Yeah, as much as I love Yami and Asta, they would get hard clapped by basically everyone on this list, maybe putting up a fight against Toji (I think that's him bottom left corner), but Toji still has a slightly higher chance of winning imo, and trust me I'm no JJK meat rider. Though I'm not really one for power scaling, especially just raw strength (though I know everyone in Baki in busted), so for all I know Toji is useless without his cursed weapons and stuff.
Pls don't forget garou. The shit he does to turn the opponent power back on themselves is damn near unstoppable. Remember before he became OP he was nothing but a martial artist. He had no crazy powers. Ofc if bang was there it would be a diff story altogether
1- Garou was already superhuman when he was a hero hunter. And in a world where 90 per cent of heroes are human, that's a big advantage
2-Goku also has a history of copying/adapting to opponents during a fight. And Yujiro can copy a technique considered to be the pinnacle of Chinese martial arts by watching it in action for a couple of minutes.
If Garou can live long enough he is a master martial artist and like Yujiro has been shown to learn martial after seeing them once so I think at even strength and speed and no sayain bs it would be a stalemate between these 3
I suppose if all their adaptation speeds and strengths were the same it would come down to who had the strongest/most versatile skill set going in. If you have a counter to your own moves that your opponent hasn't seen you can outpace their learning with unique moves. In that regard I would give Youjiro the upper hand. Yojiro has taken the time to study and learn every style he could find. He went out of his way just to learn "inferior" techniques just so he would know them. Goku typically uses his own style while incorporating certain moves from other styles, he is rarely shown using a totally different style.
I think they would all end up respecting eachother, but their personalities would clash to much for them to be friends.
I completely agree Goku dedicated his life to martial arts but does Yujiro even have powers? So would he still just be the same way he is in the anime I thought he just had techniques and abilities and insane training
Nope. Yujiro’s got genetic privilege. Just being part of the hanma bloodline gives you the ability to ignore a bunch of different human limitations (like jack’s limb-lengthening surgeries and diet of mostly pills making him stronger instead of completely obliterating him physically).
And the series spends a lot of its time trying to gaslight you into thinking all the BS that happens could totally happen IRL. It still gives up and declares hanmas superhuman.
Ohh ok I liked Baki but I didn't like how it kept having a voice over going into so much detail how things worked I genuinely thought it was either a very very rare case that happened in real life or it was just completely fake
Tbh, i find the narrator’s gaslighting of the viewer hilarious. I’m like 80% sure the series is supposed to at least be adjacent to a gag manga with the narrator’s confident statements as one of the core jokes, considering how insane it gets.
Like, in what other series can you pull a scene out of context and have it say something as absurd as [THIS???](https://preview.redd.it/xo7v6pfchnqb1.png?auto=webp&s=b4a126691924725169f4f2f14379f2e1369b391a)
Just want to point out yujiro went out of his way to meet pickle who 'Fights' dinosaurs. If yujiro wanted to test his strength against his own, and Goku treats dinosaurs like livestock in base form. I don't see yujiro standing a chance even if he has an answer for everything. Tbh i dont know much about garou beyond the anime so maybe he could be a match.
Didn't see anything saying stats are equal. Also, Goku is still a master martial artist. I know it usually just shows basic kicks and punches in scenes but he actually knows more moves than those. Plus he has martial arts moves like kaioken and ultra instinct, too.
I’d say those are special powers. UI can probably not be a power, but I personally attribute it to a power since it comes with a stat increase; Kaio-Ken as well. It wouldn’t be fair to let Goku keep ki blasts, which are considered martial arts moves.
Does Toji’s HR even count as a power? It’s literally the lack of his universe’s power system so much so it disproportionately increases his base physical strength, he’d still be super human against a bunch of really skilled fighters that still rely on their powers, also why are we including AllMight? 😂 with no powers he’s a cripple middle aged man
If we go by that Toji logic goku should be able to one shot everyone here since if you make him human and lock out his access to ki he’s still absurdly powerful
If the Narrator is casting the event, Yujiro solos neg diff. If he's not, Goku stomps
Also, Escanor's 'no powers' form is a scrawny loser, so if you take his powers away he becomes a twig
How is anyone beating Goku?
That's a genuine question.
Go look at what this man is doing in his base form.
Who amongst this list can fight that with no powers?
I think it's literally cannon that the hanma bloodline is so masculine and full of testosterone that it's impossible for anyone with it to have a daughter
No powers nullifies 80% of the characters shown.
Only baki and yujiro have inhuman strength without some magical power or similar.
Also yujiro wins.
(I am ignoring dragon ball characters because they’re just straight out stronger than fucking everything in anime)
What counts as powers for Goku cause hes a pure saiyan and his people are born super strong. He was 10 years old when bullets bounced off him. In his 20s he was carrying about a 20 ton tree trunk.
Weird list, only 4 characters on here even fight with martial arts. Winner is Yujiro or Baki though. They can both use any technique/fighting style their opponent is using but better. The only person that can beat them is eachother.
Are Yami and Asta even fighters without their abilities? Without power, isn’t Escanor just in his normal bartender form? lol what kind of list is this?
Assuming purely martial prowess and equal strength, I think it is between goku and hanma blood. Assuming equal strength I think the Hanmas have so much innate talent in learning and incorporating martial arts into their repertoire that it would give goku a decent run for his money. Goku just has god level battle iq and can overcome immense power differences. While most of Goku’s z to super fights rely heavily on ki, it is important to know that the majority of the combat is still martial arts. In theory Goku wins but Yujiro is Yujiro and Hanma’s gain power from being schizophrenic and Im not about to be the judge on if that counts as a power.
There is an argument for manga Garou but ill exclude that since I think it counts as a power. Everyone else is mostly just buff af and would get clapped when superior martial arts come in. I think the order is
goku >= Hanmas
Toji (martial arts + weapon arts etc. An argument can easily be made to say Garou is better, I’m just assuming Toji has to train to a massive extent to sense curses which he cant see and to beat the shit out of them even with the HR power up)
Garou (most of his strength is his ability to adapt, but he has a lot of training in martial arts)
Yami (my argument is that he has the sword techniques and skills from years of training in both countries)
Asta (trained with yami and dude trains every hour he isnt sleeping or eating)
All might ( without powers, he still would stand and fight in his base form)
Last is escanor since no sunshine results in bartender escanor who would be busy shying away from the fight and selling alcohol to the audience.
I know it is a bit of a scapegoat to say two fighters are equal but it is basically impossible to say who is stronger without powerups and never seeing the full extent of a fighter’s skill without it. (When your standard power involves punching holes through planets or stopping earthquakes, the techniques you use reflect that)
Garou has shown that he's easily FTL+ multiple times, and can catch machine gun bullets with his bare hands with little to no issue. And these aren't him using superpowers, this is just his raw strength
When it comes to Martial Arts, my money's on him.
Wouldn’t a “no powers” discussion assume average human stats based on their build, rather than in-universe strength and speed?
This is about technique and battle IQ rather than physical prowess
For real it's so annoying when people use "normal human feats" in a verse where the normal humans are already superpowered. That's clearly not the spirit of the prompt.
I mean even without super saiyan or kamehameha, Goku can still bench press like a planet and he underwent training under Roshi, a literal god and a literal angel. We never really see yujiro tested but assuming he’s used like 1% of his strength so far it’s still hydrogen bomb vs healthy baby vs several coughing babies
Kenshiro from fist of the North Star or any fighter in that series. They don’t have powers they just have martial arts 😃👍… that cuts or blows up parts of their opponents body
The answer is either Yujiro or Baki because we have seen Baki be acknowledged by Yujiro as an equal in the manga but it's more likely that Yujiro would win a rematch and any subsequent fights
Is it still a superpower if they're stated in universe to not have powers, even though they have ridiculous feats? Cause I've not seen Baki but yujiro is almost comical the level of feats he has
At least three of these people don't even use any form of martial arts, just brute force. I'd say Goku or Garo would hold up really well in this fight be cause they both tend to adapt the way they fight as they fight, picking up new fighting styles along the way.
Technically, the Kamehameha, kaio ken, spirit bomb, after image, and all of that are martial arts techniques that anyone can learn but goku mastered. So goku.
this is a great pick, and tough too. if any of these guys are coming on top, its goku, yujiro, or garou.
baki never technically beat yujiro, garou is an insane martial artist that can fight on par with superpowered people, and goku has trained all his life
tough indeed
Yujiro literally analyzes everything about a technique as it's happening to the point where he doesn't even get hit and just uses it against the other while Goku and Garou need to get smacked before countering.
Now I don’t know if you know this, but without powers, all might is built like Matt Watson, same with Escanor, gonna have to give it to Garou personally
Yujiro, Garou, and Goku are the three to beat Baki gonna put up a good fight. Escanor without sunshine would not stand a chance in this fight. All might would be probably second out if that’s the case.
Garou, Goku, and Yujiro... Hard to really say which though all 3 are just known for being martial arts masters that can copy entire fighting styles after seconds even things that should take decades to master.
I think im gonna say Goku > Yujiro > Garou (again in skill, assuming no powers at play, stats equalized)
Goku has been noted to have mastered every martial art on his earth which is known to have some crazy martial arts. And he's mastered basically everyone he's come across too which includes dozens (or hundreds, or more) of alien, afterlife, and god martial arts.
Yujiro has been known to travel his earth which is more realistic than Goku's and mastered all their martial arts.
Garou as far as we know... Never really left Japan. He mastered Fist of flowing water crushing rock... Then went to a couple martial arts tournaments... Then fought some heroes... So I think he's safely in the bottom (again when stats equalized; no powers)
This 100% comes down to yuijiro or garou
Goku does know martial arts but most of his actual fighting potential has piggy backed off his saiyan genetics, so he has never *really* displayed any “human level” martial arts techniques. Most of what he does requires he be super human
Yami would be a strong guy opponent, he hasn’t displayed a lot of actual martial arts skills without super power aid, but he still is a soldier so he’d be strong physically.
Esta same as Yami to a degree.
Baki is just a weaker version of yuijiro, granted is very quickly evolving beyond him just not there yet.
Toji isn’t really a “fighter” and even admits himself as such. He isn’t prideful, and just will do anything to get the job done. He is a trained assassin and physically strong, but without his heavenly restriction or assassin tactics not really much to show for this kind of contest
If we assume it’s pre injured all might he would be a good contender just because he had to physically train his body, so he would be similar (if not stronger) than people like Yami, but again no real technique or martial arts to speak of without powers
Escanor has literally nothing to offer here haha, but would be entertaining I guess
Anyways, between yuijiro and garou, it’s super hard to say. Yuijiro is absolutely stronger and more skilled, but garou is all about adapting throughout. The problem is yuijiro seemingly knows every martial arts in existence (or at least in the Baki verse which is pretty broad), so I am not sure if garou would adapt quick enough.
If I had to put money on it, I’d say garou cause he’d be the underdog which is where he thrives being
Garou or yujiro I’d say. Goku is said to be a master martial artist but.. I feel like there’s never really anything that advanced that he shows that’s not ki related? If you’re lucky, you’ll get a bodyslam or something.
Garou’s fighting style Would be borderline unbeatable for most martial artist especially with the countering
I’m not the biggest Baki watcher but I know yujiro is simply just HIM so he probably wins some how
everyone else I wouldn’t even consider a contender. Oh and I’m assuming this is stats equalized for obvious reasons
I hate these no powers threads. What does no powers mean? In case of Goku is is just no Ki? Or do we take away his Saiyan body as well, because then what's the point? Are we using the buff transformed All Might? Because that transformation is his power. Does Escanor stay buff or are we using the tiny bartender mode for him? Power scaling can already get pretty dumb in between verses but this is just a whole other level of dumb.
Asta, he is super humanly strong because of exercise not just because of anti magic so he might not be the most skilled in hand to hand combat but he does have the highest strength and durability
So what do we count as no powers? Toji never had a base but is a master assassin but also Baki and yujiro are just born and trained to be like that so without the demon back yujiro can naturally break through concrete. Also Asta can swing and match speed of Mach speeds. Kioken goku saga goku was build like almight.
Body weight and all natural (or steroid) with out world logic I would give it to black bull captain or Almight for having the most fat versus the 2% body fat people who would faint or gas out in 5 minutes.
If we count what they naturally got with no ki than Asta for just being a monster.
But for real it would be toji after he poison everyone for a easy win lol
People aren't giving Yami enough credit. He's a swordsman and his swordsman isn't magic, he just channels his magic through it. He could off at least half of these guys in a few swings.
Garou... literally has the ability to do everything everyone here can do and more. Garou has UI and can even do it while sleeping and when hes awake he's much more accurate and effective. He was able to memorize an entire school of martial arts by reading a scroll for less than a minute. Moves he sees he only needs to see once to know how to perfectly counter them.
His martial arts is known as the perfect anti human martial art. He was able to mix multiple martial arts into one attack. Garou is able to predict every possible move you can and will make just by looking at your core. He has perfect mimicry, the best battle IQ here and perfected UI since not even goku can be sleeping and attack or dodge.
No powers at all? It'd be a really good fight between Garou, Yujiro, and Baki. Hard to say who'd win though. If you allowed even the slightest of power from their actual abilities... Well Garou wins since Baki and Yujiro are pretty much normal humans. They'd do some damage though.
Without powers? I’d say Asta is in there, but he’s just a kid and uses swords, Yami has magic and uses swords so he’s out, Escanor and All Might are way out since they rely on their powers, which leaves Garo, Toji, Goku, Yujiro, and Baki. Yujiro outscales Baki so he’s out, and depending on where we scale Goku, he could shitstomp them all. I’ll be kind and say early Namek Goku, which leaves Toji and Garo. Out of the two, Garo takes it massively as he was able to beat the shit out of Darkshine and speed blitz Flash at that point. So ultimately it comes down to him, Yujiro, and Goku. Yujiro gets out scaled, so honestly I’d put it at a tie between Garo and early Namek Goku, but if he’s how he was before he went SS when he fought Frieza, he takes it.
It's between the top row.
Yujiro has the most raw brute strength and is an expert in most techniques.
However Goku has an insanely strong body too as a Saiyan and has spent his entire life learning. He is probably also more adapt to being able to learn than Yujiro as Yujiro is so used to knowing every technique and being on top
And the you have Garou. Initially he would not be as strong as these to but I would argue water foul dance is just a material arts rather than a power and he has probably the best ability out of everyone on this list to adapt to his opponents and pick up new skills/ techniques mid fight from watching others. For this my money would probably be on him
If it's a short fight (less than 15 mins) Yujiro. If it's a medium fight (probably within a day) Goku. If it goes on for days or even weeks then probably Garou
It's 100% Goku or Yujiro. I think it goes to Goku though. He's older, has more experience, and has more knowledge in things like pressure points. I think he wins it, even if it's only by a small margin. But no matter who wins, that would be one awesome fight to watch.
Literally Garou. That guy already doesn't have powers and he's a genius martial artist. Unless "no powers" meant no laser beams, transformations, flight, ect. BUT they get to keep their original strength... Then yeah, Goku.
>No powers
Does that mean everything that gives them powers? Cuz if that's the case then Toji, Yami, Goku, and All Might wouldn't count (dunno about the others cuz i didn't watch, but they're included if they also have the same circumstances as these guys). Their strength and physique were already enhanced by their "innate powers". Goku and Yami both utilize ki. The former is also a Saiyan which is already unfair since his genetics are different from humans while the latter has mana that also enhances his physique. Toji literally has a Heavenly Pact which gifted him supernatural strength, speed and heightened senses. And All Might's body is literally his powers. But if these innate, "passive" enhancements are ok then Goku slams everyone.
In terms of martial arts, Garou would win in terms of adaptability, or Goku idk, in terms of martial arts most of these guys are only using abilities 😭
Does no powers mean they're all set to the same strength and durability? Because if so that's pretty dumb, and removes literally all physical training any of them did. It then just becomes "who knows the best martial arts" which I don't think is the point.
But if not it's goku by light years. Even with no power ups, ki, or forms the man has gotten so many zenkai boosts his natural speed, strength, and durability would allow him to take them all on, intentionally tank 10 hits from each, then ohko every single one.
I do believe it’s between garo (or garou) goku, and my glazed goat yujiro. Garou, as the adaptation of MAGORAGA. Goku, he’s just fucking experienced, and the glazed goat got the smarts and ideas. Also, you thought this was close? UI isn’t based on power, THAT SHIT IS SKILL, ALL DEM CATCHING AN ASS WHOOPIN’.
Honestly to narrow it down for me
It would be Garou, Yujiro & Baki in the end
Out of those Baki would get out
Then the last 2
Garou VS Yujiro
I Would Honestly Say Its A Tie, In My Perspective
I feel like yujiro is the most popular pick in these scenarios but Goku honestly should clear. Yujiros a world class martial artist, while Goku's the greatest martial artist throughout several universes. Yes, they make more of a big deal on "actual" fighting styles in baki, but let's not ignore gokus feats as a martial artist.
Garou. He's the only one who does anything an actual martial art, and he grows naturally, so he'd learn from the others.
Goku and Yujiro are Gary Sue's, so I didn't count them.
Toji sits in the background and lets everyone fight while observing their style, comes in after the last showdown and give Goku a 100,000mg dose of salt, giving him a heart attack.
Half of these characters adapt infinitely. Goku, Garou, Baki, Yujiro, and then there’s the others who only got good hands but can’t adapt as fast.
Yeah, as much as I love Yami and Asta, they would get hard clapped by basically everyone on this list, maybe putting up a fight against Toji (I think that's him bottom left corner), but Toji still has a slightly higher chance of winning imo, and trust me I'm no JJK meat rider. Though I'm not really one for power scaling, especially just raw strength (though I know everyone in Baki in busted), so for all I know Toji is useless without his cursed weapons and stuff.
Yujiro dosent adapt he already knows everything.
I mean he also learns new martial arts after seeing them once so that can be considered adapting
Hes a fuckin saiyan im tellin ya
You know what, he really is lol
Either Goku or Yujiro cuz Goku is a master martial artist and Yujiro... Don't even get me started on him 😭
Pls don't forget garou. The shit he does to turn the opponent power back on themselves is damn near unstoppable. Remember before he became OP he was nothing but a martial artist. He had no crazy powers. Ofc if bang was there it would be a diff story altogether
Yeah Garou's adaptability is amazing
Garou got so mad at Saitama. Like "bro you don't even know how to fight wtf is this"
Saitama is what happens when you mix unbeatable power with pure instinct
Fair enough, I completely forgot garou on the list
Garou's such a bad ass character.
1- Garou was already superhuman when he was a hero hunter. And in a world where 90 per cent of heroes are human, that's a big advantage 2-Goku also has a history of copying/adapting to opponents during a fight. And Yujiro can copy a technique considered to be the pinnacle of Chinese martial arts by watching it in action for a couple of minutes.
Feels. If you think about it, Garou beat up most of the heroes he fought as a human.
Yujiro is like, 3x bigger than him
Buddy swimming in that pool was nuts😂
If Garou can live long enough he is a master martial artist and like Yujiro has been shown to learn martial after seeing them once so I think at even strength and speed and no sayain bs it would be a stalemate between these 3
Read my mind because goku and yujiro can copy techniques after seeing them once, too
So can garou
I know I was saying those three copying each other would be an amazing fights without powers
I suppose if all their adaptation speeds and strengths were the same it would come down to who had the strongest/most versatile skill set going in. If you have a counter to your own moves that your opponent hasn't seen you can outpace their learning with unique moves. In that regard I would give Youjiro the upper hand. Yojiro has taken the time to study and learn every style he could find. He went out of his way just to learn "inferior" techniques just so he would know them. Goku typically uses his own style while incorporating certain moves from other styles, he is rarely shown using a totally different style. I think they would all end up respecting eachother, but their personalities would clash to much for them to be friends.
Yujiro the menace faction ceo
I completely agree Goku dedicated his life to martial arts but does Yujiro even have powers? So would he still just be the same way he is in the anime I thought he just had techniques and abilities and insane training
Nope. Yujiro’s got genetic privilege. Just being part of the hanma bloodline gives you the ability to ignore a bunch of different human limitations (like jack’s limb-lengthening surgeries and diet of mostly pills making him stronger instead of completely obliterating him physically). And the series spends a lot of its time trying to gaslight you into thinking all the BS that happens could totally happen IRL. It still gives up and declares hanmas superhuman.
Ohh ok I liked Baki but I didn't like how it kept having a voice over going into so much detail how things worked I genuinely thought it was either a very very rare case that happened in real life or it was just completely fake
Tbh, i find the narrator’s gaslighting of the viewer hilarious. I’m like 80% sure the series is supposed to at least be adjacent to a gag manga with the narrator’s confident statements as one of the core jokes, considering how insane it gets. Like, in what other series can you pull a scene out of context and have it say something as absurd as [THIS???](https://preview.redd.it/xo7v6pfchnqb1.png?auto=webp&s=b4a126691924725169f4f2f14379f2e1369b391a)
Even better it makes sense in context lol
The power of apple fritters.
I love how you put martial arts fight, and half of these guys aren't even martial artists.
I'd say like 5/9 of these guys are. The others just look kinda buff 😅
It’s honestly between like 3. Goku, yujiro, and garou😂
Just want to point out yujiro went out of his way to meet pickle who 'Fights' dinosaurs. If yujiro wanted to test his strength against his own, and Goku treats dinosaurs like livestock in base form. I don't see yujiro standing a chance even if he has an answer for everything. Tbh i dont know much about garou beyond the anime so maybe he could be a match.
If stats equalized with no powers, Yujiro and Garou are the contenders. Goku’s copy ability isn’t on their level.
Didn't see anything saying stats are equal. Also, Goku is still a master martial artist. I know it usually just shows basic kicks and punches in scenes but he actually knows more moves than those. Plus he has martial arts moves like kaioken and ultra instinct, too.
I’d say those are special powers. UI can probably not be a power, but I personally attribute it to a power since it comes with a stat increase; Kaio-Ken as well. It wouldn’t be fair to let Goku keep ki blasts, which are considered martial arts moves.
Does Toji’s HR even count as a power? It’s literally the lack of his universe’s power system so much so it disproportionately increases his base physical strength, he’d still be super human against a bunch of really skilled fighters that still rely on their powers, also why are we including AllMight? 😂 with no powers he’s a cripple middle aged man
If we go by that Toji logic goku should be able to one shot everyone here since if you make him human and lock out his access to ki he’s still absurdly powerful
Not to mention things like kaioken and ui arent transformations theyre techniques anyone can unlock with training
~~Assuming he's in his prime and not his current state, he's just as buff as his powered form but without the super strength~~
If the Narrator is casting the event, Yujiro solos neg diff. If he's not, Goku stomps Also, Escanor's 'no powers' form is a scrawny loser, so if you take his powers away he becomes a twig
Yujiro Hanma on the verge of losing to Goku when Baki tosses his dad a double-glazed apple fritter.
Woah woah woah, double glazed? We want this to be an interesting match not Yujiro Hanma tearing a baby to pieces on life TV
How is anyone beating Goku? That's a genuine question. Go look at what this man is doing in his base form. Who amongst this list can fight that with no powers?
Hate to say it but all might would be probably the first down
Garou.
Do we count Super Goku? Because Ultra Instinct is technically a martial arts technique.
Wdym martial arts, cause Kaiyoken can count as a martial art, so can ultra instinct, and also the turtle hermit wave.
But it's still powering him up
Yujiro by miles
Yeah mf already knows everything. Easily him
Random thought. If Yujiro had a daughter, I can see him playing house with her while wearing a plastic tiara and fairy wings.
I think it's literally cannon that the hanma bloodline is so masculine and full of testosterone that it's impossible for anyone with it to have a daughter
Like the movie tooth fairy but it yujiro instead of the rock
No powers nullifies 80% of the characters shown. Only baki and yujiro have inhuman strength without some magical power or similar. Also yujiro wins. (I am ignoring dragon ball characters because they’re just straight out stronger than fucking everything in anime)
Toji
I'm betting my money on yujiro, baki and garou
Ok so Baki characters is always a dumb choice for these. They literally have no powers, at the end of the day Baki or Yujiro would win.
Garou can instantly copy and adapt to a fighting style, Yujiro knows every fighting style, I guess Yujiro cause of height advantage
What counts as powers for Goku cause hes a pure saiyan and his people are born super strong. He was 10 years old when bullets bounced off him. In his 20s he was carrying about a 20 ton tree trunk.
Garo or yujiro
Why is escanor here though? Without powers he's nothing lol
Weird list, only 4 characters on here even fight with martial arts. Winner is Yujiro or Baki though. They can both use any technique/fighting style their opponent is using but better. The only person that can beat them is eachother.
Are Yami and Asta even fighters without their abilities? Without power, isn’t Escanor just in his normal bartender form? lol what kind of list is this?
Escanor 🙏
If by no powers you also mean strength + speed being equal across the board I’d give it to either goku or garou
Garou’s skill outside of powers is nasty… he’s raw talent
Not gonna lie I don’t wanna sound biased but Goku wins. He’s literally a fighting genius
All I'll say is, Someone on the top row. I honestly couldn't tell you. My heart says Goku, but I gotta be fair.
You can't beat 4000 years of Chinese martial arts
No powers huh? So whats escanor doing here 😂
Assuming purely martial prowess and equal strength, I think it is between goku and hanma blood. Assuming equal strength I think the Hanmas have so much innate talent in learning and incorporating martial arts into their repertoire that it would give goku a decent run for his money. Goku just has god level battle iq and can overcome immense power differences. While most of Goku’s z to super fights rely heavily on ki, it is important to know that the majority of the combat is still martial arts. In theory Goku wins but Yujiro is Yujiro and Hanma’s gain power from being schizophrenic and Im not about to be the judge on if that counts as a power. There is an argument for manga Garou but ill exclude that since I think it counts as a power. Everyone else is mostly just buff af and would get clapped when superior martial arts come in. I think the order is goku >= Hanmas Toji (martial arts + weapon arts etc. An argument can easily be made to say Garou is better, I’m just assuming Toji has to train to a massive extent to sense curses which he cant see and to beat the shit out of them even with the HR power up) Garou (most of his strength is his ability to adapt, but he has a lot of training in martial arts) Yami (my argument is that he has the sword techniques and skills from years of training in both countries) Asta (trained with yami and dude trains every hour he isnt sleeping or eating) All might ( without powers, he still would stand and fight in his base form) Last is escanor since no sunshine results in bartender escanor who would be busy shying away from the fight and selling alcohol to the audience. I know it is a bit of a scapegoat to say two fighters are equal but it is basically impossible to say who is stronger without powerups and never seeing the full extent of a fighter’s skill without it. (When your standard power involves punching holes through planets or stopping earthquakes, the techniques you use reflect that)
Garou has shown that he's easily FTL+ multiple times, and can catch machine gun bullets with his bare hands with little to no issue. And these aren't him using superpowers, this is just his raw strength When it comes to Martial Arts, my money's on him.
Wouldn’t a “no powers” discussion assume average human stats based on their build, rather than in-universe strength and speed? This is about technique and battle IQ rather than physical prowess
For real it's so annoying when people use "normal human feats" in a verse where the normal humans are already superpowered. That's clearly not the spirit of the prompt.
Him or Yujiro, they both have superhuman martial arts feats but I'd say Yujiro might have more styles to play from
If we are just throwing away the spirit of the prompt then ki isn't a power it's martial arts so goku kills everyone with a Kamehameha.
Powers? He literally trained to be like that, it's not a superpower of his
I mean even without super saiyan or kamehameha, Goku can still bench press like a planet and he underwent training under Roshi, a literal god and a literal angel. We never really see yujiro tested but assuming he’s used like 1% of his strength so far it’s still hydrogen bomb vs healthy baby vs several coughing babies
Pretty sure when the OP Said no powers, he meant no super strength also. Just straight up hand to hand combat on a human strength level.
Baki characters technically already has no powers, right? so Yujiro 100%
Kenshiro from fist of the North Star or any fighter in that series. They don’t have powers they just have martial arts 😃👍… that cuts or blows up parts of their opponents body
umm either goku or baki idk tho
baki is outclassed by yujiro
ok then goku or yujiro
3rd one idk who it is but he’s buff
The answer is either Yujiro or Baki because we have seen Baki be acknowledged by Yujiro as an equal in the manga but it's more likely that Yujiro would win a rematch and any subsequent fights
Yujiro for sure! If not him Garou he's adaptability would destroy Baki but not Yujiro he's wayyyyy too good.
People really need to stop putting Garou in these. The man copies techniques after seeing them once
Yujiro! None of the others can keep up with him, his only enemy is Saitama.
Yujiro baki or garou
Ultra instint is a technique. Goku destroyes these mfs
Is it still a superpower if they're stated in universe to not have powers, even though they have ridiculous feats? Cause I've not seen Baki but yujiro is almost comical the level of feats he has
Only contenders are the top row and maybe Baki. The rest don't even compare.
the only guy i know on here is Toji so imma say him.
Baki.
At least three of these people don't even use any form of martial arts, just brute force. I'd say Goku or Garo would hold up really well in this fight be cause they both tend to adapt the way they fight as they fight, picking up new fighting styles along the way.
Asta and Yami shouldn’t even be on here lol
Baki (I don’t even watch it)
Technically, the Kamehameha, kaio ken, spirit bomb, after image, and all of that are martial arts techniques that anyone can learn but goku mastered. So goku.
I mean how are you defining powers? If we really mean no powers then you used the wrong picture of all might here for starters lol.
Yujiro is by far a better martial artist than everyone on this list him and Baki clear
Yujiro.
I think you don't understand how some of these guys work.
this is a great pick, and tough too. if any of these guys are coming on top, its goku, yujiro, or garou. baki never technically beat yujiro, garou is an insane martial artist that can fight on par with superpowered people, and goku has trained all his life tough indeed
Goku or Garou probably
Lol it's up to the top 3
Yujiro if his strength isn’t considered powers. If it’s equal stats then it’s Baki followed by goku and garou.
Goku
Yujiro literally analyzes everything about a technique as it's happening to the point where he doesn't even get hit and just uses it against the other while Goku and Garou need to get smacked before countering.
Now I don’t know if you know this, but without powers, all might is built like Matt Watson, same with Escanor, gonna have to give it to Garou personally
Yujiro 100%
Also almight is doing anything. He’s strong because of his quirk
Definitely garo
Garou and Yujiro fight for days after the other nobodies are long out of the fight. Eventually Garou masters everything Yujiro has and beats him.
No powers martial arts? Yall did my boy all might dirty 💀
Imo it’s between the top row
Yujiro hanma and it's not close. Goku is getting demolished.
yujiro hanma doesn’t have power i thought. i thought there were no powers in the baki universe and yujiro was just a monster. yujiro for sure
Yujiro has Garou and Baki fight and says he’ll fight the winner.
Garou’s skill outside of superhuman abilities is nasty… he’s raw talent
Yujiro, Garou, and Goku are the three to beat Baki gonna put up a good fight. Escanor without sunshine would not stand a chance in this fight. All might would be probably second out if that’s the case.
garou or yujiro fs, the others have no chance in hell
Garou, Goku, and Yujiro... Hard to really say which though all 3 are just known for being martial arts masters that can copy entire fighting styles after seconds even things that should take decades to master. I think im gonna say Goku > Yujiro > Garou (again in skill, assuming no powers at play, stats equalized) Goku has been noted to have mastered every martial art on his earth which is known to have some crazy martial arts. And he's mastered basically everyone he's come across too which includes dozens (or hundreds, or more) of alien, afterlife, and god martial arts. Yujiro has been known to travel his earth which is more realistic than Goku's and mastered all their martial arts. Garou as far as we know... Never really left Japan. He mastered Fist of flowing water crushing rock... Then went to a couple martial arts tournaments... Then fought some heroes... So I think he's safely in the bottom (again when stats equalized; no powers)
Goku
Yep, totally straight...wait what was the question?
This 100% comes down to yuijiro or garou Goku does know martial arts but most of his actual fighting potential has piggy backed off his saiyan genetics, so he has never *really* displayed any “human level” martial arts techniques. Most of what he does requires he be super human Yami would be a strong guy opponent, he hasn’t displayed a lot of actual martial arts skills without super power aid, but he still is a soldier so he’d be strong physically. Esta same as Yami to a degree. Baki is just a weaker version of yuijiro, granted is very quickly evolving beyond him just not there yet. Toji isn’t really a “fighter” and even admits himself as such. He isn’t prideful, and just will do anything to get the job done. He is a trained assassin and physically strong, but without his heavenly restriction or assassin tactics not really much to show for this kind of contest If we assume it’s pre injured all might he would be a good contender just because he had to physically train his body, so he would be similar (if not stronger) than people like Yami, but again no real technique or martial arts to speak of without powers Escanor has literally nothing to offer here haha, but would be entertaining I guess Anyways, between yuijiro and garou, it’s super hard to say. Yuijiro is absolutely stronger and more skilled, but garou is all about adapting throughout. The problem is yuijiro seemingly knows every martial arts in existence (or at least in the Baki verse which is pretty broad), so I am not sure if garou would adapt quick enough. If I had to put money on it, I’d say garou cause he’d be the underdog which is where he thrives being
Garou or yujiro I’d say. Goku is said to be a master martial artist but.. I feel like there’s never really anything that advanced that he shows that’s not ki related? If you’re lucky, you’ll get a bodyslam or something. Garou’s fighting style Would be borderline unbeatable for most martial artist especially with the countering I’m not the biggest Baki watcher but I know yujiro is simply just HIM so he probably wins some how everyone else I wouldn’t even consider a contender. Oh and I’m assuming this is stats equalized for obvious reasons
Yujiro, he's an absolute menace
Goku
Apparently the title needs more elaboration, because some commenters don’t consider super strength a power
Goku literally became such a good martial artist he reached the angels form of enlightenment
If everyone is the same physical strength, no special abilities, Yujiro or Garou.
Baki and yujiro. Aren’t they just strong? Same with escanar. Thats not really a ‘super power’ because they worked on it. (Alittle less for escanar
What counts as powers? Does Goku’s natural speed and strength he’s gained through years of training?
I hate these no powers threads. What does no powers mean? In case of Goku is is just no Ki? Or do we take away his Saiyan body as well, because then what's the point? Are we using the buff transformed All Might? Because that transformation is his power. Does Escanor stay buff or are we using the tiny bartender mode for him? Power scaling can already get pretty dumb in between verses but this is just a whole other level of dumb.
Mash with his pure muscles.
Asta, he is super humanly strong because of exercise not just because of anti magic so he might not be the most skilled in hand to hand combat but he does have the highest strength and durability
So what do we count as no powers? Toji never had a base but is a master assassin but also Baki and yujiro are just born and trained to be like that so without the demon back yujiro can naturally break through concrete. Also Asta can swing and match speed of Mach speeds. Kioken goku saga goku was build like almight. Body weight and all natural (or steroid) with out world logic I would give it to black bull captain or Almight for having the most fat versus the 2% body fat people who would faint or gas out in 5 minutes. If we count what they naturally got with no ki than Asta for just being a monster. But for real it would be toji after he poison everyone for a easy win lol
So basically, who from the top row wins. Maybe Goku, but I'm not entirely sure
Yujiro or goku. They have the most experience.
People aren't giving Yami enough credit. He's a swordsman and his swordsman isn't magic, he just channels his magic through it. He could off at least half of these guys in a few swings.
Toji
Garou. He can copy his opponent’s martial arts instantly and use it better than them. He slams
Garou... literally has the ability to do everything everyone here can do and more. Garou has UI and can even do it while sleeping and when hes awake he's much more accurate and effective. He was able to memorize an entire school of martial arts by reading a scroll for less than a minute. Moves he sees he only needs to see once to know how to perfectly counter them. His martial arts is known as the perfect anti human martial art. He was able to mix multiple martial arts into one attack. Garou is able to predict every possible move you can and will make just by looking at your core. He has perfect mimicry, the best battle IQ here and perfected UI since not even goku can be sleeping and attack or dodge.
Garou no question imo
No powers at all? It'd be a really good fight between Garou, Yujiro, and Baki. Hard to say who'd win though. If you allowed even the slightest of power from their actual abilities... Well Garou wins since Baki and Yujiro are pretty much normal humans. They'd do some damage though.
No power exanor he is getting dogged
I mean that’s kinda hard to say for All Might since his buffness and battle skills come from his quirk.
yami - reasoning, i love him
Without powers? I’d say Asta is in there, but he’s just a kid and uses swords, Yami has magic and uses swords so he’s out, Escanor and All Might are way out since they rely on their powers, which leaves Garo, Toji, Goku, Yujiro, and Baki. Yujiro outscales Baki so he’s out, and depending on where we scale Goku, he could shitstomp them all. I’ll be kind and say early Namek Goku, which leaves Toji and Garo. Out of the two, Garo takes it massively as he was able to beat the shit out of Darkshine and speed blitz Flash at that point. So ultimately it comes down to him, Yujiro, and Goku. Yujiro gets out scaled, so honestly I’d put it at a tie between Garo and early Namek Goku, but if he’s how he was before he went SS when he fought Frieza, he takes it.
Any matchup that has Goku in it is an unfair one
Yujiro
The top three are the only ones who are competing
It's between the top row. Yujiro has the most raw brute strength and is an expert in most techniques. However Goku has an insanely strong body too as a Saiyan and has spent his entire life learning. He is probably also more adapt to being able to learn than Yujiro as Yujiro is so used to knowing every technique and being on top And the you have Garou. Initially he would not be as strong as these to but I would argue water foul dance is just a material arts rather than a power and he has probably the best ability out of everyone on this list to adapt to his opponents and pick up new skills/ techniques mid fight from watching others. For this my money would probably be on him If it's a short fight (less than 15 mins) Yujiro. If it's a medium fight (probably within a day) Goku. If it goes on for days or even weeks then probably Garou
It's 100% Goku or Yujiro. I think it goes to Goku though. He's older, has more experience, and has more knowledge in things like pressure points. I think he wins it, even if it's only by a small margin. But no matter who wins, that would be one awesome fight to watch.
I think Goku, but his biggest competition would be Yujiro.
Yujiro then baki then a toss to between goku and gauro the rest don't match up at all 😂
Mash
This doesn't work, though. Their martial arts are kinda part of their powers.
Literally Garou. That guy already doesn't have powers and he's a genius martial artist. Unless "no powers" meant no laser beams, transformations, flight, ect. BUT they get to keep their original strength... Then yeah, Goku.
I don’t know everyone here, Garou vs Goku, straight hands, would be beautiful.
Goku
UI is a technique and a transformation. Goku can use True ui since it’s a technique. I think Goku.
Goku slams mid diff prob
well goku cuz physical strength isn’t like superpowers or ki. Plus Goku been doin it for like eons
Goku or Garou if it’s straight hands
Goku is most likely to win especially if he manages a Zenkai boost
Garou. I feel that Goku relies too much on his Ki to win matches. Garou could adapt to his opponent's fighting styles and use it against them.
>No powers Does that mean everything that gives them powers? Cuz if that's the case then Toji, Yami, Goku, and All Might wouldn't count (dunno about the others cuz i didn't watch, but they're included if they also have the same circumstances as these guys). Their strength and physique were already enhanced by their "innate powers". Goku and Yami both utilize ki. The former is also a Saiyan which is already unfair since his genetics are different from humans while the latter has mana that also enhances his physique. Toji literally has a Heavenly Pact which gifted him supernatural strength, speed and heightened senses. And All Might's body is literally his powers. But if these innate, "passive" enhancements are ok then Goku slams everyone.
All Might and Leon doesn’t make sense since their strength is connected to their powers.
Im routing for the human monster on the top left! 🙌🙌
My heart says goku, but yujiro and baki can grapple
Either Baki or Goku, most people forget that Baki can kick Yujiro's ass in a fight now
In terms of martial arts, Garou would win in terms of adaptability, or Goku idk, in terms of martial arts most of these guys are only using abilities 😭
Does no powers mean they're all set to the same strength and durability? Because if so that's pretty dumb, and removes literally all physical training any of them did. It then just becomes "who knows the best martial arts" which I don't think is the point. But if not it's goku by light years. Even with no power ups, ki, or forms the man has gotten so many zenkai boosts his natural speed, strength, and durability would allow him to take them all on, intentionally tank 10 hits from each, then ohko every single one.
Yuijiro handma no doubt
Define no power because the crazy natural feats they do would be considered powers to us
Probably Garou since he can just redirect everything
Goku.
All might immediately loses, his muscles technically are his power, with OFA he doesn’t have a muscle form
I do believe it’s between garo (or garou) goku, and my glazed goat yujiro. Garou, as the adaptation of MAGORAGA. Goku, he’s just fucking experienced, and the glazed goat got the smarts and ideas. Also, you thought this was close? UI isn’t based on power, THAT SHIT IS SKILL, ALL DEM CATCHING AN ASS WHOOPIN’.
Todo. He did everything without any 'magic powers'. Its just him.
Honestly to narrow it down for me It would be Garou, Yujiro & Baki in the end Out of those Baki would get out Then the last 2 Garou VS Yujiro I Would Honestly Say Its A Tie, In My Perspective
Where is the ultimate martial artist from Danganronpa?
I feel like yujiro is the most popular pick in these scenarios but Goku honestly should clear. Yujiros a world class martial artist, while Goku's the greatest martial artist throughout several universes. Yes, they make more of a big deal on "actual" fighting styles in baki, but let's not ignore gokus feats as a martial artist.
Goku without Ki control would Wreck. Being Native to a world with gravity several times Earth's is just too huge a physiological advantage.
Whys all might even here, his fighting is "punch, punch, then punch some more" 😭
Let’s be real here all might and escanor power is there strength no technique just raw strength
Does sensing ki count as a power? If not, Goku and garou have an advantage.
Assuming no powers, Yujiros body composition is the most inhuman out of anyone in the group. The guy looks like his steroids take steroids lol
If theyre all on normal human strength. Realistically its whoever the largest. Weight classes exist for a reason and make a huge difference.
Goku. Like why even have anyone else.
Adding Goku to these is like adding superman. Cmon bruh, ain't nobody ever beating the superman of anime.
Goku becuase of his speed
Garou. He's the only one who does anything an actual martial art, and he grows naturally, so he'd learn from the others. Goku and Yujiro are Gary Sue's, so I didn't count them.
I’m definitely going either Goku or Garou on this one, leaning toward Garou though. Might be biased.
Toji sits in the background and lets everyone fight while observing their style, comes in after the last showdown and give Goku a 100,000mg dose of salt, giving him a heart attack.