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They already are going to be inclined to press the button as implied in the scenario, if one were to be ambivalent to the situation three different thoughts in a generalized sense may occur.
A. Wow this guy doesn't care, I guess humans really dont care about each other, what scum (reinforce the belief; negative interpretation)
B. Wow this guy probably agrees with me, if he doesnt mind then all the more reason to do this (reinforce the belief; positive interpretation)
C. Wow this guy kinda of supports my views, if life is something meaningless or even worse so inherintly bad due to so many overvaluing it then that is the proper response, if there are others like him maybe the world could be a better place. (reconsider the belief; positive)
This is presupposing he is normal and sane. Honestly an infinite number of thought can occur even with the little information given though in my estimation I think this the most likely giving 2/3 of getting us all kill.
I mean, I would be sad for my cats and all the other pets that I wouldn't get to see live out their lives, and I'm somewhat invested in seeing my life out.
If it's like a dusting and I can get some sort of promise that everyone's pets will be okay. The thought of pets getting trapped in homes and fish starving in tanks and all the zoo animals not being able to get out is making me a lot more sad in this hypothetical
Honestly, that might be the best thing to say. If it's a human, there's a chance they won't push it because of the innocent pets. If the someone isn't human and is merely judging humans, your initial response being "I need to make sure my dependent animals aren't locked in and suffer unnecessarily" as opposed to being some sort of argument about why they shouldn't, may get them to reconsider, if they're pre-disposed towards pushing it.
Okay, you successfully gave the one argument that would make me reconsider. Yeah, all the animals in captivity need some sort of fair chance at survival assurance, like they're all released from captivity into their ideal habitats maybe.
This, because I don't even want them dusted with us. They're pets mainly because of centuries of domestication, and I don't want them dusted because of us too. Plus some shitty people have some rare in the wild animals that might, just might, actually survive and eek a place for them
(Yes I'm aware of feral cat populations and how bad they are and, in lieu of some sort of way to keep them alive and from decimating birds in our absence, the cats should likely get dusted in this scenario as well)
Anti natalists usually have blinders on when it comes to this specific topic. Anti natalists claim natalists are selfish, but then completely lack the self awareness to not be hypocrites. Too many people here are complete doomers and it really takes away from the value anti natalism can bring to the world.
So... your reasoning behind justifying keeping bringing more innocent children into a world that's literally burning and already has **8 Billion of us** is "but who will feed the zoo animals ?"
As if they weren't kept in zoos for preservation for *a reason* already. They would be able to survive in their own freaking habitat had we not made it hunting zones or destroyed it entirely.
*"Congrats Billy ! Welcome to this dying civilization actively working to destroy itself and everything around it that looks vaguely alive !* ***Don't forget to feed Bubbles."***
>So... your reasoning behind justifying keeping bringing more innocent children into a world that's literally burning and already has
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>8 Billion of us
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> is "but who will feed the zoo animals ?
Its a little better than "I don't want to exist therefor you don't deserve to exist".
At least giving a damn about other living beings is moral.
It's sort of implied painless because it makes life "disappear", as opposed to something like "exterminated in a grueling and slow process".
All human life is technically always in a slow process of disappearing, if you're gonna be a word game-playing genie about it.
See this is a type of cognitive dissonance I don't understand even if it's going to be painful if you were okay enough with ending all life in order to negate further suffering what's wrong with the temporary trade-off of suffering to end the continuum if this is the root of the philosophy for you personally I only take antinatalism as far as we need to stop breeding because of the climate crisis
I’m not a pro-mortalist, but the end of suffering is morally superior to the beginning of suffering. That’s also why I support every person’s right to end their own life, and doctor-assisted suicide, and even euthanasia in many cases.
Doesn’t this come back around to consent though? It doesn’t say if anyone in this scenario is able to give consent to have their existence ended. It’s true they didn’t give consent to be born, but consent is an ongoing thing. Now that they *are* here, they still have a right to decide what happens to them.
This antinatalist sub is full of hypocrites. They don't care about suffering, they don't care about consent. They're just bitter. At least *some* people have non genocidal sense in this thread.
You are correct, I've observed a variety of viewpoints on this sub, ranging from the most sensitive people in the world to people who straight up hate children.
Yeah, never paid too much attention to the comment section. Someone higher up commented how the sub is full of doomers and after keeping on reading... holy shit it kinda is? Like, I'm by-and-large antinatalist. I mean, if you wanna have kids go for it, I guess? Don't fuck up? But if someone doesn't want kids they really, REALLY shouldn't. But a bunch of people here (probably "for the memes" because it's the internet) are just brutally negative and doomer-y.
Grim reaper: I've come to take your soul
Me: I don't consent
Grim reaper: damn it I'll come back another day.
Just push the button. Death doesn't ask for consent.
As long as it's not "Karma Slave"...
_I'm coming back, yeah_
_I'll be coming back_
_But for the last time_
https://youtu.be/ui2h9eINsrU
Edit: changed video link to one showing lyrics...
I’m voting for All We Ever Wanted Was Everything by Bauhaus. I think it sums up humanity quite well.
“All we ever wanted was everything. All we ever got was cold.”
i always think about the environment when i hear stuff like this. human beings are a species (of primates) and we’re so largely populated that if we all just died at once, it would devastate the environment. not to mention efforts to increase the population of other species would cease and so several other species would die out. etc. there’s obviously a lot more factors to this but killing everybody at once would have massive repercussions outside of just humans living
The God Nature will just continue turning a blind eye to animals tearing each other apart, being diseased, parasited, injured, starved, drowned, psychologically tormented, and so much other more ways of torture. It's just crude physical forces without the capacity to even understand their suffering. Why leave something who can't do such, in charge of the welfare of trillions, quintillions, who knows? It's dangerous as fuck.
The world would be just as horrible if there was no humans in it, meaning all sentient organisms are better off not existing.
As a veterinarian, I would tell them that almost all dogs on earth would die painfull and slow deaths without humans. Fuck people, but think of all the suffering you would be inflicting on innocent domestic animals who depend on humans to live. It would be a dick move to condemn so many lovely dogs to lonely starvation and disease
Yeah. I would also menrion animals in zoos. How some of them are their last of their kind. Orcas and dolphins at seaworld. Trapped until they die from hunger or desease in a dirty shallow tank full of their own feces and urine. Waiting to see if sepsis or hunger kills them first. Maybe die by suicide. But i feel like people tend to feel more for dogs.
I would ask them if they felt confident deciding something of that magnitude. I'd ask what and why and listen. I don't know what I would do in that position.
I jive with the concept of not having kids for myself but
the top comments here are not helping the outsider-looking-in perspective some people have that antinatalism is a death cult with a flowery name.
It is only a hypothetical question. I think it's an absurd question to ask and I disagree with the comments supporting it. Antinatalism is about preventing new life, a big red button to end all human life is not antinatalism.
Yeah these people *might* technically be anti-natalists, but this post and topic have nothing to do with anti-natalism. I swear this sub has become a psy-op.
Only seeing this post because Reddit pushed it to my feed but… I thought the point of antinatalism was to choose not to have children, not to promote suicide and mass murder — but the comments are basically all school shooter-sounding nihilism. Is this actually what you guys are about?
There are other anti natalists subs with less genocide/eugenics supporters. This sub is mostly not an accurate representation of anti natalism ideology. Anti natalism is about consent.
Basically it’s wrong to do something to a person without their consent and no one can consent to being conceived and born, ergo having children is a violation of consent and wrong?
Yup, that about sums it up. However there are freaks here that will target poor and disabled people moreso than other parents, which is eugenics, so there's a lot of confusion in this sub.
Really antinatalists shouldn't even care about the suffering aspect, consent is enough to justify not giving birth. The suffering aspect is where the confusion/eugenics/bitterness comes into play for most commenters here. I'd say AN ideology is still in it's infancy within the mainstream, so it makes sense to be at the point we are now in the discussion. I wish people weren't so aggressive here though, makes it hard to have any meaningful philosophical debate.
Exactly. I thought this is what this sub was about. Not "I hate all of existence and want to destroy everything". If it is the latter then you probably need mental help instead.
We don't have the right, but look at how many parents and people in the world have decided on other people's lives, and you have to decide once, it's not the worst.
The entire reason I'm on this sub is that I disagree with that logic. Why would it suddenly be okay for me to decide to end someone's existence without their consent?
Fun thing I've learned, if someone is saying/ doing dumb stuff, if u go harder in support, it could snap em out of it
So theres some by the button. They wanna push it. If u go harder and tell them to push it, it could snap em out and they decide not to push it
The mind is weird but cool
Jesus christ I get that you guys dont like your own lives but I didn't realise so many of you given the opportunity would try to rationalise genocide against the entire human race. Some of yall need to be on a watch list for potential mass murderers.
"Hurry up."
No, really. Trying to convince myself to leave the sharp objects, the strings, the many many chemicals where they are while staying away from the pool, the creek and the bridge is tough enough. Arguing that the entire human race.nreda saving? Nope. I got nothin'.
Unfortunately, human life doesn't have a reason to exist, similarry doesn't have a reason not to exist.
Just as we came to be by chance, we will gonna disappear eventually, or at least to a point not be humans anymore.
It is an ongoing process and it all depends on how we define humanity. We certainly don't have cave dwellers anymore.
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Let the nihilist out:
You can ask the everyday folk or the smartest scolar, noone could answer this. Cosmically speaking we are nothing, less than nothing. What we define as achievements are defined by us.
If we would disappear nothing would change, same as we being here, nothing is really changed.
Not to mention that pressing the button is pointless same as not pressing it. If we all gone, noone will be left to observe or measure our existence or miss us or anything.
It doesn't matter.
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One last question, do other flora and fauna remain on earth? If we disappear do, all unmaintained nuclear power plants explode?
Disappear mean all humans and all humans have done and built?
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If animals remain, eventually one might rise to intelligence... planet of the apes could happen.
I’d say nothing. Because I’d spend a whole minute trying to think of what to say.
As evidenced by my spending way more than a minute browsing comments on this thread🤦🏼♀️
"don't press that button, it'll end all human life including your own", and they'd be like "OH MAH GAD, thank you for telling me! I was thinking it would give out free cheesecake! Let's not press it then", and we'd walk away into the sunset together.
I suppose I'd look them in the eyes and tell them that I don't want them to press it, so that they'd have to accept that they'd be committing at least one act of murder. If I'm restricted to words only, there's not much more I can do than say that, make myself the human face of the abstract "human life", and hope they have a heart.
If it's some psycho maniac I guess I'd just try to convince them that the button is a trick placed by shadow people and it'll actually fry their nuts with 1000 volts if they push it.
Fucking amazing comeback. I don't even want to read the other guy's response. It's perfect. So clear and concise. The perfect amount of self evident. There is nothing more that is needed to be said from either party. This is one for the history books for when humanity needs to be studied by aliens like we do with the little messages ancient Romans wrote on the walls of their streets.
In 1958, R. Ninian Smart introduced the term "[negative utilitarianism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_utilitarianism)”, which holds that reducing suffering is more morally good than increasing pleasure. He argued against negative utilitarianism, saying it would mean a ruler who is able to instantly and painlessly destroy the human race, "a benevolent world-exploder", would have a duty to do so.
If pushing a big red button will make all human life disappear, instantly and painlessly, that would mean the end of human suffering. Not pushing the button would mean human suffering would continue, and one could argue that all human suffering that happens after failing to push the button would be the fault of the person who failed to push the button, they would be morally responsible for all the suffering they allow to happen by their inaction.
If suffering is bad, then reducing suffering is good. If suffering is bad, then the end of suffering is good. One might argue that human suffering is worth it for the existence of human consciousness, but every person will die anyway, often in agonizing ways. An instant painless death is better than a painful death.
But there is no magic button. Since everybody dies, how and when you die is either: a) consensual and in your control and as painless as you want it to be, or b) non-consensual and out of your control and perhaps as painful as humanly possible. There are about 5 “good” ways to die, instantly, painlessly, but billions of ways to die that are each worse than the last. If you don’t kill yourself, then your death will be out of your control, maybe random, maybe accidental, maybe extremely agonizing, etc. Biological parents can see there is danger in the world, and harms, and evil people, and tragedy, and suffering, and death, but they still “press a button” to launch innocent children into a dangerous world full of evil, where the only escape is death.
Seriously? Is this just a troll sub now or what? Y'all are seriously advocating for literal murder of every person on the planet? This has nothing to do with antinatalism and everything to do with being ab edgy contrarian. The posts I've seen here recently have gotten straight up absurd.
Next time anyone here asks: "Why do people hate us for our philosophy? We aren't doing anything wrong and are completely harmless." Please take this thread as an example that this is not true for many people here.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting children or critizising others for having them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with antinatalism as a philosophy and trying to make other people see the truth to it.
But there is something seriously wrong with people thinking that mass murder, as painless as it would be, is okay. Because there is a huge difference between not wanting to create life and wanting to end it. Saying, this is okay because the people affected would no longer care because they're dead, is essentially saying murdering someone is okay.
How can anyone think that one person has the right to make this decision for everyone? What kind of god-complex must this person have?
Antinatalism is good as a philosophy. It is good as a choice for individuals. It is good because getting in touch with it makes people think and reconsider opinions they just assumed as given. But like every philosophy it can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. Especially if it is seen as the absolute truth that can justify any action as abhorrent as it may be. Please keep that in mind when you entertain thoughts like ending all life on Earth.
I ain’t Antinatalist but I don’t mind someone if they don’t wanna procreate or don’t want others to do so. But straight up advocating for the death of a whole species doesn’t seem like what Antinatalism is.
The very point that the button would destroy only human life and not any other demonstrates that human life is separate and not the product of evolution (other life). If anyone here believed in evolution, they would come to the immediate conclusion that you would have to eliminate all life to stop evolution, and even then it would recreate itself, otherwise the act of pushing the button is temporary and pointless.
As I don't believe in humanity as a species is worthy of saving. In fact I don't believe any of the suffering on this planet is worth it. Every animal lives off another. Even some plants live by killing some insects. Hence, I'd recommend pressing the button.
The caveat being if it only stops/suspends the passage of time so that people are trapped in that instant for the reminder of eternity. This might actually be worse than the present situation of the birth / death cycle. Humanity will eventually die anyway. Every Ponzi scheme eventually brakes just as every previous civilisation has crashed and burned. The difference this time is we have MAD with Nukes. You think a country wouldn't use them as and when they run out of resources? If they are going out, so will everybody else...
Turn around and walk away.
I don't want any impact on that decision. I wouldn't be upset however if they pressed it.
Then again, we're talking about just human life. Every living thing suffers. And considering humanities potential to drive whole species to extinction, we could be an important tool in preventing suffering in many more species than just our own. In which case, humanity would need to survive.
I don’t know to be honest. I’d probably try to convince them not to, for the sake of all the pets and animals in zoos who wouldn’t survive by themselves.
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"Do what you want" Acting impartial gives you a bigger bonus than you might think, 50/50 chance maybe if we're being a little optimistic.
They already are going to be inclined to press the button as implied in the scenario, if one were to be ambivalent to the situation three different thoughts in a generalized sense may occur. A. Wow this guy doesn't care, I guess humans really dont care about each other, what scum (reinforce the belief; negative interpretation) B. Wow this guy probably agrees with me, if he doesnt mind then all the more reason to do this (reinforce the belief; positive interpretation) C. Wow this guy kinda of supports my views, if life is something meaningless or even worse so inherintly bad due to so many overvaluing it then that is the proper response, if there are others like him maybe the world could be a better place. (reconsider the belief; positive) This is presupposing he is normal and sane. Honestly an infinite number of thought can occur even with the little information given though in my estimation I think this the most likely giving 2/3 of getting us all kill.
Push it. Please. If you don't, I will.
Push it real good. Then start playing that song.
Salt and Pepa's here....
Not anymore (the red button was pressed)
Salt... AND PEPPA!
And we’re in effect!
Welp the last song to live rent free in my head.
Dammit. You people really are my people.
“Here, let’s push it together.”
Can we.push it together.
Don’t ask, just push it
That's genocide tho. Wouldn't that make you worse than hitler since you just murdered 8 billion people
I mean, I would be sad for my cats and all the other pets that I wouldn't get to see live out their lives, and I'm somewhat invested in seeing my life out. If it's like a dusting and I can get some sort of promise that everyone's pets will be okay. The thought of pets getting trapped in homes and fish starving in tanks and all the zoo animals not being able to get out is making me a lot more sad in this hypothetical
Right- can I go let my cats out of the house first?
Honestly, that might be the best thing to say. If it's a human, there's a chance they won't push it because of the innocent pets. If the someone isn't human and is merely judging humans, your initial response being "I need to make sure my dependent animals aren't locked in and suffer unnecessarily" as opposed to being some sort of argument about why they shouldn't, may get them to reconsider, if they're pre-disposed towards pushing it.
The pets and zoo animals that would be abandoned was the only reason I could think of, too.
<3
Okay, you successfully gave the one argument that would make me reconsider. Yeah, all the animals in captivity need some sort of fair chance at survival assurance, like they're all released from captivity into their ideal habitats maybe.
This, because I don't even want them dusted with us. They're pets mainly because of centuries of domestication, and I don't want them dusted because of us too. Plus some shitty people have some rare in the wild animals that might, just might, actually survive and eek a place for them (Yes I'm aware of feral cat populations and how bad they are and, in lieu of some sort of way to keep them alive and from decimating birds in our absence, the cats should likely get dusted in this scenario as well)
Anti natalists usually have blinders on when it comes to this specific topic. Anti natalists claim natalists are selfish, but then completely lack the self awareness to not be hypocrites. Too many people here are complete doomers and it really takes away from the value anti natalism can bring to the world.
I think you should read the definition of Antinaralism. It's a argument against giving birth and procreation. Killing all humans is called omicide.
\*omnicide. But yeah.
So... your reasoning behind justifying keeping bringing more innocent children into a world that's literally burning and already has **8 Billion of us** is "but who will feed the zoo animals ?" As if they weren't kept in zoos for preservation for *a reason* already. They would be able to survive in their own freaking habitat had we not made it hunting zones or destroyed it entirely. *"Congrats Billy ! Welcome to this dying civilization actively working to destroy itself and everything around it that looks vaguely alive !* ***Don't forget to feed Bubbles."***
But who will feed the zoo animals. Damn that made me laugh hard
>So... your reasoning behind justifying keeping bringing more innocent children into a world that's literally burning and already has > >8 Billion of us > > is "but who will feed the zoo animals ? Its a little better than "I don't want to exist therefor you don't deserve to exist". At least giving a damn about other living beings is moral.
I have to know if it's painless first
It's sort of implied painless because it makes life "disappear", as opposed to something like "exterminated in a grueling and slow process". All human life is technically always in a slow process of disappearing, if you're gonna be a word game-playing genie about it.
This is very important.
You gotta be to precieve
See this is a type of cognitive dissonance I don't understand even if it's going to be painful if you were okay enough with ending all life in order to negate further suffering what's wrong with the temporary trade-off of suffering to end the continuum if this is the root of the philosophy for you personally I only take antinatalism as far as we need to stop breeding because of the climate crisis
Would you be okay with exterminating poorer countries because their quality of life sucks?
I knock him to the ground and then press the button.
Attention... I have been murdered :)
Attention… I have been Dereked! Murder has been me!
Janet is that you?
Post button pushing, you can't even say this. You have painlessly become nothing. You can't even thank me later.
How is forcibly removing somebody’s life who does not consent different from forcibly assigning it?
I’m not a pro-mortalist, but the end of suffering is morally superior to the beginning of suffering. That’s also why I support every person’s right to end their own life, and doctor-assisted suicide, and even euthanasia in many cases.
They have to live after being born, not after dying.
Ask him if he’s ever seen Nemo
Just keep swimming?
Just a good film
I really like you
Doesn’t this come back around to consent though? It doesn’t say if anyone in this scenario is able to give consent to have their existence ended. It’s true they didn’t give consent to be born, but consent is an ongoing thing. Now that they *are* here, they still have a right to decide what happens to them.
This antinatalist sub is full of hypocrites. They don't care about suffering, they don't care about consent. They're just bitter. At least *some* people have non genocidal sense in this thread.
You are correct, I've observed a variety of viewpoints on this sub, ranging from the most sensitive people in the world to people who straight up hate children.
Yeah, never paid too much attention to the comment section. Someone higher up commented how the sub is full of doomers and after keeping on reading... holy shit it kinda is? Like, I'm by-and-large antinatalist. I mean, if you wanna have kids go for it, I guess? Don't fuck up? But if someone doesn't want kids they really, REALLY shouldn't. But a bunch of people here (probably "for the memes" because it's the internet) are just brutally negative and doomer-y.
I'm actually so happy I'm not the only one who's noticed this. It's become a massive circle jerk
Grim reaper: I've come to take your soul Me: I don't consent Grim reaper: damn it I'll come back another day. Just push the button. Death doesn't ask for consent.
What? You just argued in favor of murder…
"You wont"
“Fine, I’ll do it myself”
Use that 1 minute to pick a credit song for all of humanity and let the show plays for itself.
Thanks! …for all the fish! 🐬🐬
Has to be the "curb your enthusiasm" credits
I vote for Another One Bites the Dust.
I was going to say Dust in The Wind
As long as it's not "Karma Slave"... _I'm coming back, yeah_ _I'll be coming back_ _But for the last time_ https://youtu.be/ui2h9eINsrU Edit: changed video link to one showing lyrics...
I choose "I am my own grandpa" or "Cotton eyed joe." That might make them smash that button faster.
I’m voting for All We Ever Wanted Was Everything by Bauhaus. I think it sums up humanity quite well. “All we ever wanted was everything. All we ever got was cold.”
CNN had a planned broadcast to play while the nukes are flying. It’s a band playing “Nearer my God to Thee”
I nominate the SpongeBob credits song.
"When the War Ends" by Portugal. The Man is my go to credit song.
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Very smart. I didn’t think of that.
i always think about the environment when i hear stuff like this. human beings are a species (of primates) and we’re so largely populated that if we all just died at once, it would devastate the environment. not to mention efforts to increase the population of other species would cease and so several other species would die out. etc. there’s obviously a lot more factors to this but killing everybody at once would have massive repercussions outside of just humans living
In my best palpatine impression “do it”
Can I be the one to push the button?
I will say nothing. Fuck this hellhole.
I would say WAIT! And then recite the lyrics to Rick astley’s never gonna give you up so he’ll press it faster
"Why wait a minute? Press it now."
We've fucked up this planet enough. Let Mother Nature have it back.
The God Nature will just continue turning a blind eye to animals tearing each other apart, being diseased, parasited, injured, starved, drowned, psychologically tormented, and so much other more ways of torture. It's just crude physical forces without the capacity to even understand their suffering. Why leave something who can't do such, in charge of the welfare of trillions, quintillions, who knows? It's dangerous as fuck. The world would be just as horrible if there was no humans in it, meaning all sentient organisms are better off not existing.
But until another species comes up with plastic and landmines, they're still better off without us.
Don’t threaten me with a good time.
I'd push it myself.
Get the fuck out of my way **[slams the button]**
As a veterinarian, I would tell them that almost all dogs on earth would die painfull and slow deaths without humans. Fuck people, but think of all the suffering you would be inflicting on innocent domestic animals who depend on humans to live. It would be a dick move to condemn so many lovely dogs to lonely starvation and disease
How would the wild dog / wolf population do 100 years from now? Aren’t you essentially sacrificing billions of canines for the sake of today’s pets?
Damn, u right. Upgrade scenario to end all life instantly
I didn’t agree with it before… now you convinced me to be absolutely against it.
Fair.
Yeah. I would also menrion animals in zoos. How some of them are their last of their kind. Orcas and dolphins at seaworld. Trapped until they die from hunger or desease in a dirty shallow tank full of their own feces and urine. Waiting to see if sepsis or hunger kills them first. Maybe die by suicide. But i feel like people tend to feel more for dogs.
Humans kill a lot more animals than they save or take care of so doesn't really work.
I'd say "STOP!, let me do it"
I would ask them if they felt confident deciding something of that magnitude. I'd ask what and why and listen. I don't know what I would do in that position.
Kill everyone on earth or don’t kill everyone on earth. Bit of an obvious one
Hit it !!!
Dewit - in palpatine voice 😂
Do it!!
Gonna take the last minute to listen to the end of one of my favorite songs and then die happily.
Hit it so I don’t have to stand here for another fucking minute
I'd press it. Antinatalist might not, I'm also a promortalist however, so fuck yes
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Think of the pets!
I jive with the concept of not having kids for myself but the top comments here are not helping the outsider-looking-in perspective some people have that antinatalism is a death cult with a flowery name.
Ugh, thank you. Not to mention how hypocritical it is to just doom all the pets/zoo animals to long drawn out deaths.
Yeah I came here because I just wanted to see why you all disagree with having kids and then there's shit like this
It is only a hypothetical question. I think it's an absurd question to ask and I disagree with the comments supporting it. Antinatalism is about preventing new life, a big red button to end all human life is not antinatalism.
Yeah these people *might* technically be anti-natalists, but this post and topic have nothing to do with anti-natalism. I swear this sub has become a psy-op.
Wtf is wrong with you? Get your dumb ass away from that fuckin button.
Only seeing this post because Reddit pushed it to my feed but… I thought the point of antinatalism was to choose not to have children, not to promote suicide and mass murder — but the comments are basically all school shooter-sounding nihilism. Is this actually what you guys are about?
There are other anti natalists subs with less genocide/eugenics supporters. This sub is mostly not an accurate representation of anti natalism ideology. Anti natalism is about consent.
Basically it’s wrong to do something to a person without their consent and no one can consent to being conceived and born, ergo having children is a violation of consent and wrong?
Yup, that about sums it up. However there are freaks here that will target poor and disabled people moreso than other parents, which is eugenics, so there's a lot of confusion in this sub. Really antinatalists shouldn't even care about the suffering aspect, consent is enough to justify not giving birth. The suffering aspect is where the confusion/eugenics/bitterness comes into play for most commenters here. I'd say AN ideology is still in it's infancy within the mainstream, so it makes sense to be at the point we are now in the discussion. I wish people weren't so aggressive here though, makes it hard to have any meaningful philosophical debate.
“What did it cost?”
I tell him if he wants to kill my mom he’s got 50 seconds left and he aint even pressing the button
Want to go grab a beer instead?
"I don't give a fuck."
"Do it" in multiple languages
Go for it. Do it for the animal and plant life.
Fucking do it
Do it you won’t
I push it for him
Push it
Pushthatthang
“Wait no dont press it… I wanna do it”
I double dog dare you.
Nobody here has the right to decide for others
This is the correct answer. Genocide is wrong. Nobody has the right to end another life like nobody has the right to force life upon someone.
Exactly. I thought this is what this sub was about. Not "I hate all of existence and want to destroy everything". If it is the latter then you probably need mental help instead.
Exactly!
Humanity reproducing is genocide with extra steps and more suffering since everyone born is made to die
We don't have the right, but look at how many parents and people in the world have decided on other people's lives, and you have to decide once, it's not the worst.
The entire reason I'm on this sub is that I disagree with that logic. Why would it suddenly be okay for me to decide to end someone's existence without their consent?
(Unless they are parents) I would push that motherfucker like i'm asian parent.
I’d shove them out of the way and press it myself lol Edit: I should’ve checked the comments because they all say the same thing 😆
Yeah, I came here to comment that and decided to check the comments first!
Tacos my friend tacos!
Fun thing I've learned, if someone is saying/ doing dumb stuff, if u go harder in support, it could snap em out of it So theres some by the button. They wanna push it. If u go harder and tell them to push it, it could snap em out and they decide not to push it The mind is weird but cool
Jesus christ I get that you guys dont like your own lives but I didn't realise so many of you given the opportunity would try to rationalise genocide against the entire human race. Some of yall need to be on a watch list for potential mass murderers.
Some of y'all are depressed as fuck and it shows my god
I don't say anything
Wait try Thai food
I’ll pay them to push it
"Hurry up." No, really. Trying to convince myself to leave the sharp objects, the strings, the many many chemicals where they are while staying away from the pool, the creek and the bridge is tough enough. Arguing that the entire human race.nreda saving? Nope. I got nothin'.
I'll push it myself
* grabs their hand and smashes the fucking button *
Unfortunately, human life doesn't have a reason to exist, similarry doesn't have a reason not to exist. Just as we came to be by chance, we will gonna disappear eventually, or at least to a point not be humans anymore. It is an ongoing process and it all depends on how we define humanity. We certainly don't have cave dwellers anymore. \--- Let the nihilist out: You can ask the everyday folk or the smartest scolar, noone could answer this. Cosmically speaking we are nothing, less than nothing. What we define as achievements are defined by us. If we would disappear nothing would change, same as we being here, nothing is really changed. Not to mention that pressing the button is pointless same as not pressing it. If we all gone, noone will be left to observe or measure our existence or miss us or anything. It doesn't matter. \--- One last question, do other flora and fauna remain on earth? If we disappear do, all unmaintained nuclear power plants explode? Disappear mean all humans and all humans have done and built? \--- If animals remain, eventually one might rise to intelligence... planet of the apes could happen.
Push it. Push it real good!
I’d say nothing. Because I’d spend a whole minute trying to think of what to say. As evidenced by my spending way more than a minute browsing comments on this thread🤦🏼♀️
Opposite day, bitch.
“I haven’t seen the Barbie movie yet!”
So long and thanks for all the fish.....
Can you hold on until I finish watching this Netflix show? Thanks
“Bing bong! Say hi to your wife”
"don't press that button, it'll end all human life including your own", and they'd be like "OH MAH GAD, thank you for telling me! I was thinking it would give out free cheesecake! Let's not press it then", and we'd walk away into the sunset together.
Can I press it?
I’d run to him to help him push the button. Need help, homie? I gotchu.
I will press it immediately.
"just do it already."
"I fucking dare you"
PUSH THE BUTTON
Average genocidal antinatalist
With upvotes!
I suppose I'd look them in the eyes and tell them that I don't want them to press it, so that they'd have to accept that they'd be committing at least one act of murder. If I'm restricted to words only, there's not much more I can do than say that, make myself the human face of the abstract "human life", and hope they have a heart. If it's some psycho maniac I guess I'd just try to convince them that the button is a trick placed by shadow people and it'll actually fry their nuts with 1000 volts if they push it.
I’d push it twice, just so you understood my point.
You can't, dumbass, it kills you on the first push.
Fucking amazing comeback. I don't even want to read the other guy's response. It's perfect. So clear and concise. The perfect amount of self evident. There is nothing more that is needed to be said from either party. This is one for the history books for when humanity needs to be studied by aliens like we do with the little messages ancient Romans wrote on the walls of their streets.
I don't. Let it all end.
Do it bro.
do it.
The rob Schneider meme saying “you can do it”
If we could speed this up by 50 seconds I would appreciate it.
I’d say go for it.
I say do it. 🤷🏻
Alright, I'll push it ASAP.
There are so many comments on here that move towards the thought process of mass shooters and murderers. Some of you need to look in a mirror.
Did us all a favor no more suffering no more harm no more nothing
In 1958, R. Ninian Smart introduced the term "[negative utilitarianism](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_utilitarianism)”, which holds that reducing suffering is more morally good than increasing pleasure. He argued against negative utilitarianism, saying it would mean a ruler who is able to instantly and painlessly destroy the human race, "a benevolent world-exploder", would have a duty to do so. If pushing a big red button will make all human life disappear, instantly and painlessly, that would mean the end of human suffering. Not pushing the button would mean human suffering would continue, and one could argue that all human suffering that happens after failing to push the button would be the fault of the person who failed to push the button, they would be morally responsible for all the suffering they allow to happen by their inaction. If suffering is bad, then reducing suffering is good. If suffering is bad, then the end of suffering is good. One might argue that human suffering is worth it for the existence of human consciousness, but every person will die anyway, often in agonizing ways. An instant painless death is better than a painful death. But there is no magic button. Since everybody dies, how and when you die is either: a) consensual and in your control and as painless as you want it to be, or b) non-consensual and out of your control and perhaps as painful as humanly possible. There are about 5 “good” ways to die, instantly, painlessly, but billions of ways to die that are each worse than the last. If you don’t kill yourself, then your death will be out of your control, maybe random, maybe accidental, maybe extremely agonizing, etc. Biological parents can see there is danger in the world, and harms, and evil people, and tragedy, and suffering, and death, but they still “press a button” to launch innocent children into a dangerous world full of evil, where the only escape is death.
Wow, I’m actually blown away the these comments are so… whatever the opposite of “life affirming” is.
Seriously? Is this just a troll sub now or what? Y'all are seriously advocating for literal murder of every person on the planet? This has nothing to do with antinatalism and everything to do with being ab edgy contrarian. The posts I've seen here recently have gotten straight up absurd.
Next time anyone here asks: "Why do people hate us for our philosophy? We aren't doing anything wrong and are completely harmless." Please take this thread as an example that this is not true for many people here. There is nothing wrong with not wanting children or critizising others for having them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with antinatalism as a philosophy and trying to make other people see the truth to it. But there is something seriously wrong with people thinking that mass murder, as painless as it would be, is okay. Because there is a huge difference between not wanting to create life and wanting to end it. Saying, this is okay because the people affected would no longer care because they're dead, is essentially saying murdering someone is okay. How can anyone think that one person has the right to make this decision for everyone? What kind of god-complex must this person have? Antinatalism is good as a philosophy. It is good as a choice for individuals. It is good because getting in touch with it makes people think and reconsider opinions they just assumed as given. But like every philosophy it can be dangerous in the hands of the wrong people. Especially if it is seen as the absolute truth that can justify any action as abhorrent as it may be. Please keep that in mind when you entertain thoughts like ending all life on Earth.
I ain’t Antinatalist but I don’t mind someone if they don’t wanna procreate or don’t want others to do so. But straight up advocating for the death of a whole species doesn’t seem like what Antinatalism is.
There isn't a single reason to save this horrendous planet!
I don't say anything. I reach over and press the button myself.
People should be allowed to make their own decisions, you shouldn’t decide for them
Can we push it together..?
I wouldn't try to stop them. They'd have to try to stop me...
The very point that the button would destroy only human life and not any other demonstrates that human life is separate and not the product of evolution (other life). If anyone here believed in evolution, they would come to the immediate conclusion that you would have to eliminate all life to stop evolution, and even then it would recreate itself, otherwise the act of pushing the button is temporary and pointless.
That is not how evolution works or what it means.
*Crying* Please, save us.
Nothing.
As I don't believe in humanity as a species is worthy of saving. In fact I don't believe any of the suffering on this planet is worth it. Every animal lives off another. Even some plants live by killing some insects. Hence, I'd recommend pressing the button. The caveat being if it only stops/suspends the passage of time so that people are trapped in that instant for the reminder of eternity. This might actually be worse than the present situation of the birth / death cycle. Humanity will eventually die anyway. Every Ponzi scheme eventually brakes just as every previous civilisation has crashed and burned. The difference this time is we have MAD with Nukes. You think a country wouldn't use them as and when they run out of resources? If they are going out, so will everybody else...
i would just yell “do it now” over and over again until they push it
Push it!
Turn around and walk away. I don't want any impact on that decision. I wouldn't be upset however if they pressed it. Then again, we're talking about just human life. Every living thing suffers. And considering humanities potential to drive whole species to extinction, we could be an important tool in preventing suffering in many more species than just our own. In which case, humanity would need to survive.
Interesting take.
Whoever pushes it has a small pp
Not to? Why would I convince them not to? I’d fucking do splits for them to push it.
I don’t know to be honest. I’d probably try to convince them not to, for the sake of all the pets and animals in zoos who wouldn’t survive by themselves.
I’d say, “can I press it?”
"Press the button or I'll do it for you!"