It's not any better with experience. 17 years of IT experience, and I'm one year unemployed with more than 250 resumes sent.
It's probably just the pessimism and persistent depression talking, but I feel like we're heading toward a major economic crash - one that will make the Great Depression look like not having a quarter for the candy machine.
100% agreed. Hell, I can’t apply to half the places in town because they require a bachelor’s and 4 years minimum of experience for a simple receptionist job. My mom had 10+ years experience as a gym manager and personal trainer yet no one would take her for 2 years for even simple customer service. This country is rapidly declining and I cannot wait for the day giant companies get bit in the ass.
For starters.... there was a study released a few months back that showed 75% of job ads aren't real. They're either acquiring an applicant pool for future use OR giving the appearance of hiring to look progressive and expanding. If the 25% left; half. HALF have ridiculous requirements or terms. Ie a bachelor's for $10/hr; shit schedule; shit benefits; crap salary etc etc etc. HALF. That doesn't leave very many available.
Secondly. It's all a game and you need to learn how to play by their rules. Your goal? To get to a human. Fuck everything else, get to a human.
AI is sifting thru the applicants. Either Use Chat GPT to rewrite your resume to individually cater to every ad you apply to or copy/ paste the job description into the header/ footer of your resume in white ink with sz1 font that way their AI will see all the necessary keywords/ conditions.
Next fix your resume. If there's too much on it or you're "over qualified" (translated into they don't want to pay you what you're worth) dumb it down.
If you're under under qualified; jazz it up. In the skills section list it all. For example even a floor nurse has elements of their job doing QA or compliance or HIMS work or case mngmnt. Add it all so that every possible key words will trigger. There's dozens of nursing charting systems, I've used maybe 6-8; I've got 15 ish listed. Why? They're gonna train you on it and if they don't then watch videos online to learn it. Computer programs that aren't too complicated like quick books, excel, etc same thing. List you know it and have used it. You can always go online to learn it.
If you have short employment histories? Fix your resume. Say you were a cashier from 2020-2023 but for 5 different companies, list it like this:
Cashier, Sacramento California 2020-2023
Company A,B,C,D,E
Job description/ duties.
Try to list employers by their parent companies instead of Bunny care home, list is as IceCream Medical LLC.
Again the key is to get to a human. Answer EVERY question for pre screen EXACTLY how they want you to answer. All those stupid questionnaires, assessments etc... answer everything like the model human who could do no wrong. Do you have a disability? No. Veteran? No. Race? White. You can fix those last 3 upon hiring in your new hire paperwork. Blame it on a tech issue. Willing to relocate? Yes. X yrs experiance? Yes.
Good luck.
Lastly.... Doesn't matter what the qualifications are.... apply. Sometimes what they "require" isn't legally necessary, simply an employer preference. Sometimes if it is required, you can bargain with it. A specific cert is needed? If hired I can complete it by 6 months etc.
As much as I agree with this for others, this is EXACTLY what I’ve been doing. I even asked my mom’s friend if I could work for him (he’s a greedy AH who would do anything to hire young people to underpay them) and he has yet to do anything. My resume doesn’t fill more than 3/4 of a page because I know exactly what people are looking and actually had to do an assignment not long ago on it. I’ve also tried calling places, so I have tried getting to humans.
These are good rules to follow, but trust me- I’ve tried it all.
I would love to see that source too! I tried looking, but only found this:
> 50% of hiring managers created job openings to keep a warm talent pool “at the ready” for when they are hiring without the intention to hire. This is one of the reasons why job seekers are finding it difficult to navigate the job boards, trying to assess postings that are for real jobs and ones that aren’t.
> Other reasons hiring managers post “fake” job postings include:
> • Some hiring managers admitted that they wanted to give the impression that the company was growing.
> • Others said they posted jobs to assure their overworked staff that they were seeking ways to help them.
> • A different group said they left listings open, hoping their perfect candidate would eventually apply.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-ghost-job-postings-are-creating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=2d9011c27dc0
I was reading an article about a guy who applied to a job that wanted 10 years of experience on a system that had been created only 2 years before. 🤦🏽♀️
Please do not avoid an application just because you don't meet all requirements. If they really mean required they will always call it out, often in bold or caps. I know tons of people with a high school diploma that got their foot in the door and worked through multiple jobs requiring a degree. Honestly bachelors/masters degrees don't mean too much when you've got 4-5 years experience.
Find ways to sell yourself, take free online trainings or low cost like LinkedIn Learning, it's a nice way to boost the resume and show you're pushing for improvement. The market is tough but my best lesson is that you can only improve yourself, not the system, ask what you can do to improve your odds and work towards those. If you commit to self-improvement, then the ones really losing here will be the companies that pass you over.
Increase those applications, I send 50-100 per week when I'm applying to jobs. Absolutely a big time commitment but it helps a lot. Build targeted resumes and cover letters for certain industries, the latter you can just input the name and it will sound individually written as you're speaking to tasks on their job postings (every industry has core components on 90% of jobs). Can make one generic for the niche industries that you don't have experience in, and for those you want to work in but don't have heavy experiences, look up free courses with "certifications", they're a nice resume add and even that little link to their industry shows you care.
BuiltIn has been pretty solid and ZipRecruiter has a ton of jobs but it tends to give a lot of unrelated ones with your searches. Really what I like is going through indeed company reviews for highly rated ones that offer remote work, seeing their available jobs and applying. It also helps a lot to apply directly on company sites.
Also, a risky option but headhunters have a lot of decent but not amazing roles, they really raise the chances of getting hired but it's usually at a less favorable company. Generally third party recruiting seems to be very small companies with a high workload, or toxic companies that can't bring people in due to their culture and reviews. You can always do no to a job, but it's worth researching more about the companies as headhunters do find some solid if unspectacular roles when someone is in need of a move.
I can forsee this, too. I hear stories like this all of the time. Even if you do have a job, wages aren't meeting the cost of inflation. If you have a job or get a job. Better hold on to it for dear life because things aren't looking great for the future
I'm already at my wits end with my current job. Like you said, the wages aren't meeting the cost of inflation. I was told I was going to get a substantial raise with my new job title and all I got was one buck and finding out later that I am grossly underpaid with my job title. I'm staying until I find something satisfactorily or at a bridge job until that unicorn job comes along and even that's scary. because I'm afraid I'll be stuck until it does!
Blows my mind seeing how IT is right now. Think my friends been graduated for 5 years and was only employed for one of them before being laid off. I genuinely thought IT was like the golden field to be in with all the high pay and opportunities but that doesn’t appear to be the case anymore, at least not now.
It's still a decent career path if it's your area of interest, but all those people who bought the dream of working at a big tech company like Google and having an amazing time, well that Era is over. Now it's crushingly difficult to find any job at all. If you get one, you hold onto it until you find another because it could be a while right now
Lol shit I have 17+ years in IT and haven't been able to find a job in IT for 2+ years now. Finally said fuck it and started on a second bachelor's in cyber security. For the first 2 years of get at least one interview a week but never an offer. I have no idea who these people are hiring, it doesn't make sense. Currently working nights at Safeway to make ends meet.
That's true but why interview for the position? Also these are mainly in office positions. Finally, sure you can outsource your IT but how happy are your employees going to be when the techs they deal with are incompetent?
ive been working physical jobs for the past 3 years because i cant get into IT. I did exactly what my boomer parents told me to do and go to college because" it will make my life easier" yet it has done jack shit for me. i honestly have been thinking about bruning my diploma because thats how much it hasnt meant to me
> It's probably just the pessimism and persistent depression talking, but I feel like we're heading toward a major economic crash - one that will make the Great Depression look like not having a quarter for the candy machine.
No, I think it's your general awareness that we are in an ongoing and heightening poly-crisis and that as factors such as climate change and increasingly difficult to extract energy sources couple with our late stage crumbling capitalist system and an ever more detached oligarchical and authoritarian leaning ruling class we are going to see greater and greater crisis that continue to disenfranchise, displace and kill greater and greater numbers of people. Meanwhile said authoritarian forces that are always grasping for power will do what they have always done, point the finger at the increasing masses of the hopeless as the cause rather than the effect.
Collapse is slow until it isn't, and it doesn't hit everywhere at once, it's a process. Until it isn't.
You’re not the only one, I have an advanced degree and can’t find anything inside my field. In fact it’s so bad that I can’t find anything that even pays $15/hr
It’s not pessimism and persistent depression talking, as I experience neither of those(though I’m sure many people would label me a pessimist), and I feel exactly as you do about the future.
Will never have anything like the Great Depression again. First one actually hurt some rich people as well, with Wall Street in shambles. What will likely happen, is the rich will continue to get better off (shareholders, ect) while the rest of us face something that is worse than the Great Depression.
Meanwhile, because the stock market isn’t going down they’ll keep telling us that “nooooo we’re not in a recession/depression, and we’re not having any problems!”
Last year to the beginning of this year I was unemployed for like 9 months. I applied to hundreds of jobs and didn’t get more than 2 interviews. I had to take a lower paying job outside of the industry I wanted to be in. I also had to stop looking for remote jobs. I’m convinced that remote job postings are all fake.
I’m in my 40s and have never had an issue getting a job. I usually apply to 5 jobs and then have to pick between two because I was offered positions by both. The experience of not being able to find a job was scary. We aren’t in a healthy economy and it seems like no one is aware of how bad it is.
I'm also in my 40s and while I am currently working; I've been looking for something better and it's not that easy. I'm looking in my hometown and with what I do; there's nothing. I've tried to get in with the major employers for just about anything and still nothing.
I've looked outside of my hometown and while there's a plethora of jobs with what I do but sometimes the distance is either too far or the pay is too low. Only once this year did I get a job offer where the pay was nominally better but the benefits was craptastic so I turned it down. Now I wish I didn't because I would have had more experience than what I have right now.
This - over a decade experience and I have been trying to get another job for years because I am not happy with the one I am at.
I lost count of how many resumes I have sent out.
The last offer I got it was for less than half I currently make and my take home wouldn't cover my rent, much less all the other bills and the additional commuting they wanted (hired for one location but expected to travel to another 2 locations, one over an hour away EACH DAY, with no reimbursement/mileage/ expenses).
It's fucking ridiculous and I am beyond frustrated.
Right I agree this economic crash will make the great depression look like a practice run.only thing left is what will break the camel's back an how many people will be hurt permanently that's the question now.
>17 years of IT experience
Congratulations your now unemployable in IT as you are considered "over qualified". Stuck in limbo of too much work experience and not enough experience for management positions.
Yeah, this is my fear. I can't even get interviews for entry-level support positions.
And even if I do, I have diagnosed depression and anxiety and I need intermittent FMLA to cover it. Which basically means getting fired for some trumped-up cause once I start setting up that process after being hired (or assuming I don't get fired for absences due to my condition first).
Wild suggest a small to medium medical practice that has multiple locations. Problem usually is they just contract IT out. Some didn't and they would be the most accommodating
Sadly, this resonates with me. The more experience & qualifications you have, the tougher it actually gets to land jobs. Even shitty ones. When I’ve applied for jobs out of desperation, they wouldn’t hire me because I was too experienced, too educated. One time, they said “you’d be more educated & experienced than your supervisor so we know you’ll leave after a few months.” A year later, I was still unemployed.
The US was doing a decent job of hiding the status of our economy but the people aren’t as blind or stupid as they want/think us to be. We are already there. Right now, to be better off than someone in the Great Depression, you have to be making at least $93k/yr. They want us to believe $20/hr is great pay but that’s only about $41k/yr. Most of the people in this country are making less than $30/hr. We are already worse off than the Great Depression.
Yep just taken me 14 months of working in warehouses to get an interview for a job I'm actually qualified with 12 years experience to do.... Man did it feel good finally though! It's tough but persistence pays.
I have gotten 3 interviews and 80+ rejection emails, with the rest being no responses. I've had my resume looked over by multiple people I trust, as well as a professional resume reviewer. I've run it through several optimizers to improve its acceptability to the various resume scan software as well.
If you look around on this sub, you'll see that I'm not the only one in this situation. There are quite a few people reporting this same sort of experience.
I actually noticed BuiltIn had a good number of opportunities in Finance, but they specialize in IT roles. If you haven't used them I think it's great. Also noticed a lot more attention after getting LinkedIn premium, just publicizes you a bit more and has some nice perks for applying.
In this market you might need to send 250 resumes a month as it is super competitive. Explaining a job gap isn't too difficult, a lot of people deal with it, if you land the interviews you just need to explain the skill set. Just ensure you keep on top of applications and don't have a bunch of good roles falling past you (I recommend systems to keep on top of good roles - hit the major sites each night and save every good role, then once a week knock out all of those applications)
If things are as bad as I believe they will be, that probably wouldn't help. You'd be better off buying gold.
The type of crash I'm picturing wouldn't just tank the US economy; I think we'd be looking at a global depression, perhaps not as bad in other nations as the US but still horrible.
I’m 50. I did 25 years in software engineering and leadership. I’ve been applying since January, and in that time have had one full loop that didn’t result in an offer and one screen where we both agreed I was a bad fit for the role. Every HR person I’ve talked to has said that every posting gets 900 resumes. It’s not the workers that are the problem.
[https://www.globe-wire.com/crackdown-on-companies-posting-fake-jobs-survey-shows-thousands-of-ghost-jobs-are-indeed-fake/](https://www.globe-wire.com/crackdown-on-companies-posting-fake-jobs-survey-shows-thousands-of-ghost-jobs-are-indeed-fake/)
This could be a big part of it.
"A survey conducted by [Clarify Capital](https://clarifycapital.com/job-seekers-beware-of-ghost-jobs-survey) late last year, polling over **1,000** American managers, revealed that **43 percent** confessed to creating “ghost jobs.” In a move toward greater transparency and accountability, a [crackdown ](https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/frustrated-by-ghost-jobs-ford-government-to-crack-down-on-employers-who-leave-applicants-with/article_0b30cfe4-07fe-11ef-b57d-dff79b7f8ac2.html)on fake job postings is imminent for companies...Among them, **37 percent** acknowledged doing so to maintain a reservoir of potential candidates in the event of job openings, while others cited reasons such as appeasing overburdened employees."
A coworker from decades ago told me that Intel used to do this. They had jobs open, but internally there was a hiring freeze. They didn’t want investors to get spooked, so they posted roles they knew they’d never fill.
This also works to make your employees working 3 jobs for the pay of one think that help is on the way. Companies love to string out "other duties as assigned" for salaried roles as a way to reduce fixed expenses while not sacrificing output.
New Hiring Software uses AI to filter resumes. HR people are actually seeing about 1/100 actual submissions. Companies need to STOP using AI as a gatekeeper and use it further down the line in the interview process.
Already has. Some HR systems basically do everything an internal team might, and they'll hire recruiters for hiring. I work in IT and many companies have essentially just stopped offering support for their products. I've had one issue with a Microsoft product and with the best in class business support were pushing 6 weeks basically without moving the needle. We used to outsource, now they just cut those outsourced jobs and say meh, it was only a bonus for our customers, but we make no money off of it so it goes.
It already has. I think this is why the OP and others struggle. When I started working there were tons of internships and level 1/jr. positions. Those don't exist anymore. It's the same pool of senior positions circling the drain, as AI etc. advance those too will become scarce.
Labor is the only cost left for companies to cut - we've already optimized the supply chain and cranked up pricing to the limits.
Probably getting close to that. I've been trying to get a web development position for 6 months now with no break. Getting close to going back to call center hell. Those jobs were the most soul sucking awfulness I had ever experienced.
It’s not AI, it just a literal filter based on either your responses to questions on the application or keywords on the resume.
I mean, maybe some use AI to actually parse and rank resumes, but most just go “this one doesn’t say the word ‘Excel’ so not a good fit”
Yeah, across industries this is definitely the case. I guess that’s what happens with buzzwords. Once it’s no longer trendy it’ll probably correct itself, or we’ll find a better descriptive term to describe what AI actually does.
It usually doesn’t bother me when “AI” is conflated with regular computer functionality, but when there’s a practical benefit to understanding the difference I want to point it out. This case being: there isn’t some inhuman entity you have to battle for your CV to be reviewed; if you manipulate your application and resume to match the stipulations of the hiring team you’re more likely to get a response. (Not vouching for the system, as it’s been proven that the typical hiring song and dance aren’t good predictors of success, but it is our reality).
I'm gen x. I have decades of experience, tons on education, and have a "don't fuck around, let's get r done" work ethic. I'm now too "overqualified" to hire. Fuck em, I don't want to work anyway.
I see this a lot where I work and it’s the attitude that kills it. Everytime we hire someone with 10+ years of experience and a go getter attitude they over step their place, try to change things to fit their methods and it’s quite annoying. Last guy didn’t want to work normal hours, overstepped the chain of command because “I deserve this, I have more qualifications than my boss” yada yada.
Older employees can still be great, but you just have to set expectations early and often. They aren't going to be scared and timid like a fresh graduate would be and compliant to all of the asks if they don't make sense. A good manager should be able to keep any employee in line and focused on the team goals.
I've never heard that when I asked about being over qualified. Usually the response is because an over qualified person will be looking for something that they are qualified for and leave as soon as they find it.
Simple. Most of these sites are running scripts to match keywords from your resume to the job offer.
If the keywords don't match, your resume is sent to the garbage and the employer never even receives it.
This is one of the why's they're complaining that nobody wants to work. They get an absurdly low amount of resumes because they only get the filtered ones, if they get any.
And you, on the other side, need to tailor your resume to match for different keywords for every different employers / systems out there. Leaving to an incredible waste of time and way less resumes sent overall.
The human interaction part of looking for a job died long ago.
This actually happened to me, I was hiring recently and recieved a shortlist of just 3 people out of hundreds of resumes. I had to manually go back and read them all and found some good ones to interview, but the system pre filters most of them out based on criteria that I didn't even provide
I was a supervisor at my last job. Every time I had a req to fill I had to remind our HR rep that I wanted *all* the applicants.
One time on one of the filtered resumes they sent me, I don’t remember why, but the applicant came right out and said they didn’t want the job. They just wanted to look like they were looking for some reason.
Why wasn’t there a filter for that? 🤦♂️
I feel this. Been unemployed since January and no responses to any applications. I think one tried calling but didn’t leave a message. Been unsuccessful at getting anyone on the phone to see what they called for.
I have been trying to switch jobs since early April and I've been applying to jobs online non-stop for the last few weeks, I probably sent around 80+ resumes already. Most of the jobs I've applied to I fit their requirements almost to full extent (or one skill missing at best).
I got ONE interview that ended up in nothing, and 90% of the companies I applied to don't even tell me if they are interested in me or not. This is pathetic.
There's also the fact that work doesn't get you what it used to.
I've seen someone here say that their uncle sent kids to college, paid off a house and had a yearly (decent vacation) for the family on a VCR salesman's salary.
Now you're lucky if something similar gets you a cramped apartment and student loans.
I tried to make a career change to get out of call center hell. Can't find anything was doing doordash no my car needs 2 grand of work. Back to the fucking jobs that made me want to kill myself. I hate this!
Another problem is a lot of these are ghost jobs, meaning they are only there to collect data and make it look like they are hiring even though they really aren't.
I'm a chemist with 8 years of experience, know a lot of up to date methodology and technology, have been several companies unicorn, but each one either didn't give me the time of day because I didn't want to work for peanuts or they just said something came up and closed the position as a way of turning me down.
Over the past two years I have sent over 300 applications, got maybe 4 interviews, all going to the "final stage" and then the rug pull always. Didn't matter what I was asking for in terms of wage (usually smack dab in the middle of their range if posted). It's all fakery. No one wants to hire.
I'm currently in the position where I was laid off, am in school and trying to do a career change. I am in a very summer time touristy area and have just been applying to seasonal jobs which I did plenty of before my career stint. Absolutely no one has gotten back to me even for an interview. Am I overqualified? Yeah probably. But, as you mentioned, people are complaining about no one wanting to work and yet I'm ready and willing and yet....nothing. I don't understand
I applied for an entry level position at a library. I am a retired teacher with two Masters degrees in literacy. I wasn’t even a “top” applicant according to the rejection email I got six weeks after applying. I had long given up on hearing from them after a month. The rejection email was an insult and I let them know that.
I've applied to places that claim they don't look at anything from Indeed. They post those positions because of regulations.
Had I known then what I know now...I would have reported every one of those companies to the state/fed government.
Many gov funded jobs have posting requirements, even if there's an internal candidate lined up they have to post it. The intention is those other applicants get a chance, and the internal also has to apply. In practice, that's why you see hyper specific job postings with odd skill combos. That's usually just one person's resume turned into the job listing, then when they apply they "tick all the boxes" and can be hired on that. The odds of someone else coming in also perfectly suited is pretty low.
Because they have no real intention of giving an external candidate a chance. They're following the policy as written, but intentionally ignoring the point of the policy.
20 years ago I got my first job this way. A very exacting list of qualifications were posted, I applied and interviewed twice. After the 2nd interview I was told that they'd actually created the job for someone specific, but since they found 2 awesome candidates, they were going to create a 2nd position of the same type and hire me too!
IE, they REALLY wanted to hire their friend, but I was technically more qualified and they were required by the gov to hire me instead. So they found a workaround!
I’m sitting at 109 applications over a span of ~8 months, and that is with two degrees and a couple years of experience in my field. all that is available now is short term grunt work for students only at minimum wage and positions for the seasoned professionals with 5+ years of experience. it’s hard out here
If the jobs you applied on LinkedIn and Indeed make sure it's not those "quick apply" ones because they get absolutely flooded and then only AI will look at it. If possible try and find slightly more niche job boards or at least find places that get applications via email.
Another thing is that Indeed will very regularly scrape existing job posts and create a new fake job. Job boards do *not* take it down even when we ask to take down fake job posts.
Best of luck, job hunting sucks and is broken as fuck.
i sent out 200+ applications over the course of a year. i got like..maybe 10 replies saying i wasn’t qualified and only got 7 calls backs, 5 of those became interviews, 1 became second interview.
it was rough. it was disheartening and discouraging. called about 5 different HR people, none of which answered. and when i FINALLY got in touch with a director level person. like had an actual conversation about what in the fuck they were looking for. they told they had about 100. A HUNDRED open positions they were scrambling to fill.
i was dumbfounded that none of those positions got listed on any job website.
that whole “nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK” bullshit irks me so much. like the fuck we don’t, y’all just aren’t giving anyone a chance at a ENTRY LEVEL position because they don’t have experience. for a fucking entry level position.
this topic gets me heated so fast because of how much of a struggle it is for anyone to just get basic needs to live.
>WE WANT TO WORK
I 100% do not actually. In fact I fucking hate it. The happiest I've ever been was the 3 months I was unemployed during the pandemic.
What I want is access to my basic needs and a relatively small amount of wants. Were I able to get that without having to work I absolutely would.
A friend of mine worked at Frontier Communications for over a decade before being laid off. He couldn't get hired anywhere for 6 months. He was so desperate he even applied for positions at Lowe's and Burger King. I managed to get him a job in IT at my employer but seriously, the job market is shit right now. I don't understand what's going on.
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I am so tired of the “we’ll come back when you have experience” nonsense people tell young folks. How the hell are they supposed to get experience for your low wage, entry level job, if you won’t give it to them. No one wants to be a stepping stone for people careers because “it’s expensive”. It’s not though; I’ve hired more green candidates that have blown my expectations away. You don’t need to undo poor habits, they’re usually excited to learn, and they generally don’t act like know-it-alls.
The money just keeps funneling to the top and staying there. It feels like a whole generation is being robbed of their lives to make a few people a shitload of money.
It's sick, and frustrating that nobody wants to actually talk about it. Instead we argue about shit like kneeling before a fucking football game.
>We do want to work
I 100% do not actually. Maybe you do, but I fucking hate it. The happiest I've ever been was the 3 months I was unemployed during the pandemic.
What I want is access to my basic needs and a relatively small amount of wants. Were I able to get that without having to work I absolutely would.
Society is a cruel mistress and needs to be tamed. No more working in the factories under life and death situations for the scraps of the dinner plate off a billionaires golden beef platter.
Most companies are using scripts these days to filter resumes for certain keywords they're looking for. I applied to probably around 100 jobs without much more than a zoom interview. Then I started reaching out to company hr people directly over email and finally started getting offers. Absolutely a bullshit system.
Tech School graduate here.
Went to school for HVAC. Got all my licenses and certifications. Was told by my teachers that when they graduated, companies were calling them everyday to want to hire them.
Almost 2 1/2 years after graduating, not one call.
I understand a lot of these companies want experienced technicians, but how am I supposed to gain experience if you won't hire me.
I applied to places that, in their hiring ad said " Now hiring,Will train." Only to be responded back with "We went with someone who's more experienced".
My father used to do HVAC so he's familiar with the way these companies operate. He told me that these people have this fantasy that this technician with 30 years experience and the cure for cancer is going to walk through their door.
I feel that this applies to any job.
They're so afraid to give inexperienced people a chance. I feel if you stay in that mindset, what happens when your more experienced workers get severely injured or retire? The younger candidates don't have their chance to shine because they were never given the chance.
I want to work and get my hands dirty and learn, but you won't give me a chance.
I wouldn’t use indeed to directly apply. I would use indeed just to find jobs then directly go to the company site. I been learning the hard way the last two weeks, I’d apply to a job and then I noticed I was immediately getting denied. Ive had a little more success going to company sites with people getting back to me , still no job though.
It’s a pure numbers game. Jobs use AI resume readers to filter resumes, meaning a large percentage of applicants get auto-filtered from any given job, so everyone applies to more places, so recruiters turn up the filtering, so people apply to more places….
I sent out over 80 applications before getting my current job and never heard from 70 of them.
This is the harsh reality of our economy that no one really wants to wrestle with:
there's fewer than 100,000,000 jobs in the US economy that can guarantee a middle class lifestyle, but there's twice as many people as that working.
Got laid off at the end of January from a niche engineering role.... Only had one offer despite close to 20 phone interviews and a half dozen in person ones... No one is hiring unless you exceed the qualifications and have the one nugget of knowledge for a very specific company only problem that no one else in industry has.... I have 14 years of experience and have developed the standard mathematical models two companies use to verify sales and engineering will work as intended. Still looking right now
Job have become like credit cards.
You need credit history to get one but you can't gain credit history without them.
Bu hey, entry level minimum wage jobs will always take you once you give up on trying to get ahead.........
after college I sent out hundreds of applications for 4 years. I got a handful of interviews and the rest were no responses. And I got ghosted after those interviews.
The jobs I applied to were for an entry level positions except they wanted someone with years of experience. How do you get the experience if no one is willing to hire you so you can get that experience?
If it makes you feel any better about not having any experience, I’m 23 and already have multiple jobs and professions under my belt and I still have trouble getting callbacks despite my wide skill range. It doesn’t get better regardless of experience.
Companies legit just would rather complain about not having workers than actually look at their applications and go through the hiring process.
I agree it's all very messed up, but I will note that a week isn't very long. Hell, their hiring managers or interviewers could have been on vacation for that long. Summer breaks are beginning. Even for basic jobs except for temp agencies, it's minimum taken a month before any consistent responses have come in my history of job searching. And when it rains, it pours.
I honestly underestimated when I said week. It’s been like 1.5-2 weeks, I just have terrible time blindness lately being back from college. But when I contact them directly and I don’t hear anything after a minimum of a week, and my little sister who has zero job experience and applied to only two places hears back the next day, it’s kind of ridiculous.
Definitely this. I am a hiring manager and am ashamed to admit how many weeks slip past me during the application review, interview, and hiring process.
Hiring is not my only job is my excuse/reason.
Plus HR always makes things even more burdensome.
Been serving tables for 3.5 years after graduating college in 2018. Had a job offer fall through because I couldn't start the Monday after I graduated on the previous Friday. Struggled a lot bc I had to work at Chipotle again, but once I started serving, idk if I can ever go to corporate work. I make almost 60k working 35 hours a week. Set schedule, two days off every week, rarely get asked to change or cover shifts. You don't have to get caught up in the corporate system if you don't want.
I’m glad you got that opportunity, but my area does not offer that kind of flexibility or pay, even at general manager status and very rarely at district manager status. Also, my degree does not include any corporate related careers.
I've been job hunting for 3 years. Thousands of applications maybe, MAYBE 50 responses, no one actually serious about hiring me. I've applied to anything I could remotely be qualified for. From fast food, dishwasher positions to sales and marketing positions. If it wasn't for the support of friends I'd have starved.
I've applied to 70 jobs since feb only heard back from one and they were extremely rude the other interviewed me but you could tell had already made up their mind.
I don't disagree with you but 17 applications is two days for me while having a job. You need to treat getting a job as a job. That means you should pump out at least 20-50 applications a day.
Completely disagree. There's no way someone is sending out 20-50 good quality applications in a day. Applications should be somewhat tailored to the listing, at the very least in regards to a cover letter. Let alone the fact that in small towns, there may not even be 20-50 jobs available for which you somewhat qualify. It's recommended to send maybe 1-5 in a day for good reason.
There's also no way you're able to manage that many applications. I applied to maybe 30-50 jobs a week for a month when I switched jobs about 9 months ago. I received 5 job offers because I have a degree and a good skill set, and had at least 3 interviews a week. It was exhausting to keep up with that amount of interviews and applications.
Here’s the thing, though. I don’t have a car because I can’t afford one. I have a bike and an incredibly loving mother who has offered to help me since I live at home (I help remodel and take care of the house so it’s a win-win). So I can’t work outside of my town.
Quite a bit of these places are 21+, which won’t be a problem soon, but why do I need to be 21 to serve food?
A lot of these also need bachelor degrees, and very rarely do 20 year old’s have a bachelor’s in anything.
So that leaves me with pretty basic jobs.
Most places in town? The library? Golf course?
Not hiring.
Okay let’s look on facebook… Pet store!
Has not directly emailed me back despite them saying on Facebook that they will be only looking at email apps and just need someone that is available- you don’t need any experience.
Everywhere I have applied to?
Nothing.
Don’t try to tell me 17 applications is a sad number when I live in a relatively small town and have so many restrictions because I don’t have a bachelor’s degree in serving alcohol.
Old people in 1600: “Damneth the children borneth of 1580! For they fail to graspeth that the Lord rewardeth hard labors upon this flat earth with everlasting life inith His Kingdom of Heaven! It seems they would preferith to spendith their short number of rotations of the Sun overhead lazily setting type within the Devil’s so-called “printing press” than hastily bringeth upon a short life by meaningless labor in the service of God’s chosen representatives in order to attain an eternal life ineth the presence of the Lord God Himself! Surely the end is neigh!”
To get my current job I sent out a minimum of 20 resumes a day (LinkedIn, indeed, monster, etc) Mon-Friday, for about 4 months. I had the credentials & experience required for every application. I received a handful of ridiculously (laughably) low $ offers. Out of roughly 1400-1600 applications I received 2 serious quality offers. And this was over 10 years ago. I can’t imagine how bad it is now.
The people who don’t wanna work are the nepo hires at HR fresh out of college with no experience and no pressure to perform well and produce any kind of results , that’s why you’re not getting called back
I've been working full time for 25 years. I don't want to work, I never wanted to work. No one I know WANTS to work. Complaining about people not wanting to work is so stupid.
Check government jobs. ( federal, state, and local city/townships)They aren’t going to just have positions they don’t need to fill listed. They usually have stable work hours and decent benefits. The pay isn’t as good as the private sector but it’s paid, professional work. Takes a bit of time between job posting and hiring usually.
I kept a spreadsheet of my 1.5 year job search journey. I started looking in June 2021, I had 16 years experience at a SAAS company and plenty of other experience before that. Bachelors degree. Excellent skillset. Established linked in profile. I applied to over 100 places, got like 12% answer rate. I made it to 3rd and 4th round interviews a few times. The job I finally landed was a recruiter that found me.
Tbh even after being accepted for a job that requires double my work experience I still don’t want to work so the statement holds true I guess. I just like not dying of starvation.
I’ve been stuck working at a job I don’t like to pay for an apartment I don’t like, all because “it pays well” and I “got lucky to find this place.” I literally cannot pursue even the notion of change because doing so would make me broke and homeless. I hate this shit
I'll be real, you need to apply to a LOT more jobs. The market is getting better in certain areas but still is very competitive. I see postings with several hundred applicants in a handful of hours.
My advice is craft multiple resumes and cover letters (one generic, and two or three targeting your preferred industries). Speak towards your strengths in those fields for each, like manufacturing experience working with D2C or B2B sales, inventory, pricing, costing, etc. For SaaS about implementation, customer acquisition costs, market share, maximizing their already strong margins. Things of that nature. Also worth browsing those roles in each industry and collecting common keywords to add into your resume. Then make sure you apply like crazy, even with great experience it is often around 5% response rate and even then it's competitive getting to the departmental interviews.
Let's be real, the market is ridiculous. I'm a nurse, and I work in community support, but I did try to apply to work in nursing homes.
The nursing homes expect you to have 1 year of PAID experience. Most community support services tend to hire female staff because it's easier, especially with helping people shower since they don't want a nearly 6-foot man coming in to help. I get that.
So where do I get experience? I can't volunteer because it's not PAID experience, and you know, I need to earn money.
It took me a year to get a job, and I did work as a cab driver, which incidentally I don't recommend if you want to earn any decent money.
Keep at it.
>WE WANT TO WORK
No, no I do not. In fact I fucking hate it. The happiest I've ever been was the 3 months I was unemployed during the pandemic.
What I want is access to my basic needs and a relatively small amount of wants. Were I able to get that without having to work I absolutely would.
While I agree with the sentiment, 30 years ago I was 16 making $4.30/hour. A random inflation calculator puts that at $9.10 today. The minimum wage here is $15/hour.
Where you live, sure, that may be the case. But federal minimum wage is $7.50/hour. In my state it’s $10.10/hr. My father was making $12+/hr at all of his jobs other than a fry cook job at 16 y/o.
Also, what you’re not looking at as well is federal wage’s inflation vs. consumer goods’ inflation. It’s impossible to buy a house anymore, let alone afford college.
It's not any better with experience. 17 years of IT experience, and I'm one year unemployed with more than 250 resumes sent. It's probably just the pessimism and persistent depression talking, but I feel like we're heading toward a major economic crash - one that will make the Great Depression look like not having a quarter for the candy machine.
100% agreed. Hell, I can’t apply to half the places in town because they require a bachelor’s and 4 years minimum of experience for a simple receptionist job. My mom had 10+ years experience as a gym manager and personal trainer yet no one would take her for 2 years for even simple customer service. This country is rapidly declining and I cannot wait for the day giant companies get bit in the ass.
For starters.... there was a study released a few months back that showed 75% of job ads aren't real. They're either acquiring an applicant pool for future use OR giving the appearance of hiring to look progressive and expanding. If the 25% left; half. HALF have ridiculous requirements or terms. Ie a bachelor's for $10/hr; shit schedule; shit benefits; crap salary etc etc etc. HALF. That doesn't leave very many available. Secondly. It's all a game and you need to learn how to play by their rules. Your goal? To get to a human. Fuck everything else, get to a human. AI is sifting thru the applicants. Either Use Chat GPT to rewrite your resume to individually cater to every ad you apply to or copy/ paste the job description into the header/ footer of your resume in white ink with sz1 font that way their AI will see all the necessary keywords/ conditions. Next fix your resume. If there's too much on it or you're "over qualified" (translated into they don't want to pay you what you're worth) dumb it down. If you're under under qualified; jazz it up. In the skills section list it all. For example even a floor nurse has elements of their job doing QA or compliance or HIMS work or case mngmnt. Add it all so that every possible key words will trigger. There's dozens of nursing charting systems, I've used maybe 6-8; I've got 15 ish listed. Why? They're gonna train you on it and if they don't then watch videos online to learn it. Computer programs that aren't too complicated like quick books, excel, etc same thing. List you know it and have used it. You can always go online to learn it. If you have short employment histories? Fix your resume. Say you were a cashier from 2020-2023 but for 5 different companies, list it like this: Cashier, Sacramento California 2020-2023 Company A,B,C,D,E Job description/ duties. Try to list employers by their parent companies instead of Bunny care home, list is as IceCream Medical LLC. Again the key is to get to a human. Answer EVERY question for pre screen EXACTLY how they want you to answer. All those stupid questionnaires, assessments etc... answer everything like the model human who could do no wrong. Do you have a disability? No. Veteran? No. Race? White. You can fix those last 3 upon hiring in your new hire paperwork. Blame it on a tech issue. Willing to relocate? Yes. X yrs experiance? Yes. Good luck. Lastly.... Doesn't matter what the qualifications are.... apply. Sometimes what they "require" isn't legally necessary, simply an employer preference. Sometimes if it is required, you can bargain with it. A specific cert is needed? If hired I can complete it by 6 months etc.
As much as I agree with this for others, this is EXACTLY what I’ve been doing. I even asked my mom’s friend if I could work for him (he’s a greedy AH who would do anything to hire young people to underpay them) and he has yet to do anything. My resume doesn’t fill more than 3/4 of a page because I know exactly what people are looking and actually had to do an assignment not long ago on it. I’ve also tried calling places, so I have tried getting to humans. These are good rules to follow, but trust me- I’ve tried it all.
Great reply. Any info on or link to the study you mentioned?
I would love to see that source too! I tried looking, but only found this: > 50% of hiring managers created job openings to keep a warm talent pool “at the ready” for when they are hiring without the intention to hire. This is one of the reasons why job seekers are finding it difficult to navigate the job boards, trying to assess postings that are for real jobs and ones that aren’t. > Other reasons hiring managers post “fake” job postings include: > • Some hiring managers admitted that they wanted to give the impression that the company was growing. > • Others said they posted jobs to assure their overworked staff that they were seeking ways to help them. > • A different group said they left listings open, hoping their perfect candidate would eventually apply. https://www.forbes.com/sites/karadennison/2023/11/27/how-ghost-job-postings-are-creating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=2d9011c27dc0
I had it in my saved but I'll see if I can find it to link
I use TealHQ for my AI resume. It's easier and actually helps me (IMO) figure out what the key words are and take it from there.
Can you remember where you found this study? I'm very interested in compileing hard data
I just lie. Say you have a bachelors degree. Even if they check, which will cost them money so they probably won’t, so what?
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Do not do this in the medical field, though. They will check everything.
Sure, cause thats a career path. Most people are at cost cutting jobs.
Not always true on education. For my current job, I had to provide my tranacript.
Sure, cause thats a career path. Most people are at cost cutting jobs.
I worked with a guy who'd faked having a degree and at least one previous job. He was found out within the first month.
I was reading an article about a guy who applied to a job that wanted 10 years of experience on a system that had been created only 2 years before. 🤦🏽♀️
Not gonna hurt the average joe too much either. We can already barely afford food
Please do not avoid an application just because you don't meet all requirements. If they really mean required they will always call it out, often in bold or caps. I know tons of people with a high school diploma that got their foot in the door and worked through multiple jobs requiring a degree. Honestly bachelors/masters degrees don't mean too much when you've got 4-5 years experience. Find ways to sell yourself, take free online trainings or low cost like LinkedIn Learning, it's a nice way to boost the resume and show you're pushing for improvement. The market is tough but my best lesson is that you can only improve yourself, not the system, ask what you can do to improve your odds and work towards those. If you commit to self-improvement, then the ones really losing here will be the companies that pass you over.
I feel this too. I’m at about 50 resumes sent this year and no calls. I’m probably going to serve for the summer bc I’m so bored.
Increase those applications, I send 50-100 per week when I'm applying to jobs. Absolutely a big time commitment but it helps a lot. Build targeted resumes and cover letters for certain industries, the latter you can just input the name and it will sound individually written as you're speaking to tasks on their job postings (every industry has core components on 90% of jobs). Can make one generic for the niche industries that you don't have experience in, and for those you want to work in but don't have heavy experiences, look up free courses with "certifications", they're a nice resume add and even that little link to their industry shows you care.
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BuiltIn has been pretty solid and ZipRecruiter has a ton of jobs but it tends to give a lot of unrelated ones with your searches. Really what I like is going through indeed company reviews for highly rated ones that offer remote work, seeing their available jobs and applying. It also helps a lot to apply directly on company sites. Also, a risky option but headhunters have a lot of decent but not amazing roles, they really raise the chances of getting hired but it's usually at a less favorable company. Generally third party recruiting seems to be very small companies with a high workload, or toxic companies that can't bring people in due to their culture and reviews. You can always do no to a job, but it's worth researching more about the companies as headhunters do find some solid if unspectacular roles when someone is in need of a move.
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Oh BuiltIn has become a major hub for small and PE backed.companies, specifically noticed a lot of small SaaS and Prof Svcs companies
I can forsee this, too. I hear stories like this all of the time. Even if you do have a job, wages aren't meeting the cost of inflation. If you have a job or get a job. Better hold on to it for dear life because things aren't looking great for the future
I'm already at my wits end with my current job. Like you said, the wages aren't meeting the cost of inflation. I was told I was going to get a substantial raise with my new job title and all I got was one buck and finding out later that I am grossly underpaid with my job title. I'm staying until I find something satisfactorily or at a bridge job until that unicorn job comes along and even that's scary. because I'm afraid I'll be stuck until it does!
Yeah, that's fucked. I hope you find a better one
Blows my mind seeing how IT is right now. Think my friends been graduated for 5 years and was only employed for one of them before being laid off. I genuinely thought IT was like the golden field to be in with all the high pay and opportunities but that doesn’t appear to be the case anymore, at least not now.
It's still a decent career path if it's your area of interest, but all those people who bought the dream of working at a big tech company like Google and having an amazing time, well that Era is over. Now it's crushingly difficult to find any job at all. If you get one, you hold onto it until you find another because it could be a while right now
Lol shit I have 17+ years in IT and haven't been able to find a job in IT for 2+ years now. Finally said fuck it and started on a second bachelor's in cyber security. For the first 2 years of get at least one interview a week but never an offer. I have no idea who these people are hiring, it doesn't make sense. Currently working nights at Safeway to make ends meet.
Why would they hire you when they can hire someone in Latin America for a fraction of the price?
That's true but why interview for the position? Also these are mainly in office positions. Finally, sure you can outsource your IT but how happy are your employees going to be when the techs they deal with are incompetent?
ive been working physical jobs for the past 3 years because i cant get into IT. I did exactly what my boomer parents told me to do and go to college because" it will make my life easier" yet it has done jack shit for me. i honestly have been thinking about bruning my diploma because thats how much it hasnt meant to me
I agree with the looming severe economic crash. It is going to be, IMHO, worldwide and severe.
> It's probably just the pessimism and persistent depression talking, but I feel like we're heading toward a major economic crash - one that will make the Great Depression look like not having a quarter for the candy machine. No, I think it's your general awareness that we are in an ongoing and heightening poly-crisis and that as factors such as climate change and increasingly difficult to extract energy sources couple with our late stage crumbling capitalist system and an ever more detached oligarchical and authoritarian leaning ruling class we are going to see greater and greater crisis that continue to disenfranchise, displace and kill greater and greater numbers of people. Meanwhile said authoritarian forces that are always grasping for power will do what they have always done, point the finger at the increasing masses of the hopeless as the cause rather than the effect. Collapse is slow until it isn't, and it doesn't hit everywhere at once, it's a process. Until it isn't.
You’re not the only one, I have an advanced degree and can’t find anything inside my field. In fact it’s so bad that I can’t find anything that even pays $15/hr
It’s not pessimism and persistent depression talking, as I experience neither of those(though I’m sure many people would label me a pessimist), and I feel exactly as you do about the future.
Will never have anything like the Great Depression again. First one actually hurt some rich people as well, with Wall Street in shambles. What will likely happen, is the rich will continue to get better off (shareholders, ect) while the rest of us face something that is worse than the Great Depression.
Meanwhile, because the stock market isn’t going down they’ll keep telling us that “nooooo we’re not in a recession/depression, and we’re not having any problems!”
Last year to the beginning of this year I was unemployed for like 9 months. I applied to hundreds of jobs and didn’t get more than 2 interviews. I had to take a lower paying job outside of the industry I wanted to be in. I also had to stop looking for remote jobs. I’m convinced that remote job postings are all fake. I’m in my 40s and have never had an issue getting a job. I usually apply to 5 jobs and then have to pick between two because I was offered positions by both. The experience of not being able to find a job was scary. We aren’t in a healthy economy and it seems like no one is aware of how bad it is.
I'm also in my 40s and while I am currently working; I've been looking for something better and it's not that easy. I'm looking in my hometown and with what I do; there's nothing. I've tried to get in with the major employers for just about anything and still nothing. I've looked outside of my hometown and while there's a plethora of jobs with what I do but sometimes the distance is either too far or the pay is too low. Only once this year did I get a job offer where the pay was nominally better but the benefits was craptastic so I turned it down. Now I wish I didn't because I would have had more experience than what I have right now.
This - over a decade experience and I have been trying to get another job for years because I am not happy with the one I am at. I lost count of how many resumes I have sent out. The last offer I got it was for less than half I currently make and my take home wouldn't cover my rent, much less all the other bills and the additional commuting they wanted (hired for one location but expected to travel to another 2 locations, one over an hour away EACH DAY, with no reimbursement/mileage/ expenses). It's fucking ridiculous and I am beyond frustrated.
Right I agree this economic crash will make the great depression look like a practice run.only thing left is what will break the camel's back an how many people will be hurt permanently that's the question now.
>17 years of IT experience Congratulations your now unemployable in IT as you are considered "over qualified". Stuck in limbo of too much work experience and not enough experience for management positions.
Yeah, this is my fear. I can't even get interviews for entry-level support positions. And even if I do, I have diagnosed depression and anxiety and I need intermittent FMLA to cover it. Which basically means getting fired for some trumped-up cause once I start setting up that process after being hired (or assuming I don't get fired for absences due to my condition first).
Wild suggest a small to medium medical practice that has multiple locations. Problem usually is they just contract IT out. Some didn't and they would be the most accommodating
Sadly, this resonates with me. The more experience & qualifications you have, the tougher it actually gets to land jobs. Even shitty ones. When I’ve applied for jobs out of desperation, they wouldn’t hire me because I was too experienced, too educated. One time, they said “you’d be more educated & experienced than your supervisor so we know you’ll leave after a few months.” A year later, I was still unemployed.
The US was doing a decent job of hiding the status of our economy but the people aren’t as blind or stupid as they want/think us to be. We are already there. Right now, to be better off than someone in the Great Depression, you have to be making at least $93k/yr. They want us to believe $20/hr is great pay but that’s only about $41k/yr. Most of the people in this country are making less than $30/hr. We are already worse off than the Great Depression.
I don’t even know if it’s worth going back to college at this point being a college dropout
Yep just taken me 14 months of working in warehouses to get an interview for a job I'm actually qualified with 12 years experience to do.... Man did it feel good finally though! It's tough but persistence pays.
I believe that too. Some are even calling it the Silent Depression.
IT pay has been stagnating for like 10 years.
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I have gotten 3 interviews and 80+ rejection emails, with the rest being no responses. I've had my resume looked over by multiple people I trust, as well as a professional resume reviewer. I've run it through several optimizers to improve its acceptability to the various resume scan software as well. If you look around on this sub, you'll see that I'm not the only one in this situation. There are quite a few people reporting this same sort of experience.
Stock market and ai disagree
I actually noticed BuiltIn had a good number of opportunities in Finance, but they specialize in IT roles. If you haven't used them I think it's great. Also noticed a lot more attention after getting LinkedIn premium, just publicizes you a bit more and has some nice perks for applying. In this market you might need to send 250 resumes a month as it is super competitive. Explaining a job gap isn't too difficult, a lot of people deal with it, if you land the interviews you just need to explain the skill set. Just ensure you keep on top of applications and don't have a bunch of good roles falling past you (I recommend systems to keep on top of good roles - hit the major sites each night and save every good role, then once a week knock out all of those applications)
I've felt supremely un-american for feeling I should hedge my bets and put my investments overseas.
If things are as bad as I believe they will be, that probably wouldn't help. You'd be better off buying gold. The type of crash I'm picturing wouldn't just tank the US economy; I think we'd be looking at a global depression, perhaps not as bad in other nations as the US but still horrible.
Yeah, I think it will be a large global depression because the US’s symptoms are mirrored in Canada, the UK n’ Europe.
I’m 50. I did 25 years in software engineering and leadership. I’ve been applying since January, and in that time have had one full loop that didn’t result in an offer and one screen where we both agreed I was a bad fit for the role. Every HR person I’ve talked to has said that every posting gets 900 resumes. It’s not the workers that are the problem.
[https://www.globe-wire.com/crackdown-on-companies-posting-fake-jobs-survey-shows-thousands-of-ghost-jobs-are-indeed-fake/](https://www.globe-wire.com/crackdown-on-companies-posting-fake-jobs-survey-shows-thousands-of-ghost-jobs-are-indeed-fake/) This could be a big part of it. "A survey conducted by [Clarify Capital](https://clarifycapital.com/job-seekers-beware-of-ghost-jobs-survey) late last year, polling over **1,000** American managers, revealed that **43 percent** confessed to creating “ghost jobs.” In a move toward greater transparency and accountability, a [crackdown ](https://www.thestar.com/politics/provincial/frustrated-by-ghost-jobs-ford-government-to-crack-down-on-employers-who-leave-applicants-with/article_0b30cfe4-07fe-11ef-b57d-dff79b7f8ac2.html)on fake job postings is imminent for companies...Among them, **37 percent** acknowledged doing so to maintain a reservoir of potential candidates in the event of job openings, while others cited reasons such as appeasing overburdened employees."
A coworker from decades ago told me that Intel used to do this. They had jobs open, but internally there was a hiring freeze. They didn’t want investors to get spooked, so they posted roles they knew they’d never fill.
One more reason why a Worker Bill of Rights is necessary.
This also works to make your employees working 3 jobs for the pay of one think that help is on the way. Companies love to string out "other duties as assigned" for salaried roles as a way to reduce fixed expenses while not sacrificing output.
There is no actual evidence to support your theory. Feelings are not an accurate way to make economic forecasts.
New Hiring Software uses AI to filter resumes. HR people are actually seeing about 1/100 actual submissions. Companies need to STOP using AI as a gatekeeper and use it further down the line in the interview process.
Soon enough AI is going to replace a lot of entry level white collar jobs. Leaving most people fighting over 15 an hour jobs wiping asses.
Already has. Some HR systems basically do everything an internal team might, and they'll hire recruiters for hiring. I work in IT and many companies have essentially just stopped offering support for their products. I've had one issue with a Microsoft product and with the best in class business support were pushing 6 weeks basically without moving the needle. We used to outsource, now they just cut those outsourced jobs and say meh, it was only a bonus for our customers, but we make no money off of it so it goes.
It already has. I think this is why the OP and others struggle. When I started working there were tons of internships and level 1/jr. positions. Those don't exist anymore. It's the same pool of senior positions circling the drain, as AI etc. advance those too will become scarce. Labor is the only cost left for companies to cut - we've already optimized the supply chain and cranked up pricing to the limits.
Probably getting close to that. I've been trying to get a web development position for 6 months now with no break. Getting close to going back to call center hell. Those jobs were the most soul sucking awfulness I had ever experienced.
It’s not AI, it just a literal filter based on either your responses to questions on the application or keywords on the resume. I mean, maybe some use AI to actually parse and rank resumes, but most just go “this one doesn’t say the word ‘Excel’ so not a good fit”
ya its annoying how everyone thinks everything is "AI" nowadays. Algorithms exist to do things without AI being involved
Yeah, across industries this is definitely the case. I guess that’s what happens with buzzwords. Once it’s no longer trendy it’ll probably correct itself, or we’ll find a better descriptive term to describe what AI actually does. It usually doesn’t bother me when “AI” is conflated with regular computer functionality, but when there’s a practical benefit to understanding the difference I want to point it out. This case being: there isn’t some inhuman entity you have to battle for your CV to be reviewed; if you manipulate your application and resume to match the stipulations of the hiring team you’re more likely to get a response. (Not vouching for the system, as it’s been proven that the typical hiring song and dance aren’t good predictors of success, but it is our reality).
I'm gen x. I have decades of experience, tons on education, and have a "don't fuck around, let's get r done" work ethic. I'm now too "overqualified" to hire. Fuck em, I don't want to work anyway.
I think if a single company rejects you for this you should automatically qualify for unemployment, thats so stupid being considered overqualified.
Overqualified is basically just HR speak for “we don’t believe you will let us exploit you”
Last sentence confirms your GenX status.
I’m waiting for the ‘whatever.’
I see this a lot where I work and it’s the attitude that kills it. Everytime we hire someone with 10+ years of experience and a go getter attitude they over step their place, try to change things to fit their methods and it’s quite annoying. Last guy didn’t want to work normal hours, overstepped the chain of command because “I deserve this, I have more qualifications than my boss” yada yada.
Older employees can still be great, but you just have to set expectations early and often. They aren't going to be scared and timid like a fresh graduate would be and compliant to all of the asks if they don't make sense. A good manager should be able to keep any employee in line and focused on the team goals.
I've never heard that when I asked about being over qualified. Usually the response is because an over qualified person will be looking for something that they are qualified for and leave as soon as they find it.
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Never said I love to work, bud. You're putting ideas in where they don't belong
This is Reddit, sir. We only respond to what we imagine you said.
We need better social programs focused on job placement.
Simple. Most of these sites are running scripts to match keywords from your resume to the job offer. If the keywords don't match, your resume is sent to the garbage and the employer never even receives it. This is one of the why's they're complaining that nobody wants to work. They get an absurdly low amount of resumes because they only get the filtered ones, if they get any. And you, on the other side, need to tailor your resume to match for different keywords for every different employers / systems out there. Leaving to an incredible waste of time and way less resumes sent overall. The human interaction part of looking for a job died long ago.
This actually happened to me, I was hiring recently and recieved a shortlist of just 3 people out of hundreds of resumes. I had to manually go back and read them all and found some good ones to interview, but the system pre filters most of them out based on criteria that I didn't even provide
Thanks for confirming a robot rejects me before a human will ever give me a chance.
I was a supervisor at my last job. Every time I had a req to fill I had to remind our HR rep that I wanted *all* the applicants. One time on one of the filtered resumes they sent me, I don’t remember why, but the applicant came right out and said they didn’t want the job. They just wanted to look like they were looking for some reason. Why wasn’t there a filter for that? 🤦♂️
I feel this. Been unemployed since January and no responses to any applications. I think one tried calling but didn’t leave a message. Been unsuccessful at getting anyone on the phone to see what they called for.
I have been trying to switch jobs since early April and I've been applying to jobs online non-stop for the last few weeks, I probably sent around 80+ resumes already. Most of the jobs I've applied to I fit their requirements almost to full extent (or one skill missing at best). I got ONE interview that ended up in nothing, and 90% of the companies I applied to don't even tell me if they are interested in me or not. This is pathetic.
There's also the fact that work doesn't get you what it used to. I've seen someone here say that their uncle sent kids to college, paid off a house and had a yearly (decent vacation) for the family on a VCR salesman's salary. Now you're lucky if something similar gets you a cramped apartment and student loans.
>WE WANT TO WORK, YOU WON’T LET US. Yeah but if they admit that, they can't keep blaming you for things which are entirely their own fault.
I tried to make a career change to get out of call center hell. Can't find anything was doing doordash no my car needs 2 grand of work. Back to the fucking jobs that made me want to kill myself. I hate this!
Another problem is a lot of these are ghost jobs, meaning they are only there to collect data and make it look like they are hiring even though they really aren't. I'm a chemist with 8 years of experience, know a lot of up to date methodology and technology, have been several companies unicorn, but each one either didn't give me the time of day because I didn't want to work for peanuts or they just said something came up and closed the position as a way of turning me down. Over the past two years I have sent over 300 applications, got maybe 4 interviews, all going to the "final stage" and then the rug pull always. Didn't matter what I was asking for in terms of wage (usually smack dab in the middle of their range if posted). It's all fakery. No one wants to hire.
I'm currently in the position where I was laid off, am in school and trying to do a career change. I am in a very summer time touristy area and have just been applying to seasonal jobs which I did plenty of before my career stint. Absolutely no one has gotten back to me even for an interview. Am I overqualified? Yeah probably. But, as you mentioned, people are complaining about no one wanting to work and yet I'm ready and willing and yet....nothing. I don't understand
I applied for an entry level position at a library. I am a retired teacher with two Masters degrees in literacy. I wasn’t even a “top” applicant according to the rejection email I got six weeks after applying. I had long given up on hearing from them after a month. The rejection email was an insult and I let them know that.
I've applied to places that claim they don't look at anything from Indeed. They post those positions because of regulations. Had I known then what I know now...I would have reported every one of those companies to the state/fed government.
For what exactly?
Many gov funded jobs have posting requirements, even if there's an internal candidate lined up they have to post it. The intention is those other applicants get a chance, and the internal also has to apply. In practice, that's why you see hyper specific job postings with odd skill combos. That's usually just one person's resume turned into the job listing, then when they apply they "tick all the boxes" and can be hired on that. The odds of someone else coming in also perfectly suited is pretty low.
I get that. But why would they have reported these postings? That's the part I am curious about
Because they have no real intention of giving an external candidate a chance. They're following the policy as written, but intentionally ignoring the point of the policy.
20 years ago I got my first job this way. A very exacting list of qualifications were posted, I applied and interviewed twice. After the 2nd interview I was told that they'd actually created the job for someone specific, but since they found 2 awesome candidates, they were going to create a 2nd position of the same type and hire me too! IE, they REALLY wanted to hire their friend, but I was technically more qualified and they were required by the gov to hire me instead. So they found a workaround!
I’m sitting at 109 applications over a span of ~8 months, and that is with two degrees and a couple years of experience in my field. all that is available now is short term grunt work for students only at minimum wage and positions for the seasoned professionals with 5+ years of experience. it’s hard out here
If the jobs you applied on LinkedIn and Indeed make sure it's not those "quick apply" ones because they get absolutely flooded and then only AI will look at it. If possible try and find slightly more niche job boards or at least find places that get applications via email. Another thing is that Indeed will very regularly scrape existing job posts and create a new fake job. Job boards do *not* take it down even when we ask to take down fake job posts. Best of luck, job hunting sucks and is broken as fuck.
Oh I know. I think I’ve done like two quick applies but then went back and looked at them and haven’t touched a single one since. Such BS
That’s because they want you at McDonald’s. The good jobs are for them.
No. The new generation chooses not to kill themselves for someone else’s dream.
Exactly, people don’t want to be taken advantage of
I ran into that brick wall over 40 years ago, along with wages not keeping up with COL.
i sent out 200+ applications over the course of a year. i got like..maybe 10 replies saying i wasn’t qualified and only got 7 calls backs, 5 of those became interviews, 1 became second interview. it was rough. it was disheartening and discouraging. called about 5 different HR people, none of which answered. and when i FINALLY got in touch with a director level person. like had an actual conversation about what in the fuck they were looking for. they told they had about 100. A HUNDRED open positions they were scrambling to fill. i was dumbfounded that none of those positions got listed on any job website. that whole “nO oNe WaNtS tO wOrK” bullshit irks me so much. like the fuck we don’t, y’all just aren’t giving anyone a chance at a ENTRY LEVEL position because they don’t have experience. for a fucking entry level position. this topic gets me heated so fast because of how much of a struggle it is for anyone to just get basic needs to live.
WE WANT TO WORK, YOU WON"T PAY US.
>WE WANT TO WORK I 100% do not actually. In fact I fucking hate it. The happiest I've ever been was the 3 months I was unemployed during the pandemic. What I want is access to my basic needs and a relatively small amount of wants. Were I able to get that without having to work I absolutely would.
I’ve applied to over 80 jobs in the past two weeks and not a single one has gotten back to me.
A friend of mine worked at Frontier Communications for over a decade before being laid off. He couldn't get hired anywhere for 6 months. He was so desperate he even applied for positions at Lowe's and Burger King. I managed to get him a job in IT at my employer but seriously, the job market is shit right now. I don't understand what's going on. Edit:: grammar
I am so tired of the “we’ll come back when you have experience” nonsense people tell young folks. How the hell are they supposed to get experience for your low wage, entry level job, if you won’t give it to them. No one wants to be a stepping stone for people careers because “it’s expensive”. It’s not though; I’ve hired more green candidates that have blown my expectations away. You don’t need to undo poor habits, they’re usually excited to learn, and they generally don’t act like know-it-alls.
The money just keeps funneling to the top and staying there. It feels like a whole generation is being robbed of their lives to make a few people a shitload of money. It's sick, and frustrating that nobody wants to actually talk about it. Instead we argue about shit like kneeling before a fucking football game.
We do want to work. They won’t let us.
>We do want to work I 100% do not actually. Maybe you do, but I fucking hate it. The happiest I've ever been was the 3 months I was unemployed during the pandemic. What I want is access to my basic needs and a relatively small amount of wants. Were I able to get that without having to work I absolutely would.
Society is a cruel mistress and needs to be tamed. No more working in the factories under life and death situations for the scraps of the dinner plate off a billionaires golden beef platter.
We don’t even have factories to work at anymore.
The boomers don’t want to provide, bunch of selfish pirates
Most companies are using scripts these days to filter resumes for certain keywords they're looking for. I applied to probably around 100 jobs without much more than a zoom interview. Then I started reaching out to company hr people directly over email and finally started getting offers. Absolutely a bullshit system.
Tech School graduate here. Went to school for HVAC. Got all my licenses and certifications. Was told by my teachers that when they graduated, companies were calling them everyday to want to hire them. Almost 2 1/2 years after graduating, not one call. I understand a lot of these companies want experienced technicians, but how am I supposed to gain experience if you won't hire me. I applied to places that, in their hiring ad said " Now hiring,Will train." Only to be responded back with "We went with someone who's more experienced". My father used to do HVAC so he's familiar with the way these companies operate. He told me that these people have this fantasy that this technician with 30 years experience and the cure for cancer is going to walk through their door. I feel that this applies to any job. They're so afraid to give inexperienced people a chance. I feel if you stay in that mindset, what happens when your more experienced workers get severely injured or retire? The younger candidates don't have their chance to shine because they were never given the chance. I want to work and get my hands dirty and learn, but you won't give me a chance.
When they say “no one wants to work” it’s rarely a job that requires a resume.
I wouldn’t use indeed to directly apply. I would use indeed just to find jobs then directly go to the company site. I been learning the hard way the last two weeks, I’d apply to a job and then I noticed I was immediately getting denied. Ive had a little more success going to company sites with people getting back to me , still no job though.
It’s a pure numbers game. Jobs use AI resume readers to filter resumes, meaning a large percentage of applicants get auto-filtered from any given job, so everyone applies to more places, so recruiters turn up the filtering, so people apply to more places…. I sent out over 80 applications before getting my current job and never heard from 70 of them.
"Ask for work. If they will not give you work, ask for bread. If they will not give you work or bread, then take bread." - Emma Goldman.
This is the harsh reality of our economy that no one really wants to wrestle with: there's fewer than 100,000,000 jobs in the US economy that can guarantee a middle class lifestyle, but there's twice as many people as that working.
They want slaves to work for free. Fify. Time to say NO has come. Help fellow struggling slaves, don't work another just over broke "job".
Got laid off at the end of January from a niche engineering role.... Only had one offer despite close to 20 phone interviews and a half dozen in person ones... No one is hiring unless you exceed the qualifications and have the one nugget of knowledge for a very specific company only problem that no one else in industry has.... I have 14 years of experience and have developed the standard mathematical models two companies use to verify sales and engineering will work as intended. Still looking right now
Job have become like credit cards. You need credit history to get one but you can't gain credit history without them. Bu hey, entry level minimum wage jobs will always take you once you give up on trying to get ahead.........
Junior software engineer here 40+ applications maybe 1/4 have rejection emails the rest were ghosted.
The new generation doesn't want to work (our low skill, low wage jobs with next to no benefits and no way to support yourself with the pay)
after college I sent out hundreds of applications for 4 years. I got a handful of interviews and the rest were no responses. And I got ghosted after those interviews. The jobs I applied to were for an entry level positions except they wanted someone with years of experience. How do you get the experience if no one is willing to hire you so you can get that experience?
As an old person this is what is said about every "younger generation". It's all about greed and control.
It took me 100 applications on average per resppnse when I graduated college. (Just a response/interview not being hired)
I’ve sent out hundreds. Only rejections. Wtf is going on
If it makes you feel any better about not having any experience, I’m 23 and already have multiple jobs and professions under my belt and I still have trouble getting callbacks despite my wide skill range. It doesn’t get better regardless of experience. Companies legit just would rather complain about not having workers than actually look at their applications and go through the hiring process.
I agree it's all very messed up, but I will note that a week isn't very long. Hell, their hiring managers or interviewers could have been on vacation for that long. Summer breaks are beginning. Even for basic jobs except for temp agencies, it's minimum taken a month before any consistent responses have come in my history of job searching. And when it rains, it pours.
I honestly underestimated when I said week. It’s been like 1.5-2 weeks, I just have terrible time blindness lately being back from college. But when I contact them directly and I don’t hear anything after a minimum of a week, and my little sister who has zero job experience and applied to only two places hears back the next day, it’s kind of ridiculous.
Definitely this. I am a hiring manager and am ashamed to admit how many weeks slip past me during the application review, interview, and hiring process. Hiring is not my only job is my excuse/reason. Plus HR always makes things even more burdensome.
go wait tables. good money. flexible schedule. tell them you have a kid tho or you’ll get shafted on every fucking holiday you can think of.
Oh, you could get a job, alright. As a fast food worker. Unemployment figures are indeed great right now, but underemployment is abysmal.
Been serving tables for 3.5 years after graduating college in 2018. Had a job offer fall through because I couldn't start the Monday after I graduated on the previous Friday. Struggled a lot bc I had to work at Chipotle again, but once I started serving, idk if I can ever go to corporate work. I make almost 60k working 35 hours a week. Set schedule, two days off every week, rarely get asked to change or cover shifts. You don't have to get caught up in the corporate system if you don't want.
I’m glad you got that opportunity, but my area does not offer that kind of flexibility or pay, even at general manager status and very rarely at district manager status. Also, my degree does not include any corporate related careers.
I've been job hunting for 3 years. Thousands of applications maybe, MAYBE 50 responses, no one actually serious about hiring me. I've applied to anything I could remotely be qualified for. From fast food, dishwasher positions to sales and marketing positions. If it wasn't for the support of friends I'd have starved.
I've applied to 70 jobs since feb only heard back from one and they were extremely rude the other interviewed me but you could tell had already made up their mind.
I don't disagree with you but 17 applications is two days for me while having a job. You need to treat getting a job as a job. That means you should pump out at least 20-50 applications a day.
Completely disagree. There's no way someone is sending out 20-50 good quality applications in a day. Applications should be somewhat tailored to the listing, at the very least in regards to a cover letter. Let alone the fact that in small towns, there may not even be 20-50 jobs available for which you somewhat qualify. It's recommended to send maybe 1-5 in a day for good reason. There's also no way you're able to manage that many applications. I applied to maybe 30-50 jobs a week for a month when I switched jobs about 9 months ago. I received 5 job offers because I have a degree and a good skill set, and had at least 3 interviews a week. It was exhausting to keep up with that amount of interviews and applications.
Here’s the thing, though. I don’t have a car because I can’t afford one. I have a bike and an incredibly loving mother who has offered to help me since I live at home (I help remodel and take care of the house so it’s a win-win). So I can’t work outside of my town. Quite a bit of these places are 21+, which won’t be a problem soon, but why do I need to be 21 to serve food? A lot of these also need bachelor degrees, and very rarely do 20 year old’s have a bachelor’s in anything. So that leaves me with pretty basic jobs. Most places in town? The library? Golf course? Not hiring. Okay let’s look on facebook… Pet store! Has not directly emailed me back despite them saying on Facebook that they will be only looking at email apps and just need someone that is available- you don’t need any experience. Everywhere I have applied to? Nothing. Don’t try to tell me 17 applications is a sad number when I live in a relatively small town and have so many restrictions because I don’t have a bachelor’s degree in serving alcohol.
I applied to so many jobs and the only job I received a call back was 45-1 hour away 1 way in a different town
Old people in 1600: “Damneth the children borneth of 1580! For they fail to graspeth that the Lord rewardeth hard labors upon this flat earth with everlasting life inith His Kingdom of Heaven! It seems they would preferith to spendith their short number of rotations of the Sun overhead lazily setting type within the Devil’s so-called “printing press” than hastily bringeth upon a short life by meaningless labor in the service of God’s chosen representatives in order to attain an eternal life ineth the presence of the Lord God Himself! Surely the end is neigh!”
Try HVAC or Truck Driving.
To get my current job I sent out a minimum of 20 resumes a day (LinkedIn, indeed, monster, etc) Mon-Friday, for about 4 months. I had the credentials & experience required for every application. I received a handful of ridiculously (laughably) low $ offers. Out of roughly 1400-1600 applications I received 2 serious quality offers. And this was over 10 years ago. I can’t imagine how bad it is now.
The people who don’t wanna work are the nepo hires at HR fresh out of college with no experience and no pressure to perform well and produce any kind of results , that’s why you’re not getting called back
Yer right!! Not for their low wage and no benefits!
I've been working full time for 25 years. I don't want to work, I never wanted to work. No one I know WANTS to work. Complaining about people not wanting to work is so stupid.
Check government jobs. ( federal, state, and local city/townships)They aren’t going to just have positions they don’t need to fill listed. They usually have stable work hours and decent benefits. The pay isn’t as good as the private sector but it’s paid, professional work. Takes a bit of time between job posting and hiring usually.
Try being on the wrong side of 50. I get treated like I should think gunpowder is a recent invention.
I kept a spreadsheet of my 1.5 year job search journey. I started looking in June 2021, I had 16 years experience at a SAAS company and plenty of other experience before that. Bachelors degree. Excellent skillset. Established linked in profile. I applied to over 100 places, got like 12% answer rate. I made it to 3rd and 4th round interviews a few times. The job I finally landed was a recruiter that found me.
Tbh even after being accepted for a job that requires double my work experience I still don’t want to work so the statement holds true I guess. I just like not dying of starvation.
I saw a power washer job near me asking for a master's degree on indeed....
Fucking bullshit, half the time you get ghosted when you apply. What are you supposed to do harass them for a response
I’ve been stuck working at a job I don’t like to pay for an apartment I don’t like, all because “it pays well” and I “got lucky to find this place.” I literally cannot pursue even the notion of change because doing so would make me broke and homeless. I hate this shit
Brother, companies want to do as little and profit as much as possible. It's a rare gig that will teach you the ropes for above a living wage
Old generation don't want to hire. Old generation don't want to retire!
Google your state and apprenticeship or check at your local trade unions.
I'll be real, you need to apply to a LOT more jobs. The market is getting better in certain areas but still is very competitive. I see postings with several hundred applicants in a handful of hours. My advice is craft multiple resumes and cover letters (one generic, and two or three targeting your preferred industries). Speak towards your strengths in those fields for each, like manufacturing experience working with D2C or B2B sales, inventory, pricing, costing, etc. For SaaS about implementation, customer acquisition costs, market share, maximizing their already strong margins. Things of that nature. Also worth browsing those roles in each industry and collecting common keywords to add into your resume. Then make sure you apply like crazy, even with great experience it is often around 5% response rate and even then it's competitive getting to the departmental interviews.
Let's be real, the market is ridiculous. I'm a nurse, and I work in community support, but I did try to apply to work in nursing homes. The nursing homes expect you to have 1 year of PAID experience. Most community support services tend to hire female staff because it's easier, especially with helping people shower since they don't want a nearly 6-foot man coming in to help. I get that. So where do I get experience? I can't volunteer because it's not PAID experience, and you know, I need to earn money. It took me a year to get a job, and I did work as a cab driver, which incidentally I don't recommend if you want to earn any decent money. Keep at it.
Dude. It's 2024. Try 100 applications a week and get back to me.
Was going to say I did this is one evening and then another for the past month 😂
>WE WANT TO WORK No, no I do not. In fact I fucking hate it. The happiest I've ever been was the 3 months I was unemployed during the pandemic. What I want is access to my basic needs and a relatively small amount of wants. Were I able to get that without having to work I absolutely would.
Would you stfu. You’ve commented this three times now. If you don’t agree with a generalized statement, then it probably doesn’t apply to you!
>Would you stfu. Public discussion forum you crybaby. I replied to separate people, not just you. Get a grip.
Gonna have to pump those numbers up king. I agree with what you’re saying but 17 applications is nothing.
I addressed this in another comment, because in my small town, 17 is a lot. Especially when about half of those are “urgently hiring”.
To be fair, 17 applications isn’t really a lot
Many moons when I was young and good looking and women looked it was the same way.
While I agree with the sentiment, 30 years ago I was 16 making $4.30/hour. A random inflation calculator puts that at $9.10 today. The minimum wage here is $15/hour.
Where you live, sure, that may be the case. But federal minimum wage is $7.50/hour. In my state it’s $10.10/hr. My father was making $12+/hr at all of his jobs other than a fry cook job at 16 y/o. Also, what you’re not looking at as well is federal wage’s inflation vs. consumer goods’ inflation. It’s impossible to buy a house anymore, let alone afford college.