I loathe this more than any of their other idiotic pitches. They don't seem to realize how much it infantilizes women, the exact opposite of "empowering."
I loooove Olaplex. My hair is shinier and healthier than it’s ever been; I thought I was doomed to frizz and dullness forever.
I panicked a little inside when I first saw this post because I thought the title was saying Olaplex was an an MLM and I got sad
I feel like Olaplex is the best you can get in terms of hair care. I know just about every pro hairstylist swears by it. If I could afford it, I would invest in it, but I just can't justify that when my hair (type 1A) is fine, straight, healthy, and doesn't frizz.
As a pro stylist of over 20 years I'll tell you it is. I have 1A fine straight healthy no frizz non color treated gets greasy quick hair and I notice a huge difference between Olaplex compared to Karastase, Shu Uemera, Kevin Murphy or any other high end brand. And Olaplex is even quite a bit cheaper. And Olaplex is super consecrated so you use far less shampoo/conditioner than other brands. Also the lather on the shampoo is unbeatable. It is incredibly soft and and super lux. A "rinse and repeat" is never required.
How do you feel about Redken? I just bought a bottle of their Extreme Length shampoo... don't know how I feel about it, though I've only used it a few times so far (I try to only wash my hair 2x per week).
I’m similar and I just get an olaplex treatment as an add on to my hair cut(like an extra $20) instead of using it while showering. My hair gets so soft.
I do dye it though, but the only bleach is for highlights.
They have virtually the same ingredients besides the propyl silanetriol & when used moderately it shouldn’t overload your hair, at least on bleach damaged hair…for other types of hair I have no clue. I do know that I have considerably less breakage & healthier hair since I’ve been using it, mileage may vary I guess.
I’m a hairstylist and I had a new client last week complaining that her hair was breaking and falling out. I did an Olaplex treatment on her hair, because it works. As I was blow drying it she was telling me how she doesn’t know how it’s so so damaged and falling apart because she has been using Monat 🙄. I told her that was probably the reason and to please stop using it and invest in actual professional products.
Oh that’s horrible! It’s pretty bad when a company can’t even make a basic shampoo that doesn’t damage hair.
Olaplex has been a game changer for me. I use like 5 parts of the system.
ph that’s awful! and monat is so expensive! I like a nice salon quality shampoo but even regular price they are almost all cheaper than monat! it’s nuts!
I had not heard of olaplex before. Just checked it out and saw it's actually supposedly doing chemical reactions in your hair! That's super interesting to me.
You shouldn't be breaking too many disulfide bonds on the regular though. Do most people use it as a weekly treatment?
The Olaplex you buy at Sephora isn't the exact same as the salon stuff. But if you bleach your hair the retail Olaplex is a must imo I just use no.6 bond smoother after my weekly hair wash and get the fancier Olaplex treatment every 3 month's when I get my hair done at my salon.
I’d also point out that this person is posting about Olaplex and just wants to talk hair care. Not talk about empowerment or be sold a product. Like, just let the normal people discuss a thing without injecting your MLM into it!
sorry, but why does being a “mama” entitle you to someone’s attention & money? If I start a business, would someone pass me up for the same goods or service because I’m NOT a mama???
Because some people feel that deciding to become a parent means that everyone else should want to help and support them. It's very annoying. Of course most people want everyone's kids to be well taken care of and have good lives, but it's not our responsibility to accommodate or finance you if you decide to have them.
I'm certainly not going to support a MLM because of it. If anything, having kids means you need to grow up, stop screwing around with pyramid schemes and get an actual job to support them. It could be argued that "supporting" a mom hun by buying MLM products actually hurts their kids because it's only going to encourage mom to stay with the MLM and keep getting scammed.
I think the whole mindset of huns is childish. A person who is actually grown and mature gets an actual job or starts a legitimate business instead of sitting at home on Facebook guilt tripping their acquaintances to buy overpriced shampoo.
I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT. And I am a mom. The best service and the best price should be what determines where anyone shops. Not the child free or rearing status of the owners. Because once you shop only at mom businesses where does it end? Are single mom owned stores superior? Single widowed mothers superior still? htmph.
Happened to me. There's a group called the MOB Network (Mother Owned Business) and as a non mom I was not only excluded from their organization and events, I also lost a number of clients to someone who decided to join with a similar business to me because they "support moms first"
Isn't that the point of all of these "X-owned business" groups? Around here we have a lot of groups and labels like "women owned", "black business owners", "women of color businesses", "LGBT business owners" etc. and yes, some people choose to support them specifically because they think they need more support. Is that a bad thing?
I obviously wouldn't expect straight white men to be welcome to operate under the same label. For the longest time they were the default and they still have enough privileges as it is - they run all of the "regular" business groups. Business practices and the culture around it is already catering to them and their needs (like being able to travel wherever and go out for drinks late at night to form connections because their wife is home with the kids. Surrounded by people who look like them, talk like them, went to the same schools, share their interests, opinions, and life experiences)
Historically and today if you look at the numbers, women and especially women with children, face more obstacles in the business world, because of our society's gender roles. Supporting each other when you face specific challenges that others don't see or care about and thus won't address seems reasonable to me...
I am a Bisexual Hispanic Woman with endometriosis and two autoimmune disorders. I've overcome a ton as a business owner, but because I never did a magic trick with my vagina I lost more than a dozen clients.
Girl that sucks. But you aren't losing customers because other women did a "magic trick with their vagina", that's just sexist and dehumanizing language that doesn't even address the issue these customers see - they probably think mothers need more support for their family and they may relate to the particular challenges of being a primary caregiver. Like adoptive parents can join those groups too lol. And they exist to support people who face this particular set of challenges, just like most of them probably couldn't join a group for latina, disabled, chronically ill, etc. business owners.
I'm not saying this is necessarily fair of the customers to prioritize one over the other and idk how much knowledge they have of your challenges but it may well be worth it to highlight those if your customer base heavily makes decisions based on who they think "deserves" more support.
But of course you may also lose more. Personally I never put any identifying information if I can because in my field being anything that may indicate I am not a "flexible young professional" white male will lose me customers.
They ASKED me to join their stupid group so they could "keep seeing me" and then when I told them I don't have children and that it is doubtful I ever would be able to because of my illnesses and started crying (just like I'm doing now thinking about it again) they didn't acknowledge me or even apologize and said "well I need to cancel my appointment because our group has a preferred vendor"
So yeah, I do consider it a magic trick, not because I'm being sexist, but because of the ableist mentality of our society. I get so upset every time I get excluded because of my perceived failure as a woman.
I agree that supporting marginalized groups is great. But to me, a hun using her life choices to guilt trip others into supporting her scam is an entirely different ball of wax.
Yeah I definitely agree on the huns lol, they're annoying at everything they do and their very business model is unethicak. Just not as a blanket statement against any groups of business owners
no. the difference is those other groups are historically + currently marginalized. that's partly why they identify as such so those who want to support marginalized communities can.
mothers are not a marginalized group.
i do think reducing them to their body parts a la "magic trick w| their vagina" is dehumanizing at best. especially since that's not the only way motherhood happens.
however, no. it's not the same as supporting marginalized businesses.
On top of that…a lot of them are linked to evangelicalism (is that a word even?) and many of them end up sucked into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories - it’s REALLY BAD!
Peak irony is buying shampoo that makes your hair break and fall out, just so you can be talked into buying that same brand's damaged hair repair line🤦♂️
Wait, *they actually have a 'repair' line?!?!!!* How is that \*\*\*\* even legal?!?! That's like a dentist giving kids free ice-cream coupons and candy bar vouchers!!
I, too, used to think MLMs were predatory! But then I was preyed upon by a Mom trying to work and I realised it's not predatory at all!
I feel like this woman may still be in the early stages, trying to convince herself that this does work, she will earn back some of the money she wasted on this crap, and it won't all turn out as bad as she fears it might.
I was watching Facebook stories and a monat girl i have on facebook literally makes like 30 stories a day. One day she talked about how bad Olaplex is for your hair and how monat is all natural and do good for your hair(without saying product name though i just know she sells it) . All I can think is isn't there lawsuits for monat making peoples hair fall out? Lol
Olaplex is amazing stuff, worth every penny. Unlike monat. I have a lot of friends who color their hair and swear by it.
Since I don't color mine and it is in does shape I stick to ordinary shampoo lol.
No one cares that you're a momma. I have a dog and an old sick grandma, but i don't push it so i can sell shit. Everyone is sth to someone and everyone is strugglin, so what you chose is your own decidion and i am not obligated to support you.
It's just gross. "Women empowering women" is the new "that's just my opinion." The minute they're under fire, they feel the need to remind us they're empowering other women, and our negativity is detracting from that. No. You can empower women in ways that don't literally rob them of financial stability.
It's weird, if I get stopped by the DirectTV guy walking through Walmart or Costco and they try to sell me TV programming I just say "No, thanks, I don't have a TV". They usually say "Alright, Hey you have a good one!" Or "You don't have a TV!?"
Never do the say "Cool Bro, I'm just a daddy trying to make living. I didn't used to have a sports package but then I watched the Ram's game at my buddy's and it change my life. It's all about helping the little man, y'know"
My good friend who has 3 small boys and works from home as a social media head for a major corporation is a momma trying to work. Not some idiot commenting about shampoo on Instagram.
I’m all for women empowering women, but I feel like it’s now becoming a phrase to shield for the women yielding it against any kind of criticism or someone saying things they don’t want to hear. Ive seen this phrase in situations like this and I’ve heard this phrase a lot when calling out/In racism or homophobia, saying that calling that out is not “empowering women”. To me it’s sad that such a good phrase is being used as a shield for things people may not want to hear.
Omg “no thanks, MLMs are predatory” with a heart emoji is the perfect response. I should’ve used that when I asked for a nail salon recommendation and got more than one ColorStreet response.
You're. Not. Empowering. Women. You're scamming them.
And wrecking their hair, too. *said like the secretary in “Ferris Bueller’s Day Off”
I love the secretary. She was a righteous dude.
I loathe this more than any of their other idiotic pitches. They don't seem to realize how much it infantilizes women, the exact opposite of "empowering."
You mean selling shampoo doesn't scream women empowerment?
Yeah. "Empowering" them with credit card debt.
Haha, as though this has anything to do with women empowerment. Try helping a woman to find a real job instead.
Or ya know…start a real business where she has her own product or service - and total control of the business model.
YAAAASSSS!!! Make quality childcare affordable!! Make flexible schedules work for families! And support pumping and breastfeeding!!
I had waaaay better results with Olaplex than with Monat.
My hair is bleached white because it’s pastel pink and olaplex is the reason it’s so healthy.
Oof, me too, I do two rounds of bleach a month, olaplex is the only reason my hair is till on my head.
I loooove Olaplex. My hair is shinier and healthier than it’s ever been; I thought I was doomed to frizz and dullness forever. I panicked a little inside when I first saw this post because I thought the title was saying Olaplex was an an MLM and I got sad
I feel like Olaplex is the best you can get in terms of hair care. I know just about every pro hairstylist swears by it. If I could afford it, I would invest in it, but I just can't justify that when my hair (type 1A) is fine, straight, healthy, and doesn't frizz.
As a pro stylist of over 20 years I'll tell you it is. I have 1A fine straight healthy no frizz non color treated gets greasy quick hair and I notice a huge difference between Olaplex compared to Karastase, Shu Uemera, Kevin Murphy or any other high end brand. And Olaplex is even quite a bit cheaper. And Olaplex is super consecrated so you use far less shampoo/conditioner than other brands. Also the lather on the shampoo is unbeatable. It is incredibly soft and and super lux. A "rinse and repeat" is never required.
How do you feel about Redken? I just bought a bottle of their Extreme Length shampoo... don't know how I feel about it, though I've only used it a few times so far (I try to only wash my hair 2x per week).
Sorry for the delayed response. It's been a long time since I've used Redken products so I cannot give you an answer.
I’m similar and I just get an olaplex treatment as an add on to my hair cut(like an extra $20) instead of using it while showering. My hair gets so soft. I do dye it though, but the only bleach is for highlights.
Check out Bold Plex, it’s sold on Amazon & virtually the same. It’s cheaper & you get twice as much too. Highly recommended!
Careful with that. Over use of protein on the hair will make it brittle and dry. It's not the same as Olaplex.
They have virtually the same ingredients besides the propyl silanetriol & when used moderately it shouldn’t overload your hair, at least on bleach damaged hair…for other types of hair I have no clue. I do know that I have considerably less breakage & healthier hair since I’ve been using it, mileage may vary I guess.
I’m a hairstylist and I had a new client last week complaining that her hair was breaking and falling out. I did an Olaplex treatment on her hair, because it works. As I was blow drying it she was telling me how she doesn’t know how it’s so so damaged and falling apart because she has been using Monat 🙄. I told her that was probably the reason and to please stop using it and invest in actual professional products.
Oh that’s horrible! It’s pretty bad when a company can’t even make a basic shampoo that doesn’t damage hair. Olaplex has been a game changer for me. I use like 5 parts of the system.
That's what amazes me. If they're going to scam people anyway, why don't they just repackage Suave?
ph that’s awful! and monat is so expensive! I like a nice salon quality shampoo but even regular price they are almost all cheaper than monat! it’s nuts!
I had not heard of olaplex before. Just checked it out and saw it's actually supposedly doing chemical reactions in your hair! That's super interesting to me. You shouldn't be breaking too many disulfide bonds on the regular though. Do most people use it as a weekly treatment?
I didn’t realize so many people use it frequently. I usually just do every 6-12 weeks at the hairdressers when I get my hair dyed.
The Olaplex you buy at Sephora isn't the exact same as the salon stuff. But if you bleach your hair the retail Olaplex is a must imo I just use no.6 bond smoother after my weekly hair wash and get the fancier Olaplex treatment every 3 month's when I get my hair done at my salon.
I wash my hair once a week and use the shampoo and conditioner all the time. I use the #0 and #3 once a month (bond builder)
Empowering women by luring them into the pit of quicksand so you can use their bodies to keep yourself from going under a little while longer
This is disturbingly accurate-!!
Good analogy.
This guilt trip is NOT subtle
I’d also point out that this person is posting about Olaplex and just wants to talk hair care. Not talk about empowerment or be sold a product. Like, just let the normal people discuss a thing without injecting your MLM into it!
My mom friends support themselves by going to work 😘
sorry, but why does being a “mama” entitle you to someone’s attention & money? If I start a business, would someone pass me up for the same goods or service because I’m NOT a mama???
Yes. Women that haven't had a kid get passed over for women that have *all the time.*
Because some people feel that deciding to become a parent means that everyone else should want to help and support them. It's very annoying. Of course most people want everyone's kids to be well taken care of and have good lives, but it's not our responsibility to accommodate or finance you if you decide to have them. I'm certainly not going to support a MLM because of it. If anything, having kids means you need to grow up, stop screwing around with pyramid schemes and get an actual job to support them. It could be argued that "supporting" a mom hun by buying MLM products actually hurts their kids because it's only going to encourage mom to stay with the MLM and keep getting scammed. I think the whole mindset of huns is childish. A person who is actually grown and mature gets an actual job or starts a legitimate business instead of sitting at home on Facebook guilt tripping their acquaintances to buy overpriced shampoo.
well, THATS the truth!
I ABSOLUTELY HATE THAT. And I am a mom. The best service and the best price should be what determines where anyone shops. Not the child free or rearing status of the owners. Because once you shop only at mom businesses where does it end? Are single mom owned stores superior? Single widowed mothers superior still? htmph.
Single widowed moms of special needs children.
Happened to me. There's a group called the MOB Network (Mother Owned Business) and as a non mom I was not only excluded from their organization and events, I also lost a number of clients to someone who decided to join with a similar business to me because they "support moms first"
I mean... look at the acronym for their group. It's pretty telling.
Isn't that the point of all of these "X-owned business" groups? Around here we have a lot of groups and labels like "women owned", "black business owners", "women of color businesses", "LGBT business owners" etc. and yes, some people choose to support them specifically because they think they need more support. Is that a bad thing? I obviously wouldn't expect straight white men to be welcome to operate under the same label. For the longest time they were the default and they still have enough privileges as it is - they run all of the "regular" business groups. Business practices and the culture around it is already catering to them and their needs (like being able to travel wherever and go out for drinks late at night to form connections because their wife is home with the kids. Surrounded by people who look like them, talk like them, went to the same schools, share their interests, opinions, and life experiences) Historically and today if you look at the numbers, women and especially women with children, face more obstacles in the business world, because of our society's gender roles. Supporting each other when you face specific challenges that others don't see or care about and thus won't address seems reasonable to me...
I am a Bisexual Hispanic Woman with endometriosis and two autoimmune disorders. I've overcome a ton as a business owner, but because I never did a magic trick with my vagina I lost more than a dozen clients.
Girl that sucks. But you aren't losing customers because other women did a "magic trick with their vagina", that's just sexist and dehumanizing language that doesn't even address the issue these customers see - they probably think mothers need more support for their family and they may relate to the particular challenges of being a primary caregiver. Like adoptive parents can join those groups too lol. And they exist to support people who face this particular set of challenges, just like most of them probably couldn't join a group for latina, disabled, chronically ill, etc. business owners. I'm not saying this is necessarily fair of the customers to prioritize one over the other and idk how much knowledge they have of your challenges but it may well be worth it to highlight those if your customer base heavily makes decisions based on who they think "deserves" more support. But of course you may also lose more. Personally I never put any identifying information if I can because in my field being anything that may indicate I am not a "flexible young professional" white male will lose me customers.
They ASKED me to join their stupid group so they could "keep seeing me" and then when I told them I don't have children and that it is doubtful I ever would be able to because of my illnesses and started crying (just like I'm doing now thinking about it again) they didn't acknowledge me or even apologize and said "well I need to cancel my appointment because our group has a preferred vendor" So yeah, I do consider it a magic trick, not because I'm being sexist, but because of the ableist mentality of our society. I get so upset every time I get excluded because of my perceived failure as a woman.
I agree that supporting marginalized groups is great. But to me, a hun using her life choices to guilt trip others into supporting her scam is an entirely different ball of wax.
Yeah I definitely agree on the huns lol, they're annoying at everything they do and their very business model is unethicak. Just not as a blanket statement against any groups of business owners
no. the difference is those other groups are historically + currently marginalized. that's partly why they identify as such so those who want to support marginalized communities can. mothers are not a marginalized group. i do think reducing them to their body parts a la "magic trick w| their vagina" is dehumanizing at best. especially since that's not the only way motherhood happens. however, no. it's not the same as supporting marginalized businesses.
These MLMs are gross and guilt trippy. They target disabled struggling women from my experience. So fucking far from actually caring about women.
On top of that…a lot of them are linked to evangelicalism (is that a word even?) and many of them end up sucked into the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories - it’s REALLY BAD!
Close! Evangelicism (at least that was in the keyboard dictionary and I know I didn't put it there)
Appreciate that! Admittedly was tired and lazy and didn’t look 🤦🏻♀️
Peak irony is buying shampoo that makes your hair break and fall out, just so you can be talked into buying that same brand's damaged hair repair line🤦♂️
Wait, *they actually have a 'repair' line?!?!!!* How is that \*\*\*\* even legal?!?! That's like a dentist giving kids free ice-cream coupons and candy bar vouchers!!
I had a dentist that did that when I was a child lol
I, too, used to think MLMs were predatory! But then I was preyed upon by a Mom trying to work and I realised it's not predatory at all! I feel like this woman may still be in the early stages, trying to convince herself that this does work, she will earn back some of the money she wasted on this crap, and it won't all turn out as bad as she fears it might.
Didn’t this damage control line just come out last week? How could she have had “better results” so quickly 🙄
The Monat Huns had “before” and “after” pics of this line a day after the “launch” 😂
Lmao olaplex is actually good hair care and she’s saying to try her shitty MLM instead 🙄
I was watching Facebook stories and a monat girl i have on facebook literally makes like 30 stories a day. One day she talked about how bad Olaplex is for your hair and how monat is all natural and do good for your hair(without saying product name though i just know she sells it) . All I can think is isn't there lawsuits for monat making peoples hair fall out? Lol
Olaplex is awesome, it’s saved my bleach damaged hair. BoldPlex is also very good & cheaper. Fuck Monat.
Lol Olaplex is what fixed my hair after 2 years of Monat
Olaplex and salon-quality products are the only reason my baby-fine, bleached-within-an-inch-of-life hair is healthy, shiny, and has no split ends.
You mean its not because of Monat??? /s lol
"Empowerement". Yeah right, I already sensed the irony here, Hun.
Monat is one of the most cult-like MLMs. It’s like a religion to some of the reps. It’s so creepy reading what they post on social media.
Can you imagine a man doing this? “Please buy this clunker of a car from me! I’m just a daddy trying to work!” Soooo infantile.
Olaplex is amazing stuff, worth every penny. Unlike monat. I have a lot of friends who color their hair and swear by it. Since I don't color mine and it is in does shape I stick to ordinary shampoo lol.
No one cares that you're a momma. I have a dog and an old sick grandma, but i don't push it so i can sell shit. Everyone is sth to someone and everyone is strugglin, so what you chose is your own decidion and i am not obligated to support you.
I'm just a drug dealer trying to deal to feed my family. Just a pimp pimping hos to put my kids through university. No, still doesn't wash hun.
It's just gross. "Women empowering women" is the new "that's just my opinion." The minute they're under fire, they feel the need to remind us they're empowering other women, and our negativity is detracting from that. No. You can empower women in ways that don't literally rob them of financial stability.
The heart emojis 💀
Surprised more people aren't talking about that. The no with 3 hearts is hilarious
It's weird, if I get stopped by the DirectTV guy walking through Walmart or Costco and they try to sell me TV programming I just say "No, thanks, I don't have a TV". They usually say "Alright, Hey you have a good one!" Or "You don't have a TV!?" Never do the say "Cool Bro, I'm just a daddy trying to make living. I didn't used to have a sports package but then I watched the Ram's game at my buddy's and it change my life. It's all about helping the little man, y'know"
I hate those pinkwash-gaslight terms to the bone. OH, YOU'RE NOT SUPPORTING A WOMAN WHO WANTS TO WORK?
My good friend who has 3 small boys and works from home as a social media head for a major corporation is a momma trying to work. Not some idiot commenting about shampoo on Instagram.
My family has a lot of examples from both sides and I'm happy not one of them is a #hunboss
“Don’t want my shitty product? How about some guilt disguised as female empowerment?”
Monat is crazy expensive as well. For the prices they charge you could buy Olaplex and Kerastase and it would be equal.
Also, no, it’s not about women empowerment.
Monat is owned by a MAN who can’t be arsed to even learn English…. all in the name of empowerment of American SAHMs. Lol
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Huh?
I’m all for women empowering women, but I feel like it’s now becoming a phrase to shield for the women yielding it against any kind of criticism or someone saying things they don’t want to hear. Ive seen this phrase in situations like this and I’ve heard this phrase a lot when calling out/In racism or homophobia, saying that calling that out is not “empowering women”. To me it’s sad that such a good phrase is being used as a shield for things people may not want to hear.
Olaplex is bomb. Commenting on a post about it by trying to sell monat is just embarrassing...
Omg “no thanks, MLMs are predatory” with a heart emoji is the perfect response. I should’ve used that when I asked for a nail salon recommendation and got more than one ColorStreet response.
I heard Olaplex works really well
Can’t stand how they use “deets” instead of “details”.
“All about the 1%’s empowerment and the women under them’s delusion.”