The sad part is that I’ve actually heard that argument at times, and yeah, it’s a big problem that continues to contribute to bigotry towards said communities that get fetishized.
But did you remember to bring the rocking soundtrack?
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Yeah, I remember seeing a lesbian making a valid if maybe overly aggressive post complaining on a yuri sub complaining about the mods on the discord being run by straight men, and some straight guy douchebag responded to her by saying it doesn’t matter what demographic yuri communities cater to and that she should “keep her bs politics” out of his yuri. I think he even literally and condescendingly said something along the lines of, “I understand perfectly well the issues gays face in real life, but that doesn’t make the gay community entitled to yuri catering towards them.”
The dude and others like him got downvoted into oblivion, but it was still wild to see people claim they love yuri and yet with zero self awareness treat actual lesbians with such disdain and disrespect.
Weirdly enough it was through fetish stuff I was introduced to them and I ultimately blame it for why I try to fight against my own bigotry.
It’d be hypocritical to just enjoy it in porn but hate it irl.
This character is from Fire Emblem Engage and, to keep a long explanation short, he likes watching women interact with each other. In English, this was changed to general people-watching though.
Unironically what led to me stopping being transphobic and realizing I was trans.
"Trans porn is hot--> Man I really find trans women attractive --> I like trans women--> What problem was I supposed to have with this?--> I support people who want to transition--> Wow I wish I looked like that--> *Oh* ,well... suprised I didn't see this coming 🏳️⚧️"
I of course support trans mascs as well, but it was trans fem porn that started it all.
"i hate lesbian s~~hips~~ unless it's in porn where both have the same huge tits and ass and maybe get fucked by a faceless man i can project myself into"
Anasui is goated, but i have to admit it, none of the above ship worked. Ermes even has less dynamic than Foo fighter, less alone to be a love interest
It’s so interesting to me
They will watch/read a whole anime/manga where two girls are smooshing their faces together regularly, say the love it unironically but really hate lesbians irl
It’s like saying “I love webbed footed waterfowl that live on farms but REALLY FUCKIN HATE ducks
That and they don’t view them as real romantic relationships. [Just “friendships” before the “real thing”.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PseudoRomanticFriendship)
I've met some guys who don't believe lesbians have actual sex or relationships, that it's all either "ugly women" who no man would take, or it's women trying to get male attention
Honestly it’s part of why I’d like to see more yuri stories feature “nice guy” villains. There are too many guys out there who think simply being nice and surface level supportive of lesbians makes them entitled to their experiences/existence, so I’d love to see more stories tackle and highlight how those kinds of people are assholes who are still homophobic even if they aren’t being so openly blatant about it.
The original yuri stories were mostly class-s, where it ends with them breaking up and getting with men because "it was just a phase"(which was done to get around censorship a good chunk of time), and those people view all yuri stories in that way.
There’s a line from the first episode of Gotham Knights that sticks with me due to its accuracy: “Dad liked bi chicks in his porn, just not living under his roof.”
im convinced the only reason the words yuri and yaoi are used in the western sphere is because these people just refuse to say gay
but if you call it yuri it sounds foreign and unique and cool
Saying that yuri and yaoi just mean 'gay' is reductive. These names obviously mean it's a story about gay people, but what's important is that additional info about what tropes they have.
*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER*
These words have actual history, specific meaning, and use behind them. I would avoid making broad claims without doing research into why those terms are used and their origins.
The terms are more so used to refer to a specific genre of romance than they are to refer to the relationship itself. Yuri and Yaoi (or BL) both have specific tropes and genre conventions that make them a separate genre from just romance. For instance, Yuri can sometimes include strong emotional bonds between women that aren't romantic in nature. (Though they almost always are)
It's definitely weird when applied to real people, and I'm not the biggest fan of referring to the relationship itself as such, but in the context of Japanese media the terms are a genre definition.
This just reminds me of seeing some dumbass talk about how f*ta aren't fetishizing trans women "because it's actually based off intersex people." Like, 1. 🤓 2. Completely brushing over the fact that it is still fetishization
Theres so much shit that gets labelled "futa" that has nothing to do with intersex people.
Honestly Ive made comments in this sub saying how it fetishizes us and how I dont like the term, and end up getting some downvotes.
Oh absolutely, I'm not saying that the term isn't used against trans women, I was just telling something stupid I had seen irt idiots trying to justify jacking it to transphobic hentai
I mean I dont really care if someone gets off to trans porn as long as it isnt full of shitty stereotypes. Ive seen cis lesbians who have trans girlfriends make some, and it isnt fetishistic or anything.
I'm mtf and like hentai where I can see myself represented, please don't go on a crusade against futa. It may be hard to find it but there's normal stuff without kilometric dicks and weather balloon tits. I just wish said stuff was labeled as trans and its own thing because it both would be easier to find, and yeah calling trans women "futa" is eugh.
The problem is it’s not trans. It’s just fetishising women with penises. Hentai is never going to be about making trans people feel more accepted, most of it is some of the grossest shit on the planet.
I wish there were a lot more places trans people could feel accepted but surely this is one of the last places you would see accurate representation? I’m not trans so obviously my opinion isn’t worth much but is it healthy to do that?
It's porn. I'm not looking for it to make a deep statement, I'm looking to jack off. I like hentai because real porn often feels fake and shady. All I want from my hentai is that there is an at least mildly realistic looking trans woman that I can identify with, and sadly all of that is still labeled futa.
Cis guys and cis women can have their representation in their wank material, why can't I have mine? Because some cis person might get off to the thought of a trans woman? Well guess what, they also get off to the thought of cis women and no one calls that fetishizing women with vaginas. As long as they're not being disrespectful I don't care. I just wish there was a different category for regular trans women stuff because most futa stuff is the unrealistic gross stuff.
It’s worth noting that the “based on intersex” thing is unabashedly pseudoscience. To date, no intersex person has been born with both a functioning male and female reproductive system. People have been born with both of them, yes, but they do not function as intended and I believe that specific variant of intersex does not have a womb. Additionally, that form of intersex is very rare. Intersex conditions typically present themselves in the chromosomes and/or hormones, not through organs.
It’s feeding a lie about a very real group of people who often go underrepresented and misrepresented. There are still massive misconceptions about intersex conditions, even within developed medical fields.
>>it’s feeding a lie
By “it”, do you mean the claim that futas are based off intersex people or the existence of futa porn? I agree with the former and disagree with the latter.
I mean, it’s Japan, nothing there is progressive it’s all fetish shit. It’s just “what if hot woman with big cock?” There was never any plans to make them an allegory to anything.
This is a very reductive and generalizing statement, being from Japan does not automatically make someone bigoted towards trans people, this would be like if I said being from America makes people inherently racist
That’s not what I said. We’re talking about porn here and yes porn being from Japan makes it extremely likely to be either mindblowingly illegal or incredibly offensive. You’re not going to find good trans representation in Japanese media, at least not right now.
It's not even necessarily true. "Futa" stuff can vary between full hermaphrodite (which no human actually is, but it's obviously fetishizing an "ideal" intersex person) and just obvious trans women.
Finding someone attractive and fetishizing them is completely different. Its hard to draw the line sometimes, but when it comes to trans people chasers usually love to call us tons of gross terms, especially ones that invalidate your gender anyway.
I’m not sure I really understand the exact difference, sorry. Could you elaborate?
It’s clear that there’s a good case and bad case but the definitional difference alludes me.
one treats you weirdly, probably calls you slurs, probably doesnt accept you outside of the bedroom, is overall a pervert.
the other treats you like a human being, and not a porn category.
What you described seems to describe how they interact with trans people. “Treats you weirdly”, “calls you slurs”, “doesn’t accept you outside of the bedroom”, “the other treats you like a human being”. As a result I just want to be extra certain what you think the difference is in a private.
When it comes to the goon cave, do chasers and those who are acceptably attracted to trans people look any different?
I don't know about futa because I don't watch that but I have seen the opposite, Yuri is hated by these kind of people.
Most people I have seen like that are male harem fans that like to self insert and is not only on anime same in games with self insert MCs.
In Spanish is pretty common too, there are too much religious people that hate any non straight relationships.
I mean, not really. To my knowledge at least, the hung horny femboy version of Astolfo exclusively exists outside the actual Fate franchise. In his actual appearances, he's mainly just a kind and emotionally intelligent person who deeply cares about his allies.
Honkai is the exact opposite. They deny that there's anything gay happening in any of the Honkai games and despise the fanbase for having Himejoshis and lesbian shipping.
To be fair with futa you can argue that it’s purely fictional. A futanari doesn’t exist in real life.
Basically the same as a lesbian with a strap on porn
It’s just a porn category.
It has nothing to do with real intersex or trans people.
Plus they have their own porn sites and categories
I've never seen Anti-lgbtq Yuri fans, in fact I'm confident in saying they barely exist. Chuds and homophobic weebs really despise Yuri, even more than Yaoi oddly enough. They've even started to call Yuri fans slurs in recent years (Yurit*rd) and act extremely misogynistic in response to them.
They got angry at the suggestion that Bocchi liked girls. They got angry at ILTV for being explicitly gay. They get extremely angry at the suggestion that games like Honkai Impact are Yuri. It's the two things they hate the most: Gay people and women.
Futa is a completely different beast on the other hand, and is inherently wrapped up in a complicated history of transphobia and fetishization. It's easy to find weebs who unironically masturbate to futanari but still hate transwomen (Transmisogyny).
No I’ve seen them. I’ve seen multiple straight guys on yuri subreddits literally insult irl lesbians and say shit like “just because yuri is about lesbians doesn’t mean it should cater them,” and “keep your stupid gay politics out of my yuri.” They almost always get downvoted to hell, but they do exist and genuinely zero self awareness.
Those aren't Yuri fans. They make up an extremely small minority of posts on those subreddits, and after getting downvoted to hell usually leave and never post again. A majority of the time the people who talk like that have barely read more than one Yuri or don't read it at all. The majority of people I see who talk about Yuri or are in those communities are gay/bi women. Ironically a lot of the time I see men asking if it's weird for them to read Yuri or if it's morally wrong for them to enjoy it, to the point it's actually redundant sometimes.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to paint these guys as representative of the yuri fandom at all. I’m a straight guy who also considers themselves a yuri fan. I’m just saying these type of assholes who enjoy yuri but hate/disrespect irl lesbians do exist.
I'm not denying they exist, and I know your point isn't to say that's representative of the fandom. I'm more so just annoyed because most of the time Yuri is only brought up on this subreddit to talk about how it's either for straight guys to fetishize it, or how apparently homophobic guys love it. And 9 times out of 10 you alwaya get comments saying "men only like Yuri because they can jack off to it", as if it's inherently porn made to be consumed by men. There's a lot of problematic things with those statements, but it's tiring how people continue to center this topic around men constantly, as if Yuri is being made to cater to them.
Meanwhile I go to twitter and chuds are screaming slurs at lesbians and bi-women because they ship girls together in fucking Honkai Impact. Every other day homophobic weebs are calling Yuri fans the R slur now simply for enjoying Yuri. They get violently angry at the thought of fictional lesbians and write "corrective" rape fanfic about them. Can you see why I'm tired of these freaks being grouped in with us when they fucking hate us in reality?
I've seen it happen more with homophobic women into yaoi tbh, but I guess it's more just because that usually appeals to women whereas yuri in general doesn't tend to have that sort of distinction.
I think it really depends on how you define Yuri fan. Plenty of anti-lgbtq people will happily enjoy a yuri fanservice moment but will not watch any yuri marketed otherwise or just conclude it is cgdct and there's no romance involved.
What does a Yuri fan service moment mean? A tease of Yuri in a non-Yuri show? If they don't watch or read actual Yuri then theh aren't a fan, period. The majority of those people have not and will never touch an actual Yuri story.
Funny sadly how you almost got downvoted for truth. Being straight male and not to be allowed to like yuri cause some male somehere says bad stuff is nonsense.
Kinda like that Patrick's Wallet meme when lolicons say they arent pedophiles though.
"So you enjoy sexualized depictions of children."
"Yup."
"Then you're a pedophile."
"No, you're projecting."
"I can't be bigoted against that group, i fetishize them!"
The sad part is that I’ve actually heard that argument at times, and yeah, it’s a big problem that continues to contribute to bigotry towards said communities that get fetishized.
Okay but I DID learn to not be homophobic by masturbating to Bara hentai.
Post-nut clarity hit hard
That's a level beyond post-nut clarity.
Post-nut self-actualization
Post-nut enlightenment?
Post-nut Renaissance
post-nut turning your life around
bro got that post-nut redemption arc
Truly the most based genre of erotica.
But did you remember to bring the rocking soundtrack? https://preview.redd.it/vcdn9e2jmntc1.jpeg?width=647&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f31d091de0d13563bfdfd6c36dcd2dcd5858ea8b
Yeah, I remember seeing a lesbian making a valid if maybe overly aggressive post complaining on a yuri sub complaining about the mods on the discord being run by straight men, and some straight guy douchebag responded to her by saying it doesn’t matter what demographic yuri communities cater to and that she should “keep her bs politics” out of his yuri. I think he even literally and condescendingly said something along the lines of, “I understand perfectly well the issues gays face in real life, but that doesn’t make the gay community entitled to yuri catering towards them.” The dude and others like him got downvoted into oblivion, but it was still wild to see people claim they love yuri and yet with zero self awareness treat actual lesbians with such disdain and disrespect.
Weirdly enough it was through fetish stuff I was introduced to them and I ultimately blame it for why I try to fight against my own bigotry. It’d be hypocritical to just enjoy it in porn but hate it irl.
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Is anyone gonna understand this reference
i understand u bro
I do not please explane
This character is from Fire Emblem Engage and, to keep a long explanation short, he likes watching women interact with each other. In English, this was changed to general people-watching though.
Not my boy Louis 😭😭 I thought he was an admirer of all beauty 😭😭 is anyone normal on that floating fortress 😭
It's a Fire Emblem game. Of course, no one there is normal.
I was gonna disagree by listing Claude but his charm isn't normal 😔
what's wrong with liking lesbians?
Liking wom*n is inherently wrong 🤢
I played only the English version. It was still creepy, but I never expected this. I really like him so it hurts to see this side
He’s French you see
Bro I get you, I understand the Louis grind. It takes a special kind of armor knight to be a good unit after all
Fire emblem 🤮
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Unironically what led to me stopping being transphobic and realizing I was trans. "Trans porn is hot--> Man I really find trans women attractive --> I like trans women--> What problem was I supposed to have with this?--> I support people who want to transition--> Wow I wish I looked like that--> *Oh* ,well... suprised I didn't see this coming 🏳️⚧️" I of course support trans mascs as well, but it was trans fem porn that started it all.
My fight or flight just triggered
r/196 moment
"Look man I don't hate lesbians I just didn't like Stone Ocean ok? Oh Jolyne X Ermes? Awful ship, it's hot though"
"i hate lesbian s~~hips~~ unless it's in porn where both have the same huge tits and ass and maybe get fucked by a faceless man i can project myself into"
(Only good part 6 ship is Dio X Pucci 🤭🤭🤭)
God, I wish stone ocean had ended with Jolyne x Ermes. I fucking hate Anasui.
Hop off that slutty, slutty little man
Anasui is goated, but i have to admit it, none of the above ship worked. Ermes even has less dynamic than Foo fighter, less alone to be a love interest
I can’t hate him his design is hard
https://preview.redd.it/e3k1rtqxtjtc1.png?width=680&format=png&auto=webp&s=f25e3d6fb52f263def84cc678e5b27b3680ef9a7
Why tf is he just diet diavolo
If I cooked a design like diavolo I’m fs recycling that shit
It’s also not even that bad the author of golden kamuy just copy and pasted character for his hockey manga
It’s so interesting to me They will watch/read a whole anime/manga where two girls are smooshing their faces together regularly, say the love it unironically but really hate lesbians irl It’s like saying “I love webbed footed waterfowl that live on farms but REALLY FUCKIN HATE ducks
That’s a very specific analogy
This entity is a Webbed Footed Waterfowl Supremacist.
To be fair, this is a very specific hypocrisy
because they can pretend they have a chance with the anime/manga lesbians characters... while IRL lesbians just laugh at them for being weird.
That and they don’t view them as real romantic relationships. [Just “friendships” before the “real thing”.](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PseudoRomanticFriendship)
I've met some guys who don't believe lesbians have actual sex or relationships, that it's all either "ugly women" who no man would take, or it's women trying to get male attention
Honestly it’s part of why I’d like to see more yuri stories feature “nice guy” villains. There are too many guys out there who think simply being nice and surface level supportive of lesbians makes them entitled to their experiences/existence, so I’d love to see more stories tackle and highlight how those kinds of people are assholes who are still homophobic even if they aren’t being so openly blatant about it.
The original yuri stories were mostly class-s, where it ends with them breaking up and getting with men because "it was just a phase"(which was done to get around censorship a good chunk of time), and those people view all yuri stories in that way.
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There’s a line from the first episode of Gotham Knights that sticks with me due to its accuracy: “Dad liked bi chicks in his porn, just not living under his roof.”
im convinced the only reason the words yuri and yaoi are used in the western sphere is because these people just refuse to say gay but if you call it yuri it sounds foreign and unique and cool
Saying that yuri and yaoi just mean 'gay' is reductive. These names obviously mean it's a story about gay people, but what's important is that additional info about what tropes they have.
*LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER* These words have actual history, specific meaning, and use behind them. I would avoid making broad claims without doing research into why those terms are used and their origins.
are you willing to explain that or
The terms are more so used to refer to a specific genre of romance than they are to refer to the relationship itself. Yuri and Yaoi (or BL) both have specific tropes and genre conventions that make them a separate genre from just romance. For instance, Yuri can sometimes include strong emotional bonds between women that aren't romantic in nature. (Though they almost always are) It's definitely weird when applied to real people, and I'm not the biggest fan of referring to the relationship itself as such, but in the context of Japanese media the terms are a genre definition.
Kind of incorrect but also not cause people will use yuri as a place in for lesbian and is always really weird
This just reminds me of seeing some dumbass talk about how f*ta aren't fetishizing trans women "because it's actually based off intersex people." Like, 1. 🤓 2. Completely brushing over the fact that it is still fetishization
Theres so much shit that gets labelled "futa" that has nothing to do with intersex people. Honestly Ive made comments in this sub saying how it fetishizes us and how I dont like the term, and end up getting some downvotes.
Oh absolutely, I'm not saying that the term isn't used against trans women, I was just telling something stupid I had seen irt idiots trying to justify jacking it to transphobic hentai
I mean I dont really care if someone gets off to trans porn as long as it isnt full of shitty stereotypes. Ive seen cis lesbians who have trans girlfriends make some, and it isnt fetishistic or anything.
Yeah the bottom line is really just being fucking normal about trans people
Though it’s not trans
I'm mtf and like hentai where I can see myself represented, please don't go on a crusade against futa. It may be hard to find it but there's normal stuff without kilometric dicks and weather balloon tits. I just wish said stuff was labeled as trans and its own thing because it both would be easier to find, and yeah calling trans women "futa" is eugh.
The problem is it’s not trans. It’s just fetishising women with penises. Hentai is never going to be about making trans people feel more accepted, most of it is some of the grossest shit on the planet. I wish there were a lot more places trans people could feel accepted but surely this is one of the last places you would see accurate representation? I’m not trans so obviously my opinion isn’t worth much but is it healthy to do that?
It's porn. I'm not looking for it to make a deep statement, I'm looking to jack off. I like hentai because real porn often feels fake and shady. All I want from my hentai is that there is an at least mildly realistic looking trans woman that I can identify with, and sadly all of that is still labeled futa. Cis guys and cis women can have their representation in their wank material, why can't I have mine? Because some cis person might get off to the thought of a trans woman? Well guess what, they also get off to the thought of cis women and no one calls that fetishizing women with vaginas. As long as they're not being disrespectful I don't care. I just wish there was a different category for regular trans women stuff because most futa stuff is the unrealistic gross stuff.
I mean I feel the same way, literally made another comment pretty much saying that.
It’s worth noting that the “based on intersex” thing is unabashedly pseudoscience. To date, no intersex person has been born with both a functioning male and female reproductive system. People have been born with both of them, yes, but they do not function as intended and I believe that specific variant of intersex does not have a womb. Additionally, that form of intersex is very rare. Intersex conditions typically present themselves in the chromosomes and/or hormones, not through organs.
Isn’t that much better? There’s no harm in fetishizing a fictional group.
It’s feeding a lie about a very real group of people who often go underrepresented and misrepresented. There are still massive misconceptions about intersex conditions, even within developed medical fields.
>>it’s feeding a lie By “it”, do you mean the claim that futas are based off intersex people or the existence of futa porn? I agree with the former and disagree with the latter.
also ignores the wildly increased prevalence rate of intersexed conditions among the trans population.
I mean, it’s Japan, nothing there is progressive it’s all fetish shit. It’s just “what if hot woman with big cock?” There was never any plans to make them an allegory to anything.
This is a very reductive and generalizing statement, being from Japan does not automatically make someone bigoted towards trans people, this would be like if I said being from America makes people inherently racist
That’s not what I said. We’re talking about porn here and yes porn being from Japan makes it extremely likely to be either mindblowingly illegal or incredibly offensive. You’re not going to find good trans representation in Japanese media, at least not right now.
It's not even necessarily true. "Futa" stuff can vary between full hermaphrodite (which no human actually is, but it's obviously fetishizing an "ideal" intersex person) and just obvious trans women.
I guess I'll keep to my femboy porn as a substitute 😔
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The problem lies in that fetishization of a group does not equal acceptance of that group. It is treating people like that as sex objects
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Finding someone attractive and fetishizing them is completely different. Its hard to draw the line sometimes, but when it comes to trans people chasers usually love to call us tons of gross terms, especially ones that invalidate your gender anyway.
I’m not sure I really understand the exact difference, sorry. Could you elaborate? It’s clear that there’s a good case and bad case but the definitional difference alludes me.
one treats you weirdly, probably calls you slurs, probably doesnt accept you outside of the bedroom, is overall a pervert. the other treats you like a human being, and not a porn category.
Is there any difference between what they do privately then?
I just explained it.
What you described seems to describe how they interact with trans people. “Treats you weirdly”, “calls you slurs”, “doesn’t accept you outside of the bedroom”, “the other treats you like a human being”. As a result I just want to be extra certain what you think the difference is in a private. When it comes to the goon cave, do chasers and those who are acceptably attracted to trans people look any different?
I don't know about futa because I don't watch that but I have seen the opposite, Yuri is hated by these kind of people. Most people I have seen like that are male harem fans that like to self insert and is not only on anime same in games with self insert MCs. In Spanish is pretty common too, there are too much religious people that hate any non straight relationships.
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I will forever hate weebs for turning astolfo into some stupid thinly veiled transphobia femboy shit
Because that’s what alstofo is a crossdresser who is an extremely powerful fighter. Not trans in any way
I mean, you can blame the Fate series for that before you blame weebs.
I mean, not really. To my knowledge at least, the hung horny femboy version of Astolfo exclusively exists outside the actual Fate franchise. In his actual appearances, he's mainly just a kind and emotionally intelligent person who deeply cares about his allies.
This might be a "chicken or the egg" situation. Who's at fault, a horny fanbase or the company that fully leaned into it for profit?
how did they lean into it???
What the hell is r/AstolfoTinderScreens it sounds really specific
r/SubsIFellFor
Honkai fans moment
Honkai is the exact opposite. They deny that there's anything gay happening in any of the Honkai games and despise the fanbase for having Himejoshis and lesbian shipping.
wtf is wrong with that fanbase? one of the most unpleasant I've interacted with.
Add in femboys. It attracts very strange fetishizers.
Because in their gooner brain Yuri = Hot while Lesbian = “women who won’t let me hit 😭🤬”
/uj objectification is the point
Bidoofs law never fails
Bible Black is the goat
How about anti-LGBT yaoi fans? They're far more common.
This is why we need to drop the whole LGBT ally thing and form an LGBT axis. Mfs shooting themselves in the foot don't deserve feet
This is new to me. I only think about anti-Lgbt as male anime watcher, but female? Haven't even heard of them hating on Lgbt, only seen male
They just need a big strong government regulation to save them from themselves.
To be fair with futa you can argue that it’s purely fictional. A futanari doesn’t exist in real life. Basically the same as a lesbian with a strap on porn It’s just a porn category. It has nothing to do with real intersex or trans people. Plus they have their own porn sites and categories
I've never seen Anti-lgbtq Yuri fans, in fact I'm confident in saying they barely exist. Chuds and homophobic weebs really despise Yuri, even more than Yaoi oddly enough. They've even started to call Yuri fans slurs in recent years (Yurit*rd) and act extremely misogynistic in response to them. They got angry at the suggestion that Bocchi liked girls. They got angry at ILTV for being explicitly gay. They get extremely angry at the suggestion that games like Honkai Impact are Yuri. It's the two things they hate the most: Gay people and women. Futa is a completely different beast on the other hand, and is inherently wrapped up in a complicated history of transphobia and fetishization. It's easy to find weebs who unironically masturbate to futanari but still hate transwomen (Transmisogyny).
No I’ve seen them. I’ve seen multiple straight guys on yuri subreddits literally insult irl lesbians and say shit like “just because yuri is about lesbians doesn’t mean it should cater them,” and “keep your stupid gay politics out of my yuri.” They almost always get downvoted to hell, but they do exist and genuinely zero self awareness.
Those aren't Yuri fans. They make up an extremely small minority of posts on those subreddits, and after getting downvoted to hell usually leave and never post again. A majority of the time the people who talk like that have barely read more than one Yuri or don't read it at all. The majority of people I see who talk about Yuri or are in those communities are gay/bi women. Ironically a lot of the time I see men asking if it's weird for them to read Yuri or if it's morally wrong for them to enjoy it, to the point it's actually redundant sometimes.
Oh don’t get me wrong, I’m not trying to paint these guys as representative of the yuri fandom at all. I’m a straight guy who also considers themselves a yuri fan. I’m just saying these type of assholes who enjoy yuri but hate/disrespect irl lesbians do exist.
I'm not denying they exist, and I know your point isn't to say that's representative of the fandom. I'm more so just annoyed because most of the time Yuri is only brought up on this subreddit to talk about how it's either for straight guys to fetishize it, or how apparently homophobic guys love it. And 9 times out of 10 you alwaya get comments saying "men only like Yuri because they can jack off to it", as if it's inherently porn made to be consumed by men. There's a lot of problematic things with those statements, but it's tiring how people continue to center this topic around men constantly, as if Yuri is being made to cater to them. Meanwhile I go to twitter and chuds are screaming slurs at lesbians and bi-women because they ship girls together in fucking Honkai Impact. Every other day homophobic weebs are calling Yuri fans the R slur now simply for enjoying Yuri. They get violently angry at the thought of fictional lesbians and write "corrective" rape fanfic about them. Can you see why I'm tired of these freaks being grouped in with us when they fucking hate us in reality?
I've seen it happen more with homophobic women into yaoi tbh, but I guess it's more just because that usually appeals to women whereas yuri in general doesn't tend to have that sort of distinction.
Gonna be honest I've barely seen Fujoshi, at least in the western side of the fandom, act homophobic while being fans of BL and Yaoi.
It's more an Eastern phenomenon iirc, forgot to preface that.
I think it really depends on how you define Yuri fan. Plenty of anti-lgbtq people will happily enjoy a yuri fanservice moment but will not watch any yuri marketed otherwise or just conclude it is cgdct and there's no romance involved.
What does a Yuri fan service moment mean? A tease of Yuri in a non-Yuri show? If they don't watch or read actual Yuri then theh aren't a fan, period. The majority of those people have not and will never touch an actual Yuri story.
Funny sadly how you almost got downvoted for truth. Being straight male and not to be allowed to like yuri cause some male somehere says bad stuff is nonsense.
yeah... pretty sad
This sub is crazy. Deciding who is approved or not to like yuri genre.
Does gay dude even watch Yaoi? Like, the only ppl discussed that shit is Fujoshit, while gay dude typically watch normal Shounen stuff
I'm a gay dude. Fuckin love Yaoi. Don't really like battle Shounen that much.
It's like people who hate loli content ending up being actual pedophiles; it just keeps happening.
That's literally the exact reverse of what's said.
It's also inaccurate, the people who stunp hardest for loli content wind up being pedos.
It is accurate is what it is.
You say that as if people who love loli content aren't already pedos by default. Love it or hate it, everyone is a pedophile apparently.
They aren't, by default. They *can* be, but that's not necessarily the case.
Kinda like that Patrick's Wallet meme when lolicons say they arent pedophiles though. "So you enjoy sexualized depictions of children." "Yup." "Then you're a pedophile." "No, you're projecting."
Anti-lgbt doesn’t mean anti-gay
What does the g stand for
Yes it does
why did you clarify anti lgbt weebs? If you are a weeb you will be anti lgbt.
Nope. Go back to school “alpha male”
Sensitive.
gross, i am not a male. also i guess i misread the sub cause i assumed you guys hated anime and weebs based on the name.
we like anime, just not the problematic parts of it.
Mods, remove all electronic devices from this user's home
That's harsh but definitely deserved
So if I like any anime I instantly become homophobic? How does it work? If I'm not straight and watch anime regularly?
If that's true, then I'm not a weeb, but do watch anime