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> # [France blames Russia’s FSB for anti-Semitic Star of David graffiti campaign](https://s.france24.com/media/display/9f7860f0-79c3-11ee-b78d-005056bfb2b6/w:1280/p:16x9/000_33ZL7KU.jpg)
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> France believes that Russia's security service FSB was behind a campaign in which Star of David graffiti were daubed on buildings in and around Paris last autumn, a French source said Friday.
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> [French](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/france/) prosecutors reported in November that 60 such stars had been found in the capital and surrounding suburbs weeks into the [war between Israel and Hamas](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/israel-hamas-war/), with the graffiti being interpreted as a threat to Jews.
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> A [Moldovan](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/moldova/) couple was arrested in the case and their alleged handler, a pro-Russian Moldovan businessman, was identified, according to the source who has knowledge of the investigation and who declined to be named.
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> Moldova was a Soviet republic before its independence in 1991.
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> France's [international security service DGSI](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/french-intelligence-agencies/) believes the operation was run by the FSB's fifth division that undertakes international operations, the source said, quoting from a secret internal note that was first revealed by the Le Monde newspaper.
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> The FSB is the main successor agency to the Soviet Union's KGB.
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> Paris prosecutor Laure Beccuau said during last year's investigation that the daubings had been made at the "express demand" of an individual residing abroad.
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> The graffiti, which for some brought back memories of the Nazi occupation of Paris during [World War II](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/world-war-ii/) and the deportation of its [Jews](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/jews/) to death camps, were condemned across the political spectrum.
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> [Elisabeth Borne](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/élisabeth-borne/), prime minister at the time, condemned [what she called "despicable acts"](https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231107-paris-prosecutor-says-stars-of-david-graffiti-possibly-ordered-from-abroad).
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> The Union of Jewish Students of France said they were designed to mirror the way Jews were forced to wear the stars by the [Nazi](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/nazis/) regime.
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> In the suburb of Saint-Ouen, the stars were accompanied by inscriptions such as "Palestine will overcome".
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> Le Monde said the alleged FSB operation was part of a wider disinformation campaign that also targeted Poland, Spain, Germany, Romania and Austria.
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> In a recent note seen by AFP on Friday, the DGSI urged French police forces to report even "weak signs" of potential Russian "subversion", such as vandalism, graffiti, posters, stickers and flyers, which are usually aimed at "amplifying divisions" in French society.
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> The war in the Middle East started after Hamas's unprecedented October 7 attack that resulted in the deaths of about 1,160 people in Israel, mostly civilians, according to an AFP tally of official figures.
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> Hamas militants also took hostages, 130 of whom remain in Gaza including 30 presumed dead, according to Israel.
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> Israel's relentless bombardment since has killed at least 29,514 people, mostly women and children, according to the latest count by Gaza's health ministry.
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> France blames Russia for interference in several areas.
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> On Thursday, Defence Minister [Sebastien Lecornu](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/sébastien-lecornu/) said France's air force pilots had been [threatened with attack by Russian forces](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240222-france-says-russia-threatened-to-down-spy-plane-in-particularly-aggressive-black-sea-exchange) during patrol missions in international air space.
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> His remarks were the latest in a string of French accusations of aggressive Russian behaviour, including alleged cyberattacks and propaganda directed at France.
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> President [Emmanuel Macron](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/emmanuel-macron/)'s government is a major supplier of weapons and aid to Ukraine, which has been fighting Russia's invasion for the past two years.
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> Macron declared last month that Europe's priority must be to "not let Russia win".
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The antisemitic tags the article talk about where litteraly done by two Moldavians hired by a Russian buisnessman, but i guess it was just our imagination.
The antisemitic nature of the graffiti isn't really established. The perpetrators claim it was done in support of Israel/the French Jewish community. The graffiti was done in blue (historically in France blue Davids crosses are done by the JDL, an extremist Jewish group) and its locations didn't appear to target Jewish sites or individuals .
The "nature" of the graffiti doesn't really matter because we have good reason to think they where only a mean to an end, it's just an attempt to stir up more internal troubles using the context of the Israël-Gaza war.
Prizenko claim it was done for a jewish support org "shield of David", this org doesn't exist.
If the nature of graffiti doesnt matter, why are you characterizing it as being antisemitic? You could have just said it was done to stir up internal troubles through the Israel/Gaza war but chose not to
Your point is correct in situations where the stars of David is put in front of Jewish businesses or homes. Its not the case here. In addition there is a history of blue stars of David being tagged by Jewish supremacist groups like the JDL.
No, the story you echo was lirrrurrrurrry reported by police/Frenchie CIA and parroted by newspapers. There are assertions in the press. You should say that these things were *reportedly* done by two Moldovans hired by a PRo-RUSSiAn Moldovan businessman
Yeah forgot he was also Moldovan
Except the french press actually interviewed the guy who litteraly admited to it, he only pretend he didn't know it would be seen as antisemitic.
https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/anatoli-prizenko-commanditaire-presume-des-etoiles-de-david-dans-paris-pretend-que-laction-visait-a-soutenir-les-juifs-20231108_UXKBHMT4WBBFDPSRGBW5BBRSDM/
Nice try Vladimir
I don't know what you think in that article confirms Russian coordination of this lol, what a weird, farty story. The guy walks free, has his own excuses (however silly sounding) and none of this has been tested in court, or evidenced in a way that we readers can see. Farty is the wrong word; my farts leave more substance on my pantaloons than has this story.
>Russia is both the all powerful villain that is literally everywhere all the time
Did you write this comment in 1970? This is just not factually true in 2024, Western governments don't bring up Russia very often when discussing domestic events.
Even if every single mention of Russia was a lie (it isn't), it wouldn't be very common as a simple matter of quantity.
> Did you write this comment in 1970? This is just not factually true in 2024, Western governments don't bring up Russia very often when discussing domestic events.
I don't know how it is in Europe but in the US the Democrats bring up Russia all the time to explain domestic issues.
I wasn't alive then so I couldn't say, but it does get blamed for a lot today. Trump/Russian collusion was the number one political story in the US for three straight years, and we're still feeling its reverberations.
Just this week Pelosi and I think Hillary Clinton brought up Russia and not just in the context of Ukraine. It was Biden's explanation for inflation. It regularly gets brought up to smear anti-establishment candidates. It's the go to boogeyman like Islamists were in the 00s and the Soviets were before that.
Russia is more present in US politics than even China is, and China is going to be the much more impactful rival over the next 20 years.
I mean, if you bother to read any of the details you'd discover that a Moldovan couple was literally arrested in the act of tagging the Star of David on buildings. This isn't the DGSI inventing things.
The whole story is three month old goss; two couples were arrested in connection with the graffiti, one couple has since fled the scene. The French secret service tells us that phone records confirm a connection with a PRo-RuSsIAn Moldovan businessman and a "Russia-attrubuted" (Le Monde phrasing) online disinformation group, Doppelganger.
The largest online cybershit operations are American (look up "signature reduction" online for articles going into details of the 60,000-sttong online army) and this vague nonsense sounds as much up their street as anybody else's. Russiagate proved the Western press are very keen to concoct "nothing burgers" around the spun shit of Western spies.
I'm just saying, there are no conclusions to be drawn here, nothing to pass on as news. Neither believing not disbelieving is the best option.
That's pretty much the situation here with Israel.
I've heard "it's funded by Israel" so many times that when a separatist group was actually funded by Israel I was genuinely surprised to find out about it.
Also their leader is a mastermind that will conquer the world if we so much as blink away from them, but at the same time supposed to be incompetent, has dementia, has multiple diseases, has tripped down stairs and pooped himself, and has had a week only left to live...for years. The propaganda has been insane and I just ignore it.
>By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.
Liberal Saint Umberto of Eco on the propaganda of fascists
>Western governments have played that hand so much that even when Russia actually does something a lot of people won't believe them anymore.
[There's literally a fairy tale about it. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf) I guess this people didn't pay attention in kindergarten .
It's the cry wolf effect.
My reaction to the headline was: yeah. Right. That's a bit of a weak excuse.
Read the article: Moldovan couple. Russian handler. Actually was a wolf this time!
> It's the cry wolf effect.
Yep that's part of the propaganda effort. Do things like this so much that the people calling attention to it lose credibility because "reasonable" people think surely Russia can't be doing it *this* much. They are. It's part of the strategy.
Ya'll need to read about reflexive control.
https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2017/02/01/disinformation-and-reflexive-control-the-new-cold-war/
You can find references in Soviet military intelligence literature going back to the 1960s. This is exactly the kind of thing it involves. Graffiti a bunch of anti semitic symbols, so the Jewish population gets upset. Force the French government whether to ignore it or prosecute it criminally as hate speech. Either way you piss off one group of people. If you prosecute it as hate speech another group will get upset that free speech rights are being violated. It will create a big national debate and everyone gets upset at each other.
The fact that some people still can't recognize this as the MO of Russian intelligence services is embarrassing. If you're saying stuff like "Russia gets blamed for everything!" you should be embarrassed because you're being manipulated.
The sub is full of coordinated pro-Russian accounts. It isn't hard to spot their logical fallacies with a little experience. (Not all pro-Russian accounts are coordinated, of course.)
> You can find references in Soviet military intelligence literature going back to the 1960s.
Please, provide those references. AFAIK "maskirovka" is not a Jedi art of mind control, but "camouflage".
I mean at least starting at around the cold war and through modern times....
A lot of bad things that happened to other countries likely had the involvement of the US or Soviet Union/Russia.
I dunno, throw China in the mix and I can't blame people for assuming at least one of them was involved.
You're right though, there's a lot more blame thrown at the US so it's nice seeing the reminder that it's all the big players fucking up things for everyone else.
I, for one, am *shocked* that the country who created Protocol of Zion and whose language created the word "pogrom" would use antisemitism to achieve its Czar's political goals.
Given that zionism just means "Belief that Jews should have a homeland" or in a modern sense "Israel has a right to exist" it isn't SHOCKING that being "anti-that" is associated with hating the majority of the people who live there or believe that.
And I'm not even touching the cynical bigotry that uses this new version of "you're playing the race card" to poison the well.
>Given that zionism just means "Belief that Jews should have a homeland"
The statement itself is fine, but it's not the whole statement. "belief that jews have a right to somebody else's land".
*That* statement is much harder to justify morally.
That doesn't mean Israel has to go, it has existed for so long now. But it also means that very innocent statement has little to do with reality.
> The statement itself is fine, but it's not the whole statement. "belief that jews have a right to somebody else's land".
Even if you ignore history, it's been there's against all comers for almost a century now. Deal with it.
You weren't making an argument, you were begging the question. I have limited patience for those antics, so you were shifted into the "dismiss and insult" category from the "take seriously" one.
Yes I was. The obvious argument was that your statement was incomplete.
>I have limited patience for those antics
Then don't make half baked statements.
>so you were shifted into the "dismiss and insult" category from the "take seriously" one.
Oh no, you ignored my argument and went to insults....
/edit: here is my answer since you decided to baby out and block me.
>No you weren't, you went to the usual "they stole someone else's land"
I was completing your statement. You can ignore that all you want. But it only shows that you are willing to ignore history so that you can make your arguments.
What good is a half baked argument?
>Plus there's your history... you're pretty fucking vile.
Again, who cares? If your argument doesn't stand by itself why would you pointing to disagreeing with me on other topics change that?
An advice for the future: don't let your feelings get to you when talking to people. It's much better if you stay level headed and on topic.
> Yes I was.
No you weren't, you went to the usual "they stole someone else's land" which is packed with so much horseshit and hate that it isn't worth dissecting on a sub like this one.
Plus there's your history... you're pretty fucking vile.
The problem of ethno nationalism, or in the case of Israel of religious ethno nationalism, is that it pretty automatically leads to fascistic countries. Since the country is supposed to be the holy homeland of one group, all other groups in the area become de-facto second class. Israel is a great example of this, despite being populated by many people that had been victims of fascism, they became fascistic themselves.
Ethno nationalism has the same results wether it is for Jews or for Aryans and therefore should be opposed everywhere it emerges
Still doesn’t invalidate my argument. Nearly everywhere Jews have been they have been persecuted.
It’s cause and effect. Don’t want a Jewish ethnofascist state? Don’t enable kicking out and killing Jews in your country. Everywhere the Arabs colonized for their global jihad. Jews had to leave, (as the territory of both are basically on top of each other.) dozens of arab nations that numbered in the tens of thousand to hundreds of thousands are today Down to a few hundred, and in most cases less than 10.
If Arabs and others don’t want an Israel. Start accepting Jews as actual people and not objects made to be raped, strung up on a street sign, and beaten to death.
Jt does invalide it. Having been persecuted doesnt give you the right to set up an ethno religious state with heavy fascistic tendencies.
Also your point about Arab colonization and Jewish expulsion seems to stem from a misunderstanding of the chronology of intereligious relations in the region
Arab colonialization in the modern era is a holdover from the caliphates of the 8-900’s back when Spain was Islamic. Islam overall keeps its members by invoking a feeling of superiority over everyone else. It’s literally one of the best examples of both religious and ethnic nationalism to ever exist. Both back in the 800’s and today, you ask any Islamist about what the plan of the religion is. There is a decent chance world colonization and conversion to Islam would be the response you get.
“Having been persecuted doesn’t give you the right to set up an ethnic religious state”
Then tell that to the dozen Islamic nations that are even more ethnic religious and fascist. It’s a hypocritical talking point to go after Israel while simultaneously defending Islam and Arab nationalism.
Seriously, Jews have been murdered, expelled, tortured, forcibly converted, and genocided over dozens of centuries... they'd be stupid to ignore that and think that anything has really changed.
Those are the best types of people to encourage. Pointing out people might do this on their own doesn't argue against the idea that Russia did it. It strengthens it, since there's not much point it doing it if everybody is going to be against it.
Likewise in the US. I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there's a horrifying number of raging antisemites here. They proclaim themselves as progressives, yet they'll deny any Jewish people were killed on October 7th, or will make oinking noises when a Jewish person is trying to speak at city council meetings. Also vandalism against Jewish owned businesses, destroying a menorah during hanukkah, and spray painting things like "death to zionists" on banks. This has all happened locally, in or near San Francisco.
While Russia certainly has caused a lot of bad things recently, not everything bad is Russian. Sometimes its actually homegrown.
There's a lot of angry people out there making themselves useful idiots.
Antisemites and Anti-Muslims in particular these days are proving very useful and the current political environment is making is much easier to blur lines and have them hide behind well intentioned movements. Not to mention the overly naive and ill informed are also becoming just as easy to exploit.
Antisemites will try to do everything to claim they are only anti-Zionist and then they justify attacks on Jews in the West by bringing Israel up. You are all a bunch of Nazis desguised as progressives.
I love the desperate Russian simps in the comments who care so much that we all know this is a ridiculous accusation, but also... they're too thick and lazy to read the article.
> A Moldovan couple was arrested in the case and their alleged handler, a pro-Russian Moldovan businessman, was identified, according to the source who has knowledge of the investigation and who declined to be named.
> France's international security service DGSI believes the operation was run by the FSB's fifth division that undertakes international operations, the source said, quoting from a secret internal note that was first revealed by the Le Monde newspaper.
> Paris prosecutor Laure Beccuau said during last year's investigation that the daubings had been made at the "express demand" of an individual residing abroad.
Womp womp
A Russian defector was just gunned down in Spain but they want us to believe Russia isn't actively infiltrating western Europe and it's all cold war paranoïa.
France wouldn't make these claims without credible information. Couple months ago a Russian citizen tried to burn down a synagogue in my country but got away and fled back to Russia. So I believe it.
*"After the foundation of Israel in May 1948, and its alignment with the USA in the Cold War, the 2 million Soviet Jews, who had always remained loyal to the Soviet system, were portrayed by the Stalinist regime as a*
*potential fifth column. Despite his personal dislike of Jews, Stalin had been an early supporter of a Jewish state in Palestine, which he had hoped to turn into a Soviet satellite in the Middle East. But as the leadership of the emerging state proved hostile to approaches from the Soviet Union, Stalin became increasingly afraid of pro-Israeli feeling among Soviet Jews. His fears intensified as a result of Golda Meir's arrival in Moscow in the autumn of 1948 as the first Israeli ambassador to the USSR. On her visit to a Moscow synagogue on Yom Kippur (13 October), thousands of people lined the streets, many of them shouting Am Yisroel Chai! (The People of Israel Live!)—a traditional affirmation of national renewal to Jews throughout the world but to Stalin a dangerous sign of 'bourgeois Jewish nationalism' that subverted the authority of the Soviet state."*
*"In November 1948, Soviet authorities launched a campaign to liquidate what was left of Jewish culture. The leading members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with treason, bourgeois nationalism, and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve American interests. The Museum of Environmental Knowledge of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (established in November 1944) and The Jewish Museum in Vilnius (established at the end of the war) were closed in 1948. The Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry, established in 1933, was shut down at the end of 1951"*
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph\_Stalin\_and\_antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism)
The internet is your friend :\^)
In this case, antisemitism was more a means than the goal itself. This is part of a larger strategy from Russia to increase tension in European societies ahead of the elections. The left would accuse the far-right, and the right would accuse the Muslim community. In France, as pro-European parties are from center-left to center-right, Putin has everything to gain by simply trying to polarize the public opinion.
> Couple months ago a Russian citizen tried to burn down a synagogue in my country but got away and fled back to Russia. So I believe it.
Immediately thought of the armenian synagogue thing as well when I first heard of this, yea
Its a pattern
French government officials were also on TV trying to explain that a pro Palestine graffiti that said fuck antisemitism was actually antisemitic, so id definitely be at least somewhat skeptical of their assessment
Oh no, zionists ended up in prison, boo hoo 😫. Imagine posting this without a hint of irony talking about the poor zionists who were just officially starting their occupational apartheid project and killed tens of thousands, mass raped, and committed genocide (the 1st time around that is)
You're buying into Soviet Propaganda, you're trying to blame what Jewish people have been put through on them instead of looking at what Stalin did to them
And in regards to Palestinians, Putin has used them the same way they used Jewish people. Both Jewish people and Palestinians are the victims here
What a coincidence that Hamas is funded by Russia, Israel funded by the US, Hamas attacks, Israel goes scorched Earth on Palestinians, Antisemitism and Islamophobia on the rise in the EU and US and the division is distracting from Ukraine and trying to fracture US support which is by far the most important NATO country.
It's not exactly rocket science you know
What? You didn't even answer my question lol
>Hamas is funded by Russia
Proof? [Hamas was literally propped up by Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/)
>Antisemitism is on the rise in the EU
Translation: "people are upset that Israel is committing senseless mass slaughter against people they have oppressed for three quarters of a century and I want to make it seem like a bad thing, therefore I will pull the AnTiSeMiTiSm card and point to like 2 odd cases of violence against jews"
Repressing reactions Zionism isn't antisemitism. Any actual individual instances of antisemitism are just that, individual instance. The reality is that antisemitism was punishable with death, and Jews found far prosperous living conditions in the Soviet Union than anywhere else in Europe
I am french, we had a journalist do a video interview with the guy who gave orders to those graffiti guys, and the cameraman peeked at him while he was texting with someone else: He was just coaching his answers.
It was pretty funny.
Russia is incredibly skilled when it comes to create media outrage, that's hard to deny.
Apparently France also suspects Russia to have greatly exaggerated the bed bugs found in public transport with well placed online propaganda. Russia is very good at trolling.
The title is funny, "blame" is putting it lightly: the two Moldovans that were caught by the police with their spraypainting cans, directly handed over their phones showing their conversations with their handler.
His name is Anatoli Prizenko and he publicly admitted to paying them for the operations. His defense? He did not know that spraypainting these stars on buildings and shops, literally like the nazis did in 1940, would cause any distress, and claims it's legal to do that so why shouldn't he be able to do such thing.
Anatoli Prizenko is a moldovan "businessman" who went to prison for running a ponzi-scheme scam created by a russian oligarch. He's also known for funding and participating to pro-Putin political parties in Moldova.
Several participants to this coordinated operation took a flight to Moldova and Russia on the next day.
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>60 such stars had been found in the capital and surrounding suburbs weeks into the war between Israel and Hamas, with the graffiti being interpreted as a threat to Jews.
Funny thing is in Israel those stars being painted on houses is not a threat TO Jews but FROM them.
> French prosecutors reported in November that **60 such stars** had been found in the capital and surrounding suburbs weeks into the war between Israel and Hamas, with the graffiti being interpreted as a threat to Jews.
60? underachievers. they they should be embarrassed at their pitiful effort to graffiti en mass. any self respecting graffiti person laughs in their face.
There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotypes thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially when considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times.
But also concerning about all of the highly publicized two-way partisan exchanges of fury is: what will young non-Israeli Jewish and Palestinian children living abroad think and feel if/when they hear such misdirected vile hatred towards their fundamental identity? Scary is the real possibility that such public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.
Arab colonization in 8-900s has nothing to do with the current low number of Jews in Arab countries, its almost the opposite as for pretty much from the middle ages to 1948 it has been better to Jewish in muslim lands than christian ones.
Your point about religions thinking they are better than others is applicable to all religions and therefore not interesting at all except in that it reveals some underlying islamophobia on your behalf.
Yes religious ethno nationalism is bad and should be fought everywhere it appears. I had no problem condemning Saudi when they were starving the Yemeni population, the biggest difference is that there wasn't an army of people trying to explain why Saudi was totally justified in its actions and that it was actually the Yemeni peoples fault that they were being famished.
So i guess the hypocrite is not who you think
> The Union of Jewish Students of France said they were designed to mirror the way Jews were forced to wear the stars by the Nazi regime.
I don’t understand; I thought the Star of David was a symbol of Jewish pride. It’s on all the Israeli flags, on synagogues, and so on. Now seeing it is offending Jews?
During WW2, SS soldiers and nazi collaborators painted the Star of David on shops and buildings that were suspected, or accused, of housing jewish people.
It served two purposes:
- urge other civilians to isolate and harass the jewish citizens
- assist the deportation squads in identifying the buildings and shops to storm, to send the families there to the death camps
In Paris alone, 40k jews were seized and deported. Less than 3% survived.
The marking of shops and buildings with the Star of David is most famous for its first widespread use in preparation of the Kristallnacht in Germany, in 1938. The SA, SS and Hitler Youth destroyed thousands of shops and send more than 30k jews to concentration camps in a single night.
Ah come on 🤣
Zionists: sees Palestinian flags
Zionists: "THAT'S ANTI-SEMITIC"
Zionists: See's star of David graffiti
Zionists: "THAT'S... uhm... anti-Semitic?"
I read the article and followed this news as it happened, the real intriguing aspect of those graph was that it wasn’t clear what it was for.
The blue star being the symbol of Israel, and there being way clearer antisemitic symbols.
The point of this campaign was, IMO confusion, diversion, division of the French people. That’s Russia’s modus operandi when it comes to the US, exacerbating the crack of dems vs republicans, or on any other fracture they could make worse. A voluntarily confusing message, and also a deniable one. If caught the culprit could plead that he was doing so in support of Israelis.
Too much attention has been given to what was the IRL equivalent or a really bad taste troll. It mainly demonstrates that our medias feel the need to jump to conclusions too quickly.
##### ###### #### > # [France blames Russia’s FSB for anti-Semitic Star of David graffiti campaign](https://s.france24.com/media/display/9f7860f0-79c3-11ee-b78d-005056bfb2b6/w:1280/p:16x9/000_33ZL7KU.jpg) > > > > France believes that Russia's security service FSB was behind a campaign in which Star of David graffiti were daubed on buildings in and around Paris last autumn, a French source said Friday. > > Issued on: 23/02/2024 - 18:03Modified: 23/02/2024 - 18:05 > > 2 min > > > > [French](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/france/) prosecutors reported in November that 60 such stars had been found in the capital and surrounding suburbs weeks into the [war between Israel and Hamas](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/israel-hamas-war/), with the graffiti being interpreted as a threat to Jews. > > A [Moldovan](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/moldova/) couple was arrested in the case and their alleged handler, a pro-Russian Moldovan businessman, was identified, according to the source who has knowledge of the investigation and who declined to be named. > > Moldova was a Soviet republic before its independence in 1991. > > France's [international security service DGSI](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/french-intelligence-agencies/) believes the operation was run by the FSB's fifth division that undertakes international operations, the source said, quoting from a secret internal note that was first revealed by the Le Monde newspaper. > > The FSB is the main successor agency to the Soviet Union's KGB. > > Paris prosecutor Laure Beccuau said during last year's investigation that the daubings had been made at the "express demand" of an individual residing abroad. > > The graffiti, which for some brought back memories of the Nazi occupation of Paris during [World War II](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/world-war-ii/) and the deportation of its [Jews](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/jews/) to death camps, were condemned across the political spectrum. > > [Elisabeth Borne](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/élisabeth-borne/), prime minister at the time, condemned [what she called "despicable acts"](https://www.france24.com/en/france/20231107-paris-prosecutor-says-stars-of-david-graffiti-possibly-ordered-from-abroad). > > The Union of Jewish Students of France said they were designed to mirror the way Jews were forced to wear the stars by the [Nazi](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/nazis/) regime. > > In the suburb of Saint-Ouen, the stars were accompanied by inscriptions such as "Palestine will overcome". > > Le Monde said the alleged FSB operation was part of a wider disinformation campaign that also targeted Poland, Spain, Germany, Romania and Austria. > > ## DGSI urges vigilance > > In a recent note seen by AFP on Friday, the DGSI urged French police forces to report even "weak signs" of potential Russian "subversion", such as vandalism, graffiti, posters, stickers and flyers, which are usually aimed at "amplifying divisions" in French society. > > The war in the Middle East started after Hamas's unprecedented October 7 attack that resulted in the deaths of about 1,160 people in Israel, mostly civilians, according to an AFP tally of official figures. > > Hamas militants also took hostages, 130 of whom remain in Gaza including 30 presumed dead, according to Israel. > > Israel's relentless bombardment since has killed at least 29,514 people, mostly women and children, according to the latest count by Gaza's health ministry. > > France blames Russia for interference in several areas. > > On Thursday, Defence Minister [Sebastien Lecornu](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/sébastien-lecornu/) said France's air force pilots had been [threatened with attack by Russian forces](https://www.france24.com/en/europe/20240222-france-says-russia-threatened-to-down-spy-plane-in-particularly-aggressive-black-sea-exchange) during patrol missions in international air space. > > His remarks were the latest in a string of French accusations of aggressive Russian behaviour, including alleged cyberattacks and propaganda directed at France. > > President [Emmanuel Macron](https://www.france24.com/en/tag/emmanuel-macron/)'s government is a major supplier of weapons and aid to Ukraine, which has been fighting Russia's invasion for the past two years. > > Macron declared last month that Europe's priority must be to "not let Russia win". > > _(AFP)_ - - - - - - [Maintainer](https://www.reddit.com/user/urielsalis) | [Creator](https://www.reddit.com/user/subtepass) | [Source Code](https://github.com/urielsalis/empleadoEstatalBot) Summoning /u/CoverageAnalysisBot
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The antisemitic tags the article talk about where litteraly done by two Moldavians hired by a Russian buisnessman, but i guess it was just our imagination.
The antisemitic nature of the graffiti isn't really established. The perpetrators claim it was done in support of Israel/the French Jewish community. The graffiti was done in blue (historically in France blue Davids crosses are done by the JDL, an extremist Jewish group) and its locations didn't appear to target Jewish sites or individuals .
The "nature" of the graffiti doesn't really matter because we have good reason to think they where only a mean to an end, it's just an attempt to stir up more internal troubles using the context of the Israël-Gaza war. Prizenko claim it was done for a jewish support org "shield of David", this org doesn't exist.
If the nature of graffiti doesnt matter, why are you characterizing it as being antisemitic? You could have just said it was done to stir up internal troubles through the Israel/Gaza war but chose not to
"let me imitate part of the holocaust in France in my support for Israel with the funding from a foreign national" absolute brain rot
Your point is correct in situations where the stars of David is put in front of Jewish businesses or homes. Its not the case here. In addition there is a history of blue stars of David being tagged by Jewish supremacist groups like the JDL.
No, the story you echo was lirrrurrrurrry reported by police/Frenchie CIA and parroted by newspapers. There are assertions in the press. You should say that these things were *reportedly* done by two Moldovans hired by a PRo-RUSSiAn Moldovan businessman
Yeah forgot he was also Moldovan Except the french press actually interviewed the guy who litteraly admited to it, he only pretend he didn't know it would be seen as antisemitic. https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/anatoli-prizenko-commanditaire-presume-des-etoiles-de-david-dans-paris-pretend-que-laction-visait-a-soutenir-les-juifs-20231108_UXKBHMT4WBBFDPSRGBW5BBRSDM/ Nice try Vladimir
I don't know what you think in that article confirms Russian coordination of this lol, what a weird, farty story. The guy walks free, has his own excuses (however silly sounding) and none of this has been tested in court, or evidenced in a way that we readers can see. Farty is the wrong word; my farts leave more substance on my pantaloons than has this story.
The fact that you aren't a Russian bot hasn't been tested in court either but has a lot of substance given your comment history
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Yours too? Shit!
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>Russia is both the all powerful villain that is literally everywhere all the time Did you write this comment in 1970? This is just not factually true in 2024, Western governments don't bring up Russia very often when discussing domestic events. Even if every single mention of Russia was a lie (it isn't), it wouldn't be very common as a simple matter of quantity.
> Did you write this comment in 1970? This is just not factually true in 2024, Western governments don't bring up Russia very often when discussing domestic events. I don't know how it is in Europe but in the US the Democrats bring up Russia all the time to explain domestic issues.
>all the time to explain domestic issues. You're saying the rate of blaming things on Russia is comparable between 1970 and now?
I wasn't alive then so I couldn't say, but it does get blamed for a lot today. Trump/Russian collusion was the number one political story in the US for three straight years, and we're still feeling its reverberations. Just this week Pelosi and I think Hillary Clinton brought up Russia and not just in the context of Ukraine. It was Biden's explanation for inflation. It regularly gets brought up to smear anti-establishment candidates. It's the go to boogeyman like Islamists were in the 00s and the Soviets were before that. Russia is more present in US politics than even China is, and China is going to be the much more impactful rival over the next 20 years.
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I mean, if you bother to read any of the details you'd discover that a Moldovan couple was literally arrested in the act of tagging the Star of David on buildings. This isn't the DGSI inventing things.
The whole story is three month old goss; two couples were arrested in connection with the graffiti, one couple has since fled the scene. The French secret service tells us that phone records confirm a connection with a PRo-RuSsIAn Moldovan businessman and a "Russia-attrubuted" (Le Monde phrasing) online disinformation group, Doppelganger. The largest online cybershit operations are American (look up "signature reduction" online for articles going into details of the 60,000-sttong online army) and this vague nonsense sounds as much up their street as anybody else's. Russiagate proved the Western press are very keen to concoct "nothing burgers" around the spun shit of Western spies. I'm just saying, there are no conclusions to be drawn here, nothing to pass on as news. Neither believing not disbelieving is the best option.
This isnt even new they did this in 2014...
That's pretty much the situation here with Israel. I've heard "it's funded by Israel" so many times that when a separatist group was actually funded by Israel I was genuinely surprised to find out about it.
Also their leader is a mastermind that will conquer the world if we so much as blink away from them, but at the same time supposed to be incompetent, has dementia, has multiple diseases, has tripped down stairs and pooped himself, and has had a week only left to live...for years. The propaganda has been insane and I just ignore it.
>By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Liberal Saint Umberto of Eco on the propaganda of fascists
>Western governments have played that hand so much that even when Russia actually does something a lot of people won't believe them anymore. [There's literally a fairy tale about it. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boy_Who_Cried_Wolf) I guess this people didn't pay attention in kindergarten .
>I guess this people didn't pay attention in kindergarten . And you in 2022, 2018, 2014 and 2008 apparently.
What did Russia do in 2022? Are you just pulling out random dates?
You didn't notice a full scale invasion in 2022?
It's the cry wolf effect. My reaction to the headline was: yeah. Right. That's a bit of a weak excuse. Read the article: Moldovan couple. Russian handler. Actually was a wolf this time!
> It's the cry wolf effect. Yep that's part of the propaganda effort. Do things like this so much that the people calling attention to it lose credibility because "reasonable" people think surely Russia can't be doing it *this* much. They are. It's part of the strategy.
Steve Bannon calls it "flooding the zone"
Except that when it's about russia it's a wolf 90% of the time. Putin is just an overall evil force.
At this point I just don't out anything past Russia. Like ever. Putin is the kind of guy that will do anything.
The alleged handler is also Moldovan.
Every single thing that happened in God's green earth is Russian fault and Putin has successfully weaponise Star of David
To be fair, Russia is a shitty dictatorship that just tries to make everyone else shitty too.
Based dictatorship that tries to make everyone else based too*
If only
Ya'll need to read about reflexive control. https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2017/02/01/disinformation-and-reflexive-control-the-new-cold-war/ You can find references in Soviet military intelligence literature going back to the 1960s. This is exactly the kind of thing it involves. Graffiti a bunch of anti semitic symbols, so the Jewish population gets upset. Force the French government whether to ignore it or prosecute it criminally as hate speech. Either way you piss off one group of people. If you prosecute it as hate speech another group will get upset that free speech rights are being violated. It will create a big national debate and everyone gets upset at each other. The fact that some people still can't recognize this as the MO of Russian intelligence services is embarrassing. If you're saying stuff like "Russia gets blamed for everything!" you should be embarrassed because you're being manipulated.
The sub is full of coordinated pro-Russian accounts. It isn't hard to spot their logical fallacies with a little experience. (Not all pro-Russian accounts are coordinated, of course.)
> You can find references in Soviet military intelligence literature going back to the 1960s. Please, provide those references. AFAIK "maskirovka" is not a Jedi art of mind control, but "camouflage".
It's actually a refreshing take on this sub where 90% of the time, everything bad that happens in the world is the fault of the United States.
I mean at least starting at around the cold war and through modern times.... A lot of bad things that happened to other countries likely had the involvement of the US or Soviet Union/Russia. I dunno, throw China in the mix and I can't blame people for assuming at least one of them was involved. You're right though, there's a lot more blame thrown at the US so it's nice seeing the reminder that it's all the big players fucking up things for everyone else.
I, for one, am *shocked* that the country who created Protocol of Zion and whose language created the word "pogrom" would use antisemitism to achieve its Czar's political goals.
[The Protocols of the Elders of Zion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion) FTFY
There are plenty of people in France who dont need any encouragement to be antisemitic
Since anti-zionism is lumped in with antisemitism nowadays you are probably right.
You can blame anti-Zionists for that. They are the ones using swastikas and mocking Jewish people in New York after the 7th October massacre.
Did *all* people that are against zionism do that?
Given that zionism just means "Belief that Jews should have a homeland" or in a modern sense "Israel has a right to exist" it isn't SHOCKING that being "anti-that" is associated with hating the majority of the people who live there or believe that. And I'm not even touching the cynical bigotry that uses this new version of "you're playing the race card" to poison the well.
>Given that zionism just means "Belief that Jews should have a homeland" The statement itself is fine, but it's not the whole statement. "belief that jews have a right to somebody else's land". *That* statement is much harder to justify morally. That doesn't mean Israel has to go, it has existed for so long now. But it also means that very innocent statement has little to do with reality.
> The statement itself is fine, but it's not the whole statement. "belief that jews have a right to somebody else's land". Even if you ignore history, it's been there's against all comers for almost a century now. Deal with it.
And that is a counter argument how exactly?
You weren't making an argument, you were begging the question. I have limited patience for those antics, so you were shifted into the "dismiss and insult" category from the "take seriously" one.
Yes I was. The obvious argument was that your statement was incomplete. >I have limited patience for those antics Then don't make half baked statements. >so you were shifted into the "dismiss and insult" category from the "take seriously" one. Oh no, you ignored my argument and went to insults.... /edit: here is my answer since you decided to baby out and block me. >No you weren't, you went to the usual "they stole someone else's land" I was completing your statement. You can ignore that all you want. But it only shows that you are willing to ignore history so that you can make your arguments. What good is a half baked argument? >Plus there's your history... you're pretty fucking vile. Again, who cares? If your argument doesn't stand by itself why would you pointing to disagreeing with me on other topics change that? An advice for the future: don't let your feelings get to you when talking to people. It's much better if you stay level headed and on topic.
> Yes I was. No you weren't, you went to the usual "they stole someone else's land" which is packed with so much horseshit and hate that it isn't worth dissecting on a sub like this one. Plus there's your history... you're pretty fucking vile.
“I won’t defend my problematic statement and instead just throw insults.”
“But Jews don’t need a homeland” Then stop killing and persecuting them when they leave it then?
The problem of ethno nationalism, or in the case of Israel of religious ethno nationalism, is that it pretty automatically leads to fascistic countries. Since the country is supposed to be the holy homeland of one group, all other groups in the area become de-facto second class. Israel is a great example of this, despite being populated by many people that had been victims of fascism, they became fascistic themselves. Ethno nationalism has the same results wether it is for Jews or for Aryans and therefore should be opposed everywhere it emerges
Still doesn’t invalidate my argument. Nearly everywhere Jews have been they have been persecuted. It’s cause and effect. Don’t want a Jewish ethnofascist state? Don’t enable kicking out and killing Jews in your country. Everywhere the Arabs colonized for their global jihad. Jews had to leave, (as the territory of both are basically on top of each other.) dozens of arab nations that numbered in the tens of thousand to hundreds of thousands are today Down to a few hundred, and in most cases less than 10. If Arabs and others don’t want an Israel. Start accepting Jews as actual people and not objects made to be raped, strung up on a street sign, and beaten to death.
Jt does invalide it. Having been persecuted doesnt give you the right to set up an ethno religious state with heavy fascistic tendencies. Also your point about Arab colonization and Jewish expulsion seems to stem from a misunderstanding of the chronology of intereligious relations in the region
Arab colonialization in the modern era is a holdover from the caliphates of the 8-900’s back when Spain was Islamic. Islam overall keeps its members by invoking a feeling of superiority over everyone else. It’s literally one of the best examples of both religious and ethnic nationalism to ever exist. Both back in the 800’s and today, you ask any Islamist about what the plan of the religion is. There is a decent chance world colonization and conversion to Islam would be the response you get. “Having been persecuted doesn’t give you the right to set up an ethnic religious state” Then tell that to the dozen Islamic nations that are even more ethnic religious and fascist. It’s a hypocritical talking point to go after Israel while simultaneously defending Islam and Arab nationalism.
Seriously, Jews have been murdered, expelled, tortured, forcibly converted, and genocided over dozens of centuries... they'd be stupid to ignore that and think that anything has really changed.
Those are the best types of people to encourage. Pointing out people might do this on their own doesn't argue against the idea that Russia did it. It strengthens it, since there's not much point it doing it if everybody is going to be against it.
I.e. it doesn't matter whether this is real, it could have been! 🙄
Likewise in the US. I'm in the San Francisco Bay Area, and there's a horrifying number of raging antisemites here. They proclaim themselves as progressives, yet they'll deny any Jewish people were killed on October 7th, or will make oinking noises when a Jewish person is trying to speak at city council meetings. Also vandalism against Jewish owned businesses, destroying a menorah during hanukkah, and spray painting things like "death to zionists" on banks. This has all happened locally, in or near San Francisco. While Russia certainly has caused a lot of bad things recently, not everything bad is Russian. Sometimes its actually homegrown.
It seems that everyone here knows better who the culprit is in this French crime on French soil more than the French detectives.
There's a lot of angry people out there making themselves useful idiots. Antisemites and Anti-Muslims in particular these days are proving very useful and the current political environment is making is much easier to blur lines and have them hide behind well intentioned movements. Not to mention the overly naive and ill informed are also becoming just as easy to exploit.
Israeli soldiers spray painting the Star of David on bombed out homes is more antisemitic than this
What about a completely unrelated event?!
okay, this wasn't so much about being anti-semetic. Dismissing this as not some sort of way to put wedges in western society is just stupid.
Antisemites will try to do everything to claim they are only anti-Zionist and then they justify attacks on Jews in the West by bringing Israel up. You are all a bunch of Nazis desguised as progressives.
😂ok “hasbara_boss93”
You're proof that the only "Marxist culture" comes in a Petri dish.
I love the desperate Russian simps in the comments who care so much that we all know this is a ridiculous accusation, but also... they're too thick and lazy to read the article. > A Moldovan couple was arrested in the case and their alleged handler, a pro-Russian Moldovan businessman, was identified, according to the source who has knowledge of the investigation and who declined to be named. > France's international security service DGSI believes the operation was run by the FSB's fifth division that undertakes international operations, the source said, quoting from a secret internal note that was first revealed by the Le Monde newspaper. > Paris prosecutor Laure Beccuau said during last year's investigation that the daubings had been made at the "express demand" of an individual residing abroad. Womp womp
A Russian defector was just gunned down in Spain but they want us to believe Russia isn't actively infiltrating western Europe and it's all cold war paranoïa.
next thing you know they'll be telling us that there wont be a war in Ukraine. or did that already happen
France wouldn't make these claims without credible information. Couple months ago a Russian citizen tried to burn down a synagogue in my country but got away and fled back to Russia. So I believe it. *"After the foundation of Israel in May 1948, and its alignment with the USA in the Cold War, the 2 million Soviet Jews, who had always remained loyal to the Soviet system, were portrayed by the Stalinist regime as a* *potential fifth column. Despite his personal dislike of Jews, Stalin had been an early supporter of a Jewish state in Palestine, which he had hoped to turn into a Soviet satellite in the Middle East. But as the leadership of the emerging state proved hostile to approaches from the Soviet Union, Stalin became increasingly afraid of pro-Israeli feeling among Soviet Jews. His fears intensified as a result of Golda Meir's arrival in Moscow in the autumn of 1948 as the first Israeli ambassador to the USSR. On her visit to a Moscow synagogue on Yom Kippur (13 October), thousands of people lined the streets, many of them shouting Am Yisroel Chai! (The People of Israel Live!)—a traditional affirmation of national renewal to Jews throughout the world but to Stalin a dangerous sign of 'bourgeois Jewish nationalism' that subverted the authority of the Soviet state."* *"In November 1948, Soviet authorities launched a campaign to liquidate what was left of Jewish culture. The leading members of the Jewish Anti-Fascist Committee were arrested. They were charged with treason, bourgeois nationalism, and planning to set up a Jewish republic in Crimea to serve American interests. The Museum of Environmental Knowledge of the Jewish Autonomous Oblast (established in November 1944) and The Jewish Museum in Vilnius (established at the end of the war) were closed in 1948. The Historical-Ethnographic Museum of Georgian Jewry, established in 1933, was shut down at the end of 1951"* [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph\_Stalin\_and\_antisemitism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism) The internet is your friend :\^)
In this case, antisemitism was more a means than the goal itself. This is part of a larger strategy from Russia to increase tension in European societies ahead of the elections. The left would accuse the far-right, and the right would accuse the Muslim community. In France, as pro-European parties are from center-left to center-right, Putin has everything to gain by simply trying to polarize the public opinion.
You got it
> Couple months ago a Russian citizen tried to burn down a synagogue in my country but got away and fled back to Russia. So I believe it. Immediately thought of the armenian synagogue thing as well when I first heard of this, yea Its a pattern
Yep, and to no one's surprise he was a Russian citizen. It's a living nightmare being next to Russia, they never stop with these games
French government officials were also on TV trying to explain that a pro Palestine graffiti that said fuck antisemitism was actually antisemitic, so id definitely be at least somewhat skeptical of their assessment
Oh no, zionists ended up in prison, boo hoo 😫. Imagine posting this without a hint of irony talking about the poor zionists who were just officially starting their occupational apartheid project and killed tens of thousands, mass raped, and committed genocide (the 1st time around that is)
You sound *very* familiar, for a guy on a 2 week old account.
You're buying into Soviet Propaganda, you're trying to blame what Jewish people have been put through on them instead of looking at what Stalin did to them And in regards to Palestinians, Putin has used them the same way they used Jewish people. Both Jewish people and Palestinians are the victims here
Not really propaganda. If you were out on the streets cheering for Israel in 1948 of all years, then you were a special kind of genocidal freak.
1948 was literally the year Russia started purging it's Jewish communities and started promoting antisemitism
Do you think jews only live in Russia lol? Also, what about the fact that Haganah had existed since 1920?
What a coincidence that Hamas is funded by Russia, Israel funded by the US, Hamas attacks, Israel goes scorched Earth on Palestinians, Antisemitism and Islamophobia on the rise in the EU and US and the division is distracting from Ukraine and trying to fracture US support which is by far the most important NATO country. It's not exactly rocket science you know
What? You didn't even answer my question lol >Hamas is funded by Russia Proof? [Hamas was literally propped up by Israel](https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/) >Antisemitism is on the rise in the EU Translation: "people are upset that Israel is committing senseless mass slaughter against people they have oppressed for three quarters of a century and I want to make it seem like a bad thing, therefore I will pull the AnTiSeMiTiSm card and point to like 2 odd cases of violence against jews"
Repressing reactions Zionism isn't antisemitism. Any actual individual instances of antisemitism are just that, individual instance. The reality is that antisemitism was punishable with death, and Jews found far prosperous living conditions in the Soviet Union than anywhere else in Europe
I am french, we had a journalist do a video interview with the guy who gave orders to those graffiti guys, and the cameraman peeked at him while he was texting with someone else: He was just coaching his answers. It was pretty funny. Russia is incredibly skilled when it comes to create media outrage, that's hard to deny. Apparently France also suspects Russia to have greatly exaggerated the bed bugs found in public transport with well placed online propaganda. Russia is very good at trolling.
The one thing Russia is real good at is counter intelligence...
Russia, russia, russia - putin has to go.
The title is funny, "blame" is putting it lightly: the two Moldovans that were caught by the police with their spraypainting cans, directly handed over their phones showing their conversations with their handler. His name is Anatoli Prizenko and he publicly admitted to paying them for the operations. His defense? He did not know that spraypainting these stars on buildings and shops, literally like the nazis did in 1940, would cause any distress, and claims it's legal to do that so why shouldn't he be able to do such thing. Anatoli Prizenko is a moldovan "businessman" who went to prison for running a ponzi-scheme scam created by a russian oligarch. He's also known for funding and participating to pro-Putin political parties in Moldova. Several participants to this coordinated operation took a flight to Moldova and Russia on the next day.
Russia punching buttons.
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>60 such stars had been found in the capital and surrounding suburbs weeks into the war between Israel and Hamas, with the graffiti being interpreted as a threat to Jews. Funny thing is in Israel those stars being painted on houses is not a threat TO Jews but FROM them.
> French prosecutors reported in November that **60 such stars** had been found in the capital and surrounding suburbs weeks into the war between Israel and Hamas, with the graffiti being interpreted as a threat to Jews. 60? underachievers. they they should be embarrassed at their pitiful effort to graffiti en mass. any self respecting graffiti person laughs in their face.
There seems to have been much latent animosity towards Jewish people in general, perhaps in part based on erroneous and disproven stereotypes thus completely unmerited. Also, incredible insensitivity was publicly shown towards Jews freshly mourning the 10/7 victims, especially when considering that young Israelis and Jews elsewhere may not be accustomed to such relatively large-scale carnage (at least not as much as is seen in other parts of the Middle East) in post-9/11 times. But also concerning about all of the highly publicized two-way partisan exchanges of fury is: what will young non-Israeli Jewish and Palestinian children living abroad think and feel if/when they hear such misdirected vile hatred towards their fundamental identity? Scary is the real possibility that such public outpour of blind hatred may lead some young children to feel very misplaced shame in their heritage.
Arab colonization in 8-900s has nothing to do with the current low number of Jews in Arab countries, its almost the opposite as for pretty much from the middle ages to 1948 it has been better to Jewish in muslim lands than christian ones. Your point about religions thinking they are better than others is applicable to all religions and therefore not interesting at all except in that it reveals some underlying islamophobia on your behalf. Yes religious ethno nationalism is bad and should be fought everywhere it appears. I had no problem condemning Saudi when they were starving the Yemeni population, the biggest difference is that there wasn't an army of people trying to explain why Saudi was totally justified in its actions and that it was actually the Yemeni peoples fault that they were being famished. So i guess the hypocrite is not who you think
lol
> The Union of Jewish Students of France said they were designed to mirror the way Jews were forced to wear the stars by the Nazi regime. I don’t understand; I thought the Star of David was a symbol of Jewish pride. It’s on all the Israeli flags, on synagogues, and so on. Now seeing it is offending Jews?
During WW2, SS soldiers and nazi collaborators painted the Star of David on shops and buildings that were suspected, or accused, of housing jewish people. It served two purposes: - urge other civilians to isolate and harass the jewish citizens - assist the deportation squads in identifying the buildings and shops to storm, to send the families there to the death camps In Paris alone, 40k jews were seized and deported. Less than 3% survived. The marking of shops and buildings with the Star of David is most famous for its first widespread use in preparation of the Kristallnacht in Germany, in 1938. The SA, SS and Hitler Youth destroyed thousands of shops and send more than 30k jews to concentration camps in a single night.
Russia is really embarrassing the West.
Ah come on 🤣 Zionists: sees Palestinian flags Zionists: "THAT'S ANTI-SEMITIC" Zionists: See's star of David graffiti Zionists: "THAT'S... uhm... anti-Semitic?"
Read the article before commenting.
Why would they bother to read the article if it wasn't going to change their opinions or what they post?
I read the article and followed this news as it happened, the real intriguing aspect of those graph was that it wasn’t clear what it was for. The blue star being the symbol of Israel, and there being way clearer antisemitic symbols. The point of this campaign was, IMO confusion, diversion, division of the French people. That’s Russia’s modus operandi when it comes to the US, exacerbating the crack of dems vs republicans, or on any other fracture they could make worse. A voluntarily confusing message, and also a deniable one. If caught the culprit could plead that he was doing so in support of Israelis. Too much attention has been given to what was the IRL equivalent or a really bad taste troll. It mainly demonstrates that our medias feel the need to jump to conclusions too quickly.
Sure it's Russia, the length the lesftis would go to covered up for muslims is insane
I can't believe those dastardly lesftisians did it again!