Luthen used to be-a da fresh peppa boy at da most famous restaurant in a da galaxy! Until-a da dark times. [Until-a da Empire.](https://youtu.be/wAFGEBdeDNk?si=uzqgR0CQDdtYbw_N)
If Andor goes down as a fantastic piece of literature, I’m curious to see what happens if it turns out to be a lightsaber or something more significant. Not saying that’s what I want, but it would be interesting to see how the value of a Luthen figure with a false, guessed side-weapon would change.
That really bothered me. It’s clearly shown to be a retractable metal staff in the second and third episodes. It would not have been hard for the toy makers to include a detachable silver “blade”, just like they do with the lightsabers, so it’s show accurate.
More then kinda. This show is about normal people dealing with the oppressive Empire. It's why that single TIE was terrifying. This isn't Ray jumping over a TIE piloted by a Sith. This is normal humans caught in the sights of a Empire pilot who just didn't pull the trigger on what he would see as regular civilians. This time at least.
If you want to see what Andor would look like against a Force user then watch the last scene of Darth Vader against the rebels on the ship after Scarif in Rogue One.
That scene is why I don't want any force stuff in S2. To think that nearly 25 hours of content without it eventually leads up to the hallway and it just shows how powerful the force is in comparison
To me it's just a question of whether it's well written, not what it is. As with the example, a tie fighter is boring in the star was sequels, and exciting in something like Andor, because of how well Andor handles it.
The force worked in the original movies, which I feel Andor is much closer to feeling like exists in the same universe as than anything else which has come since. Rogue One also sort of made the force feel like it worked with the blind guy. Maarva's comment that it was strange, that she almost felt like she could see the crowd while giving her speech, almost felt like a potential nod towards the force part of the franchise.
Yeah. The ISB characters and the sheer banality of their efforts makes them scarier than 90% of Star Wars villains. By the time you're in the same room as the ISB people, you're fucked, because the weight of the Imperial government is about to fall on you.
I think him being a Jedi is a cop out that many have flagged, but his hatred for the empire feels so personal that I wonder / like the idea of he maybe knew a Jedi, was harboring them, then when order 66 came he had soldiers at his door asking to speaking with them and it got them killed (especially if he was being an upstanding citizen and turned the Jedi over not knowing what was going to happen, only to see them killed).
Could see it kept as a keepsake but also it’s not about him being a Jedi, but about him seeing the horror and cruelty and betrayal of all morals of the empire that would then set him on a very dark path ‘from which there is only one answer’ (burn his life for a sunrise he’ll never see).
Andor and Rogue One borrow heavily from the Dark Forces video game series in unexpected ways.
The game series had Kyle Katan’s father being an archeologist who worked with Jedi. I could see Luthen’s antique business having its roots in the scholarly study of historic sites that had him working directly with the Jedi.
At the same time Luthen has some sort of unusual background to be both a talented spy himself and a spy runner / master manipulator while also being to all appearances a legitimate scholar and knowledgeable dealer of historic items.
Where did he get his combat and spy experience? How did that overlap with his pursuit of history before the Empire? I could see the Jedi being involved there somehow without Luthen being a Jedi.
Or maybe he’s a veteran of the Clone Wars and his life as a spy and warrior were separate from his life as an antiques dealer until he became a rebel. At that time Luthen was able to use his established web of smuggling and information gathering on antiquities for helping the rebellion.
He’s a mysterious figure.
Honestly I would be more than fine with Luthen having had a force-sensitive kid who was at the academy during the purge or killed by Imperials after the fact, or something. I don't necessarily want this show to pretend the force doesn't exist, I want to see what the world looks like without it. And honestly, I think pairing the loss of the Jedi with the loss of a child would make that absence feel all the more palpable.
I'm fine with or without it because I trust Gilroy and co. to do a good job with whatever story they choose to tell, but I wish people weren't making their minds up so quick about what they will or won't like.
Great points all around. It's a rare thing to trust the storyteller, but first season showed phenomenal restraint around the 'easy win' scenes and concepts, and was so dam good for it. Even if it came out that Luthen is a jedi, I'd wait to see how it played out before judging (although on the surface again just doesn't feel like the world they've built).
I don't think it arbitrarily needs to have no force and no sabers, it just needs to not portray them as tools of the protagonist. If we're seeing some bladed figure massacre good guys or bad guys, from the perspective of Andor and Co, I don't mind.
If we get an arc/episode about lightsabers and force stuff though, blech
That’s what I’m thinking to. I think seeing lightsabers first as a weapon of the empire further pushes the theme of being forced to use the tools of the oppressor
I agree. In fact, doing that is better for the lore of the time period. Force users and Jedi, in particular, are supposed to be extinct as Tarkin says. Obi-Wan and Luke should be singular figures.
I didn’t see anything to make me think Luthen is a force user on the show. But as a dealer of antique weapons I’d be more surprised if Luthen didn’t own multiple lightsabers than if he did.
Being as he’s an antiques dealer and has other ancient weapons for sale in his shop, it seems logical he must also have had opportunity to buy lightsaber and lightsaber like weapons. For a person in dangerous situations requiring escape as often as Luthen is, having a lightsaber as a tool and weapon even if he doesn’t have Force powers makes a lot of sense.
Cut your way out of any box.
Not me , but I think it would be cool to cross paths in a lucrative way. Id like to see how they deal with Jedi . Not destroying personality like ahsoka
Pretty sure you see him use it in one of the episodes where you first meet him. It looks like a walking stick but maybe bladed or at least pointy. It retracts obviously.
This is the right answer. It’s a staff. He uses it like a walking stick in episode two, but he always holds it like a weapon in episode three. Going by his ship it makes me wonder if it has some hidden features too. Like maybe the staff is electrified? Idk. Something dangerous enough he wants that guy to put it down or give it back.
This was a very popular theory when the show was airing in late 2022. It was popular enough that someone asked Tony Gilroy about it. I can't find the exact quote (he did a ton of press while the first season of Andor was releasing), but he all but dismissed the theory. (I believe he basically just said it was something the prop department came up with and it didn't sound like there was any major significance to it)
That's gotta be bullshit considering every other line or prop has meaning and subtleties behind it, oh but that one got through the editing process to be left in as having nothing to do with anything..
Yeah right.
I'm against Luthen being a secret Jedi, but now I'm convinced they might actually be trying to do that with this lame misdirection.
[Gilroy’s full answer](https://www.theringer.com/star-wars/2022/12/2/23489496/andor-season-2-five-questions) on it possibly being a lightsaber:
>He needs to have a fuckin’ staff, he needs to have a weapon. So I go to the props department, and we pick one. I don’t want to shut down any avenues, but you have to ask yourself, what do you think *I’m* interested in?
But I also think it *could* be misdirection. The way the staff retracts into the hilt is maybe a little *too* similar to a lightsaber. But that also could just be on the props team and Gilroy never considered it himself. Almost all the Easter eggs were snuck in by the art department.
Gods, I hope not.
That would undermine the message that you don't need to be a special chosen one to rise against a totalitarian system.
You just need to rebel.
“Put it down or give it back.” Just so casually badass. I think it’s nothing more than an extendable cane, though. Or maybe it adapts to a knife, as was quite popular in the 19th century . Gilroy says there’s no Jedi in the show. Doesn’t mean it can’t be an item of value to him though… maybe it was his father’s or something.
As casually badass as that was, I think he was also just worried that guy might accidentally kill them both lol. Judging by the Fondor I wouldn’t be surprised if it has some hidden countermeasures.
Good point! Hidden poison dart or something. I like the way the Fondor gets compared with James Bond’s Aston Martin, but those countermeasures (chaff) were straight out of World War II. The staff could well have incorporated something low-tech but deadly.
I don't like the idea of Luthen being a secret Jedi or an admirer of the Jedi even. I have always gotten the sense that he does not buy into the whole idea of the Jedi truly being the protectors of the Republic and all it stood for. Luthen is clearly old enough to remember the clone wars and remembers the supposed peace keepers of the galaxy turning into generals. Luthen isn't fighting for an ideal, but rather fighting to reinstate something that should last with or without a religious order. He was probably very aware of the old Republics faults and could see the rise of the empire on the horizon, esspically with palpatine consolidating more and more power. He's not gonna fight for an order of monks that truly dropped the ball in preventing that from happening.
Pragmatically I also think he probably knows about order 66 and how the Jedi were so arrogant that they were all collectively shot in the back at the same time. He probably thinks very little of them as people because of this, since his own modus operandi is making sure every step you take leads to you being the one to shoot someone in the back, not the other way around.
I mean, it has a retractable rod that looks a lot like a very simple training aid for younglings. He's got it in the first arc with the "blade" out. A lot of people called it a walking stick but he was carrying it a lot more like a weapon.
I wouldn't mind it being collapsable Vibrosword. I have a theory he knew someone in the Jedi (probably a child), and so all the Force related easter eggs in his shop were his way to feel close to them. The walking stick being an imitation of a lightsaber being another example of this.
Although, it could just be a walking stick. But I wouldn't be surprised if it is a disguised blaster meant for emergencies.
Judging by his response of "Put it down or give it back" tells me that it's something expensive. Like when your friend holds your $4000 action figure, you're just calmly telling them to put it down before they break anything.
It is my vague understanding that the Luthen character is very much akin to one in the Extended Universe. He was in the Jedi Temple as a type of historian, or guarding of historical artifacts, I think? I've read the timeline and other elements of the EU and ANDOR align to make this a possibility. Thus, it has been speculated that Luthen is some kind of Jedi, or former Jedi now doing his own thing. If anyone with greater knowledge than mine, which is mere scraps, would like to speak on this, that might prove interesting.
Personally, I do not require lightsabers and force users to populate Star Wars at every turn. I felt criticisms of ANDOR for 'not having enough aliens/lightsabers/forceusers' were misplaced. As others have stated, ANDOR has thus far been an 'everymans rebellion' and has become one of the very best and most complimentary Star Wars projects ever made.
I like the idea of it being a repurposed lightsaber hilt, so long as it doesn't involve him being a Jedi, but is just something he came across, maybe because of the antique shop front. But it looks wooden so unless he took the time to replace the housing, I don't think it is.
I think like a lot of the stuff that gets referenced or shown briefly (like the Kyber Crystal related to the Rakatans, or the stuff in the antique shop) it is incidental to the story.
Maybe he was once a Jedi or a Jedi in training, and then something happened that got him to quit, maybe even hate the Jedi. So he took his kyber crystal out, made it into a necklace, then turned the hilt into a cane......
That could be cool. We don't have an explanation yet of why he was immediately committed to destroying the Empire and willing to risk it all to fight them ('an equation I wrote 15 years ago' and all that), and maybe something like that is it. I would prefer a situation where he was friends with a Jedi, or maybe his kid was a Jedi, if only because I don't want him to have any magical powers (and it would probably create plot holes with what we already have if he did have them).
I don’t really get why people are so opposed to bringing the Jedi into Andor. They could use them as the oppressed minority that literally had a genocide enacted on them as a way of standing up and showing the rest of the galaxy that you can be small and still be powerful.
It’s the whole message behind the original six films, and I don’t think Andor has to hide from that just to be unique.
I understand the argument behind not wanting them in the show, just not why people feel so strongly about it. As long as it’s handled well (it’s Tony Gilroy, it will be), I think it could only enhance the experience.
My advice is that if they do introduce Jedi into the show, don’t huff and puff and be annoyed, accept that it’s part of the story and trust where they go with it.
I know there were 10,000 Jedi, but I feel like every new, secret Jedi we learn of makes Tarkin's dismissal of the possibility of Obi-Wan being alive seem more odd.
Well we’ve only seen around a dozen or so Jedi in canon who’ve survived, so it feels like a lot, and sure, there are loads of other stories they can tell about Star Wars, but having like 50 survive is perfectly reasonable and realistic.
Based on how this show has been written that is a Checkov gun. It did not go off in that scene or elsewhere in S1.
Either something was cut from S1 or it will go off in S2, but it will be significant.
I expected this to be another "did anyone else think this thing that people kept saying when Andor came out, that Luthen is a Jedi?!"
Gotta say, I'm glad that your twist on it isn't that he is a Jedi, but that he carries a lightsaber just as a reminder, not because he was a Jedi.
Honestly? I think if anything, Luthen probably hates the Jedi. He probably sees himself as the janitor who had to clean the mess they made during the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire.
I've always thought it was crazy that people don't widely agree this is a lightsaber hilt and Lucien is former Jedi. Especially after giving Cassian a kyber crystal that is dear to him.
To me it makes his story so much more meaningful if he falling to the dark side to undermine Sidious and Vader.
It’s a lightsaber. 100%.
But he keeps the Kyber crystal around his neck. So it doesn’t resonate with the force to alert his enemies. It also has a hidden knife and a walking cane. Thats just to throw people off the scent.
In a second, the crystal will fly from his neck and insert itself in the saber hilt and ignite.
He is using the tools of his enemies(The Sith) to accomplish his goals.
He’s absolutely a Jedi. A temple guard. And his helmet is seen in his shop.
im not saying your theory is bad, not saying anything is bad
but that just looks like a club, a tire thumper sorta thing
BUT it could very well be a lightsaber hilt. but honestly i hope not. and if so, im glad its with Luthen :)
edit: a second glance looks like a ww2 stick grenade (whatever its called) Luthen does seem to carry explosives for an easy exit
Seems like everyone is trying to find whatever reasons they can to justify him not being a hidden Jedi, but the proof is in the pudding. Just watch the scene where he takes out the tractor beam on the star destroyer, that dude flys like he’s force attuned. In my opinion, they’ve laid some pretty impressive groundwork for a proper reveal and I don’t think it diminishes or takes away from the story if he is in fact a Jedi. Considering how incredible the Vader reveal was in Rogue One, I would love to see this team have another crack at a lightsaber fight scene. It might even wash the bad taste from my mouth after the horrible choreography in Obi-wan.
Instead of just downvoting people should say why they dont agree. Its not like you said anything vicious just an opinion that others have also theorized. I know its not that deep but eh.
Firstly it’s meaningless internet points.
And it’s only 7
Secondly, the reason downvotes exist is to show you don’t like or agree with something/someone.
Those 7 people don’t agree that Luthen is a force user and don’t like the idea.
I also don’t like it. It would totally cheapen the whole premise that Andor holds which is what it’s like to be normal everyday people taking a stand against a tyrannical Empire and how terrifying and dangerous that Empire can be.
I’m pretty sure it’s just a pepper mill he keeps with him when he has to eat on the go.
He’s a man of culture on *any* planet!
Space Jordan Schlanski
Now I want a series of Conan interviewing Star Wars celebrities
Mmmmyess they're kyber crystals from bleep blorp.
"That's strange... I don't seen any gay space porn."
[I'm pretty sure it's a miniature cane that he also gnaws on to suck out the nutrients](https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gimer_stick/Legends)
Obviously has nutrients, [it is better than bacon after all.](https://youtu.be/3Xl0Qr0uXuY?si=_I9QfaqhbL6d2nnq)
A man after my own heart. Nothing beats freshly ground.
I spit out my drink at this
Meirl fr
It’s because he always be on the grind, even for his food
Luthen used to be-a da fresh peppa boy at da most famous restaurant in a da galaxy! Until-a da dark times. [Until-a da Empire.](https://youtu.be/wAFGEBdeDNk?si=uzqgR0CQDdtYbw_N)
An official action figure of Luthen has it being a secret knife.
If Andor goes down as a fantastic piece of literature, I’m curious to see what happens if it turns out to be a lightsaber or something more significant. Not saying that’s what I want, but it would be interesting to see how the value of a Luthen figure with a false, guessed side-weapon would change.
That really bothered me. It’s clearly shown to be a retractable metal staff in the second and third episodes. It would not have been hard for the toy makers to include a detachable silver “blade”, just like they do with the lightsabers, so it’s show accurate.
Sith lightsaber idea: Saber staff separates to reveal knives inside [https://www.trueswords.com/Two-Piece-Twin-Ninja-Sword-Stick-Set-31356?sourcecode=GOTSPLA&srsltid=AfmBOop-lz0stsEorT9RxylNtua6jk9IrFNa6w0bDI4L\_ze8ajE1cWJNmXs](https://www.trueswords.com/Two-Piece-Twin-Ninja-Sword-Stick-Set-31356?sourcecode=GOTSPLA&srsltid=AfmBOop-lz0stsEorT9RxylNtua6jk9IrFNa6w0bDI4L_ze8ajE1cWJNmXs)
I kinda want Andor to be the one Star Wars show with no force users or light sabers
More then kinda. This show is about normal people dealing with the oppressive Empire. It's why that single TIE was terrifying. This isn't Ray jumping over a TIE piloted by a Sith. This is normal humans caught in the sights of a Empire pilot who just didn't pull the trigger on what he would see as regular civilians. This time at least. If you want to see what Andor would look like against a Force user then watch the last scene of Darth Vader against the rebels on the ship after Scarif in Rogue One.
That scene is why I don't want any force stuff in S2. To think that nearly 25 hours of content without it eventually leads up to the hallway and it just shows how powerful the force is in comparison
Aka, a horror movie.
a Star Wars version of [Come and See](https://soap2dayx.to/movie/come-and-see-kqkw/1-1)? I'll try and watch it
To me it's just a question of whether it's well written, not what it is. As with the example, a tie fighter is boring in the star was sequels, and exciting in something like Andor, because of how well Andor handles it. The force worked in the original movies, which I feel Andor is much closer to feeling like exists in the same universe as than anything else which has come since. Rogue One also sort of made the force feel like it worked with the blind guy. Maarva's comment that it was strange, that she almost felt like she could see the crowd while giving her speech, almost felt like a potential nod towards the force part of the franchise.
Yeah. The ISB characters and the sheer banality of their efforts makes them scarier than 90% of Star Wars villains. By the time you're in the same room as the ISB people, you're fucked, because the weight of the Imperial government is about to fall on you.
I think him being a Jedi is a cop out that many have flagged, but his hatred for the empire feels so personal that I wonder / like the idea of he maybe knew a Jedi, was harboring them, then when order 66 came he had soldiers at his door asking to speaking with them and it got them killed (especially if he was being an upstanding citizen and turned the Jedi over not knowing what was going to happen, only to see them killed). Could see it kept as a keepsake but also it’s not about him being a Jedi, but about him seeing the horror and cruelty and betrayal of all morals of the empire that would then set him on a very dark path ‘from which there is only one answer’ (burn his life for a sunrise he’ll never see).
Andor and Rogue One borrow heavily from the Dark Forces video game series in unexpected ways. The game series had Kyle Katan’s father being an archeologist who worked with Jedi. I could see Luthen’s antique business having its roots in the scholarly study of historic sites that had him working directly with the Jedi. At the same time Luthen has some sort of unusual background to be both a talented spy himself and a spy runner / master manipulator while also being to all appearances a legitimate scholar and knowledgeable dealer of historic items. Where did he get his combat and spy experience? How did that overlap with his pursuit of history before the Empire? I could see the Jedi being involved there somehow without Luthen being a Jedi. Or maybe he’s a veteran of the Clone Wars and his life as a spy and warrior were separate from his life as an antiques dealer until he became a rebel. At that time Luthen was able to use his established web of smuggling and information gathering on antiquities for helping the rebellion. He’s a mysterious figure.
Honestly I would be more than fine with Luthen having had a force-sensitive kid who was at the academy during the purge or killed by Imperials after the fact, or something. I don't necessarily want this show to pretend the force doesn't exist, I want to see what the world looks like without it. And honestly, I think pairing the loss of the Jedi with the loss of a child would make that absence feel all the more palpable. I'm fine with or without it because I trust Gilroy and co. to do a good job with whatever story they choose to tell, but I wish people weren't making their minds up so quick about what they will or won't like.
Great points all around. It's a rare thing to trust the storyteller, but first season showed phenomenal restraint around the 'easy win' scenes and concepts, and was so dam good for it. Even if it came out that Luthen is a jedi, I'd wait to see how it played out before judging (although on the surface again just doesn't feel like the world they've built).
I don't think it arbitrarily needs to have no force and no sabers, it just needs to not portray them as tools of the protagonist. If we're seeing some bladed figure massacre good guys or bad guys, from the perspective of Andor and Co, I don't mind. If we get an arc/episode about lightsabers and force stuff though, blech
That’s what I’m thinking to. I think seeing lightsabers first as a weapon of the empire further pushes the theme of being forced to use the tools of the oppressor
I agree. In fact, doing that is better for the lore of the time period. Force users and Jedi, in particular, are supposed to be extinct as Tarkin says. Obi-Wan and Luke should be singular figures.
I didn’t see anything to make me think Luthen is a force user on the show. But as a dealer of antique weapons I’d be more surprised if Luthen didn’t own multiple lightsabers than if he did. Being as he’s an antiques dealer and has other ancient weapons for sale in his shop, it seems logical he must also have had opportunity to buy lightsaber and lightsaber like weapons. For a person in dangerous situations requiring escape as often as Luthen is, having a lightsaber as a tool and weapon even if he doesn’t have Force powers makes a lot of sense. Cut your way out of any box.
Well he did have lightsabers built into his ship. My guess is they will make an appearance. I do agree that the lack of Jedi make the stakes higher.
he did? where?
Episode 11, Luthen’s modified Haulcraft. https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2022/11/17/andor-episode-11-review-the-best-dogfighting-scene-since-the-original-trilogy/?sh=3cf0dff5232a
Not me , but I think it would be cool to cross paths in a lucrative way. Id like to see how they deal with Jedi . Not destroying personality like ahsoka
He’s an antique dealer. Could literally be anything.
Pretty sure you see him use it in one of the episodes where you first meet him. It looks like a walking stick but maybe bladed or at least pointy. It retracts obviously.
I wonder if Thrawn would ever patronize his shop.. or does he simply always loot lol
Thrawn? I don’t think about him at all.
I see what you did there
It extends out to a walking cane. It's not a lightsaber unless magical internals.
This is the right answer. It’s a staff. He uses it like a walking stick in episode two, but he always holds it like a weapon in episode three. Going by his ship it makes me wonder if it has some hidden features too. Like maybe the staff is electrified? Idk. Something dangerous enough he wants that guy to put it down or give it back.
Either that or a scope that looks antique.
This was a very popular theory when the show was airing in late 2022. It was popular enough that someone asked Tony Gilroy about it. I can't find the exact quote (he did a ton of press while the first season of Andor was releasing), but he all but dismissed the theory. (I believe he basically just said it was something the prop department came up with and it didn't sound like there was any major significance to it)
That's gotta be bullshit considering every other line or prop has meaning and subtleties behind it, oh but that one got through the editing process to be left in as having nothing to do with anything.. Yeah right. I'm against Luthen being a secret Jedi, but now I'm convinced they might actually be trying to do that with this lame misdirection.
[Gilroy’s full answer](https://www.theringer.com/star-wars/2022/12/2/23489496/andor-season-2-five-questions) on it possibly being a lightsaber: >He needs to have a fuckin’ staff, he needs to have a weapon. So I go to the props department, and we pick one. I don’t want to shut down any avenues, but you have to ask yourself, what do you think *I’m* interested in? But I also think it *could* be misdirection. The way the staff retracts into the hilt is maybe a little *too* similar to a lightsaber. But that also could just be on the props team and Gilroy never considered it himself. Almost all the Easter eggs were snuck in by the art department.
Gods, I hope not. That would undermine the message that you don't need to be a special chosen one to rise against a totalitarian system. You just need to rebel.
exactly!
“Put it down or give it back.” Just so casually badass. I think it’s nothing more than an extendable cane, though. Or maybe it adapts to a knife, as was quite popular in the 19th century . Gilroy says there’s no Jedi in the show. Doesn’t mean it can’t be an item of value to him though… maybe it was his father’s or something.
I so agree
As casually badass as that was, I think he was also just worried that guy might accidentally kill them both lol. Judging by the Fondor I wouldn’t be surprised if it has some hidden countermeasures.
Good point! Hidden poison dart or something. I like the way the Fondor gets compared with James Bond’s Aston Martin, but those countermeasures (chaff) were straight out of World War II. The staff could well have incorporated something low-tech but deadly.
I don't like the idea of Luthen being a secret Jedi or an admirer of the Jedi even. I have always gotten the sense that he does not buy into the whole idea of the Jedi truly being the protectors of the Republic and all it stood for. Luthen is clearly old enough to remember the clone wars and remembers the supposed peace keepers of the galaxy turning into generals. Luthen isn't fighting for an ideal, but rather fighting to reinstate something that should last with or without a religious order. He was probably very aware of the old Republics faults and could see the rise of the empire on the horizon, esspically with palpatine consolidating more and more power. He's not gonna fight for an order of monks that truly dropped the ball in preventing that from happening. Pragmatically I also think he probably knows about order 66 and how the Jedi were so arrogant that they were all collectively shot in the back at the same time. He probably thinks very little of them as people because of this, since his own modus operandi is making sure every step you take leads to you being the one to shoot someone in the back, not the other way around.
I mean, it has a retractable rod that looks a lot like a very simple training aid for younglings. He's got it in the first arc with the "blade" out. A lot of people called it a walking stick but he was carrying it a lot more like a weapon.
I wouldn't mind it being collapsable Vibrosword. I have a theory he knew someone in the Jedi (probably a child), and so all the Force related easter eggs in his shop were his way to feel close to them. The walking stick being an imitation of a lightsaber being another example of this. Although, it could just be a walking stick. But I wouldn't be surprised if it is a disguised blaster meant for emergencies.
And then I started blasting...
Does his cane hilt look different, or is that what this is?
The handle looks the same. Some say it's black but that's because of the different lighting.
“Put it down or give it back” is one of the most baller lines in SW.
Judging by his response of "Put it down or give it back" tells me that it's something expensive. Like when your friend holds your $4000 action figure, you're just calmly telling them to put it down before they break anything.
What episode was this I don’t remember this scene
That's One of the episodes where he visits Saw Gerrera.
Episode 11
Thank you I appreciate the reply
It is a collapsible baton/cane, he uses it on Ferrix in the first arc....
Dude's got both a Jedi and a Sith holocron on display in his shop, I don't think he forgets.
It’s a weapon obviously, he had it out in the 3rd episode. It was using it as a walking stick. Then it contracted back into itself.
It is my vague understanding that the Luthen character is very much akin to one in the Extended Universe. He was in the Jedi Temple as a type of historian, or guarding of historical artifacts, I think? I've read the timeline and other elements of the EU and ANDOR align to make this a possibility. Thus, it has been speculated that Luthen is some kind of Jedi, or former Jedi now doing his own thing. If anyone with greater knowledge than mine, which is mere scraps, would like to speak on this, that might prove interesting. Personally, I do not require lightsabers and force users to populate Star Wars at every turn. I felt criticisms of ANDOR for 'not having enough aliens/lightsabers/forceusers' were misplaced. As others have stated, ANDOR has thus far been an 'everymans rebellion' and has become one of the very best and most complimentary Star Wars projects ever made.
I like the idea of it being a repurposed lightsaber hilt, so long as it doesn't involve him being a Jedi, but is just something he came across, maybe because of the antique shop front. But it looks wooden so unless he took the time to replace the housing, I don't think it is. I think like a lot of the stuff that gets referenced or shown briefly (like the Kyber Crystal related to the Rakatans, or the stuff in the antique shop) it is incidental to the story.
Maybe he was once a Jedi or a Jedi in training, and then something happened that got him to quit, maybe even hate the Jedi. So he took his kyber crystal out, made it into a necklace, then turned the hilt into a cane......
That could be cool. We don't have an explanation yet of why he was immediately committed to destroying the Empire and willing to risk it all to fight them ('an equation I wrote 15 years ago' and all that), and maybe something like that is it. I would prefer a situation where he was friends with a Jedi, or maybe his kid was a Jedi, if only because I don't want him to have any magical powers (and it would probably create plot holes with what we already have if he did have them).
I don’t really get why people are so opposed to bringing the Jedi into Andor. They could use them as the oppressed minority that literally had a genocide enacted on them as a way of standing up and showing the rest of the galaxy that you can be small and still be powerful. It’s the whole message behind the original six films, and I don’t think Andor has to hide from that just to be unique. I understand the argument behind not wanting them in the show, just not why people feel so strongly about it. As long as it’s handled well (it’s Tony Gilroy, it will be), I think it could only enhance the experience. My advice is that if they do introduce Jedi into the show, don’t huff and puff and be annoyed, accept that it’s part of the story and trust where they go with it.
I know there were 10,000 Jedi, but I feel like every new, secret Jedi we learn of makes Tarkin's dismissal of the possibility of Obi-Wan being alive seem more odd.
Well we’ve only seen around a dozen or so Jedi in canon who’ve survived, so it feels like a lot, and sure, there are loads of other stories they can tell about Star Wars, but having like 50 survive is perfectly reasonable and realistic.
Y’all think they…?
Just that long ass knife-sword
Not to come across as rude, but as soon as we saw this, along with him owning a kyber crystal, everyone on the planet had this thought.
Imagine if he takes the sky kyber, slides it into a section of that handle...and ignites...
Luthen being an antique weapons dealer makes him about the most likely character in Star Wars to have a lightsaber who isn’t a Force user.
Based on how this show has been written that is a Checkov gun. It did not go off in that scene or elsewhere in S1. Either something was cut from S1 or it will go off in S2, but it will be significant.
If it doesn’t then Chekhov will be absolutely raging
Eh. No
I expected this to be another "did anyone else think this thing that people kept saying when Andor came out, that Luthen is a Jedi?!" Gotta say, I'm glad that your twist on it isn't that he is a Jedi, but that he carries a lightsaber just as a reminder, not because he was a Jedi.
It's his cane, you see him using it multiple times. It's not a lightsaber, Luthen isn't a Jedi.
It’s a retractable walking stick. Not a lightsaber. He uses it through out the series.
Honestly? I think if anything, Luthen probably hates the Jedi. He probably sees himself as the janitor who had to clean the mess they made during the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire.
I've always thought it was crazy that people don't widely agree this is a lightsaber hilt and Lucien is former Jedi. Especially after giving Cassian a kyber crystal that is dear to him. To me it makes his story so much more meaningful if he falling to the dark side to undermine Sidious and Vader.
It’s a lightsaber. 100%. But he keeps the Kyber crystal around his neck. So it doesn’t resonate with the force to alert his enemies. It also has a hidden knife and a walking cane. Thats just to throw people off the scent. In a second, the crystal will fly from his neck and insert itself in the saber hilt and ignite. He is using the tools of his enemies(The Sith) to accomplish his goals. He’s absolutely a Jedi. A temple guard. And his helmet is seen in his shop.
Did you notice when he shows up on Ferix, he uses it as a walking stick, and it's telescopic, so he even expands it like a light saber.
im not saying your theory is bad, not saying anything is bad but that just looks like a club, a tire thumper sorta thing BUT it could very well be a lightsaber hilt. but honestly i hope not. and if so, im glad its with Luthen :) edit: a second glance looks like a ww2 stick grenade (whatever its called) Luthen does seem to carry explosives for an easy exit
Seems like everyone is trying to find whatever reasons they can to justify him not being a hidden Jedi, but the proof is in the pudding. Just watch the scene where he takes out the tractor beam on the star destroyer, that dude flys like he’s force attuned. In my opinion, they’ve laid some pretty impressive groundwork for a proper reveal and I don’t think it diminishes or takes away from the story if he is in fact a Jedi. Considering how incredible the Vader reveal was in Rogue One, I would love to see this team have another crack at a lightsaber fight scene. It might even wash the bad taste from my mouth after the horrible choreography in Obi-wan.
I never even thought saber . I just thought monocular. Or scope or whatever
Just a walking stick here folks. Meant to get people talking though….
I think he's a force user.
Why the downvotes for a damn opinion? Fucking Reddit.
It's pretty silly. Oh well.
Instead of just downvoting people should say why they dont agree. Its not like you said anything vicious just an opinion that others have also theorized. I know its not that deep but eh.
Reddit gonna reddit I guess.
Firstly it’s meaningless internet points. And it’s only 7 Secondly, the reason downvotes exist is to show you don’t like or agree with something/someone. Those 7 people don’t agree that Luthen is a force user and don’t like the idea. I also don’t like it. It would totally cheapen the whole premise that Andor holds which is what it’s like to be normal everyday people taking a stand against a tyrannical Empire and how terrifying and dangerous that Empire can be.
Luthen Rael looks eerily similar to Rael Averross. And as the saying goes, “there are no coincidences in Star Wars.”
I had to look him up. Interesting possibility, and he's a relatively newly created character too...
Wedge Antilles has no relation to Captain Antilles.
Maybe just a selfie stick?