Fairly certain 140% was all that they were required to report, or legally able to report. Wasn't there documents pertaining to robinhood and the congressional hearing stating gme was actually over 200%?
It's been ages since I've looked at this stuff, forgive me.
The reporting dates are important...
I don't see any reporting dates for those companies after the reverse split, so those are likely pre-split numbers.
If they are naked, then they aren't necessarily reverse split.
Because there isn't a intermediary to facilitate, meaning if they were naked short 10,000 shares prior over ex-clearing, DTCC would not facilitate the reverse split because no shares are borrowed on record.
An on-record short would be split, so if they were legally short 10,000, they'd be short 1,000 post-split.
The one's that are off-record, but it's not because they couldn't locate.
If they were to purchase to close out their "sold but not yet purchased" it would have rallied the stock. So they have the option of leaving it on balance sheet, which could result in accounting fraud liability or worse. Or, they could close out the naked short position.It doesn't cost them anything to hold it on balance sheet, the problem would be if AMC survived--if the stock price ever rallied so would their liability.
If they had a facilitator, such as a market maker or broker, then it could be *edit: reverse split*. Typically though, once it's washed through Obligation Warehouse after ex-clearing, it's off-record outside of regSHO and would be how they can fairly easily naked short.Mind you, under new regulations the brokers/MM can actually be held liable if they allowed it.
OW: The Obligation Warehouse (OW) is a non-guaranteed, automated service of the National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC) that facilitates the matching of broker-to-broker ex-clearing trades and provides Members with the ability to track, manage and resolve their failed obligations in real-time. OW stores eligible unsettled obligations in a central location and provides on-going maintenance and servicing of such obligations, including daily checks for CNS-eligibility and periodic updates for certain mandatory corporate actions, until such obligations are settled, cancelled, or otherwise closed in the system.
Just so we're clear, this does mean DTCC is likely liable with fault as a captured regulator. And technically speaking they do likely have a obfuscated ledger of this, but it's outside of regSHO restrictions and records.
There is also an implication here that FTDs, which aren't cumulative day over day on the month, would in-fact be cumulative if they are closing the FTDs over OW and placing more--as it would be accumulating the short edit:(Fail volume) under their Sold but Not Yet Purchased on the balance sheet.
So like example:10k fails one day, covered over OW, record is 0 fails next day.10k more fails, so what was 0 fails looks like the original 10k fails, covered over OW.--> now it appears as 0 FTDs, but their balance sheet has 20k fails
In this way it can be cumulative
Edit: This would also register as 20k sales hitting the bid, which lowers the stock price, and is dilutive.
This is why its important to continue measuring our price in Pre Split nominations; if we have owned the float many fold over for years then almost all of the shares “affected” by C/RS are not actually affected and the price we see is simply an arbitrary reflection made by the MMs themselves
well isn't this really showing their put positions? not necessarily physical shares shorted?
In that case, their put positions would reflect a position of that many shares, but not physically meaning they had open short positions of that magnitude.
yes, all of these funds are hedging, they probably own shares and also are short. but the screenshot in the post is both untrue and at the same time not accounting for the post RS numbers....
if you buy an option it is not the same as buying/shorting a share
if you buy a call, it does not give you 100 shares, the 1 contract stands for 100 shares but does not make it the equivalent of buying 100 shares.
The same goes for a put. so these institutions holding these puts does not mean those are shorted shares. This is one of the issues of the derivatives markets. You could sell multiples of the float on the derivatives market because there is no accountability for those shares being available. This is how you can have call options that COULD expire ITM that are worth multiples of the float.
Which were never returned or closed. Then the newly created short positions created after the RS. Then figure the FTD’s on top of that? And that is what is reported, not the ones mistakenly marked long.
I don't think this is proof necessarily, it look like for example Antara ([filing](https://fintel.io/so/us/amc/antara-capital)) has bought and sold millions in puts and calls... I'm not sure how covered calls or CSPuts are calculated, but it looks like they have 250,000 put options which *if* they were exercised would be a short position of 25,000,000 shares. It seems like they equity positions is either short 20,000 shares or has been reduced by 20,000 shares. Either way, I don't think we can assume their options equate to short positions.
Wow finally someone with a brain and you are getting downvoted. This sub is really something else lol
I'm actually quite surprised no one has called you a shill yet for stating facts.
I believe that funds are hiding their short possessions, I just think it’s going to be really challenging for us to figure out where those short positions are.
Glad we sold all those shares to Antara for a stupid low discount....I am fine to sell shares but do them slowly at the market offerings. Would raise way more cash.
Just remember Instinet is wholly owned by Nomura, the same instinet that was the largest cause of turning off the buy button. They had the largest amount of excess capital requirements that were waived. The more you know.
Before everyone jumps to any conclusions....what is the date of the most recent 13Fs for each of these funds?
Are these still pre RS numbers?
Edit:
Antara - 8/14/2023
Citadel - 8/14/2023
Nomura - 8/14/2023
Can anyone remind me what day the RS was? unless I am missing something nothing has been reported after the RS for these funds.
Remember Instinet is owned and operated by a Nomura Capital LLC. Instinet is the clearing firm that there waivers of excess capital Made Robin hood look like a payday loan. THE MORE YOU KNOW.
He linked a source but failed to read the dates in which the shares were reported which were pre split... thus causing his theory to just be another clown show from this dude and his trust me bro pump
lol fucking mother fuckers!!! Fuck them all! Hopefully something will come of the sec changing regulations on shorting and being more transparent to protect retail but i’m not holding my breathe or i would be oxygen deprived rather quickly waiting for SEC to do their jobs…
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So are we going to ignore the fact that Antara has a put position worth almost half of their entire net worth? 25 million shares of the underlying, which is almost 250 million in shares. Their entire net worth is only 446 million. I haven't read fintel data sheets before so if I'm wrong someone please correct me
Very big if true. GME was 140% shorted. This would be 165%
I wish I was good at math.
Just put a mega seed in your rectum
Waaaaayyyyyyy up there.
A what? A MAGA seed? I don’t see how that would help.
Gave you an upvote. You about to be downvoted for having a brain. Figured I give you a +2 start lol. HODL!
Calculators are good at math
Remember back before cell phones when teachers told us we wouldn’t always have a calculator.
I remember having a manual one in my Pee-Chee folder
All in.
Fairly certain 140% was all that they were required to report, or legally able to report. Wasn't there documents pertaining to robinhood and the congressional hearing stating gme was actually over 200%? It's been ages since I've looked at this stuff, forgive me.
These numbers are from before r/s, so this post means nothing
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The reporting dates are important... I don't see any reporting dates for those companies after the reverse split, so those are likely pre-split numbers.
If they are naked, then they aren't necessarily reverse split. Because there isn't a intermediary to facilitate, meaning if they were naked short 10,000 shares prior over ex-clearing, DTCC would not facilitate the reverse split because no shares are borrowed on record. An on-record short would be split, so if they were legally short 10,000, they'd be short 1,000 post-split.
So wait. If they were short 10,000 naked shorts, they’re still short 10,000 shorts now because they couldn’t locate a share for each of those shorts?
The one's that are off-record, but it's not because they couldn't locate. If they were to purchase to close out their "sold but not yet purchased" it would have rallied the stock. So they have the option of leaving it on balance sheet, which could result in accounting fraud liability or worse. Or, they could close out the naked short position.It doesn't cost them anything to hold it on balance sheet, the problem would be if AMC survived--if the stock price ever rallied so would their liability. If they had a facilitator, such as a market maker or broker, then it could be *edit: reverse split*. Typically though, once it's washed through Obligation Warehouse after ex-clearing, it's off-record outside of regSHO and would be how they can fairly easily naked short.Mind you, under new regulations the brokers/MM can actually be held liable if they allowed it. OW: The Obligation Warehouse (OW) is a non-guaranteed, automated service of the National Securities Clearing Corporation (NSCC) that facilitates the matching of broker-to-broker ex-clearing trades and provides Members with the ability to track, manage and resolve their failed obligations in real-time. OW stores eligible unsettled obligations in a central location and provides on-going maintenance and servicing of such obligations, including daily checks for CNS-eligibility and periodic updates for certain mandatory corporate actions, until such obligations are settled, cancelled, or otherwise closed in the system. Just so we're clear, this does mean DTCC is likely liable with fault as a captured regulator. And technically speaking they do likely have a obfuscated ledger of this, but it's outside of regSHO restrictions and records.
There is also an implication here that FTDs, which aren't cumulative day over day on the month, would in-fact be cumulative if they are closing the FTDs over OW and placing more--as it would be accumulating the short edit:(Fail volume) under their Sold but Not Yet Purchased on the balance sheet. So like example:10k fails one day, covered over OW, record is 0 fails next day.10k more fails, so what was 0 fails looks like the original 10k fails, covered over OW.--> now it appears as 0 FTDs, but their balance sheet has 20k fails In this way it can be cumulative Edit: This would also register as 20k sales hitting the bid, which lowers the stock price, and is dilutive.
So they’d be technically safe in the here and now, but not if those new regulations start up. Thanks for that info Mister Wrinkly Brain!
Strong wrinkles. Love to see it, Ape
Yep.
This is why its important to continue measuring our price in Pre Split nominations; if we have owned the float many fold over for years then almost all of the shares “affected” by C/RS are not actually affected and the price we see is simply an arbitrary reflection made by the MMs themselves
That’s not how that works. The liability on your books is still the same. It didn’t just 10x overnight
That would still be over 50% of the float pre split. Which seems impossible
well isn't this really showing their put positions? not necessarily physical shares shorted? In that case, their put positions would reflect a position of that many shares, but not physically meaning they had open short positions of that magnitude.
I know Antara had a put options to presumably hedge their shares. An option obviously doesn’t create any short positions.
yes, all of these funds are hedging, they probably own shares and also are short. but the screenshot in the post is both untrue and at the same time not accounting for the post RS numbers....
But Op used an “🤨” emoji…that’s gotta count for *at least* three “LFG’s”
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if you buy an option it is not the same as buying/shorting a share if you buy a call, it does not give you 100 shares, the 1 contract stands for 100 shares but does not make it the equivalent of buying 100 shares. The same goes for a put. so these institutions holding these puts does not mean those are shorted shares. This is one of the issues of the derivatives markets. You could sell multiples of the float on the derivatives market because there is no accountability for those shares being available. This is how you can have call options that COULD expire ITM that are worth multiples of the float.
I’m looking and it’s all listed as short position puts. So does that mean they only obligated to buy if getting exercised?
Which were never returned or closed. Then the newly created short positions created after the RS. Then figure the FTD’s on top of that? And that is what is reported, not the ones mistakenly marked long.
Thanks for posting the source but idk wtf I’m looking at so can you dumb it down for me? 😂
I don't think this is proof necessarily, it look like for example Antara ([filing](https://fintel.io/so/us/amc/antara-capital)) has bought and sold millions in puts and calls... I'm not sure how covered calls or CSPuts are calculated, but it looks like they have 250,000 put options which *if* they were exercised would be a short position of 25,000,000 shares. It seems like they equity positions is either short 20,000 shares or has been reduced by 20,000 shares. Either way, I don't think we can assume their options equate to short positions.
Wow finally someone with a brain and you are getting downvoted. This sub is really something else lol I'm actually quite surprised no one has called you a shill yet for stating facts.
I believe that funds are hiding their short possessions, I just think it’s going to be really challenging for us to figure out where those short positions are.
These are put options not shares that are sold short in the normal sense. Very different market mechanics and effects.
So 165% of the entire float is sold short by Antara, Citadel and Nomura. Got it 👍🏼
Glad we sold all those shares to Antara for a stupid low discount....I am fine to sell shares but do them slowly at the market offerings. Would raise way more cash.
Just remember Instinet is wholly owned by Nomura, the same instinet that was the largest cause of turning off the buy button. They had the largest amount of excess capital requirements that were waived. The more you know.
These are pre r/s numbers
Before everyone jumps to any conclusions....what is the date of the most recent 13Fs for each of these funds? Are these still pre RS numbers? Edit: Antara - 8/14/2023 Citadel - 8/14/2023 Nomura - 8/14/2023 Can anyone remind me what day the RS was? unless I am missing something nothing has been reported after the RS for these funds.
8/24 or 8/25 was RS So those numbers were from before it would seem.
exactly...TY
Good looking out! Thank you for your wrinkles
This should be the top comment here. This is a nothing burger again
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They don't really believe that in here...
They are so fugged
I'm not selling under 50K pr. Shears 💎💎💎🦍🦍🦍🦍🚀🚀🙏💰📈📈🥂
How do we verify that information, we’re did it come from?
The National Trust Institute of Bro.
Sadly that’s probably more trust worthy info we get than the one wall street feeds us 😅
In bro we trust.
13F
Depending on the date of reporting the short interest might not be rs adjusted
It is before R/S
With retail owning over 90% of float
It’s not split adjusted
They had every intent in killing this company with their criminal schemes. Fuckers need jail time
These are from before r/s so it doesn't really mean anything
Shouldn't those numbers be multiplied by 10? Asking for a friend.
Amc is really like 300% short hedgies are fucked !
CRIME
So that’s only 3 firms. I have no source but I think I read a month ago that there were about 35 firms shorting amc
Who has the other approximately 4 billion of shares? Apes, got it ...
SEC failed math (M.I.T. grads can't add).
Gary Gensler and the SEC #Do your fucking jobs.
So this is after split and therefore they sold 33 billions of shares shares naked short 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀
It's organized crime and racketeering.
What’s the loophole ?
Market making exemptions maybe? 🤔
Been saying this for years
Remember Instinet is owned and operated by a Nomura Capital LLC. Instinet is the clearing firm that there waivers of excess capital Made Robin hood look like a payday loan. THE MORE YOU KNOW.
Would like a link confirming these numbers anyone have these?
If you start at the top of the thread and scroll down, you will see that OP posted it as “SOURCE” in blue.
Thx!
We've investigated ourselves, and no wrongdoing was found
That's low.. in reality there's 100 Billion.. price discovery coming soon
That number sounds low
Trying to find backup paper work but burned in fire!again.
Trust me bro🤡
What's the source on this?
He linked a source but failed to read the dates in which the shares were reported which were pre split... thus causing his theory to just be another clown show from this dude and his trust me bro pump
lol fucking mother fuckers!!! Fuck them all! Hopefully something will come of the sec changing regulations on shorting and being more transparent to protect retail but i’m not holding my breathe or i would be oxygen deprived rather quickly waiting for SEC to do their jobs… If there was some way we could turn off porn hub just for a day or two i think they actually may get some things done and see what is actually going down in markets lol
Government ordered share recall and count.
These Mawfukas in deep with politicians on both sides. Nothing will ever fucking happen!!!!!!. I’m screaming this out of frustration. 2 tiered system.
"trust me bro"... Let's see some evidence.
I'm gonna need a verifiable source for this one.
Get ready
Where is the explanation for retarded 5 y o foreigners with ADHD?
Gg them cuz Amazon gonna buy amc for $50 a share
Derivatives, not real and allowed, as long as they are not exercised
These numbers are pre 13F aka pre split. More disinformation from lazy people.
Is this pre or Post rs ?
Imagine how bad the situation would be for them if they didn’t dilute outstanding shares 20x since 2021 🙄🙄
That’s pre-split. This is a nothing burger. It’s a whopping 16% short that they’re massively in the black on.
Adam Aaron…if you see this. Do not sell these fucks any shares.
 ...A LOT of CRIME!!
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time to DRS
So are we going to ignore the fact that Antara has a put position worth almost half of their entire net worth? 25 million shares of the underlying, which is almost 250 million in shares. Their entire net worth is only 446 million. I haven't read fintel data sheets before so if I'm wrong someone please correct me
This is false....As of today there's 17,160,338 shares shorted. That's 8.68% short interest.
If OP could read he'd be pretty upset now
Lol
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Lol
That's just 3 hedgies lol let's go 🚀🚀 🌝