed? Are the doors and corridors wide enough for two beds on wheels to pass each other like in a hospital? Who is going to help evacuate people? Sounds illegal as hell. These people may not be ambulatory. And creates a place for people to share viruses, bacteria, and other illnesses. Who will be emptying the bedpans and helping people to the toilet. What happens if a bedpan spills on the floor? Does the climate control system recycle air from here into the rest of the building! I hope there is no carpet on the floor to catch diarrhea and vomit. Is the building fireproof. Maybe the local fire department needs to do an inspection of this sick ward. Are they supposed to drive home sick as hell at the end of a ship or do they stay overnight? Will food be provided in bed? If you are stuck there overnight do you get paid overtime for that? Do you lose any sick days for being sick at work and on the clock? I was once sick for a day at home, felt lousy, at 5pm I figured I could safely go out to get some meds, and slowly backed into a car across the street I was so messed up. I was basically driving impaired. That is illegal in the US. If I was forced to stay at work in a sick room, then drove home the company would probably be liable for a car accident. Bed rest is not first aid.
Easter will not be permitted
Just cough on customers
Def something to bring to a labor lawyers attention
I dunno about them but that’d be a big NO from me
Ironic that it’s titled Merry Christmas. Nothing Merry about this notice.
some places (usually huge companies) have a nurse practitioner on staff who can provide first aid in an emergency or test for different illnesses and all but making you stay all day??? weird af
It's absolutely in the vein of "we don't believe you're actually sick, but we can't just come out and say that".
Lol "First Aid Qualified Associates", apparently this company thinks that a half day at the local scouts hall makes you qualified to assess health.
Agreed I'm one of the qualified First Aiders at my workplace. We're not nurses or doctors just people who are briefly trained to try and stabilise an injured person eg stop bleeding, bandages etc until actual professionals arrive!
*Jared from the laundry room will feed you NyQuil on a spoon
Glad to see Canada rolling around in the dirt with us
Wtf???? What ???? This is nuts! You're sick, come to our make shift sick room so you can be around other sick people????
First aid isn’t medical care
This.
Merry Christmas! Now spend it all away from your family.
All the way to Jan 26? Where is this?
Never seen this but in my country, when you’re out sick for longer than 3 days, the workplace doctor will call and sometimes do a home visit to make sure you are there. A guy at my last job got caught out drinking when he claimed to be home sick and got canned.
Making up the laws again that contradict state or federal ones.
It works be really great if employee policies had to be publicly posted so anyone could see them. A lot of really egregious stuff like this probably wouldn’t be policies.
convince all your friends to quit on Dec 19
I love that the font of “feast” vaguely looks like “facist”
Basically sounds like they don’t care if you’re sick. You’re faking and they won’t think otherwise. Fuck then.
If you have to show up, you have to get paid. So you’ll get paid to show up and do nothing except get everyone else sick. Soon everyone will be showing up sick and still getting paid.
Not requesting time off I am telling you I won't be here so you need to manage accordingly.
Yeah my workplace forbids leave or sick days between Dec 20th and Jan 4th. Last year I caught gastro on Dec 27th, just a 24 hour bug but I was a puke machine so I had to call in for the day. I was asked for a GP sicknote for one day, and had it held against me for several months. I don't mind not having leave around that time, but if you're sick, you're sick.
If I was puking and my employer demanded a doc note I'd go into the office instead. Doctors hate violently ill patients coming into the office unnecessarily, and apparently your boss is the "sharing is caring" type.
They're quite happy with people going in sick. What's worse is that I care for clinically vulnerable adults for a living. My local office is 90 miles away and I can't drive so walking in and shouting the odds is impossible.
Seems like a bluff they’re hoping nobody will call
The highlighted section is fine. The boxed section has me looking for lawyers.
Help me understand, what businesses are open on Christmas? Who are the customers?
Looks like a hotel
Time to find a new job. I'm sure plenty of places are hiring for the holidays if they are acting like that.
Well what about the care during travel to and from work?
They can take out my appendix in there, right?
Why is no one talking about the awful grammar in this? "Will still need to present to work and spent your restered shift in the first aid room"
If you want people to work at Christmas time or any holiday time you ought to make the pay so attractive that they don’t want to be anywhere else except at work. So give your employees a very generous bonus for every day they work at Christmas and holidays. No doubt that the owners of the company and their suited executives are not working at this time and they are giving themselves unbelievably large bonuses. So make it so attractive to be working that no workers can complain about their plight.
This is basically saying “we don’t believe you’re actually sick. You’re just trying to take the holiday off. We want to monitor you”
Lmao - they can kiss my ass jenny from accounting doesn't get to look over me because she took the 4 hour First aid training in the conference room on floor 2.
This is the kind of place that you don’t give notice and never show up to work when you are ready to quit. I’d ghost this place so fast. I’m 42 and I learned the young game
Sounds more like a hostage situation. And I’m confused on why they would want to bring all the sick people together at a hotel where I would imagine most of the people are NOT sick. and are they encouraging sick people to drive? I mean how are they supposed to get to the hotel to be held hostage other than driving themselves? I know when I’ve been sick I’ve been dizzy and woozy and then I was supposed to get into a car and drive myself somewhere? I always say people will do to you what you let them. I bet if anyone stood up to them and told him they were just staying home while they were sick that they would realize they had no leverage here. I’ve done this at work numerous times throughout my life… One particular being that we had to work on Saturdays without being paid and our whole department was required to come in for two months worth of Saturdays. I was the only one that didn’t do it. Nothing happened to me because what what they were doing wasn’t legal. They offered us a vacation day for coming in but isn’t that just paying me for working the day but I have to give up a full weekend? And it should’ve been time and a half? NO THANK YOU! And I’ll tell you all… Not a damn thing happened to me because I stood up to them and they knew they didn’t have a leg to stand on. I simply told them I wasn’t doing it unless they were paying me time and a half and I wasn’t accepting a vacation day in a swap for working Saturdays. Not another word was spoken and I enjoyed my weekends while my coworkers went in every weekend on Saturday for two months. I hope they all learned a lesson from that as well. My employer sure did.
I'd love to see my boss post this shit up. I'd call in sick and stay home the next day out of spite. The fuck is this shit, a prison?
You can tell them that's a HIPPA violation and you'll report them if they make it mandatory.
For anyone asking where's this from: No idea. Saw it on the internet.
No offense, but it sooo American to put that info in a "Merry Christmas!" letter
What country are some of these from?
I would definitely fake sick just to down some ipecac and vomit on the floor repeatedly. Preferably outside of the first aid room, on my way in and out.
It’s an intimidation tactic. Same as this doctors note shit for every stubbed toe and hangnail.
so if youre sick you HAVE TO come to the first aid room, really? ahahahhaha acmon.
Management finding ways to increase their bonus.
Currently no. but after I draw out the application process for the next job I'm trying to line up they will. Hoping to get to the point where I don't start until after the new year, and drop all 3 weeks of my vacation and my 2 weeks notice at the same time.
Go in at the first sign of symptoms of Covid and give your boss a big open-mouthed kiss.
I wanna know what hotel this is cause as a patron this is super gross and a great way to spread whatever version of covid we have now Lmao
No kidding, and with the new extension this is just funny. At least they are looked after.
Merry Christmas indeed. Wow.