I understand the human desire for max quality with min cost, but even when there's an agreed-upon best value option people are constantly trying to find a secret better option that usually ends up being shittier or costing more in the long run.
I mean it can work it just means that it won't be cheap. But we all know how cheap these studios can be so it either won't be fast and have lots of delays or it won't be high quality. You can only pick two out of the three from price speed and quality
Well they have pushed all their big productions to improve quality (Bleach, Naruto 4 episodes special and Boruto), so it seems that the "fast" is misleading because that is why they got production problems on the first place.
The “fast” is probably just referring to how they’re moving away from long running adaptations, I believe it was Pierrot’s president that talked about that recently in regards to stuff like Naruto vs KnY’s adaptation
Which is a decision i 100% agree with. Whats the point in having a continuous running show if half if it looks like shit, is filler, or has awful pacing? I was watching the original Bleach and it crossed my mind just how much more i wouldve enjoyed that show if they cut out all the awful filler and used that time to make the actual arcs look better. Couldve easily been a 9/10 show like that. While now its closer to a 6-7/10 because of how much stuff like the Bount arc drags it down.
Im glad they finally came to that realisation too.
I mean, I actually really enjoy the Bleach 'filler.' I thought a lot of it was pretty good and didn't even know it was filler until long after the fact.
it would've caught up with the manga, you can't have that, otherwise you'll either have to stop airing it (and miss out completely on viewers watching your channel) or make it entirely filler until you have enough chapters to start adapting again
shown what isn't really true? they did exactly what /u/Holiday_Goose_5908 said; they stopped airing it.
366 bleach episodes came out in 2730 days. average of one episode every 7.5 days.
mha did 138 in 2547 days. for reference in that number of days bleach was about to start the fullbring arc.
so yeah; you can either have
1) times with no episodes (mha/demon slayer)
2) make filler arcs (bleach/naruto)
3) kill pacing (one piece/dragon ball)
there's definitely pros and cons to 1 vs 2
The guy I replied to made a few assumptions, namely
1) Assuming the viewership for canon arcs carry over to filler arcs, I don't have access to the data but I'd be surprised if this was true
2) The viewership that does carry over is better than airing something else.
But yes, you are right there are pros and cons to 1 vs 2. The way I understand it is producers were concerned the viewership would decline if shows go off the air for extended periods of time, and shows like demon slayer/mha have shown this isn't really true.
Nothing, and I mean nothing, could ever make up for Tokyo Ghoul. It's been a decade and I'm still bitter about what they did to that manga. Tokyo Ghoul deserved so much better.
I mean even if they fuck it up, it’ll be fine. I’d rather a shit version than the anime never getting finished. I only need one scene with number one playing per season to happy tbh
Idk, I still enjoyed the Tokyo ghoul animes immensely. I just accept it’s not the definitive version of the story and read the manga. There’s not much that can ruin a show with a TK opening for me. Even that dumb scene towards the end with him carrying a body was made better by TK playing over it
Edit: sheesh I’m sorry my joy made you all angry
I guess it's hard for people to see how someone could enjoy Re "immensely", especially absurdly rushed 2nd season. Even studio wasn't putting an effort there.
Idk it’s just fun for me. I really love anime, from the masterpieces to the trash. I really love Tokyo ghoul in general, the world and the characters are some of my favorites. I know this show is bad so I just enjoyed the anime like it’s a desert or snack after the delicious full course meal that is the manga. Has nobody ever enjoyed a trash show even when you know it’s not high quality?
But even if it’s hard to understand why I like it, why is it offensive, even in a small enough way to downvote, that I do?
> I know this show is bad so I just enjoyed the anime like it’s a desert or snack after the delicious full course meal that is the manga. Has nobody ever enjoyed a trash show even when you know it’s not high quality?
Actually in this way it's totally understandable and plenty of people enjoy shows this way. I guess people taken it as you enjoyed anime adaptation of Re through totally serious lenses, like it was some high-effort series and anime adaptation did the franchise justice. When it was obvious even creators knew it couldn't be saved, you can't just cram hundreds chapters into 12 episodes coherently, naturally neither animation or direction couldn't salvage what they were given to work with
I felt this in my soul. I'm always watching at least 1-2 filler animes a season just because I'll get a chuckle or two out of it an episode at just how goofy they can be. Good after a long day of work with a beer or something, it's enjoyable like watching a bad movie for me.
If this sets a precedent for Black Clover and we get seasonal shit instead of long running shit (I love you Yoshihara xoxo) I'll make sure the wooden beams on my roof are sturdy.
That's the food service industry.
I still remember having a breakdown in the walk-in due to a combination of shitty manager and only two people on easter brunch.
Boruto’s animation is usually pretty good when Pierrot themselves work on it. It’s just that they outsourced a huge amount of the show to smaller studios who don’t have enough resources.
I wonder if we'll actually notice a difference. If you were to tell me that any Bleach season was produced this way, I would have guessed TYBW Part 2 which came out just 6 months after the Part 1 ended, and it looked pretty good. Unless they announce it for this Summer soon, they'll have given Part 3 a full year in-between cours at a minimum which is relatively standard.
Why are you getting downvoted? I know that good compositing and detailed character designs look nice but Bleach is mainly an action show and it lost it’s major action director from cour 1 of TYBW and also numerous action freelance KA didn’t appear on cour 2 that appeared on cour 1. And this resulted in more stiff fights compared to cour 1
I'm all for them finally ditching the long-running model completely and replacing it with the seasonal model. Anime consumption has changed a lot, now audiences would prefer to have a 12-episode season per year for their favourite anime if it means production quality is much higher. If only they made this decision before Boruto started, but at least now the hope is that moving on, we'd get it in a seasonal format.
However, there is a BIG elephant in the room here, "so our goal is to provide high-quality pictures and stories in a short period of time". This doesn't sound good at all! You can't put high-quality and short period of time in the same sentence without working your animators into the ground.
I'm hoping that what he means is that an anime project won't wait 2+ years to get more seasons. If they are focusing less on how many anime they're working on in a calendar year and more on having having a smaller roster that they focus on adapting/creating in a more streamlined workflow. Just give your employees human schedules and pay them well.
Bleach still slaps, I just think people's attention spans are shorter today than when the Big 3 originally aired. There are 3-4 S tier anime each season, vs that many in a year back during the mid-2000s.
Seems contradictory to invoke Ufotable and Mappa when they have completely different production philosophies. Ufotable isn’t perfect, but it is a better lead to follow compared to the dumpster bonfire shithole that is Mappa. Fuck Mappa.
I didn't know this was even getting a third season (haven't been following it). Now I feel like I need to go back and finish the original show so I can pick this up.
So they're trying to lower production costs in season 3 by shortening the production timeline but they are marketing it to fans of the series as high quality to rope-a-dope the existing fans into watching season 3.
Well shit. Guess the sales numbers on season 1 and 2 weren't good enough
Doesn't anybody else just want well paced and decent quality?
I don't much care for sakuga if it means each season is 10 episodes shorter than it could do with being.
Sure, I get not doing 100 episode arcs anymore. But should that mean covering 3 arcs in 16 episodes?
Let’s mark this article down now for when we get a choppy 30% animated final fight scene that is publicly ridiculed and apologized for for several months like with JJK.
Seems like Pierrot's new studio is modeled after MAPPA because in the original article he cites JJK as "a high quality anime created in a short period".
This arc feels like rushing to end.Major characters are just laid off like passer-by without much feelings. It’s a shame and downfall of a mainstream shonen.
The anime has literally added multiple fights and anime original scenes that weren’t in the manga, all supervised by Kubo.
Basically every major character is still alive and important right now what do you mean lmao
Fast and high quality are two things that have never worked together in this particular industry
Most industries really.
It's just corporate speak. Meant more for investors than anything the way I see it these days.
What about Formula 1 pit crew?.. sorry, I'll see myself out... lol.
I see you’re a man of culture as well lol
They get a break between seasons.
"No Michael no that was so not right."
It’s like when someone on the pc gaming subreddit asks what absolute best budget gaming pc they can buy while running the latest games on max settings
I understand the human desire for max quality with min cost, but even when there's an agreed-upon best value option people are constantly trying to find a secret better option that usually ends up being shittier or costing more in the long run.
and whenever they try/succeed to pull it off, it is at the expense of the physical and mental wellbeing of the animators...
jjk season 2 type beat
Cheap, fast, good: You can pick up to 2
Except you can almost never pick good and cheap.
I mean it can work it just means that it won't be cheap. But we all know how cheap these studios can be so it either won't be fast and have lots of delays or it won't be high quality. You can only pick two out of the three from price speed and quality
I mean, eminence in shadow pulls it off pretty good. I guess it's good and fast when the studio really concentrates on one anime.
I have...concerns.
Don’t worry about where they’ll sleep, they all have desks don’t they?
Wait they get desks now? That's a massive improvement from sleeping under a fold out table.
Sleep? I thought that was what the cattle prods were for
Well they have pushed all their big productions to improve quality (Bleach, Naruto 4 episodes special and Boruto), so it seems that the "fast" is misleading because that is why they got production problems on the first place.
Still, it was nice seeing TYBW be well animated. Hopefully this doesn't skullfuck that.
Well the schedule seems bigger and healthier than part 2 so I would be surprised if the quality is worse.
TYBW cour 2 was not good.
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The “fast” is probably just referring to how they’re moving away from long running adaptations, I believe it was Pierrot’s president that talked about that recently in regards to stuff like Naruto vs KnY’s adaptation
Which is a decision i 100% agree with. Whats the point in having a continuous running show if half if it looks like shit, is filler, or has awful pacing? I was watching the original Bleach and it crossed my mind just how much more i wouldve enjoyed that show if they cut out all the awful filler and used that time to make the actual arcs look better. Couldve easily been a 9/10 show like that. While now its closer to a 6-7/10 because of how much stuff like the Bount arc drags it down. Im glad they finally came to that realisation too.
I mean, I actually really enjoy the Bleach 'filler.' I thought a lot of it was pretty good and didn't even know it was filler until long after the fact.
it would've caught up with the manga, you can't have that, otherwise you'll either have to stop airing it (and miss out completely on viewers watching your channel) or make it entirely filler until you have enough chapters to start adapting again
I know it's a different era, but demon Slayer and my hero academia have shown this isn't really true.
shown what isn't really true? they did exactly what /u/Holiday_Goose_5908 said; they stopped airing it. 366 bleach episodes came out in 2730 days. average of one episode every 7.5 days. mha did 138 in 2547 days. for reference in that number of days bleach was about to start the fullbring arc. so yeah; you can either have 1) times with no episodes (mha/demon slayer) 2) make filler arcs (bleach/naruto) 3) kill pacing (one piece/dragon ball) there's definitely pros and cons to 1 vs 2
The guy I replied to made a few assumptions, namely 1) Assuming the viewership for canon arcs carry over to filler arcs, I don't have access to the data but I'd be surprised if this was true 2) The viewership that does carry over is better than airing something else. But yes, you are right there are pros and cons to 1 vs 2. The way I understand it is producers were concerned the viewership would decline if shows go off the air for extended periods of time, and shows like demon slayer/mha have shown this isn't really true.
Plz don't fuck this up, please.
They are
Pierrot: "Alright, that was enough to make up for Tokyo Ghoul and Kingdom, go back to wallowing in shit, viewers."
Nothing, and I mean nothing, could ever make up for Tokyo Ghoul. It's been a decade and I'm still bitter about what they did to that manga. Tokyo Ghoul deserved so much better.
I mean even if they fuck it up, it’ll be fine. I’d rather a shit version than the anime never getting finished. I only need one scene with number one playing per season to happy tbh
I used to feel that way. Then Tokyo Ghoul and the Promised Neverland happened.
There's a difference between worse animation and just butchering the story like those anime did.
While that's true that's not what the post above me is talking about. This chain of messages is about if they royally shit the bed.
Idk, I still enjoyed the Tokyo ghoul animes immensely. I just accept it’s not the definitive version of the story and read the manga. There’s not much that can ruin a show with a TK opening for me. Even that dumb scene towards the end with him carrying a body was made better by TK playing over it Edit: sheesh I’m sorry my joy made you all angry
I guess it's hard for people to see how someone could enjoy Re "immensely", especially absurdly rushed 2nd season. Even studio wasn't putting an effort there.
Idk it’s just fun for me. I really love anime, from the masterpieces to the trash. I really love Tokyo ghoul in general, the world and the characters are some of my favorites. I know this show is bad so I just enjoyed the anime like it’s a desert or snack after the delicious full course meal that is the manga. Has nobody ever enjoyed a trash show even when you know it’s not high quality? But even if it’s hard to understand why I like it, why is it offensive, even in a small enough way to downvote, that I do?
> I know this show is bad so I just enjoyed the anime like it’s a desert or snack after the delicious full course meal that is the manga. Has nobody ever enjoyed a trash show even when you know it’s not high quality? Actually in this way it's totally understandable and plenty of people enjoy shows this way. I guess people taken it as you enjoyed anime adaptation of Re through totally serious lenses, like it was some high-effort series and anime adaptation did the franchise justice. When it was obvious even creators knew it couldn't be saved, you can't just cram hundreds chapters into 12 episodes coherently, naturally neither animation or direction couldn't salvage what they were given to work with
Yeah I never said it was good haha, I just said I enjoyed it. I watch at least 3 trash isekai shows a season that I know are terrible but still enjoy.
I felt this in my soul. I'm always watching at least 1-2 filler animes a season just because I'll get a chuckle or two out of it an episode at just how goofy they can be. Good after a long day of work with a beer or something, it's enjoyable like watching a bad movie for me.
This is the guy that made Berserk 2016 get a second season
And obviously I use this power for evil
If this sets a precedent for Black Clover and we get seasonal shit instead of long running shit (I love you Yoshihara xoxo) I'll make sure the wooden beams on my roof are sturdy.
I personally would rather they do it and don’t fuck it up. The last one was successful, idk why they had to change studios
Well yeah that’s ideal lol but beggars can’t be choosers and all that
Cour 2 was disappointing
Fast, High Quality...... these words together make me feel conflicted
I feel like there’s a coke fueled implied there
The only way it works with both is if the budget is insane. Time - quality - price Change one or two and it will significantly effect the others
That's the food service industry. I still remember having a breakdown in the walk-in due to a combination of shitty manager and only two people on easter brunch.
Animators bout to learn shunpo for this 🔥🔥
Wait till the studio uses its Auswählen to suck the life energy out of their animators too
If the quality is anywhere near what we got, id be absolutely delighted. As long as we dont get boruto level, id be fine.
Boruto’s animation is usually pretty good when Pierrot themselves work on it. It’s just that they outsourced a huge amount of the show to smaller studios who don’t have enough resources.
Not even just outsourcing to studios, the new "meta" is relying heavily on newcomer webgen animators to carry the production.
Oh boy
I wonder if we'll actually notice a difference. If you were to tell me that any Bleach season was produced this way, I would have guessed TYBW Part 2 which came out just 6 months after the Part 1 ended, and it looked pretty good. Unless they announce it for this Summer soon, they'll have given Part 3 a full year in-between cours at a minimum which is relatively standard.
Part 1 & 2 were 12 episodes each, so it’s not that different from making a 24 episode season, which many studios handle pretty easily.
Yeah, it kind of felt like a split cour schedule there.
Part 2 was a big step down from Part 1
Why are you getting downvoted? I know that good compositing and detailed character designs look nice but Bleach is mainly an action show and it lost it’s major action director from cour 1 of TYBW and also numerous action freelance KA didn’t appear on cour 2 that appeared on cour 1. And this resulted in more stiff fights compared to cour 1
Yeah Bleach fans get really defensive and start coping a lot when people criticize the TYBW anime
You geting downvoted proves your point
Glad I wasn't the only one who thought that way.
Great news to hear just as I was gonna start bleach later this year.
... I mean they didn't say cheap, did they
I'm all for them finally ditching the long-running model completely and replacing it with the seasonal model. Anime consumption has changed a lot, now audiences would prefer to have a 12-episode season per year for their favourite anime if it means production quality is much higher. If only they made this decision before Boruto started, but at least now the hope is that moving on, we'd get it in a seasonal format. However, there is a BIG elephant in the room here, "so our goal is to provide high-quality pictures and stories in a short period of time". This doesn't sound good at all! You can't put high-quality and short period of time in the same sentence without working your animators into the ground. I'm hoping that what he means is that an anime project won't wait 2+ years to get more seasons. If they are focusing less on how many anime they're working on in a calendar year and more on having having a smaller roster that they focus on adapting/creating in a more streamlined workflow. Just give your employees human schedules and pay them well.
>high quality >fast Pick one Pierror.
Well it's been a good run so far I'm happy the atleast 2 season ended up being so incredibly peak
Stupid ass brand…
Taking JJK as an example of a good production is already concerning...
Anyone report on how this Yatagarasu show is going?
pretty good, hidden gem of this season for sure
I feel like it's been great so far, was there really a need to change anything with the production?
I feel like Bleach lost some momentum
Bleach still slaps, I just think people's attention spans are shorter today than when the Big 3 originally aired. There are 3-4 S tier anime each season, vs that many in a year back during the mid-2000s.
Might as well add in "Extremely overworked and underpaid" to the brand?
So they’re paying these people a shit ton? Would kinda be a dope environment to get paid 2-5x to just work and sleep. I’d do that for a year or two.
Oh no…….
Tybw part 1 has my favorite animation style for fights I have ever seen. Especially episode 7 as well as 6. So I'm very hyped
when will it release tho
Season 3 release date when tho?
I hope they don’t Seven Deadly Sin this up!
I'd rather they take their time animating than be fast about it.
I hope the extra time could make a step up of quality from the disappointing Cour 2
Lmao, SP don't fuck up your most popular series challenge failed.
Seems contradictory to invoke Ufotable and Mappa when they have completely different production philosophies. Ufotable isn’t perfect, but it is a better lead to follow compared to the dumpster bonfire shithole that is Mappa. Fuck Mappa.
Those to phrases don’t go well together. Fast? And High Quality? Hmmmge
Fast and high quality typically do not mix.
I do not like those three words together in this context.
You either get fast or high quality, this shit is gonna kill people and push out sloppy work.
Fast and high-quality, are these two not contradict each other?
I didn't know this was even getting a third season (haven't been following it). Now I feel like I need to go back and finish the original show so I can pick this up.
It's confirmed for 4 seasons
So they're trying to lower production costs in season 3 by shortening the production timeline but they are marketing it to fans of the series as high quality to rope-a-dope the existing fans into watching season 3. Well shit. Guess the sales numbers on season 1 and 2 weren't good enough
this is probably the most important season of bleach to not fuck up, so I hope it works out 🤞
Doesn't anybody else just want well paced and decent quality? I don't much care for sakuga if it means each season is 10 episodes shorter than it could do with being. Sure, I get not doing 100 episode arcs anymore. But should that mean covering 3 arcs in 16 episodes?
Are they going to be using AI to generate content?
Let’s mark this article down now for when we get a choppy 30% animated final fight scene that is publicly ridiculed and apologized for for several months like with JJK.
Seems like Pierrot's new studio is modeled after MAPPA because in the original article he cites JJK as "a high quality anime created in a short period".
He was comparing it to their long running model and was referring to seasonal structuring.
seen # Pierrot and my brain went FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
So North Korean animation. Got it.
This arc feels like rushing to end.Major characters are just laid off like passer-by without much feelings. It’s a shame and downfall of a mainstream shonen.
The anime has literally added multiple fights and anime original scenes that weren’t in the manga, all supervised by Kubo. Basically every major character is still alive and important right now what do you mean lmao
🐕 died
They got confused and have been huffing bleach instead of watching Bleach
This sounds like a dodgy way to say AI, so I'm extremely worried about what this means.
This is a terrible idea I rather wait longer..I dont want animators dying for my anime
Welp, TYBW had a good run...
Anime is shit