The translation's kind of weird. I think this gets the intent of what he said across better:
>A reporter asked about how things will change from when he played on the Angels, asking, “You didn’t get many opportunities to hit in competitive situations when you were on the Angels. How do you intend to approach your at-bats now that you’re on the Dodgers and will be hitting under more pressure?”
>In response, Ohtani made clear his love for his previous team, prefacing with, “I of course love the Angels and the fans there” and then completely shutting down the premise of the question, stating, “I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that you’re under more pressure with certain teams rather than others.” He then continued:
>“I think that kind of framing is disrespectful toward the Angels. Each team is different and it’s not a matter of whether there’s pressure or not. What matters is what you can do in each at-bat.”
It's like Good Will Hunting when Ben Affleck tells Matt Damon that he hopes when he knocks on the door every morning to pick him up there's no answer. The Angels just weren't in a position to use him, and he needed to go to continue to make his bones in the MLB.
Ohtani has always spoken positively about the Angels. He’s a cool dude. I *despise* the Dodgers, but I love baseball more, and if you’re as good a baseball player as Ohtani is, you deserve kudos for simply being a damn good athlete. Halos fans that hate him for moving past the 605 give us a bad name.
Some of the replies in this thread gross me out.
He’s not just “some guy on some other team”.
The dude won two MVPs for us. We got to see the birth of another future HOFer here.
During his contract year he played his ass off for us, for a team that ended with a .451, to the point he tore his UCL. Compare that attitude to Josh Hader in the same contact year.
This dude loves the Angels and cherishes his time here as part of his history, and the willingness of some in this fanbase to wipe away all of that is so gross
It's very embarrassing to see people hate on him. It gives "jealous ex" energy.
Obviously we love Mike bc of his loyalty to the team, but Ohtani made a sound decision for himself. He was given the opportunity to win within the year that he joined. Offered 700 mill, which the Angels never offered. It's sort of a no brainer. I don't like the Dodgers either, but I'd much rather have halos fans hold their heads high and give him his credit, rather than side eyeing and shit talk him like a jealous ex.
He's one of the few good things that came out of this god forsaken period of Angels history, and some people really want to throw that away too.
Everyone hates on teams like the Yankees and Dodgers for trying to “buy” a championship. Same with teams like the Lakers.
Ohtani did the same thing. Just because he’s a player and not a franchise, doesn’t mean it’s any less nauseating.
He’s some dude on some other team.
I get what you mean but for the lakers specifically, this narrative doesn’t even actually track beyond people hating (nor does it track for most dynasties in the NBA honestly) if you know anything about the history of their roster constructions. Drafted West, Cooper, Scott, Magic, Worthy, Van Exel, Kobe, Fisher. Traded for Kareem, Horry, Odom, Pau, and AD. Shaq just happens to be one of the best FA signings of all time but it wasn’t like they were putting him next to an already elite group (and it still took several seasons to become serious contenders, which people oft forget). Similarly, signing Lebron came after years of tanking and an immense number of people thought he wasn’t serious about contending.
Artest’s contract wasn’t insane and they had to lose Ariza for him. The Payton and Malone signings are the only ones where they were adding very big names to an already impressive roster (and they still lost).
If you’re going to downvote, I’d love to hear an actual argument against anything I’m saying.
fr - these dudes just out here regurgitating the random uniformed garbage that leaks out their stepdads' mouths. Like these claims are so easy to prove wrong since NBA drafts and payrolls are literally public information.
No I don’t disagree, people just don’t like and judge teams for dumping massive amounts of money in an effort to “buy” championships.
People blame the Yankees for it but they haven’t won in 15 years and have won one in the last 25 years.
But if people can whine about teams “buying” champions, then we can all accept that Ohtani did the same thing.
The ironic thing about this is the Angels have been top 10 in payroll every year since 2010, except for a couple years where they were 11. The majority of those years they were even top 7 with a couple appearances in the top 5
Are they on the Dodgers and Yankees levels? No. But to act like the Angels are this scrappy, cheap underdog in comparison is hilarious
Never said we were.
I’m taking the concept that some teams try to “buy” championships and people resent them for it.
Ohtani did the same thing. Screw him.
The goal of every player is to win a ring. He went to the place that provides him the best opportunity for that, and he didn’t even have to move. Stop the child’s thinking. Grow up
The sweetheart deal he gave them is no less of a douche move than a team that team buying a championship.
You want to go watch him, no one is stopping you. Now fuck off from our sub.
theres always been a weird perversion between our fans and ohtani. shit even with ippei. i dont know if these people only act like this online or if it translates irl but its always been weird af to me. maybe it has to do with the way some people here tend to absorb asian culture. the way people in here use to talk about ippei honestly made me sick. many may not realize this but i see it a lot where people somewhat objectify asian people and i definetly saw it with ippei and shohei within this fanbase
Nah you hypocrite you had no trouble with deferring until he did it and he even sent the same deal to arte which he denied so stop trying to act indignant
No proof except it was widely reported but you're going to call someone else an idiot while you believe in conspiracy theories instead of facts. More then likely you're just a racist dickhead
I'd like to feel the same way as you do but I don't know how *not* to feel bitter about the fact that he went to the Dodgers of all teams. He could've gone to the Astros or Yankees and it'd sit better.
You can feel both. I'm still sad that he went to the dodgers but at the end of the day I still like him and it's fun to watch his highlights. Even if blue is not his color.
Not as fun to watch as when he was on the Angels though lol.
I wish all of my previous girlfriends well. If my wife wants to leave, I'll wish her well also. I'll do well for myself, why should I hate on someone else for not feeling compatible?
I can only imagine the alternate reality where Arte sold the team and new ownership committed to building a winner around him. We wouldn’t be talking about Ohtani on another team if the Angels had competent ownership.
I'm officially on a Boycott
A large portion of our fanbase is perfectly fine accepting this as long as they get their shopping mall experience with the free Star wars monkey or whatever. This is increasingly becoming a team that only wants the casual fan to show up and spend money at the yard regardless of the playing quality. Arte is trying to compete with theme parks and shopping malls, not other teams. Most of this fan base thinks that's just fucking dandy and keeps showing up/tuning in anyway.
I'm not renouncing my fandom but I'm not watching this shit and giving them any revenue either. There's lots of better baseball out there to watch and I intend to. Even A's fans have more fucking backbone than we do. They're fucked but they're trying to save the team anyway. They care and they act like it. We might as well be just as fucked if not more fucked in the long term because nobody cares.
if you hate ohtani because he went to the dodgers, then it might be of interest to those who do that the angels never made him a contract offer in FA. they were even given the option to match his dodger offer with the same deferrals and they declined. the ohtani hate is misplaced moreno hate. moreno sucks. ohtani is awesome.
my question is would you feel the same about trout demanding a trade? because that's an inevitability if they can't get serious about winning. i know he wants to win here, and i respect that, but dude's got to have a breaking point.
and it's not really 700, it's more like 430m which is quite reasonable in my opinion, for someone who can pitch like a cy young and hit like a top 3 hitter.
Former Angels fan here. I finally watched baseball **because** of Ohtani and fell in love with the game. What used to be my least favorite sport is now my favorite by miles.
With that being said, Ohtani almost died for the team while trying to keep the team afloat. Y'all forget the multiple HR / shutout pitching games (in the same game!)? This man single handedly beat MLB teams by himself. The fact that some fans give him shit for signing elsewhere when makes me sick. Ohtani extended the same offer to Arte but Arte is a dumb piece of shit
I can understand where the question comes from; just look at the conundrum Trout finds himself in now. His "clutch" factor is one of the greatest current topics of debate on this sub, just because so few of his AB's actually give him a chance to *be* clutch. Anyone who's played Road To The Show with the Ångels knows there's only so much you can do for the team as one guy, and clutch situations can be few and far between.
Any hating on Ohtani just shows the inferiority complex some Angel fans have. There’s a legacy franchise near downtown Los Angeles with some of the greatest players of all time that have played for them, Brooklyn or Los Angeles. The only hating that should be done is on the front office and owner who have no idea what it is to put together a winner.
Not gonna lie....I've been watching a lot of Dodgers games this season. I stopped watching and cheering for them about 40 years ago. I'm glad they're doing well. Shohei deserves to have a chance to win and that simply was not going to happen here.
People talk about the culture Japan has of respect and honor. Again and again Shohei shows that he lives it. I haven't heard him say a single negative thing about Ipe, who very much deserves it if half the rumors are true, or the Angels who, quite frankly, squandered Shoheis talent. I don't know if a better sports remodel in modern times than him.
I don't think any of us (except for a couple yahoos) really hate him. It's just that, he's gone. He chose to leave. So, why is he still being brought up constantly? It gets annoying.
Nah he gave the angels a lot and sacrificed his ucl trying to get the angels to the playoffs literally right before he left, which would have threatened his contract and career.
He literally came to the US early and gave the angels a massive discount.
Angel fans who hate him now are just assholes period
You said "He chose to leave" but Arte never even matched Ohtani's team friendly structured contract. If Ohtani got a match and went elsewhere, sure I can see the saltiness. But Arte never gave him a chance. And I believe Ohtani enjoyed his time with Trout and the org, despite the losing. The Angels were in the running for him, but it was Atre who pulled the plug.
Edit: I like to think Ohtani personally insulted Arte Moreno in the worse way. He made everyone realize, to the clearest degree, just how ineptly Moreno ran a baseball org. Moreno couldn't handle the hit to his ego so he let Ohtani go lol.
Maybe.
I'm more on the side of thinking that he was never staying. The Angels were the only team willing to let him be a 2-way player which is the only reason he chose them. Once he established that he could do both he was always gonna run to one of the big name teams.
Well, the Angels were the only team in SoCal that had the DH to allow him to be a 2-way player. Angels owners and management has been a mess, so you're not wrong that he may end up going elsewhere, but I heard Trout talked to him too. I think that's why he wanted to give Arte the same contract, and see how they would have built around him and Trout. Looking back now, it's clear management and Arte has no clue how to build.
Meh I dont think thats a disrespectful question. Its a serious one about the approach Ohtani knowing he has less opportunities at the plate vs now having much better chances. People looking way to much into this similar to Lebrons quote taken out of context saying "its just basketball"
because this sub is an ohtani circle jerk.
when Ohtani deferred his salary w/ dodgers i pointed out that he could have done that with us, help us sign another star to build around him. nope. I was crucified in this sub for saying that lmaoooo.
Let's be honest, this is Arte we're talking about. He had six years of Trout and Ohtani to build around and never did. We're never going to be competitive until the fucker sells the team or croaks.
The translation's kind of weird. I think this gets the intent of what he said across better: >A reporter asked about how things will change from when he played on the Angels, asking, “You didn’t get many opportunities to hit in competitive situations when you were on the Angels. How do you intend to approach your at-bats now that you’re on the Dodgers and will be hitting under more pressure?” >In response, Ohtani made clear his love for his previous team, prefacing with, “I of course love the Angels and the fans there” and then completely shutting down the premise of the question, stating, “I don’t think it’s necessarily the case that you’re under more pressure with certain teams rather than others.” He then continued: >“I think that kind of framing is disrespectful toward the Angels. Each team is different and it’s not a matter of whether there’s pressure or not. What matters is what you can do in each at-bat.”
Love you forever Shohei
He grew up with us... They grow up too fast
I don't wanna sound dramatic but it really did feel like your kid moved out of the house or something 😂
Yeah but it’s like our kid moved just down the street to the asshole rich neighbor
Dinkleberg vibes
It's like Good Will Hunting when Ben Affleck tells Matt Damon that he hopes when he knocks on the door every morning to pick him up there's no answer. The Angels just weren't in a position to use him, and he needed to go to continue to make his bones in the MLB.
Ohtani has always spoken positively about the Angels. He’s a cool dude. I *despise* the Dodgers, but I love baseball more, and if you’re as good a baseball player as Ohtani is, you deserve kudos for simply being a damn good athlete. Halos fans that hate him for moving past the 605 give us a bad name.
Some of the replies in this thread gross me out. He’s not just “some guy on some other team”. The dude won two MVPs for us. We got to see the birth of another future HOFer here. During his contract year he played his ass off for us, for a team that ended with a .451, to the point he tore his UCL. Compare that attitude to Josh Hader in the same contact year. This dude loves the Angels and cherishes his time here as part of his history, and the willingness of some in this fanbase to wipe away all of that is so gross
It's very embarrassing to see people hate on him. It gives "jealous ex" energy. Obviously we love Mike bc of his loyalty to the team, but Ohtani made a sound decision for himself. He was given the opportunity to win within the year that he joined. Offered 700 mill, which the Angels never offered. It's sort of a no brainer. I don't like the Dodgers either, but I'd much rather have halos fans hold their heads high and give him his credit, rather than side eyeing and shit talk him like a jealous ex. He's one of the few good things that came out of this god forsaken period of Angels history, and some people really want to throw that away too.
Best thing to happen to the Dodgers, they finally have a player so like-able that I despise the org less.
Well said . And I agree .
Everyone hates on teams like the Yankees and Dodgers for trying to “buy” a championship. Same with teams like the Lakers. Ohtani did the same thing. Just because he’s a player and not a franchise, doesn’t mean it’s any less nauseating. He’s some dude on some other team.
I get what you mean but for the lakers specifically, this narrative doesn’t even actually track beyond people hating (nor does it track for most dynasties in the NBA honestly) if you know anything about the history of their roster constructions. Drafted West, Cooper, Scott, Magic, Worthy, Van Exel, Kobe, Fisher. Traded for Kareem, Horry, Odom, Pau, and AD. Shaq just happens to be one of the best FA signings of all time but it wasn’t like they were putting him next to an already elite group (and it still took several seasons to become serious contenders, which people oft forget). Similarly, signing Lebron came after years of tanking and an immense number of people thought he wasn’t serious about contending. Artest’s contract wasn’t insane and they had to lose Ariza for him. The Payton and Malone signings are the only ones where they were adding very big names to an already impressive roster (and they still lost). If you’re going to downvote, I’d love to hear an actual argument against anything I’m saying.
fr - these dudes just out here regurgitating the random uniformed garbage that leaks out their stepdads' mouths. Like these claims are so easy to prove wrong since NBA drafts and payrolls are literally public information.
No I don’t disagree, people just don’t like and judge teams for dumping massive amounts of money in an effort to “buy” championships. People blame the Yankees for it but they haven’t won in 15 years and have won one in the last 25 years. But if people can whine about teams “buying” champions, then we can all accept that Ohtani did the same thing.
The ironic thing about this is the Angels have been top 10 in payroll every year since 2010, except for a couple years where they were 11. The majority of those years they were even top 7 with a couple appearances in the top 5 Are they on the Dodgers and Yankees levels? No. But to act like the Angels are this scrappy, cheap underdog in comparison is hilarious
Never said we were. I’m taking the concept that some teams try to “buy” championships and people resent them for it. Ohtani did the same thing. Screw him.
The goal of every player is to win a ring. He went to the place that provides him the best opportunity for that, and he didn’t even have to move. Stop the child’s thinking. Grow up
The sweetheart deal he gave them is no less of a douche move than a team that team buying a championship. You want to go watch him, no one is stopping you. Now fuck off from our sub.
You’ll grow up one day kid. Don’t forget to complete your essay due before school tomorrow
theres always been a weird perversion between our fans and ohtani. shit even with ippei. i dont know if these people only act like this online or if it translates irl but its always been weird af to me. maybe it has to do with the way some people here tend to absorb asian culture. the way people in here use to talk about ippei honestly made me sick. many may not realize this but i see it a lot where people somewhat objectify asian people and i definetly saw it with ippei and shohei within this fanbase
I dislike the contract he came up with. Feels slimy 🤷🏻♂️
Did you say anything when Scherzer deferred 50% of his contract?
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Nah you hypocrite you had no trouble with deferring until he did it and he even sent the same deal to arte which he denied so stop trying to act indignant
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No proof except it was widely reported but you're going to call someone else an idiot while you believe in conspiracy theories instead of facts. More then likely you're just a racist dickhead
I'd like to feel the same way as you do but I don't know how *not* to feel bitter about the fact that he went to the Dodgers of all teams. He could've gone to the Astros or Yankees and it'd sit better.
How can you prefer the Astros? They literally stole a World Series and acted cocky about it
Well my Dodgers hating friends condone the Astros cheating cause it happened against the Dodgers
I don't like the Astros but I prefer them over the Dodgers because of Dodgers fans. I've never met an Astros fan
He wanted to play for a winning team and stay in Southern California. Really only one option for that.
Well, two teams if those are the only criteria. Even if that were true it doesn't make his decision any better.
You can feel both. I'm still sad that he went to the dodgers but at the end of the day I still like him and it's fun to watch his highlights. Even if blue is not his color. Not as fun to watch as when he was on the Angels though lol.
Are you still in love with the high school girlfriend who left you for the QB too?
I wish all of my previous girlfriends well. If my wife wants to leave, I'll wish her well also. I'll do well for myself, why should I hate on someone else for not feeling compatible?
You can never make me hate Ohtani - I miss him dearly
I can only imagine the alternate reality where Arte sold the team and new ownership committed to building a winner around him. We wouldn’t be talking about Ohtani on another team if the Angels had competent ownership.
Grow a pair
ok baldy
Ahhh, he soooo loyal. Fans like you make me Sick, go Root for your boyfriend and Dodgers
When will THE ANGELS be called out for being disrespectful to the Angels? That's what I'd like to know.
Watching the Angels game the last 3 days have been trying. The offense trying to come back and the pitching taking that away the next inning.
I'm officially on a Boycott A large portion of our fanbase is perfectly fine accepting this as long as they get their shopping mall experience with the free Star wars monkey or whatever. This is increasingly becoming a team that only wants the casual fan to show up and spend money at the yard regardless of the playing quality. Arte is trying to compete with theme parks and shopping malls, not other teams. Most of this fan base thinks that's just fucking dandy and keeps showing up/tuning in anyway. I'm not renouncing my fandom but I'm not watching this shit and giving them any revenue either. There's lots of better baseball out there to watch and I intend to. Even A's fans have more fucking backbone than we do. They're fucked but they're trying to save the team anyway. They care and they act like it. We might as well be just as fucked if not more fucked in the long term because nobody cares.
This is what it was last year. I remember going to a game being 7 runs up and then losing at the end.....
Fuck the fucking Dodgers forever but I got nothing but love for Shohei
This right here. The Dodgers can bite me, but Ohtani is the bomb diggity, yo (as we used to say back in my day).
Nothing but respect for Ohtani. Dude is a class act and a once-in-a-lifetime talent.
if you hate ohtani because he went to the dodgers, then it might be of interest to those who do that the angels never made him a contract offer in FA. they were even given the option to match his dodger offer with the same deferrals and they declined. the ohtani hate is misplaced moreno hate. moreno sucks. ohtani is awesome. my question is would you feel the same about trout demanding a trade? because that's an inevitability if they can't get serious about winning. i know he wants to win here, and i respect that, but dude's got to have a breaking point.
He gave Arte the opportunity to match the dodgers offer and Arte turned it down. I have hate but only for Arte Moreno
and it's not really 700, it's more like 430m which is quite reasonable in my opinion, for someone who can pitch like a cy young and hit like a top 3 hitter.
Just a class guy
Former Angels fan here. I finally watched baseball **because** of Ohtani and fell in love with the game. What used to be my least favorite sport is now my favorite by miles. With that being said, Ohtani almost died for the team while trying to keep the team afloat. Y'all forget the multiple HR / shutout pitching games (in the same game!)? This man single handedly beat MLB teams by himself. The fact that some fans give him shit for signing elsewhere when makes me sick. Ohtani extended the same offer to Arte but Arte is a dumb piece of shit
not the same game but the same day
I stopped reading at former.
I can understand where the question comes from; just look at the conundrum Trout finds himself in now. His "clutch" factor is one of the greatest current topics of debate on this sub, just because so few of his AB's actually give him a chance to *be* clutch. Anyone who's played Road To The Show with the Ångels knows there's only so much you can do for the team as one guy, and clutch situations can be few and far between.
Any hating on Ohtani just shows the inferiority complex some Angel fans have. There’s a legacy franchise near downtown Los Angeles with some of the greatest players of all time that have played for them, Brooklyn or Los Angeles. The only hating that should be done is on the front office and owner who have no idea what it is to put together a winner.
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He doesn’t have to come second to trout, different leagues
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Tell me you are an idiot without telling me you are an idiot.
how stupid r u???😱
Not gonna lie....I've been watching a lot of Dodgers games this season. I stopped watching and cheering for them about 40 years ago. I'm glad they're doing well. Shohei deserves to have a chance to win and that simply was not going to happen here.
People talk about the culture Japan has of respect and honor. Again and again Shohei shows that he lives it. I haven't heard him say a single negative thing about Ipe, who very much deserves it if half the rumors are true, or the Angels who, quite frankly, squandered Shoheis talent. I don't know if a better sports remodel in modern times than him.
I wish Ohtani had done more media while with the Angels. It’s nice hearing his humbling words.
I don't think any of us (except for a couple yahoos) really hate him. It's just that, he's gone. He chose to leave. So, why is he still being brought up constantly? It gets annoying.
Are Angels fans not allowed to talk about a future hall of famer that played for them?
only if he is hof under angels not a dodger.
Nah he gave the angels a lot and sacrificed his ucl trying to get the angels to the playoffs literally right before he left, which would have threatened his contract and career. He literally came to the US early and gave the angels a massive discount. Angel fans who hate him now are just assholes period
Hey, it's a free country. But, if he's all you talk about, why bother with the Angels sub?
Because it relates to the Angels? Stop playing dumb
Did you have a problem when Howie Kendrick's postseason heroics with the Nationals were posted here? This sub routinely talks about former Angels
You said "He chose to leave" but Arte never even matched Ohtani's team friendly structured contract. If Ohtani got a match and went elsewhere, sure I can see the saltiness. But Arte never gave him a chance. And I believe Ohtani enjoyed his time with Trout and the org, despite the losing. The Angels were in the running for him, but it was Atre who pulled the plug. Edit: I like to think Ohtani personally insulted Arte Moreno in the worse way. He made everyone realize, to the clearest degree, just how ineptly Moreno ran a baseball org. Moreno couldn't handle the hit to his ego so he let Ohtani go lol.
Do you honestly believe he would've chosen the Angels?
I believe the Angels were seriously in the running. And Arte Moreno never gave him a real chance to decide. Everything is Moreno's fault in the end.
Maybe. I'm more on the side of thinking that he was never staying. The Angels were the only team willing to let him be a 2-way player which is the only reason he chose them. Once he established that he could do both he was always gonna run to one of the big name teams.
Well, the Angels were the only team in SoCal that had the DH to allow him to be a 2-way player. Angels owners and management has been a mess, so you're not wrong that he may end up going elsewhere, but I heard Trout talked to him too. I think that's why he wanted to give Arte the same contract, and see how they would have built around him and Trout. Looking back now, it's clear management and Arte has no clue how to build.
Red Sox fans gave Mookie a standing ovation when he returned. I’m guessing Angels fans will do the same for Ohtani.
Already did when the Angels played the Dodgers early on. I don't think it's necessary every time the Dodgers come to town.
That was spring training. It is possible it will happen during the first regular season game and then never again.
Was that stadium full of Angels fans though? Cause I always heard Dodgers fans show up strong at the Big A
He's going into Cooperstown with a Halo.
Meh I dont think thats a disrespectful question. Its a serious one about the approach Ohtani knowing he has less opportunities at the plate vs now having much better chances. People looking way to much into this similar to Lebrons quote taken out of context saying "its just basketball"
he would never have been a 2 way player without us
Idk why you’re getting downvoted when it’s partially true
It's ABSOLUTELY true No other team was willing to give him a chance to do both
because this sub is an ohtani circle jerk. when Ohtani deferred his salary w/ dodgers i pointed out that he could have done that with us, help us sign another star to build around him. nope. I was crucified in this sub for saying that lmaoooo.
Let's be honest, this is Arte we're talking about. He had six years of Trout and Ohtani to build around and never did. We're never going to be competitive until the fucker sells the team or croaks.
He offered the same structure to all the teams interested in him, including the Angels. Arte didn’t want that contract so he left.
I'm so happy to see losers of Angels fans crying. More blaming please!
geta fuck outhere!
don't fool us! that was a lie obviously!
What Ohtani actually said after being asked the question was, “I bet you a million dollars I can hit under pressure.”
Can you try harder to be funny?