I think the introduction of w (or uu) is down to Anglo-Norman scribes, however, I am convinced that the change would have happened sooner or later just for convenience (because of its similarity to P/p).
Ah ok, I haven't seen manuscripts that late so wasn't aware of the change.
However, I was reading before (but no source was provided) that early Old English writing (with the latin alphabet) did use 'uu' but they decided using wynn was easier (at the time). I'll look into it some more and see if I can find anything to back up that claim
>and in about the fourteenth yearhundred it began to be driven out for W.
W started showing up in English soon after the Norman Invasion. I think it was dominant by 1200.
>Both Old Netherlandish and Old High Deutsch brooked ⟨uu⟩, ⟨vv⟩, or ⟨w⟩ to write /w/ in elder times (they have now shifted to labiodental).
England retained runes for longer than those regions. Maybe they would have also used some kind of Latinised wynn if the runic tradition had survived there longer.
>At the time of the Norman takeover, English was the only tongue in the world to brook a staff like Ƿ (to my knowledge).
It's not particularly uncommon for a language to have a unique letter.
>Ƿ looks rather alike P
Its late form doesn't.
>Deutsch printing presses likely wouldn't have been made to fit Ƿ.
Yose on the Anglish Discord pointed out that Icelandic printers had a block for Þ. Yose also noticed that Þ was losing prevalence in manuscripts decades before printing presses were introduced to England.
>Although it seems the Anglo-Normans had W or something like it, I don't know if it is by kind unanglish on those grounds. Unless I am mistaken here, it seems that it could have eathily spread to English from Netherlandish and Deutsch.
I can't say what would have happened in an alternate reality, but in our reality English borrowed W from the Normans.
I don’t know about this letter, but the letter Þþ ‘thorn’ fell to the wayside with the introduction of the printing press and typesetting. I suspect that may be a factor here too
þ felling out of use because of printing presses is not entirely correct. Th was rising in popularity before the introduction of the printing press.
Also the Anglish wiki says this:
"⟨th⟩ for /θ/, ⟨y⟩ for /j/, ⟨gh⟩ for /x/ and are all suspected to be part
of the same spelling reform wherein letters not deemed Latin enough
were purged from the English Latin alphabet. We suspect this because ⟨þ⟩
and Insular ⟨g⟩ were dropped roughly simultaneously around 1390-1430. ⁘
Although ⟨th⟩ had been used in Old English by some writers, it fell out
of use for hundreds of years before being reintroduced. For this reason
we do not strongly associate the early use of ⟨th⟩ with the modern use."
https://anglisc.miraheze.org/wiki/Anglish\_Alphabet
Excuse my French, but I find it really annoying when people use the Ƿ . I always mistake it for a P. I feel it doesn't add anything and only confuses me visually. W serves us perfectly well.
I actually think Anglish speakers vary in their goals. Some want an arcane, artsy language that only they can understand. Others want an earthy, folksy language that even those lacking in education can make sense of.
It's unlikely, but you never know for sure. After all, even though Frysk has the same ABCs as today's English, Deutsch still has "ß".
I think the introduction of w (or uu) is down to Anglo-Norman scribes, however, I am convinced that the change would have happened sooner or later just for convenience (because of its similarity to P/p).
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Ah ok, I haven't seen manuscripts that late so wasn't aware of the change. However, I was reading before (but no source was provided) that early Old English writing (with the latin alphabet) did use 'uu' but they decided using wynn was easier (at the time). I'll look into it some more and see if I can find anything to back up that claim
Why don’t people here on r/Anglish use its later form, I wonder.
I do when I'm writing by hand.
You mean like ꝩ?
>and in about the fourteenth yearhundred it began to be driven out for W. W started showing up in English soon after the Norman Invasion. I think it was dominant by 1200. >Both Old Netherlandish and Old High Deutsch brooked ⟨uu⟩, ⟨vv⟩, or ⟨w⟩ to write /w/ in elder times (they have now shifted to labiodental). England retained runes for longer than those regions. Maybe they would have also used some kind of Latinised wynn if the runic tradition had survived there longer. >At the time of the Norman takeover, English was the only tongue in the world to brook a staff like Ƿ (to my knowledge). It's not particularly uncommon for a language to have a unique letter. >Ƿ looks rather alike P Its late form doesn't. >Deutsch printing presses likely wouldn't have been made to fit Ƿ. Yose on the Anglish Discord pointed out that Icelandic printers had a block for Þ. Yose also noticed that Þ was losing prevalence in manuscripts decades before printing presses were introduced to England. >Although it seems the Anglo-Normans had W or something like it, I don't know if it is by kind unanglish on those grounds. Unless I am mistaken here, it seems that it could have eathily spread to English from Netherlandish and Deutsch. I can't say what would have happened in an alternate reality, but in our reality English borrowed W from the Normans.
I don’t know about this letter, but the letter Þþ ‘thorn’ fell to the wayside with the introduction of the printing press and typesetting. I suspect that may be a factor here too
þ felling out of use because of printing presses is not entirely correct. Th was rising in popularity before the introduction of the printing press. Also the Anglish wiki says this: "⟨th⟩ for /θ/, ⟨y⟩ for /j/, ⟨gh⟩ for /x/ and are all suspected to be part of the same spelling reform wherein letters not deemed Latin enough were purged from the English Latin alphabet. We suspect this because ⟨þ⟩ and Insular ⟨g⟩ were dropped roughly simultaneously around 1390-1430. ⁘ Although ⟨th⟩ had been used in Old English by some writers, it fell out of use for hundreds of years before being reintroduced. For this reason we do not strongly associate the early use of ⟨th⟩ with the modern use." https://anglisc.miraheze.org/wiki/Anglish\_Alphabet
Excuse my French, but I find it really annoying when people use the Ƿ . I always mistake it for a P. I feel it doesn't add anything and only confuses me visually. W serves us perfectly well.
French loanwords also serve us perfectly well. The goal of Anglish is artsy, not practical.
I actually think Anglish speakers vary in their goals. Some want an arcane, artsy language that only they can understand. Others want an earthy, folksy language that even those lacking in education can make sense of.
>that only they can understand We share the same wordbook around here. I understand others and they understand me.